Re: New to Gnumeric -- attempting to plot data

[Adrian Custer via gnumeric-list]

On 2/25/20 11:05 AM, Jean Brefort wrote:
...
> Welcome to Gnumeric.


Yeah, welcome.

1) Select A30:A65
2) Hold , select C30:C65
3) Click the graph icon,
=> should give you a plot of type "XY" in a preview window

4) click insert
5) Select an area of the worksheet (click-drag-release)
=> should give you a plot on the worksheet

6) Right click on the plot, select "Properties" from the pop-up menu
=> gives you a "customize chart" window

This is a little complex: At the top left, there is a tree of elements 
in your chart, you can navigate it and add or remove elements to the 
tree. Top right, is a preview; bottom, allows you to modify the 
currently selected element.


Off the top of my head, I don't know how to get the labels you want. 
Best play around for a while to get a feel for it. Be patient, it's not 
intuitive because it is trying to do something complex and has its own 
vocabulary for all the elements.


good luck,
  ~adrian





Look at section 3.10 (Graphing).

The fast way to plot your data is to select both ranges and click on
the graph button (left to the zoom tool button). Next, you choose the
plot type, default being scatter plot, and you can use the dialog to
customize your plot.

Hope this helps,
Jean

Le mardi 25 février 2020 à 06:52 -0600, Richard Owlett a écrit :

Although I used spreadsheets back in days of CPM/80 and WinXP,
I've not used any in *DECADES*.
My OS is Debian Stretch (9.8).
The version of gnumeric is 1.12.32 .

I wish to plot the data in C30:C65 against the data in A30:A65.
I wish the labels on the x-axis to run from the value in A30 to
the value in A65.

I do not find the manual at
https://help.gnome.org/users/gnumeric/stable/gnumeric.html
very helpful.

Help please.
TIA

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Re: Contributing to Gnumeric

[Adrian Custer via gnumeric-list]

Hello Dan,

Gnumeric is mostly in maintenance mode these days, so there is little 
writing going on, either on the web site or for the documentation. If 
you are looking to join a vibrant community, I suggest you look to other 
efforts within GNOME. You might look here:

  https://wiki.gnome.org/DocumentationProject/Contributing


If you are interested, in particular, to work on the Gnumeric 
spreadsheet, then we could talk about your specific interests to see 
what would be the most fun for you to work on. Let us know what 
motivates you in particular: e.g. presenting user interfaces, explaining 
workflows, presenting complex analysis. The documentation is in 
particular need of:

  1) being updated to the latest releases
  2) including a deep explanation of the spreadsheet native addressing
 scheme: R#C#
The former involves redoing most of the screenshots, the latter requires 
a deep understanding of spreadsheets.


cheers,
  ~adrian

On 2/19/19 8:03 AM, Dan Fries wrote:

Dear Gnumeric,

I hope you do not mind me contacting you directly, as I was given your 
email by a colleague. My name is Dan Fries, and I am a technical 
copywriter focused covering the open source software community.


I'm reaching out to you today in the hopes of writing for Gnumeric. Is 
there any availability to contribute to the site as a guest author? I'm 
not seeking employment nor remuneration, only volunteer work.


Thanks for your time and consideration.

Dan

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Trivial patch for gnumeric-web

[Adrian Custer]

Hey Morten, all,


Attached is a trivial patch dropping some more links to bugzilla from 
the gnumeric-web project.


Also, what I assume is a typo in the announcement for 1.12.41 (was .40)


cheers,
  ~adrian
diff --git a/development.html b/development.html
index bf6b21e..6313086 100644
--- a/development.html
+++ b/development.html
@@ -66,11 +66,9 @@
 
   Bugs
   
-https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=Gnumeric&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=REOPENED";>Open Gnumeric Bugs
-https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=libgoffice&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=REOPENED";>Open Goffice Bugs
-https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=libgsf&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=REOPENED";>Open Libgsf Bugs
-	https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?changedin=0%2C1%2C2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C7&product=Gnumeric";>Recent Gnumeric Bugs
-	https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Gnumeric";>Report Gnumeric Bug
+https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnumeric/issues";>Gnumeric Bugs
+https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/goffice/issues";>Goffice Bugs
+https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/libgsf/issues";>Libgsf Bugs
   
 
   Past Releases
diff --git a/gnumeric-web.doap b/gnumeric-web.doap
index 6613158..194704d 100644
--- a/gnumeric-web.doap
+++ b/gnumeric-web.doap
@@ -9,7 +9,7 @@
   http://www.gnumeric.org/"; />
   http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnumeric-list"; />
   http://download.gnome.org/sources/gnumeric/"; />
-  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=gnumeric"; />
+  https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnumeric/issues"; />
 
   http://api.gnome.org/doap-extensions#infrastructure"; />
 
diff --git a/index.html b/index.html
index a149244..a1a6860 100644
--- a/index.html
+++ b/index.html
@@ -58,7 +58,7 @@
 	  Gnumeric 1.12.41
 	
 	Gnumeric
-	1.12.40 is out.  Get it
+	1.12.41 is out.  Get it
 	from here!
   
   
@@ -97,7 +97,7 @@
 	https://help.gnome.org/users/gnumeric/stable/gnumeric.html";>User's Manual
 Download Gnumeric
 https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnumeric-list";>Mailing List
-https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Gnumeric";>Report a Bug
+https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnumeric/issues";>Report a Bug
 Frequently Asked Qs
   
 
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Re: How to prevent Gnumeric from overwriting the same file by different gnumeric instances

[Adrian Custer]

On 03/25/2018 04:54 PM, Morten Welinder wrote:

The next version of Gnumeric will verify that the time stamp has the expected
value before overwriting.

Morten


Thanks Morten for the improvement!

~adrian
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Re: Gnumeric on Mac OS X

[Adrian Custer]

Hello Giorgio,

on mac, I end up using homebrew to install gnumeric and all its 
dependencies. The version is 1.12.33 currently.


perhaps that helps,
  ~adrian


On 3/4/17 14:07, Giorgio Pioda wrote:

Hi Rick,

I have some pupils interested in the OS X version. Is there
any news from the front? Apparently the link is not reachable
any more.

TIA

Giorgio

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 08:03:50AM -0700, M-Rick wrote:

I updated to Gnumeric 1.12.32 and modified the build path.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mwflru54i7tdov7/Gnumeric-1.12.32.7z
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hi088mmhks9kmy7/gnumeric.sh


https://www.dropbox.com/s/s5hm2ae8a40b6qg/Gnumeric-databases-1.12.32.7z
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2ryuo0vn9gy93e5/gnumeric-databases.sh





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Re: Gnumeric on Mac OS X

[Adrian Custer]

Hello,

Congratulations on all the hard work!


It would be great to have a 'native' Gnumeric on mac OS X, even though 
it exists on mac as non-native. (I use the homebrew version.)


 Warning: Merely attempting for the fun of it, I do *not* have
 any of the macports dependencies you mention.
With no surprise, the executable fails to load here. Launching from the 
command-line, I get:


galet:~ acuster$ 
/Users/acuster/Downloads/Gnumeric.app/Contents/MacOS/gnumeric ; exit;

dyld: Library not loaded: /tmp/skl/Gnumeric/lib/libz.1.dylib
  Referenced from: /tmp/skl/Gnumeric/lib/libgoffice-0.10.10.dylib
  Reason: no suitable image found.  Did find:
/tmp/skl/Gnumeric/lib/libz.1.dylib: file too short

/Users/acuster/Downloads/Gnumeric.app/Contents/Resources/lib/libz.1.dylib: file 
too short
/Users/acuster/Downloads/Gnumeric.app/Contents/Resources/bin/gnumeric: 
line 1:   718 Trace/BPT trap: 5   gnumeric-1.12.31

logout

Not sure that helps, since it seems merely to confirm that I do not have 
the right dependencies on the path you constructed: /tmp/skl/...


I'll try playing around with your script when I have more time.

cheers,
  ~adrian


On 8/17/16 6:05 PM, M-Rick wrote:

Hi

I succeeded in packaging Gnumeric as a Mac OS X native application.
It has been built upon MacPorts libraries. I compile it inside the /tmp
exotic path, allowing me to make the executable running from any
location. I rewrote totally the shell script launching the application.
It works roughly well and it has support for Pure and databases
(Berkeley DB, MySQL, PostgreSQL, SQLCipher, SQLite, Web). It has Mac OS
X native help support, but it is lacking of a native Mac OS X
integration, such as global menus and shortcuts keys.
I am working thoroughly on it because it is a fast and powerful
spreadsheet with great features all inside a simple GUI.
Despite those imperfections, I am certain some will be interested by it.
If you're interested in trying it out, or to improve it, the package can
be downloaded there:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mwflru54i7tdov7/Gnumeric-1.12.31.7z

Aymeric

*Gnumeric 1.12.31 - About*
http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq28/M-Rick/Capture%20drsquoeacutecran%202016-08-12%20agrave%2013.39.07_zpskm8awfqv.png

*Gnumeric 1.12.31 - Spreadsheet and chart*
http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq28/M-Rick/Capture%20drsquoeacutecran%202016-08-12%20agrave%2013.38.55_zps1deprli3.png

*Gnumeric 1.12.31 - Databases support with GDA (Berkeley DB, MySQL,
PostgreSQL, SQLCipher, SQLite, Web)*
http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq28/M-Rick/Capture%20drsquoeacutecran%202016-08-14%20agrave%2016.07.37_zpsn8hojdih.png

*Gnumeric 1.12.31 - GDA's configuration window (Gnome Database Access)*
http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq28/M-Rick/Capture%20drsquoeacutecran%202016-08-12%20agrave%2013.39.18_zpsu1p8fezq.png

*Gnumeric 1.12.31 - Native Mac OS X Help integration*
http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq28/M-Rick/Capture%20drsquoeacutecran%202016-08-14%20agrave%2010.05.59_zpstwrd0qwm.png





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Re: How to have correct citation of gnumeric

[Adrian Custer]

On 1/29/16 11:01 PM, David Benfell wrote:

As I'm understanding Gabriela, Tim is right. She needs the information
for a citation for Gnumeric itself. She supplied the corresponding
information for R to illustrate what she needs (and in a citation style
that I'm personally unfamiliar with).


Yes, that seems to be the original request.



Since there is no formally published document describing the Gnumeric 
project, I would suggest the following:


Author:  The Gnome Project.
Title:   "The Gnumeric Spreadsheet: Free, Fast, Accurate --- pick any
  three"
URL: http://www.gnumeric.org
Date:~release date of version used~
Version: ~this should be included for any scientific work~

So you would end up with:

\bold{The Gnome Project} \it{The Gnumeric Spreadsheet: Free, Fast, 
Accurate --- pick any three}, version 1.12.26, 
\texttt{http://www.gnumeric.org} 2015.


or some such; the formatting will depend on the place the citation is 
published since usually each publisher or university imposes its own 
formatting rules.


Does that sound reasonable to everyone?




I think what she is most likely missing is an author or organization
that is responsible for Gnumeric and another one that publishes it. As I
was looking around in her response to her question, I think the Gnome
Foundation (if I'm remembering the name right) might be listed as a
publisher; sometimes this can also be used in place of the author.


Absolutely not!

The Gnome Foundation was not alive when the majority of the work on 
Gnumeric was done. Also, as a historical aside, the "Gnome Project" was 
guaranteed, when the foundation was formed, that the foundation would 
not *become* the project but merely provide legal, financial, and 
organizational support to the project. Despite the warnings from those 
of us against the formation of the foundation, the foundation 
immediately started changing the vision of itself to the point that the 
project and the foundation are now confused.



Hope that helps,
  ~adrian

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Re: need assistance please

[Adrian Custer]

On 1/17/16 2:14 PM, Kathy Groves wrote:

What is wrong with this formula
I am trying to total several columns

   =sum(B4:B134)


Hello,

The columns are the letters, the rows are the numbers so the pattern for 
the selection of a block of cells is:


  [Left column letter] [top row number]
:
[Right columnl letter] [bottom row number]


(sorry, it's too wide for a single line on my editor, but imagine it 
that way.


Hope that helps you a bit,

  ~adrian











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Re: Gnumeric in Mac OSX Yosemite

[Adrian Custer]

On 9/30/15 6:06 AM, Sayantani Chatterjee wrote:

Hi,
I am recently using Mac OS, before it I was using Windows. So it's little
difficult for me to install gnumeric. Can any one help me, how can I
install gnumeric in Mac?
Thank you in advance.
Sayantani



Hello,

Glad you are finding gnumeric cool; welcome to Mac OS X!


Unfortunately, there is no stand-alone binary of gnumeric for os x. 
There are very few GNOME apps that run that way on os x. Gedit recently 
fought through all the issues to obtain a native build but few other 
apps have gotten there.



One way to run gnumeric on mac is using the 'Homebrew' system. 
Volunteers write and maintain 'recipes' that allow various unix programs 
to compile themselves (by default into /usr/local/) along with all their 
dependencies. After you install homebrew (see the website, I do not 
remember what I did), you can do:


brew install gnumeric

then, later,

brew update  <- gets the new recipes
brew upgrade <- builds the newest version of everything

which will allow you to run gnumeric by opening a terminal and running 
the command:


gnumeric &

I also somehow got a gnumeric icon into my dock that launches the 
terminal and the command automatically.



Remember to switch to using 'Ctrl-*' rather than 'Command-*' for all the 
common operations like cut, copy, paste.



good luck,
  ~adrian
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Re: manual with all of the charting modules

[Adrian Custer]

Hey,

Hope you are having fun with Gnumeric.

The manual is in a sorry state. We did massive work writing it many 
years ago but, since then, little has been done to maintain it. While 
the manual says version 1.12, that is merely because the version number 
is automatically updated on release; most of the content and screenshots 
come from a much earlier version. Also, because the manual is quite 
large, it is often omitted from being installed or comes in a separate 
package and, under windows, I am not sure the automatic links ever 
worked correctly.


I am not sure of the state of Pivot tables in Gnumeric 1.12. However, 
they did not exist when the manual was last seriously updated so it is 
likely that they are not discussed at all in the manual even if they do 
exist.


Sorry about the state of disarray. I've been meaning for years to spend 
a week or so bringing things up to date, at least enough to make clear 
when topics are missing. However, somehow I never get around to it.


cheers,
  ~adrian


On 2/26/15 9:16 AM, ftr wrote:

Hi,

Working with gnumeric 1.12 under windows I look for a manual that
explains all of the charting modules, in particular matrix, statistics
plots, contour plot.

I found a manual for version 1.12 :
https://help.gnome.org/users/gnumeric/stable/sect-graphs-overview-types.html.en#sect-graphs-overview-types-statistics

but it does not treat all of the charting modules that version 1.12
runs  (work in progress).
In my French version a matrix plot is shown between the contour and the
min-max plot. The Aide button links to the error message "topic
chapter-graphs not found".
Where can I get a manual ?

Second question: What do you get with Data > table ? I guess it is
something like a pivot table in Libreoffice ? I look for its equivalent
in gnumeric.
I did not find an entry in the help, so any hint would be appreciated.

TIA
ftr


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Re: Protecting Cells from accidental change

[Adrian Custer]

A quick follow up:

On 9/15/14 1:34 PM, Adrian Custer wrote:

So if one wants to protect certain cells in a worksheet, does one
actually have to:
  1. Unset the 'lock' flag on all editable cells
  2. Set the 'protect' flag on the worksheet
or is something else going on? If so, cell 'lock' is really, the
reverse. Cells start as 'locked when worksheet protected' and, under
active user intervention, can be switched to 'allow editing even when
worksheet protected'. Is that a fair summary?



This logic works for a cell, though the steps to perform this do not. I 
would expect to be able to do


1) New Gnumeric
2) Select A1:D10
3) Format > Cells > Format...
=> Dialog opens
4) Switch to 'protect' tab
5) Unselect the clicked 'lock' checkbox
=> attemtping to make those editable
6) Select the workbook protection checkbox
7) Click OK
=> Error appears

which may simply be an order bug, that all cell format changes need to 
be applied before workbook protection. Trying the same sequence as


...
6) Click Apply
7) Select the workbook protection checkbox
8) Click OK

seems to behave as expected.

cheers,
  ~adrian
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Re: Protecting Cells from accidental change

[Adrian Custer]

Oh, the poor outdated docs...

Looking into this issue, I can see there is work to do. First, Gnumeric 
has improved---fantastic! Second, the documentation of this issue was 
never complete to begin with, probably because of confusion as much as 
lack of time.


But first some questions. The Excel documentation:

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/overview-of-security-and-protection-in-excel-HP005238854.aspx

discusses three levels of 'protection':
 1. Workbook
 2. Worksheet
 3. Cell
the first of which seems, due to encrypting the contents, to be some 
source of securing rather than merely protecting. The other two are 
really about simple protection rather than formal security.




In Gnumeric, Workbook protection can be done in the
View Menu > View Properties... > Protection
setting, where a simple checkbox allows 'protecting' the whole workbook. 
While version 1.10.17 (the latest that I have working on Mac) has a 
password field, I see no way to make it active. Am I right that it does 
not work? If so, I take it that workbook protection in Gnumeric acts 
like 'protection' and not securing the file.


Worksheet protection can apparently be done in several ways:
 1. In the context menu on the worksheet tab there is a 'lock' icon
that can be toggled on and off
 2. The same dialog can be reached from the 'Format' > 'Sheet' menu
entry
 3. In the cell formating dialog, there is a checkbox 'protect
workbook' reached by the 'Format' > 'Cells' > 'Format...' entry
which appear to toggle the same preference since they alter each other.

Both of those work as I expect, after locking, edit attempts pop up a 
new error window.


Cell protection, however, has some complex interplay with worksheet 
protection that I am not sure I fully understand. It seems that cell 
protection is a dual:

 * set 'protect' flag on worksheet
 * set 'lock' flat on cell
and that ultimately there is no 'worksheet' protection. Indeed, it seems 
that all cells have the 'lock' flag set by default!? I take it that is 
merely to make the 'worksheet protection' work as expected even if it 
makes the cell protection upside down.


So if one wants to protect certain cells in a worksheet, does one 
actually have to:

 1. Unset the 'lock' flag on all editable cells
 2. Set the 'protect' flag on the worksheet
or is something else going on? If so, cell 'lock' is really, the 
reverse. Cells start as 'locked when worksheet protected' and, under 
active user intervention, can be switched to 'allow editing even when 
worksheet protected'. Is that a fair summary?


Answers and clarification would be appreciated.

cheers,
  ~adrian



On 9/13/14 4:32 AM, Steve Greig wrote:

Thanks to all for information and ideas. The documentation was a little
misleading on that point and I have now achieved the main thing I want
which is to be able to protect the work I have done but leave remaining
rows unprotected so I can easily add new data. I will only have to
temporarily unprotect the sheet to correct mistakes. Automatically
protecting cells that I have entered information into would be nice as then
I would not have to protect them for example at the end of each session of
data entry and also they would be protected during that session. I was
wondering if the protection could be applied to cells on the condition that
they were not empty.

Michael, I will play around with that idea. It does sound complicated but
might be useful in some situations.

Best wishes Steve

On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Michael Uplawski <
michael.uplaw...@uplawski.eu> wrote:


Good morning,

I have a suggestion, but it may not be applicable to a Gnumeric table
which is already in use or has evolved past the stage, where
modifications are easy.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 09:35:04PM +0100, Steve Greig wrote:


My question is what is the best way for me to make certain cells less

subject

to accidental changes in future? It looks like gnumeric does not have a

cell

protection function but I was wondering if some validation might be

applied

which would make the cell(s) protected. The protection would need to

allow the

results of formulae in the cells to change but not the formulae

themselves.

I suggest that the formulae which are usually there to calculate
“results”, be it intermediate results, are accumulated in one table
(“sheet”) and the original data, which you may wish to adapt or complete
frequently, stay on a different sheet, where they are looked up in your
“results-table”. This way, you can easily protect the whole sheet, which
protects securely your formula without impeding calculations on new
values.


Would it be possible for every cell I have entered something into to then
automatically be weakly protected ie. if the value is changed a pop up

could

say 'do you really want to change the value of this cell'?


If you use the existing protection on whole sheets, a message-box is
already generated each time, that you try to alter cell-content.

Che

Re: Discontinuing Windows Builds

[Adrian Custer]

On 8/24/14 11:42 PM, Morten Welinder wrote:

I have decided to stop releasing and distributing Windows binaries of Gnumeric.

The main reason is that I am uncomfortable with crash reports I see --
crashes that are unlikely to be the fault of Gnumeric, but rather
something in Gtk+ and lower.  I haven't observed these crashes myself
(not that I use the Windows builds much) thus making it very hard for
me to debug.

A side reason is that no-one in the Windows world has ever stepped
forward with skill and time.  I really have very little out of
creating these binaries, so unless it mostly can take care of itself
then I am not terribly interested.

Volunteers are welcome to pick up where I left it.  All source code
and build scripts needed are in the git repository.  This is not for
the faint of heart.

Morten
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Hey Morten,

Thanks for the windows builds you did create over the past years. On 
occasion, they did help me help others: when confronted with other 
user's windows machines and once, via WINE, on a Mac. There's something 
to be said for the single file format of distribution where all 
dependencies are bundled in---heavy but particularly effective and 
noninvasive.


Anyhow, thanks again,
  ~adrian
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Re: Is Gnome associated with Gnumeric

[Adrian Custer]

Hello,

thrilled you like Gnumeric!

If you are running on windows, I think Morten just released a new 
version for that so you might be able to run the latest and greatest. It 
seems to be here:

  https://people.gnome.org/~mortenw/gnumeric/
with the latest ...1.12.12.2014... You might try running that.



Your confusion about the status of Gnumeric in Gnome is justified. 
Gnumeric is definately part of the larger Gnome Project, but is not part 
of the Gnome Desktop. Gnumeric is part of something loosely called 
'Gnome Office' and is run under the Gnome umbrella. However, since it is 
not strictly needed, Gnumeric is not part of the 'Gnome Desktop'.


Gnumeric was started by some of the folk who started the Gnome project, 
at around the same time, using the same technologies. Gnumeric has been 
a testing ground for a lot of the Gtk and Gnome technologies since then. 
However, Gnome proper is merely the desktop.




As far as donations are concerned, you should wait to hear from others 
on this list. There may be a way to give money directly to the project 
although that may be hard since there is, as you saw, no current way of 
doing this. If you don't hear a better suggestion in the near future, 
you could give your contribution to the Gnome project since that does 
provide resources and is the overarching project. Thanks for your 
generosity and support!


keep on gnomin',
  ~adrian


On 3/14/14, 12:29 AM, LK McGraw wrote:

Okay, I'm thoroughly confused.

I don't know what the purpose of gnumeric-list@gnome.org is. It appears to
be a subscription to a list of some kind. It is the only contact Email
address I can find to "gnome.org".

However, I don't know if "gnome.org" is who I want to contact.

A few weeks I discovered a great Windows spreadsheet called "Gnumeric".  I
like Gnumeric and I want to make a USD contribution to support Gnumeric
development. I can't find anywhere on the Gnumeric website where a
contribution can be made.

I discovered a possible association between Gnumeric and Gnome. But, whereas
the Gnome website does list some of its applications, I can't find a firm
link between Gnumeric and Gnome.

If Gnome has nothing to do with the Gnumeric spreadsheet, please accept my
apology for misusing your Email address.

If Gnome is the home of Gnumeric, could someone please tell me how I can
make a modest personal donation to support Gnumeric development.

Regards,

George Harnett


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Re: Win32 Build Available

[Adrian Custer]

On 10/18/13 1:17 AM, Morten Welinder wrote:

I have put a link to an experimental Win32 build of the latest stable Gnumeric
release on the Gnumeric home page: https://projects.gnome.org/gnumeric/

At this point this is for testing only.  Problems should be report on
the regular bug
system https://bugzilla.gnome.org/.  As a reminder, we have little
Win32 expertise
on the team, so please avoid Windows-specific wishlist-level items.

If serious problems turn up I'll remove the build.

Morten Welinder


Thanks Morten,

I know this a frequently requested feature.

It also seems to work fine on Mac OS X! I just installed it via Wine 
(WineBottler) and every thing looks reasonable at first glance!


cheers,
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Re: Install problem

[Adrian Custer]

On 5/10/13 3:50 PM, Rosa Malagisi wrote:

Toshiba Satellite and Windows 7 --- do I need to be more specific?


No that's great; but you should have done a "reply to all" on my 
previous mail and sent your response to the list for all to see. You'll 
know for next time.


According to the download page:

  http://projects.gnome.org/gnumeric/downloads.shtml

version 1.10.16 is the latest available for windows. The issue comes 
from limitations in how Gnumeric is built. It is close to being able to 
build, as is, for Windows but not quite there yet. The version 1.10.16 
was the last one that was carefully rebuilt for windows.


Lots of people want this though; it should change in the future.

cheers,
  adrian








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Subject: Re: Install problem


Hey Rosa,

Unfortunately getting Gnumeric into your hands is a *hard* step.

What kind of computer do you have and what kind of operating system to
you use (windows, mac, linux...)? That is critical to seeing if there is
a newer version available for you and giving you advice.

cheers,
~adrian

On 5/9/13 5:11 AM, Rosa Malagisi wrote:

I don't know how else to email you and I had a question- how do I update to the 
most current version which is 12? I still have one of the 10.16
there isn't any update check option within the program and it's not showing as 
needing to be updated in my update scan programs. I also can't figure out what 
I'm supposed to do with the links you have on the site because none of the zip 
file programs will open it for me.
can you please help me with this?



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Re: Install problem

[Adrian Custer]

Hey Rosa,

Unfortunately getting Gnumeric into your hands is a *hard* step.

What kind of computer do you have and what kind of operating system to 
you use (windows, mac, linux...)? That is critical to seeing if there is 
a newer version available for you and giving you advice.


cheers,
  ~adrian

On 5/9/13 5:11 AM, Rosa Malagisi wrote:

I don't know how else to email you and I had a question- how do I update to the 
most current version which is 12? I still have one of the 10.16
there isn't any update check option within the program and it's not showing as 
needing to be updated in my update scan programs. I also can't figure out what 
I'm supposed to do with the links you have on the site because none of the zip 
file programs will open it for me.
can you please help me with this?



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Re: Graph, chart, plot

[Adrian Custer]

Hey all,

Marek and David address a useful issue of terminology when creating user 
visible strings. Whatever decision is made should probably get recorded 
into a file in the source tree, say


TERMINOLOGY

or some such. These are the kind of global decisions which ought to be 
shared by all contributors.


keep up the great work everyone,
  ~adrian


On 2/19/13 3:13 AM, David Crosswell wrote:

On 19/02/13 17:28, Marek Černocký wrote:

When translating I'm getting a little confused about the difference
between "Graph", "Chart" (and may be "Plot"). Please can anyone explain
the difference between them.


Hello Marek,

A they are all performance metrics.

A graph is one that measures performance, generally in a simpler way to
a chart, quite often having just the one line describing performance
along two axis. It will usually be referred to as a `line-graph', like this:

http://www.w3.org/2000/08/nba-manual/Overview.html

Whereas charts will usually be in reference to pie charts, like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mammal_species_pie_chart.png

or, perhaps a columnar/bar chart, like this:

http://depositphotos.com/2390174/stock-photo-Business-graph-chart-diagram.html

A plot is the process line drawn by a plotter as it describes a process,
quite often in real time.

All of these terms, as you travel across imaginary lines on maps, may be
used interchangeably, but if you stay with these terms in the way I
describe, you will provide the *inference* that applies to each one,
that most people will understand.

For example:

  * A plotter will create a line graph as it plots the Richter readings
of an earthquake.
  * A line graph will often be referred to as a line chart.


But stick with the terms as I describe them and you'll be understood.
Kind regards,

David.



Regards
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Re: gnumeric man ssconvert : how execute ?

[Adrian Custer]

Hello,

On Thu, 2012-02-23 at 11:00 -0500, Dick Bingham wrote:
> I am interested in converting Quattro pro files to open office-calc
> format. The Gnumeric manual suggests "using" 'man ssconvert '  to read
> the detailed instructions for the conversion.  
> 
> Exactly how do I do this ? do I have to start Gnumeric first ? 



Ah, yes. This is hard if you do not recognize that ssconvert is a
program that is launched from the 'command-line'. Depending on your
operating system, there are different ways to open a 'terminal' or a
'console' where you can issue commands.

One of the commands available on the 'command line' on *NIX operating
systems is the 'man' command which shows you the manual page that you
specify as its argument. If Gnumeric is properly installed there will be
a manual page ('man page') for gnumeric which you can call with 

  man gnumeric

which has some cursory information about gnumeric. Similarly, from the
command line you can issue the command

  man ssconvert

to learn how to use it. 'man pages' usually provide short summaries of
some part of the operating system.  With man pages you can use the space
bar to move down and the 'q' key to quit. 




The synopsis part of the ssconvert manual page on my machine is

SYNOPSIS
   ssconvert [OPTIONS] infile outfile

   ssconvert [OPTIONS] --merge-to outfile infile1 infile2 ...

which suggests you issue the name of the command, any options you choose
(they are explained lower in the page), and the file names. So you would
want to do

  ssconvert --list-exporters

which will give you a list of the supported formats (I am not sure if
Quattro Pro is among them). Then, if it is, you might do

  ssconvert quattroprofilename.ext  office-calcfilename.ods

to convert a quattro pro file into an office-calc file.



But this all starts with getting to a command line, and that requires
you to look up how to do that on your operating system. On windows this
should be possible in the MSDOS shell but I do not know the details.

hope that helps,
  adrian

>  
> Question 2 : Elsewhere I read to the effect that the conversion uses a
> " Quattro Plugin".  How may I acquire this ? Also that python plays a
> role. I am not familiar with that nor its purpose within Gnumeric.
>  
> If I appear dense, please forgive. I have read the Gnumeric Manual; do
> have extensive experience using Quattro Pro ( spreadsheet) and written
> macros linking sheets. While I am amazed at the Mathematical and
> statistical capabilities of Gnumeric, my major interest at this time
> is being able to re-use the capabilities of the Quattro pro files I
> have.
>  
> What have I overlooked ?
>  
> Many thanks for your help and direction.
>  
>  
> 
> 
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Re: DMEDIAN function

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Hello,

Glad to hear of your enthusaism for gnumeric!

The most effective way to ask for enhancements is to file a 'bug' report
on the bugzilla tracking system:
  https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Gnumeric

That way your request gets tracked formally and you get emails when it
gets attention.

cheers,
  ~adrian

On Thu, 2011-12-01 at 17:40 +0100, s...@gmx.de wrote:
> Dear developers,
> 
> please implement a DMEDIAN database function.
> 
> Daverage, Dmax, Dmin are already implemented. Dmedian would come very 
> handy for processing non-normal data (maybe even Dquartile and/or 
> Dpercentile).
> 
> Is this a reasonable request for short/medium term implementation?
> 
> Thank you
> Soeren
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Re: How to contribute to the documentation?

[Adrian Custer]

Hey,

Thanks for your interest working on the docs; they could use as much
love as we can give them.

You start with a hard question re. footnotes. The issue there is that we
certainly don't want to have the example spreadsheets in the distributed
binaries: the documentation is big enough already that it has often been
split into a separate package in the distributions. Instead, example
spreadsheets would probably need to live on the website somewhere. That
raises the issue of where, of how to upload them, and of how to maintain
them over time. So, for now, let's start with simpler things.

Probably, the easiest way to start is to write up two good examples of
use of the inner tool which could be integrated into the documentation
itself. Here is an example of an advanced tutorial in the documentation:
http://projects.gnome.org/gnumeric/doc/sect-advanced-analysis-simulation-intro.shtml
(url probably split up in transit)
Would you feel like writing up something like that? If so, it's fairly
easy to do since there's a lot of existing documentation code to show
how to do things like tables in docbook. 

Another possibility is to start looking at the new GNOME documentation
system which I believe was developed to facilitate the 'tutorial'
approach to software. Unfortunately, I have not looked at the new system
at all and have no idea how it gets integrated into a software package. 

So there's lots of possibilities awaiting only all the hard work
actually necessary to improve the docs,

cheers,
--adrian


On Sat, 2010-04-10 at 13:31 -0700, Lee McKusick wrote:
> Hello gnumeric-list this is Lee McKusick,
> 
>   I would like to contribute to the documentation. 
> 
>   My initial question is:  Could we add footnotes to the user guide that
> link to example spreadsheets? 
> 
>   Or to ask a little more fancy question: Could we create a gallery or
> wiki of function example spreadsheets and task example spreadsheets? Or
> could we simply make links to some of the distribution test files where
> the files are good examples of gnumeric programming?
> 
>   I am a user of Gnumeric and I feel the inner tool could benefit from a
> wider ring of user support. It is a mature piece of software. Mature to
> a user like me means I'd like to see working examples with comments and
> validation tests.  
> 
>   My experience is: I write a blog and I need to graph some data. I need
> to do spherical trig (in degrees) and linear regression and text file
> import and graph export tasks about once every 4 months. 
> 
>   Four months is long enough time passed that I forget stuff like date
> syntax and where is the pi constant. I would use an example spreadsheet
> for ideas on how to audit and verify my programming effort. This is
> where a commented non-trivial function-example spreadsheet would help.  
> 
>   
> 
> 
>   
>   
> 
> 
>
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: An unfortunate discovery

[Adrian Custer]

Thanks,

so what's it called? 'range' something?

--adrian


On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 10:48 -0400, Morten Welinder wrote:
> It's on purpose and slightly useful when the range is a
> defined name.
> 
> Morten

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An unfortunate discovery

[Adrian Custer]

Hey all,

I just stumbled on something (ie Adrian messed up) that surprises me a
little. In a cell I had the formula:
=F71:J71+M71
which evaluated to:
=J71+M71
rather than the calculation I was hoping for:
=sum(F71:J71)+M71
with unfortunate consequences. 

However, I am quite surprised that the first of these is legal.
Actually, playing around a little now, I am even more surprised. If the
calculation is done in F79, one gets a different answer (=F71+M71) than
if the calculation is done in J79 (=J71+M71).

Is this a well known behaviour of spreadsheets which I am only now
discovering? In this case, does this have a name?

cheers,
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Re: Gnumeric 1.9.4 "Greased Weasel"

[Adrian Custer]

Congratulations everyone!


Wonderful to see Gnumeric getting faster and more accurate while staying as
free as ever!


--adrian


So Morten, out of pure curiosity, how didst thou slay the mighty, unresolvable 
 February leap date skip fiasco?



Morten Welinder wrote:
...

Goffice 0.7.3 aka "TBD" is now available.

...

* Morten

...

  o Put the old 29-Feb-1900 problem to rest.

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cheerful statement of the moment

[Adrian Custer]

I love gnumeric!

that is all,
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Re: Another try to get a response

[Adrian Custer]

Hey,

okay, your criticism has been registered. When the volunteers that be 
finally make a formal release for windows, then we can revisit the issue 
of how that release is presented to the not-yet-techno-savy on our page.


Until then, we can discuss until our fingers hurt without getting 
anywhere: i'd rather hurt my fingers on my new guitar strings,


cheers,
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Re: Another try to get a response

[Adrian Custer]

George Dell wrote:

Hello,

I am instructor who regularly starts people on the Gnumeric path.  But there is 
a recurring problem which strikes at the very growth potential of this 
wonderful open-source product.

I want to thank all those who are so dedicated to this project.  It has been a 
boon to my students,  My request here is only my small attempt to make Gnumeric 
more successful!

The problem --
In going to the web page "Getting Gnumeric" the new, excited, but unknowledgeable potential user is confronted with an immediate technospeak problem.  Pushing the "Get Gnumeric Now" produces nothing now.  It produces a confusing explanation of possible sources, but nowhere to just Get Gnumeric.  
The difficulty appears to arise when we consider *what* a user should 
obtain after clicking the button.


Clearly this would need to be specific to the desktop of each user doing 
the clicking. Ideally, for the two dominant closed desktop environments, 
we would have installable artifacts since those users have been trained 
to look for such bundles. For the open desktop systems, user 
expectations are different---most get their software from their 
installer systems, which of course differ greatly from system to system, 
with no common "install gnumeric" command.


Unfortunately, for the closed systems, gnumeric does not have any mac 
bundle and the windows bundle is not yet official but does have a link 
which is perhaps not prominent enough. (Official support for the windows 
port leads to lots of complications, e.g. release specific dependencies 
and systematic handling of the gtk stack.)


For the open systems, we start needing system specific responses.

So yeah, freedom is messy and we may loose the impatient---that's may be 
all right in the long run if you believe, as I do, that freedom is 
contagious,


all the best,
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Re: Simulation Analysis in the User's guide - review needed

[Adrian Custer]

On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 05:26 -0700, Louis Luangkesorn wrote:
> I am with Ray on this.  I suppose that if it is required, I can learn
> how to use character maps and type in U+398 for THETA.  But it is a
> lot more readable to me as the author, who may have to edit the
> docbook source someday, to read Θ or \Theta or even &THgr; in
> the middle of a formula and confirm that the formula matches whatever
> reference I am checking against.  Because reading 'U+398' in the
> middle of a text representation of a formula is pretty meaningless. 
> 
> Is adding a character entity reference to Gnumeric.xml something easy
> or difficult?  Yelp and xmllint seem to take it well.
> 
> Louis

Making an arbitrary decision, let's move the docs to docbook 4.5 so you
can define your pretty equations. We'll assume the rest of the world
will catch up with us eventually.

As for your entity references, it seems like they are already defined
within or by an extension to the docbook system. If you can get it to
work, we'll live with what you did for now. I agree that Θ is more
readable that the unicode point.

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Re: Simulation Analysis in the User's guide - review needed

[Adrian Custer]

On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 11:31 +0200, J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote:
> HTH,

Indeed. Lovely, with it's IP/DNS metaphor. Thank you, --adrian

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Re: Simulation Analysis in the User's guide - review needed

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Hey Louis,

Thanks for keeping at this. As you can see, it takes persistence to land
content into a project as complex as Gnumeric even when the content
itself looks good to go. So kudos for you that you are both willing to
write information and do the follow through to get that integrated. 

On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 09:25 -0700, Louis Luangkesorn wrote:

> So, 2 questions:
> 1.  Is there a possibility of having the docbook version for the
> Gnumeric documentation changed to 4.5?

Traditionally, we have followed Gnome on this since distributions will
guarantee that the stylesheets for the docbook version used by Gnome
will be installed on user machines. As you have seen, I've asked on the
gnome-docs list where this stands today. We'll await their response...

> 2.  Is there a character entity set that includes greek letters
> that can be used?

Wow, I don't even understand the question or the technology. I thought
having UTF-8 was going to get us out of any character/font related
trouble but apparently there's another mechanism for complex fonts.
Someone more knowledgeable that me about xml/docbook is going to have to
answer this.

--adrian
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Re: Simulation Analysis in the User's guide - review needed

[Adrian Custer]

Hey,

Again, thanks for all your work. 


The powers that be will have to think about your example spreadsheet.
I'm not sure how we could handle that: download from the web or
elsewhere.


I just downloaded your xml and ran it through xmllint which generates
lots of errors. It doesn't seem to follow the 4.3 dtd of docbook. 
No declaration for element mathphrase 
Element equation content does not follow the DTD
Element listitem content does not follow the DTD
Element inlineequation content does not follow the DTD
Those seem to be the bulk of the errors. Do you need a more recent
version of the docbook dtd for your chapter? If so, we will need to
check with gnome-docs what version they allow us to use these days. I
need the doc to pass xmllint cleanly to keep the manual manageable given
its size so we need to clean up your code even if we need to sacrifice
readability/elegance. I use:
xmllint \
  --valid /usr/share/xml/docbook/schema/dtd/4.3/docbookx.dtd \
  --noout gnumeric.xml
which happens to be where the 4.3 dtd is on my machine.

Also, if you can set your tab space to 2, your document would conform to
the rest of the manual. XML becomes unmanageable with bigger indents. It
seems that you have not indented some of the lists but I haven't looked
at that in detail yet.

That's all at first glance. I hope I have commit access again to the svn
now so I can bring in your doc when I get it to validate. 

cheers,

--adrian



On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 07:21 -0700, Louis Luangkesorn wrote:
> I have the simulation chapter for the online help just about done
> (comments received, compile in dblatex, xmlto, yelp)
>   
> 
> Question:  I have a sample file that goes with the help chapter (it is
> the working example)
> 1.  Can I have this added to the 'samples' directory?'
> 2.  It is appropriate to refer to the sample file in the chapter?
> 
> Louis
> 
> "Do one thing every day that scares you." – Eleanor Roosevelt
> 
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Re: Simulation Analysis in the User's guide - review needed

[Adrian Custer]

Fantastic!

The best strategy would be to open up a bug report "Doc improvements for
simulation" or some such. Then you can attach your work to that and
anyone who has energy read and comment.

Have a fun two weeks, not too fun though because there's the rest of
married life to follow...

--adrian



On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 08:08 -0700, Louis Luangkesorn wrote:
> I have been working on documentation for the Simulation tool for the
> User's Guide.  It is pretty rough right now, but it needs a technical
> review.  What is here is what I have figured out through trial and
> error, and some diving into the interface and code, but it would
> require a minor miracle for there not to be outright errors in here.
> Is there someone who understands the simulation part of Gnumeric well
> enough to review?  Adrian Custer is aware of this, and the intent is
> for this to be added to the docs when complete.
> 
> It has the following sections:
> 6.5 Simulation Analysis
> 6.5.1 Introduction to Simulation Analysis
> 6.5.2 Setting up Simulation Model
> 6.5.3 Running the Simulation
> 6.5.4 Simulation output
> 6.5.5 Using SIMTABLE
> Currently, there is an OpenOffice.org document, and a Gnumeric
> spreadsheet that was used to create the examples and I can send those
> to whoever reviews this.  As I was learning as I went, the screenshots
> will be redone once the text and example workflow is settled.  I do
> not expect to be touching this again for about 2 weeks (wedding and
> honeymoon!) so there would be time for the review.
> 
> Thank you for your help.
> 
> Louis
> 
> "Do one thing every day that scares you." – Eleanor Roosevelt
> 
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Need explanations for edits to docs

[Adrian Custer]

Hey all, with Ray and Jody in particular,

Over the past years there have been a bunch of minor edits to the docs,
some of which need explanation for me to understand their intent which
is what this email is about.


Ray, 

I see you have once again bumped the DTD version to 4.3 and removed the
commented blocks with the other versions. I had reverted this change way
back in revision 12948 so I'm puzzled to see your change re-appear with
no explanatory comment:
Did you confirm with the upstream doc project that GNOME has
officially moved to version 4.3? 
If not, have you added documentation somewhere that gnumeric is
using a non-standard version of the DTD? 
Are we sure that builds will not break if someone does not have
this particular version of the DTD?
Is this bump required for a particular section or merely because
newer is generally preferable?
I had been jumping back and forth from 4.1.2 (gnome standard) to 4.2 and
4.3 in the hope that GNOME would eventually evolve. I'm not sure how we
decide what version to use.

You did a lot of replacing Gnumeric by &gnum;
but I had come to the opposite conclusion, that &gnum; should be
deprecated in favour of readability. Now all the paragraphs you changed
are wacky. Leaving as is for now but we should reach some consensus on
this.

You changed some file names since they caused problems for your pdf
generation tool chain. Where did you put the instructions for that tool
chain? Can it generate pdf's reliably? Do those get posted somewhere?

Jody,

You added some entity definitions like for — which is defined
already by docbook. Why did you do this? Are you using tools that are
not picking up the docbook defined entities? What validation tool is
failing? For reference, I use:
  xmllint --noout --noent --valid gnumeric.xml
which doesn't complain.


Thanks all, hopefully more questions will follow,
--adrian

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Re: Customize Chart needs love before release

[Adrian Custer]

Hey Emmanuel, all,

Emmanuel, again sorry for coming on so strong. The disappearing charts
reminded me of the old days. You don't know this about me but I arrived
into the Gnumeric project back in the days when computers were vaccum
tubes and Guppi ruled the charting world (I'm thrilled to see a "Guppi"
theme whatever that may mean). I spent a lot of time, back in the day,
breaking trow's work in any way I could. So seeing a new area for users
to prod the charts, I set at breaking things and was very surprised to
see how easily I could make things difficult for everyone: users,
documenters, bug reporters and coders. "my chart disappeared" is a
puzzle kind of bug especially if the program is in a totally happy
state.

Yes, some data is much too big to handle on screen (say a year long time
series with five data points per day 6:00/9/12/15/18:00). The most
elegant thing for that would be to have the plot scale nicely from the
smoothed full year view into the daily 'connect the dot' view with a
horizontal scrollbar; but that's for tomorrow. The example is mostly to
answer Andreas who wonders why users might not want the whole plot in
the visible area. I used to make the guppi window the size of 20
desktops and then slide the window back and forth to look at the shapes
of different days in the different seasons---what Havoc calls a broken
answer to a broken app.

The configurable chart area is *awesome*, much more intuitive than the
tree configuration system. This could grow to get a dynamic 'Add' area
which shows, as widgets, the appropriate elements from the "Add" menu as
each piece is selected in the configurable chart area; this could then
become the primary interface. We would have to offer the users their
familiar basics as well such as cut/copy/paste. Actually, this occurs to
me as something we want to do regarless; the drop down "Add" menu hides
from users the potential of the chart widget.

However, while the configurable chart area is very cool, it is also
equivalently *hard*, a complex paradigm to build and offer users. I
offer these two principles for that paradigm only to prod your thinking.


Principle: In a 'visual editor,' all elements present must remain
visible.

This has consequences for the widget. I would make the "charting
area" white to show the aspect ratio of the 'visible area'
designated on the worksheet. This might be done with an alpha
10% grey mask over all the non-charting area. You may need to
make the border around the visible area big enough to hold any
piece you want to permit to leave charts out of the 'visible
area' (say if you want to let users to have a 'scrap heap' on
the side).

I would also block the charts from becoming too small, say
smaller than makes the bottom right handle clearly identifiable
as a handle. (10px wide or some such).

I would prevent charts from "inverting" (in the worksheet, this
is done by changing handle when the user drags the mouse
diagonally back across the chart; since you have only one handle
in your widget, I am not sure what you want to do).

I would prevent charts from leaving the chart area or at least
from leaving too far *but* would keep them visible regardless.
You might want to prevent charts from moving more than 95% from
the center to force them to stay 'worksheet visible' or from
moving more than 110% percent from the center (i.e. not
worksheet visible but still 'Configure Chart' visible) according
to your desires *but* the user should still see the chart and be
able to drag it back if needs be. To answer Andreas, I could
imagine this would let us store alternative charts but only show
one on the page that gets printed. I'm not sure I would do that,
merely arguing that it's a reasonable idea.



Principle: make the common needs easy at the expense of the uncommon
ones.

Since you now have the infrastructure to be totally crazy, you
need to design the UI to help users do what they want. Right
now, this UI feels like it was designed to make *everything*
possible. That's fantastic. However, I suspect most users
wanting to re-arrange their charts want to do simple things like
flip charts from vertically stacked to horizontally, side by
side. The first thing I tried, before I realized what you were
letting me do, was to make the plot areas uneven by dragging the
"bar" between the charts to make one bigger and the other
smaller. So vertical <-> horizontal and uneven I suspect will be
popular and should therefore be easy to do. Perhaps users may
also frequently want to place one smaller chart on top of an
other. But mostly, I wouldn't expect them to get too much
crazier.

Starting smal

Re: Customize Chart needs love before release

[Adrian Custer]

Hey,

Sorry you are taking negatively to my tone. I'm probably going too
quickly. 

So you seem to be aware that with a mouse drag, I can drag the chart to
Y=199.3%. To a naive user, it sure looks like I lost my chart to the
point that even on the spreadsheet, it's invisible. If that's what you
want, great.

--adrian



On Sun, 2007-10-28 at 21:48 +0100, Emmanuel Pacaud wrote:
> Le dimanche 28 octobre 2007 à 20:56 +0100, Adrian Custer a écrit :
> > playing around with charting, trying to see what is new.
> > 
> > Double click on a chart ==> Customize chart appears
> > 
> > In the top right part of the dialog is a preview which helpfully lets us
> > mess around with the pieces. However, it has not been even slightly bug
> > proofed. 
> 
> ??? 
> 
> I appreciate your review, but not really the tone.
> 
> > I've now got it to display nothing (all grey) despite having
> > two charts in there. One is off screen (unrecoverably);
> 
> Nothing is unrecoverable, all position parameters are also available in
> the property notebook.
> 
> >  the other is
> > inverted inside out and therefore apparently not drawn. Before you
> > enable this functionality *please* have at it a bit to make sure users
> > don't lose their charts.
> 
> Users won't loose their charts. 
> 
> Sure the chart editor needs some love. And I'm actually spending some of
> my evenings trying to improve the situation. Rants like this one won't
> help. Bugs with test case will.
> 
>   Emmanuel.
> 

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Customize Chart needs love before release

[Adrian Custer]

hey all,

playing around with charting, trying to see what is new.

Double click on a chart ==> Customize chart appears

In the top right part of the dialog is a preview which helpfully lets us
mess around with the pieces. However, it has not been even slightly bug
proofed. I've now got it to display nothing (all grey) despite having
two charts in there. One is off screen (unrecoverably); the other is
inverted inside out and therefore apparently not drawn. Before you
enable this functionality *please* have at it a bit to make sure users
don't lose their charts.

--adrian

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Re: Polynomial regression - Warning

[Adrian Custer]

Lovely repartee, just the sophisticated answer that gnumeric brings to
the spreadsheet world.

Any chance you can craft this into a good popup dialog? e.g.

You are trying to use SOME_METHOD which exists in gnumeric only
to allow compatibility with other older spreadsheet programs.
The computations involved in that method are known to be
exceedingly problematic. However, you might be able to solve
your problem using SOME_OTHER_METHOD. Would you like to use that
instead?

Of course, this is all over my head. I'm merely hoping to leverage your
40 years of knowledge into a helpful dialog.

--adrian


On Tue, 2007-10-09 at 14:46 -0400, Prof J C Nash wrote:
> Polynomial regression was where I came into numerical analysis at the 
> beginning of my academic career 40 years ago. It is a dangerously 
> ill-conditioned problem, meaning that the regression parameters are 
> untrustworthy, though the "fit", i.e., the model, may be useful if the 
> calculations are done properly. There are ways of doing it that are 
> "less dangerous" using orthogonal polynomials.
> 
> Just a warning that it should not be a high priority to add. Let the 
> Excel users drive off the cliff. If it is added for Excel compatibility, 
> then I'd still recommend a "Gnumeric does Vista" and pop up warnings 
> asking if the dangerous move should be allowed. Come to think of it, one 
> could borrow exactly the Vista popups so folk would blame Bill.
> 
> Seriously, think if you really need polynomial regression or can use a 
> less troublesome approach.
> 
> JN
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Re: Comment about Gnumeric Documentation

[Adrian Custer]

Hey,

Thanks for the comment. File a bug against the docs if you want me to
remember this when I get back to the editing work.

With all the work that has been done on the graphic system, I am amazed
any of those diagrams are even appropriate these days. 

Why do you want to see the screenshot? Can't you see the same thing in
your copy of Gnumeric? If I remember correctly, I thought you would have
the dialog in front of you when looking at the diagram so it seemed
reasonable to cover over each section.

ciao,
adrian


On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 14:06 -0400, Uri David Akavia wrote:
> Hello.
> First, I'd like to thank all the writers and reviewers of Gnumeric's
> Documentation, for creating such an important part of the project.
> 
> Second - section 7.2.2.1, figure 8 has the different parts of the
> Graph guru shaded, which helps identifying which section is being
> referred to.
> However, the shading hides the actual screenshot.
> 
> Do you think it might be a good idea to show smaller shots at higher
> magnification, focusing on the specific part discussed so it will be
> easier to see?
> 
> Yours,
> 
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Re: Help with Online Help?

[Adrian Custer]

You better tweak something quickly to get the version away from having
  666
pages. ~~adrian :-)


On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 18:27 +0200, J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 16:56:12 +0200, Adrian Custer wrote:
> > On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 14:02 +0200, J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote:
> > >   http://www.xinara.org/~ray/tmp/gnumeric.pdf
> 
> > If you work on this some more and figure out how we can get the graphics
> > to look nice both here and in yelp, I would be interested to know what
> > documentors would need to do.
> 
> I've now switched to rendering images using a scale factor .6; the test file
> is updated accordingly. If the scaling of individual images needs to be
> adjusted, this is probably best done by changing the DPI (well, "pixels per
> meter") of the PNG file.
> 
> Note BTW that a one-line patch to dbcontext is needed for this scale factor
> to become effective:
>   
> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1770146&group_id=72607&atid=535064

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Re: Help with Online Help?

[Adrian Custer]

On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 14:02 +0200, J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote:
> I've committed my work on this and updated the demo rendering
>   http://www.xinara.org/~ray/tmp/gnumeric.pdf
> 
> The procedure is unlikely to win awards:
...
> but the result is quite nice.

Indeed, that is nice! The manual is 600+ pages! Wow.

If you work on this some more and figure out how we can get the graphics
to look nice both here and in yelp, I would be interested to know what
documentors would need to do. I may yet get sucked back into the manual
and if I'm generating screenshots, it's easy to generate several or to
stick to some needed resolution. Right now, in the manual, the images
are too large and of crummy resolution.

Anyhow, congrats. It looks good---better than any pdf I ever managed to
generate.

--adrian

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Re: Divide or split a sheet in gnumeric

[Adrian Custer]

View -> Freeze panes

e.g.

1) click on row 10
2) View -> freeze panes
==> only 11 on scrolls

we could also have 
1) click on B12 
for two way fun.

--adrian



On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 20:32 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> Is it possible to split or divide a sheet in gnumeric?
> 
> I want, for example, to be able to split a page so I still see the first
> rows on top while scolling down. It is possible in MSOffice and OpenOffice.
> 
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Re: Feature request: Save Gnumeric spreadsheets in R file format

[Adrian Custer]

Hello,

Both are great pieces of software; glad you are working with them. 

Saving to .RData doesn't make much sense in a complex environment. You
are much better off getting familiar with using Gnumeric's text
import/export to go to text files and using R's read.table() or similar
functions to go into and out of R. The R functions keep getting easier
and better; learn the process once, and it will last you a long time.

cheers,
adrian

On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 19:02 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have just started using Gnumeric. I am also using R
> (http://www.r-project.org/) and would like to be able to easily export
> Gnumeric spreadsheets to R file format for using it in R.
> 
> Could you please add the possibility to save a Gnumeric spreadsheet in the
> .RData file format used by R?
> 
> Thanks for a great software!
> 
> Best regards
> Andreas Karlsson
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[Fwd: Re: Gnumeric for windows as portable app]

[Adrian Custer]

Hey all,

forwarded to the list as it may be of general interest

thanks to Christian Herbig


 Forwarded Message 
From: Christian Herbig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gnumeric for windows as portable app
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:37:30 -0800

I tried to reply this solution to the mailing list, but I don't think it
worked...


Anyway, Gnumeric can already be run from a USB drive; during the
installation process, just specify the install location as a folder on
the USB drive.  I have been doing this for a while now and I haven't had
any problems with the software.  Although it's not quite as tidy as a
special build of the app, it works.




[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wwwkeys.pgp.net




> From: Adrian Custer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: February 2, 2007 8:23:25 AM PST
> To: Gnumeric list 
> Subject: Gnumeric for windows as portable app
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> 
> Recently, I discovered the portable app phenomenon, for windows apps
> loaded onto usb flash drives. The idea is that such apps are run from
> the drive without having any need to interact with the windows
> registry
> or any other system on the machine itself. This enables users to run
> the
> apps even if they don't have elevated priviliges. 
> 
> 
> Is the windows port of gnumeric configured in a way that will allow it
> to run in this way? If not, is there any reason to prevent this? I
> suspect a portable gnumeric for windows would be a great way to expose
> the project to a wider audience.
> 
> 
> Of course I realize that the windows port is yet another labour of
> love
> and that it demands yet more of that time that no one has...:-)
> 
> 
> --adrian
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Gnumeric for windows as portable app

[Adrian Custer]

Hey all,

The U3 thing may be slightly divorced from the portable app thing so I
suspect we can simply ignore U3. 

U3 seems to have been a technology (built by some USB key manufacturers)
to interface to the registry so apps could act as if they were writing
keys to the registry without actually doing so. Portable apps seems to
be a strategy to have apps write their configuration back into the
folder in which they are stored. There are many apps that are
'portable' (see portableapps.com) without needing U3. 

However, I understand none of this technology; the above understanding
is what I gleaned from an hour of work trying to understand what was
going on.

--adrian


On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 15:47 -0500, Richard Bumby wrote:
> Adrian Custer wrote:
> > Hey all,
> > 
> > Recently, I discovered the portable app phenomenon, for windows apps
> > loaded onto usb flash drives. The idea is that such apps are run from
> > the drive without having any need to interact with the windows registry
> > or any other system on the machine itself. This enables users to run the
> > apps even if they don't have elevated priviliges. 
> > 
> > Is the windows port of gnumeric configured in a way that will allow it
> > to run in this way? If not, is there any reason to prevent this? I
> > suspect a portable gnumeric for windows would be a great way to expose
> > the project to a wider audience.
> > 
> > Of course I realize that the windows port is yet another labour of love
> > and that it demands yet more of that time that no one has...:-)
> > 
> > --adrian
> > 
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> I, too, discovered U3 recently.  I thought that I was just getting a 2GB 
> USB drive, but it showed its U3 side when I plugged it into my notebook 
> computer running Windows. It came just in time, since some of the office 
> outposts that I need to use right now have  only Windows machines with 
> an uneven choice of software.  I have seen nothing about developing 
> software for this system, but Mozilla seems to be building its products 
> for U3, so it must not be a big secret.
> 
> I add one more vote to the proposal that a U3 build of gnumeric be 
> considered.
> 
> --RTBumby

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Gnumeric for windows as portable app

[Adrian Custer]

Hey all,

Recently, I discovered the portable app phenomenon, for windows apps
loaded onto usb flash drives. The idea is that such apps are run from
the drive without having any need to interact with the windows registry
or any other system on the machine itself. This enables users to run the
apps even if they don't have elevated priviliges. 

Is the windows port of gnumeric configured in a way that will allow it
to run in this way? If not, is there any reason to prevent this? I
suspect a portable gnumeric for windows would be a great way to expose
the project to a wider audience.

Of course I realize that the windows port is yet another labour of love
and that it demands yet more of that time that no one has...:-)

--adrian

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Re: No help in 1.7.6!

[Adrian Custer]

Hello,

You hopefully can read the contents of the directory by doing:

yelp /usr/share/gnome/help/gnumeric/C/gnumeric.xml

which is less than ideal but ought to work. As for the menu launching
yelp with the right file, that's a complex, desktop level problem that I
have always left to the distributions since I don't understand it.

--adrian


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> Hi!
> 
> I have just installed (gentoo emerged) gnumeric 1.7.6
> but I have no help! Clicking on help->contents nothing happens!
> 
> In the dir /usr/share/gnome/help/gnumeric/C there are lots of .xml files.
> I cannot read them because their formats are not recognized by any browser.
> If I try reading them with a browser I get errors or the file is showed
> as is
> with all its xml code.
> 
> Thanks for any help/comments on this.
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Re: New Gnumeric icon

[Adrian Custer]

Hello,

Good work on the icons, they have class. Here are some thoughts...

At 24x24, when placed on a panel (or in a menu), the sheet background
looks like a mess. The white border of the icon gains undue importance
while the grey of the white cells, grey of the grey cells, and grey of
the cell separators all fade into one another and into the panel
background. See attachment.

Also the squareness of the overall icon makes it less recognizable than
a square and round bump of the old icon. Perhaps making the dark grey
row names cells smaller and ending the sheet sooner would help your
chart 'poke out' to break up the square icon.

cheers,
adrian


On Wed, 2006-12-13 at 14:22 -0200, Vinicius Depizzol wrote:
> Following the new Gnome Icon Theme, Tango Desktop Project is
> creating[1] a lot of icons for applications that doesn't  use the
> newer guidelines.
> 
> I created Gnumeric icon according to the actual[2] and this is the result:
> 
> - Graph on center:
> http://www.ingral.com.br/~vdepizzol/icons/apps/gnumeric/48x48/gnumeric.png
> - First row/col darker:
> http://www.ingral.com.br/~vdepizzol/icons/apps/gnumeric/scalable/gnumeric-test.png
> - Graph with default colors of Gnumeric:
> http://www.ingral.com.br/~vdepizzol/icons/apps/gnumeric/scalable/gnumeric-default-colors.png
> 
> What do you think? Comments?
> 
> [1] http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Fridays
> [2] http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnumeric/gnumeric.png
> 


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Python plugin: location for user code

[Adrian Custer]

Hello Jon Kare,

There's a bug report for the docs that I hope you could take a look at
and tell me if and how i should change things. I can change the docs but
can't take the time to figure out the different layouts for the
different gnumeric versions.

The bug is here:
  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=382321
asking to change the location of user plugin code from:
  ~/.gnumeric//myfuncs/
to
  ~/.gnumeric//plugins/myfuncs/

Is the latter correct? Is the former correct for earlier versions of
gnumeric and if so do you know to what versions each location applies?

Thanks,
adrian

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Re: Building gnumeric and dependencies in a separate location.

[Adrian Custer]

Hello,

This is indeed an issue. Fortunately there are several solutions. I
think chroot is overkill for your needs since your situation is common.
The developers often have several versions of gnumeric built and
installed in different locations.

GNOME has several build scripts available, notably jhbuild and garnome,
which can be installed in their own directory tree (away from everything
else). I don't remember the details but the explanation is in the README
files or probably on the net.

The GNUMERIC build system can handle this using the command-line
argument --prefix=... to the autogen/configure scripts. For years I have
built and installed gnumeric and whatever dependencies were required
in /soft/CVS/TEST/ without having any impact on my system. Once built,
to run that gnumeric I then had to adjust both the PATH and the
LD_LIBRARY_PATH environmental variables to first look in that directory
and then in the standard locations. This strategy is:
 1) build with --prefix=/the/alternate/path/
 2) run with a script or command line to expand the PATH and LD_... 
Note that if you have to build dependencies, then these environmental
variables will have to be set during the build of any dependent library.

Alternatively, GNOME has several build scripts available, notably
jhbuild and garnome, which can be installed in their own directory tree
(away from everything else). I don't remember the details but the
explanation is in the README files or probably on the net. These will
often require building from very far down in the stack (below gtk) which
may or may not be what you want. However, you can build these and not
affect your running system.

Hopefully that will help you on your way. 
--adrian

On Sun, 2006-07-09 at 20:34 -0400, Prof J C Nash wrote:
> I've seen a number of msgs on this list about compiling a verion, 
> usually the latest, of Gnumeric. I've tried myself too.
> 
> What I haven't found yet, and not only for Gnumeric, is a good how-to on
> actually doing such compiling safely and cleanly without disrupting 
> one's working environment. That is, I have 2 "main" working machines, 
> one running Xandros 3.02, which gets Gnumeric 1.4.3 (sigh!) using 
> apt-get, and Ubuntu Dapper, which get's (as far as I can tell) 1.59 (it 
> may have just got to 1.61). But to really check tests, I need the latest 
> release.
> 
> The difficulties are that if one tries to install the "new" libraries, 
> existing and needed applications can become unworkable. Some sort of 
> safe sandbox (chroot environment) is likely needed. But some good, sane, 
> advice would be helpful. I've had suggestions of putting up Gentoo, but 
> I've played distro-roulette enough to now be very careful about making 
> changes. I've also some critical, everyday things I must keep working.
> 
> To ensure that I'm not just complaining, if someone sends me rough notes 
> and I get things working, I'll be happy to edit and prepare the HowTo 
> and to the extent my schedule allows maintain it. I use Linux, but I'm 
> prepared to try to help out on other platforms with editing a HowTo or 
> possibly running a WinXP boot that I do have available.
> 
> JN  (nashjc _AT_ uottawa.ca for off-list communications)
> 

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The user's manual for 1.6

[Adrian Custer]

Hey all,

I gather that there may be an upcoming release of gnumeric 1.6. Perhaps
I have been far enough out of the loop that I have missed an email/web
page/cvs file describing the schedule. I do wish, if such a document
exists, that it could be mentioned periodically on this list as we come
up to these milestones.

If the release goes out by mid-month, I won't be able to spend my usual
two weeks working on updating the docs, sorry. 

My suggestion for the 1.6 release would be to release the docs as
version 1.4, that is as they currently are. I could be persuaded to
change the version string but it seems that releasing with obviously
dated documentation would let users reading the manual realize they do
not have current documentation. 

Other than that I would be prepared to spend a day or so on the docs if
you have a good suggestion for priorities which would really help.

Congrats on approaching another milestone,

--adrian
 

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Re: Why would you go and do a thing like this ?

[Adrian Custer]

Dear Sir,

It is unfortunate that you have recently messed up your previously clean 
installation. Computers can be very frustrating in that we can create 
problems for ourselves very quickly with few commands. It is also sad 
that you are upset. Unfortunately, your email is unlikely to resolve the 
situation but rather is likely to spread your annoyance to a larger 
audience.


In response to your comments:

1) Gnumeric *can* be built with very few dependencies.

2) Gnumeric is often bundled by the distributions with full GNOME 
dependencies.


So, if you wanted to install a simple gnumeric installation, you could 
do so. However, it sounds like slackware does what many other 
distributions do and packages gnumeric for you with the full GNOME stack 
as dependencies. This is why the audio libraries are being required.


If you want further help, I would suggest sending a more pleasant email 
to the list so that perhaps one of the knowledgeable developers would 
feel like spending their leisure time helping you understand better both 
your machine and the gnumeric code base. In such an email, you should 
explain in greater detail what you are trying to do, what distribution 
you are using, how you decided to install gnumeric, and other relevant 
technical information. Alternatively, you might use a search engine to 
see if someone has already created a slackware bundle of gnumeric with 
fewer dependencies. Another possibility is to obtain a gnumeric tarball 
yourself, look at its contents and the configure flags which are 
available and build a version of gnumeric which depends on gtk+ and few 
other libraries.


Best of luck in your future endevours.

a gnumeric user,
Adrian Custer





Robert G. Ristroph wrote:


Hi,

I was recently appalled to view the number of libraries that
gnumeric links.  Do you guys have any excuse or explanation
for this travesty ?

I am particularly shocked at the moment because I had a nice,
clean slackware linux machine an hour ago, with X and fvwm and
mozilla and few applications and midnight commander all
residing in a few hundred megabytes.  I went to put a spread
sheet on there and I feel like someone dumped a truck load of
AOL cds all over my freshly cut lawn.

In particular, I am interested to know why gnumeric requires
the use of libesd.so and libaudiofile.so, especially as my
computer has no sound card.  I also wouldn't mind knowing what
required the use of libresolv.so and libnsl.so, as I would
rather the program with my data in it did not contact the
internet.

If this were a Microsoft product I would presume that
Microsoft was trying to bundle the spreadsheet with the sound
library in order to foist some broken sound format upon the
world, and the libresolv was necessary to send to Redmond what
it snooped from my harddrive.

I think you guys have some fine code in gnumeric.  I would
rather it not be mixed with all that other crap.  I feel like
an art lover discovering someone stapling a calender girl
pinup over the Mona Lisa.

Do you guys have any excuse for this ?

Why don't you make gnumeric at least run without the
libraries, and only load them with dl() when you actually need
to play a sound and visit a web site, and make the software be
politely and functionally silent if it doesn't find them ?

--Rob

P.S.  In case you haven't looked:

[~] ldd /usr/bin/gnumeric 
libglade-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libglade-2.0.so.0 (0x4002a000)

libgnomeprintui-2-2.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgnomeprintui-2-2.so.0 
(0x4004)
libgnomeprint-2-2.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgnomeprint-2-2.so.0 (0x40073000)
libgnomeui-2.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgnomeui-2.so.0 (0x400cf000)
libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x4016b000)
libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x40174000)
libbonoboui-2.so.0 => /usr/lib/libbonoboui-2.so.0 (0x4018b000)
libgnomecanvas-2.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgnomecanvas-2.so.0 (0x401ea000)
libgnome-2.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgnome-2.so.0 (0x40214000)
libart_lgpl_2.so.2 => /usr/lib/libart_lgpl_2.so.2 (0x40229000)
libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 (0x4024)
libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x40266000)
libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x40549000)
libatk-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so.0 (0x405c8000)
libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 (0x405e4000)
libpangoxft-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so.0 (0x405fa000)
libpangox-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpangox-1.0.so.0 (0x40602000)
libpango-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so.0 (0x4060d000)
libgnomevfs-2.so.0 =&

Gnumeric on Windows: Theme

[Adrian Custer]

Thanks for your pointers.

It does look like we should use the gtk-wimp theme and their gtkrc by
default. The critical piece is the size of the toolbar icons (16x16) but
the other pieces are also nice. The new gtk-wimp .dll and gtkrc fixed
the scrollbars in windows xp, but broke them differently under windows
classic ;-).

And we crash/freeze when the user changes themes...

a longer list to follow into Bugzilla someday.


Still, GnumericOnWin rocks---it looks better under xp than it does under
my linux desktop. I'll have to switch to 16x16 icons throughout--wonder
how one does that.

--adrian

Morten Welinder wrote:

Please make sure you are using the gtk-wimp theme.  Things should look
like at http://gtk-wimp.sourceforge.net/screenshots/

Morten




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Random notes about Gnumeric on Windows.

[Adrian Custer]

Hey all,

Just discovered that the windows builds have been progressing along with
the rest of the releases. FANTASTIC!

Since I'm stuck using the windows side of my machine (modem trouble) I
figured I'd test the app a bit. Running 1.5.2 against Excel using two
versions of the same file generated by Gnumeric (.gnumeric and .xls).

Graphing rocks. Our column and row buttons rock.




I'll change this into a bug or lots of buglets when I have better
conectivity.



Pie in the sky:
  Are we ever going to be able to reduce the size of our GUI elements?
We look like a baby toy next to the "serious" tiny print excel. We are
wasting gobs and gobs of screen estate.


Pie in outer space:
  Any reason we couldn't have the windows version behave like excel
with multiple files, that is with lots of files within a bigger
container (named MDI?)? Wouldn't our model-view-controler separation
handle the situation? Not that we would want to do this, but *could*
gnumeric do it?







Okay, more seriously.

?GTK?
  The arrows on the buttons for the drop down list (i.e. font) are on a
button so large the arrows don't seem attached to their respective
boxes. Also by being in the middle of the button, an arrow between could
be attached to either

?GTK?
  The arrows at the end of the toolbar, when the toolbar is larger than
the app window width, don't indicate enough what they are about. Perhaps
the background of the button could look like a torn toolbar. In Excel,
the button sits on a background of a different colour which really
indicates its 'meta' behaviour.

?GTK?
  Tooltips have the same dark grey as the app for a background, makes
reading the tooltip hard and doesn't separate the tooltip as a
highlighted element as well as changing the background colour would.

?GTK?
  The scrollbar arrows don't look like arrows.

?GTK? ?Gnumeric's use of GTK?
  Neither the file open nor file save dialogs have help buttons.

?GTK?
  Blocking errors don't stay on top.
1) Open a big gnumeric
2) Edit->Sheets->Manage sheets...
3) click on help
=> an error dialog pops up.
4) clic on the sheet
=> hides the error but blocks further input.
  Perhaps clicking on the worksheet should dismiss the dialog. Blocking
dialogs are terrible, especially if, like here, they only give us
information and this info can easily be called up again by clicking
again on the 'help' button.

Gnumeric GUI---Preferences:
  opens to "Copy Paste" (why the second?) and the very unixy "Prefer
CLIPBOARD over PRIMARY..." Is this relevant to windows?

Gnumeric GUI---Preferences:
  "Windows" is confusing on "Windows(TM)" Excel uses "Window Options"
(in Tool menu ->Options->View tab (bottom).

Gnumeric GUI---Preferences, Explanations:
  Neither "Font" nor "Header Font" have any explanation. (I notice from
the help docs that the explanation in the *nix side are setting the font
"name" but that's not right, we are selecting the fonts not their names.)
  None of the explantions include details about each of the actual
options: e.g. "Default Window Vertical Size" is never explained as the
fraction of the total desktop. BTW, what does live srolling do?

Gnumeric GUI---Preferences:
  The dialog can be tweaked by raising or lowering the horizontal
divider to completely hide either the interface elements or the
explanation. We should block with some indication there is more left or
even get rid of the divider. Is it really helpful to have this divider?
Especially since it scruntches the text of options when it is raised
(select files, raise the divider slowly => text on top right becomes
illegibe as the checkbox options are scruntched. And this has a bug that
 , when you, after raising it, lower the horizontal divider, the
drawing becomes mangled and handling of the text underneath incorrect.

Gnumeric File-> Send To:
  Error dialog: missing handler for mailto URLs.

Gnumeric Views:
  "Windows" list persists after dismissing a view
1) new gnumeric
=> View menu -> Windows has a single item
2) View->New View-> "OK"*HIG ERROR, should be create***
=> new view opens, "windows" list has two items
3) Close the new view
=> "windows" list still has two items.

Gnumeric Menu Entry:
  View->Fullscreen should not have the ellipsis since no dialog opens up.


Gnumeric HELP: Works!
  I owe a beverage to whoever hooked it up to run from the "Help" menu. 
Thanks.


Gnumeric HELP:
  Is there a way to reduce the font size by default, say when we call 
windows help?


Gnumeric HELP:
  Expand the 'Configuring Gnumeric' 'preferences' section to explain
live scrolling and other non explained elements.

Gnumeric Help---Missing links
  * File -> Properties... :'sect-workbooks-docsummary' not found.
  * Edit->Goto cell... : 'sect-worksheets-viewing'
  * Edit->Sheet->Manage sheets... :'sect-worksheets-managing'
  * View->New View... : 'sect-worksheets-viewing'
  * View->Zoom... :"sect-worksheets-viewing"
 ***HIG ERROR, should be "zoom"
  * Format->work

Re: Does OpenBSD Have a Spreadsheet That Prints Properly?

[Adrian Custer]

Hello again,

If you can't get gnumeric working on OpenBSD, why don't you install one
of the linuxes? There are a number of friendly distributions (Debian,
Red Hat, Ubuntu, Mandriva ...) which have effective output onto pdf or
onto paper. You could even use a bootable CD version of linux and you
would not have to install anything onto your hard disk. 

Please refrain from further posting on this list about alternatives on
OpenBSD. That distribution has a number of resources which are better
suited to your question. *This* list is specifically about gnumeric so
asking about alternatives is inherently off topic. 

Personally, I will not answer any more of your questions on this
subject. Note, in passing, that *every* one of your paragraphs begins
with the first person personal pronoun. This list is about a community
not about *you*, please treat it as such.

all the best,
adrian

On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 16:53 -0500, Dave Feustel wrote:
> I write this as a person very committed to OpenBSD as a secure desktop.
> 
> I can say from experience that, running with KDE, neither Kspread nor 
> Gnumeric 
> on OpenBSD 3.6 are useable (by me, at least) for hard copy of even simple 
> spreadsheets. 
> 
> I am beginning to think *very* seriously about using a Windows computer 
> *just* to run MS Excel so I can get reliably and straightforwardly the hard 
> copy 
> I need. Neither gnumeric nor kspread running on OpenBSD 3.6 qualify on the 
> basis of my brief  experience with those two programs.
> 
> I will continue to use OpenBSD for accessing the internet, but my business
> related computing/printing tasks may well have to be done on Windows.  
> 
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Re: Another gnumeric printing problem

[Adrian Custer]

Dear Mr. Feustel,

Best of luck meeting your deadlines and completing your work. I
recognize your frustration at struggling against software to get your
work done.

Please understand that your emails make it difficult for others to help
you both in solving your problem and in trying to fix any problems which
may exist in gnumeric and its associated software. You are not working
systematically enough through your problems to solve them.

Please also let's stop using the "buggy" "broken" and other accusatory
language. I can imagine you are totally frustrated since I've been there
myself but blaming the software is simply not going to help. In my
personal experience 90% of the time what's wrong is my configuration not
gnumeric or anything else. It's also rude and pissing me off personally
so let's move on.

***

Okay, so let's try to isolate the issues:

The printing stack:
  Printing on unix operating systems has always been quite sophisticated
and therefore complex. To go from a gnumeric sheet to a printed page,
many different systems are interacting. For us to figure out what pieces
are behaving incorrectly we've got to figure out the pieces.

Gnumeric crashing on overwrite of a pdf file:
  The codes are committed to the idea that Gnumeric should never crash
and indeed it's gotten quite stable over the years. If it is we want to
know about it. Most likely your particular combination of gnumeric and
libraries are conflicting in some way. You need to figure out what
versions of gnumeric and associated libraries (like libgnomeprint) you
have installed. 

The different dialogs:
  Gnumeric and gnomeprint have changed a lot over the years, and has
used dialogs from lots of different places. Without a sense of what you
are looking at it's hard to imagine your configuration and what problems
you could be facing.

Garbled print output:
  It sounds like you are using CUPS but you may have some other printing
system. If you have CUPS, the easiest way to interact with it is thorugh
the web at http://yourhost:631 for example http://localhost:631 see 'man
lp' for details.

No time, no time:
  I realize you are under pressure. In this case you've go to decide
what you need to address now and what you can work around. For the stuff
you need to address, you need to take the fifteen minutes it's going to
require to write up your configuration and try to come up with a
coherent statement of what you are trying to do, and what's happening.
In other words, when you are most pressed for time, and are facing a
real obstacle, you still have to write up a bug report perhaps only to
yourself, to trouble shoot your way out of things. 

Best of luck in getting your work done,

ciao,
adrian

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Re: Sharing Gnumeric Files on a network

[Adrian Custer]

Hello,

This is because of differences between MS windows and UNIX in how they
treat files. MS windows 'locks' a file when one program is using it to
prevent any other program from accessing the file. UNIX programs work
with a copy of the file which they then replace after use. This is what
Mr. Welinder meant by 'locking' in case his answer seemed obscure. 

Sorry but I don't know how you can resolve the issue.

good luck,
adrian



On Tue, 2005-05-10 at 15:21 -0400, Mason Sanders wrote:
> I am using Fedora Core 2 with version 1.2.8 of Gnumeric.  I have many
> files in both Gnumeric and ms excel formats on a samba share on a
> network server that are modified throughout the day.  Is there some
> way that I can set up open office so that if one user has a particular
> file open and then someone else tries to open it, it will come up with
> a warning and only allow them to open it read only?  MS Office will do
> this with no configuration, but I don´t know if it is a feature of the
> OS or the Office suite?  Should I be looking to Samba or NFS to
> provide this functionality?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any insight,
> 
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Re: Bugs and wanted features in Gnumeric

[Adrian Custer]

Hey,

Thanks for your feedback.

Your ideas could be more useful to us if you would be willing to file
them in Bugzilla. The best thing to do would be to 

1) Start a meta-bug titled "Features needed for scientific publishing"
or some similar title. This bug will hold references to all the other
bugs.

2) File each bug separately, checking to make sure that there is not
already a bug filed for the issue. Then, once the bug is filed, add a
link to the meta-bug above.

3) file the other bugs a simple bugs. The "it dies" bug is especially
troubling. If you have a way to reliably cause gnumeric to crash,
please, please, please, file a bug with a good explanation. You will
help yourself *and* everyone else. 

These steps might take you an hour of work, but it would greatly help
the developers track, comment, and fix each of the bugs. 

thanks,
adrian


On Sat, 2005-04-02 at 16:05 +0300, Vladimir Chukharev wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just want to give some feed back, hoping it can help developers a bit.
> 
> I tried to use Gnumeric to prepare figures for a scientific article.
> Since version 1.4.0 which I tried last time, the version 1.4.3 changed
> to almost usable. Export as SVG, edit the graph couple minutes
> in inkscape, save it as EPS, and you have quite a good picture.
> Great progress!
> 
> With the missing features implemented (and bug 1 fixed) Gnumeric will
> become my main graphing tool.
> 
> Missing features (more urgent first)
> 1. Label cannot be oriented vertically (along Y axis).
> 2. Impossible to write text in arbitrary places (e.g to mark a line).
> 3. Text should be able to contain sub- and superscripts. Best if it
> would be capable for math equations.
> 4. Cannot save a graph as EPS, though SVG format is easily transformed
> to EPS externally.
> 
> Bugs I have noticed.
> 1. Font size is settable but not applied in legend.
> 2. It dies on attempt to delete just added second plot in a chart.
> 3. 'Paste Special' with Transpose checked does not adjust formulas in
> the cells.
> 4. When a sheet is duplicated, the references in a graph on the new
> sheet are to the old sheet.
> 5. References to data are always absolute in graph, which only take
> space and has no meaning for user IMHO.
> 
> Best regards,

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Re: Line Plots

[Adrian Custer]

Le vendredi 01 avril 2005 à 14:36 -0700, Robert Jerrard a écrit :
> Hello all, when a line plot chosen for a selected rectangular region of
> the spreadsheet, Gnumeric appears to take the series for the lines of
> the plot from the longer dimension. How can you specific the use of
> columns for the series when the longer dimension is the row?

Salut,

There are several ways to work around this issue. The easiest is
probably to select entire columns by clicking on the column header then
ctrl-clicking on the other columns
  -for series plots- pick the columns in series order
  -for x,y plots-pick the x first, then the y in series order
The extra blank rows will be discarded. Note, that rows can be selected
in similar fashion.

Another way to work is to assemble the selection series by series.
First, select the first series (or the x values) using the mouse to
highlight a region. Then hold down the ctrl key while making the other
selections with the mouse.

cheers,
adrian

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Re: File extension when saving

[Adrian Custer]

Hello,

Sorry you are having an unpleasant experience.

What I understand of your email, Gnumeric seems to be acting correctly. 

The first file appears to have an extension, that is the file ends with
a dot and followed by a small number of characters (one). Gnumeric sees
the dot-three, takes it to be an extension, recognizes that such an
extension is unusual for the xml format gnumeric uses, and therefore
warns the user. 

The second file does not appear to have any extension and therefore
Gnumeric adds the correct extension for this file type. This behaviour
has been examined extensively and the developers consistently have felt
that having gnumeric silently add the extension is the best compromise.

If you feel differently, please feel free to voice your opinion in the
best place to bring about change. File a bug in bugzilla.gnome.org, but
add some detail as to what you would expect in each situation. If you
also discuss other corner cases, your bug is more likely to generate
useful discussion. 

However, please realize that the developers have thought extensively
about this situation, and have come to agree upon the current
compromise. They are therefore unlikely to change their mind without a
well presented, logical, and comprehensive bug report. Also, I'd
encourage you to drop the "this is the most broken behaviour I've ever
seen" tone since that's likely simply to turn off those who make the
decisions.

best of luck,
adrian



On Sat, 2005-03-26 at 12:49 +1000, Alan E. Davis wrote:
> Gnumeric exhibits a troubling behavior when saving files.  The
> following two files received different treatment:
> 
> 1.  masterfile.3
> 2.  masterfile-3
> 
> File #1: received a message that the extension does not match the file
> type.
> 
> File #2: saved with the .gnumeric extension,without complaint or
> message.
> 
> Is this a gnome behavior?  I think not, because other programs do not
> do this.  This seems to me to be a derrier-garde bug, not a feature. 
> Reminds me of years gone by when I used windoze.  
> 
> I really like to use various ploys in writing long filenames that I can
> remember, usually with multiple suffixes.  In NO OTHER program, in the
> ten years of using GNU/Linux, has this behavior been encountered.  May
> I request either assistance and explanation, or, better, to do away
> with this terrible "bug".
> 
> Alan Davis
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 

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