Re: "Out of office" notifications.
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:29:33 -0400, Charly Avital said: > I have grown tired to receive out office notifications from > [EMAIL PROTECTED] everytime I post to the list. > That address is now on my junk list. I have disabled mail delivery to that account. Salam-Shalom, Werner ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: "--for-your-eyes-only"
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:54:39 +0200, Janusz A Urbanowicz said: > The aim of the secure viewer then was to make difficult to obtain eyes-only > message text as a file or a pipe. It checked if output is a live tty, Okay, that is something different. I was solely speaking of a tempest resistant viewer - the kind of thing PGP 6 named "secure viewer(/ing mode)". > Software that was distributed under GPL: pgp 2.3 and 2.3a. And pleaase don't That's right. However these are AFAIK the only versions under the GPL without restrictions. The widely used 2.6* versions are under a non free license diasllowing to change certain parts of the software or to distribute only parts of it. > let the discussion slip in legalese tetrapiloctomisation. http://fsfeurope.org/documents/whyfs.html > My point exactly, excapt that secure viewer needs not to be defined in the > protocol RFC. In fact there used to be a long discussion whether to keep the for-your-eyes-only feature in OpenPGP or to drop it. It does not belong into the standard as OpenPGP defines a message format and not an application. Shalom-Salam, Werner ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
"Out of office" notifications.
I have grown tired to receive out office notifications from [EMAIL PROTECTED] everytime I post to the list. That address is now on my junk list. Charly ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: problems with the mailing list
Your quote message got through fine. Are you sure you used the correct e-mail address (i.e. the e-mail address you used to subscribe to the list) when you sent the post that was refused? Your public key AD24CFB593B61FDD displays 4 different UIDs, none of them is identical to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charly Uwe Brauer wrote the following on 6/29/05 1:34 PM: > Hello > > I subscribed yesterday to the list, got the typical welcome msg, but > my posting of today got refused, reason being that I am a non > member. I am using the gmane fontend in order to communicate with the > list. Could anybody tell me what is the reason for this strange > behaviour. > > Thanks > > Uwe Brauer ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: "--for-your-eyes-only"
Werner Koch wrote the following on 6/29/05 10:36 AM: > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:55:02 +0200, Janusz A Urbanowicz said: > > >>Some form of secure viewer was present in PGP 2.3 and 2.6 which were FLOSS. > > > Huh, that's new to me. Both versions are pure command line tools > without a graphical part. No way to make use fo filtered fonts. Those two versions, for the Mac, were not pure command line tools. I have no idea what they did for Windows users. Version 2.3 of MacPGP was the first PGP port to the Mac. Not really a Mac application, it worked somehow with a combination of minimalistic GUI and command line essentials. It was a good starting point for Mac users who wanted to learn about PGP. I started with that, and I remember it was nerve-wracking (for me at least). Version 2.6.3x (maybe it was called FatMacPGP 2.6.3, I am not sure) was a quantum leap (sort of): it would run on PowerPC and also on 68020 and 68030 CPUs, and behaved like a real Mac application, with many GUI niceties (or maybe not really a GUI, but some kind of front or shell), but also with an option to use CLI. There was a feature called something like "allow viewing by recipient only", but I don't remember whether it was the secure viewer with TEMPEST resistant fonts, or a warning meant for the recipient that the decrypted message would not be saved into a file, and would only be displayed on the recipient's computer display. The recipient could chose to abide by the warning, or to save the decrypted message using some specific command or option. > > I am not sure what kind of software you collect untder the term of > FLOSS; if you mean Free Software, PGP has never been Free Software > despite what many people claimed. FLOSS = Free Libre Open Source Software. PGP 2.x.x versions were free software (lower case, meaning free of payment); Philip R. Zimmermann made PGP available for free (at the beginning of PGP's career). Whether this qualifies for Free Software (upper case), I don't know. Charly ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
problems with the mailing list
Hello I subscribed yesterday to the list, got the typical welcome msg, but my posting of today got refused, reason being that I am a non member. I am using the gmane fontend in order to communicate with the list. Could anybody tell me what is the reason for this strange behaviour. Thanks Uwe Brauer ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: "--for-your-eyes-only"
On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 04:36:53PM +0200, Werner Koch wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:55:02 +0200, Janusz A Urbanowicz said: > > > Some form of secure viewer was present in PGP 2.3 and 2.6 which were FLOSS. > > Huh, that's new to me. Both versions are pure command line tools > without a graphical part. No way to make use fo filtered fonts. The aim of the secure viewer then was to make difficult to obtain eyes-only message text as a file or a pipe. It checked if output is a live tty, prevented the plaintext ending on the swap and leaving any temp files. It was really difficult to get eyes-only message in plain file form with it in the way (there was no /dev/vcs etc in the days and it needs root anyway). > I am not sure what kind of software you collect untder the term of > FLOSS; if you mean Free Software, PGP has never been Free Software > despite what many people claimed. Software that was distributed under GPL: pgp 2.3 and 2.3a. And pleaase don't let the discussion slip in legalese tetrapiloctomisation. > > Unless they patented it (sigh) it can be renginered back to the GPG, like > > Photo-IDs. > > Photo IDs are a feature of PGP6 and now OpenPGP. My point exactly, excapt that secure viewer needs not to be defined in the protocol RFC. -- mors ab alto 0x46399138 ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: "--for-your-eyes-only"
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:55:02 +0200, Janusz A Urbanowicz said: > Some form of secure viewer was present in PGP 2.3 and 2.6 which were FLOSS. Huh, that's new to me. Both versions are pure command line tools without a graphical part. No way to make use fo filtered fonts. I am not sure what kind of software you collect untder the term of FLOSS; if you mean Free Software, PGP has never been Free Software despite what many people claimed. > Unless they patented it (sigh) it can be renginered back to the GPG, like > Photo-IDs. Photo IDs are a feature of PGP6 and now OpenPGP. Salam-Shalom, Werner ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: "--for-your-eyes-only"
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 04:58:52AM -0400, Charly Avital wrote: > > However, GnuPG can call other programs to do other tasks (keyserver > > access programs, JPEG viewers for photo IDs), so it's not impossible > > that GnuPG could call an external secure viewer program. I don't know > > of one offhand though. > > As far as I can remember the evolution of PGP, I think (but I am not > sure) that the concept of a secure viewer is a PGP proprietary function > built-in in their software. Some form of secure viewer was present in PGP 2.3 and 2.6 which were FLOSS. Unless they patented it (sigh) it can be renginered back to the GPG, like Photo-IDs. -- mors ab alto 0x46399138 ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: "--for-your-eyes-only"
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:49:54 +0200 (MET DST), Johan Wevers said: > Are you saying that my idea to output a picture with tempest-resistant > fonts won't couse a problem, or that even if tempest-resistant fonts are > patented only the fonts from the above URL can be used for this purpose? In case swpats gets legalized in EU it won't be possible to write free tempest resistant viewers. The exception are viewers available under a copyleft license (like the GPL) using the mentioned specific font. Salam-Shalom, Werner ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
