Re: [GNC] Veihicle mileage cost such in HomeBank?

[Christopher Lam]

My solution is to have an Expenses:Mileage account, with an 
unused/obsolete currency, and change its symbol to "km".


I only record business mileage, i.e. description: "travel to client in 
next town", dated 01/05/2018


 * Expenses:Business:Mileage +40km
 * Equity:Mileage -40km

Thus my annual Transaction Report to accountant Expenses:Business:* will 
include aggregate amounts.


For added convenience, the currency can be converted to own currency via 
options, using currency exchange rate = official govt mileage rate, thus 
the $claimable is generated. But I'd keep in original "km" currency for 
clarity.


The disadvantage is it'll mess up net worth.

Thus there's no need to keep a separate spreadsheet.


On 26/08/18 02:32, Riccardo Delpopolo Carciopolo wrote:

Hello Rich,

thank you for the extended explanation!
I think I would end to use a simple spreadsheet as you suggest.

Regards

Il giorno sab 25 ago 2018 alle ore 20:28 Rich Shepard <
rshep...@appl-ecosys.com> ha scritto:


On Sat, 25 Aug 2018, Riccardo Delpopolo Carciopolo wrote:


Thank you for answering, but I could not understand the difference

between

an accounting program and a personal finance management program. I've
successfully used gnucash to track my expenses for some month, but I
really miss a way to track the mileage of my car. Would be nice such
functionality.

Riccardo,

Tracking vehicle milage has nothing to do with finance, bookkeeping, or
accounting. I recommend you use a spreadsheet to track the milage.


Anyway, probably I have to switch to a software that meets my needs.

Your choice. For monetary data GnuCash is outstanding. For other data,
such as vehicle milage, a spreadsheet, database, or plain text file is more
apprpropriate.

Would you consider vehicle milage an asset, expense, liability, or
equity?
If none of the above then it does not belong in financial software any more
than would records of your clothing sizes.

Regards,

Rich
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Re: [GNC] Veihicle mileage cost such in HomeBank?

[Mike or Penny Novack]

On 8/27/2018 10:17 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

I would think it possible to do this in your regular books, with a bit of care.

I would favor using equity accounts only, but I suppose using Income/Expense 
(as you noted are really Equity anyway) is probably easier for many to wrap 
their head around.

The care would come in that you’d need to create new parent accounts of your 
fundamental type choice, and be sure not to include that part of your tree in 
’normal’ reports.

Regards,
Adrien
 Yes, possible, but why? Some relationship? I admit that SOME possible 
mileage categories would have relationship to taxes,  but not others.


I realize that lots of folks here are keeping multiple currencies in a 
single book.


Just strikes me as error prone and a last resort thing to do.

Michael
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Re: [GNC] Veihicle mileage cost such in HomeBank?

[Adrien Monteleone]

I would think it possible to do this in your regular books, with a bit of care.

I would favor using equity accounts only, but I suppose using Income/Expense 
(as you noted are really Equity anyway) is probably easier for many to wrap 
their head around.

The care would come in that you’d need to create new parent accounts of your 
fundamental type choice, and be sure not to include that part of your tree in 
’normal’ reports.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Aug 25, 2018, at 5:16 PM, Mike or Penny Novack 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 8/25/2018 2:32 PM, Riccardo Delpopolo Carciopolo wrote:
>> Hello Rich,
>> 
>> thank you for the extended explanation!
>> I think I would end to use a simple spreadsheet as you suggest.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
> HOWEVER (since this might be useful for others)
> 
> I use a spreadsheet for mileage since we want to be able to have totals by 
> category. Medical and non-profit for taxes and we track civic and political 
> too just to see how much driving we do for those. That few number of columns 
> easy to do/print from a spread sheet.
> 
> In spite of the fact that gnucash is an accounting package, this could 
> provide a simple example of using  "virtual books". Imagine for just a moment 
> that there was a country whose currency was "miles". You could set up a very 
> funny partial set of books. Instead of fundamental types asset, liability, 
> equity, income, and expense suppose you did away with all but income and 
> expense (technically those are of fundamental type equity). Under Income 
> would be just a single account called "total miles". Under Expense would be 
> an account for each mileage category you wanted to track plus one 
> miscellaneous for other trips. The only report you would run would be the 
> income statement. Your transactions are just total miles (income) allocated 
> to the category (expense) << a single trip MIGHT need a split if for more 
> than one purpose >>
> 
> If you only have a few categories, I'd use a spread sheet. But those can be 
> annoying when MANY columns wide. Let's suppose that you did contracting jobs, 
> perhaps a dozen or two every year, or even more. And suppose each of these 
> had mileage associated with it. And suppose you wanted to track all of this 
> << see how much mileage for each job" >>  Now using gnucash in the "funny" 
> way might seem attractive.
> 
> Michael
> 
> Michael D Novack
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Re: [GNC] Veihicle mileage cost such in HomeBank?

[Mike or Penny Novack]

On 8/25/2018 2:32 PM, Riccardo Delpopolo Carciopolo wrote:

Hello Rich,

thank you for the extended explanation!
I think I would end to use a simple spreadsheet as you suggest.

Regards


HOWEVER (since this might be useful for others)

I use a spreadsheet for mileage since we want to be able to have totals 
by category. Medical and non-profit for taxes and we track civic and 
political too just to see how much driving we do for those. That few 
number of columns easy to do/print from a spread sheet.


In spite of the fact that gnucash is an accounting package, this could 
provide a simple example of using  "virtual books". Imagine for just a 
moment that there was a country whose currency was "miles". You could 
set up a very funny partial set of books. Instead of fundamental types 
asset, liability, equity, income, and expense suppose you did away with 
all but income and expense (technically those are of fundamental type 
equity). Under Income would be just a single account called "total 
miles". Under Expense would be an account for each mileage category you 
wanted to track plus one miscellaneous for other trips. The only report 
you would run would be the income statement. Your transactions are just 
total miles (income) allocated to the category (expense) << a single 
trip MIGHT need a split if for more than one purpose >>


If you only have a few categories, I'd use a spread sheet. But those can 
be annoying when MANY columns wide. Let's suppose that you did 
contracting jobs, perhaps a dozen or two every year, or even more. And 
suppose each of these had mileage associated with it. And suppose you 
wanted to track all of this << see how much mileage for each job" >>  
Now using gnucash in the "funny" way might seem attractive.


Michael

Michael D Novack

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Re: [GNC] Veihicle mileage cost such in HomeBank?

[John Ralls]

LibreOffice is free as in liberty, being released under the Mozilla Public 
License. Its grandfather, StarOffice, was free as in beer having had a 
look-but-don’t-touch license; Sun Microsystems (now part of Oracle) bought it 
and released it as OpenOffice under the LGPL. OpenOffice is now  under the 
Apache Foundation umbrella and uses the Apache license.

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Aug 25, 2018, at 11:41 AM, Rich Shepard  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 25 Aug 2018, Riccardo Delpopolo Carciopolo wrote:
> 
>> thank you for the extended explanation!
>> I think I would end to use a simple spreadsheet as you suggest.
> 
> Riccardo,
> 
>  It is common for users to not be aware of the appropriate tool for a
> specific task. The choices can be overwhelming and there seem to be few
> guidelines on what to use.
> 
>  The LibreOffice suite has an excellent spreadsheet (called Calc) and the
> application is completely free (as in beer) because it's open source
> software. Runs on linux, OSX, and Windows .
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Rich
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Re: [GNC] Veihicle mileage cost such in HomeBank?

[Mike Reinehr]

My favorite Android app for this is Fuelio. In addition to mileage 
tracking it also can import/export csv files so it's easy to use a 
spreadsheet.


HTH


On 08/25/2018 01:53 PM, George Riner wrote:

There is a very nice app in the Google play store for tracking mileage . It's 
called aCar.


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On August 25, 2018 11:41:29 AM PDT, Rich Shepard  
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Aug 2018, Riccardo Delpopolo Carciopolo wrote:


thank you for the extended explanation!
I think I would end to use a simple spreadsheet as you suggest.

Riccardo,

   It is common for users to not be aware of the appropriate tool for a
specific task. The choices can be overwhelming and there seem to be few
guidelines on what to use.

The LibreOffice suite has an excellent spreadsheet (called Calc) and
the
application is completely free (as in beer) because it's open source
software. Runs on linux, OSX, and Windows
.

Best regards,

Rich
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Re: [GNC] Veihicle mileage cost such in HomeBank?

[George Riner]

There is a very nice app in the Google play store for tracking mileage . It's 
called aCar.


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On August 25, 2018 11:41:29 AM PDT, Rich Shepard  
wrote:
>On Sat, 25 Aug 2018, Riccardo Delpopolo Carciopolo wrote:
>
>> thank you for the extended explanation!
>> I think I would end to use a simple spreadsheet as you suggest.
>
>Riccardo,
>
>   It is common for users to not be aware of the appropriate tool for a
>specific task. The choices can be overwhelming and there seem to be few
>guidelines on what to use.
>
>The LibreOffice suite has an excellent spreadsheet (called Calc) and
>the
>application is completely free (as in beer) because it's open source
>software. Runs on linux, OSX, and Windows
>.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Rich
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Re: [GNC] Veihicle mileage cost such in HomeBank?

[Rich Shepard]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2018, Riccardo Delpopolo Carciopolo wrote:


thank you for the extended explanation!
I think I would end to use a simple spreadsheet as you suggest.


Riccardo,

  It is common for users to not be aware of the appropriate tool for a
specific task. The choices can be overwhelming and there seem to be few
guidelines on what to use.

  The LibreOffice suite has an excellent spreadsheet (called Calc) and the
application is completely free (as in beer) because it's open source
software. Runs on linux, OSX, and Windows .

Best regards,

Rich
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Re: [GNC] Veihicle mileage cost such in HomeBank?

[Riccardo Delpopolo Carciopolo]

Hello Rich,

thank you for the extended explanation!
I think I would end to use a simple spreadsheet as you suggest.

Regards

Il giorno sab 25 ago 2018 alle ore 20:28 Rich Shepard <
rshep...@appl-ecosys.com> ha scritto:

> On Sat, 25 Aug 2018, Riccardo Delpopolo Carciopolo wrote:
>
> > Thank you for answering, but I could not understand the difference
> between
> > an accounting program and a personal finance management program. I've
> > successfully used gnucash to track my expenses for some month, but I
> > really miss a way to track the mileage of my car. Would be nice such
> > functionality.
>
> Riccardo,
>
>Tracking vehicle milage has nothing to do with finance, bookkeeping, or
> accounting. I recommend you use a spreadsheet to track the milage.
>
> > Anyway, probably I have to switch to a software that meets my needs.
>
>Your choice. For monetary data GnuCash is outstanding. For other data,
> such as vehicle milage, a spreadsheet, database, or plain text file is more
> apprpropriate.
>
>Would you consider vehicle milage an asset, expense, liability, or
> equity?
> If none of the above then it does not belong in financial software any more
> than would records of your clothing sizes.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rich
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Re: [GNC] Veihicle mileage cost such in HomeBank?

[Rich Shepard]

On Sat, 25 Aug 2018, Riccardo Delpopolo Carciopolo wrote:


Thank you for answering, but I could not understand the difference between
an accounting program and a personal finance management program. I've
successfully used gnucash to track my expenses for some month, but I
really miss a way to track the mileage of my car. Would be nice such
functionality.


Riccardo,

  Tracking vehicle milage has nothing to do with finance, bookkeeping, or
accounting. I recommend you use a spreadsheet to track the milage.


Anyway, probably I have to switch to a software that meets my needs.


  Your choice. For monetary data GnuCash is outstanding. For other data,
such as vehicle milage, a spreadsheet, database, or plain text file is more
apprpropriate.

  Would you consider vehicle milage an asset, expense, liability, or equity?
If none of the above then it does not belong in financial software any more
than would records of your clothing sizes.

Regards,

Rich
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Re: [GNC] Veihicle mileage cost such in HomeBank?

[Riccardo Delpopolo Carciopolo]

Thank you for answering, but I could not understand the difference between
an accounting program and a personal finance management program.
I've successfully used gnucash to track my expenses for some month, but I
really miss a way to track the mileage of my car.
Would be nice such functionality.

Anyway, probably I have to switch to a software that meets my needs.

Regards

Il giorno sab 25 ago 2018 alle ore 19:28 John Ralls  ha
scritto:

>
>
> > On Aug 25, 2018, at 8:38 AM, Riccardo Delpopolo Carciopolo <
> rdelpop...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I cannot find a function to track the mileage of my car such in HomeBank:
> > http://homebank.free.fr/help/use-vehiclecost.html
> > Do you have any suggestion to obtain the same behaviour?
>
> No. GnuCash is an accounting program, not a personal finance management
> program.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Veihicle mileage cost such in HomeBank?

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> On Aug 25, 2018, at 8:38 AM, Riccardo Delpopolo Carciopolo 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I cannot find a function to track the mileage of my car such in HomeBank:
> http://homebank.free.fr/help/use-vehiclecost.html
> Do you have any suggestion to obtain the same behaviour?

No. GnuCash is an accounting program, not a personal finance management program.

Regards,
John Ralls

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