Re: Is the OpenPGP model still useful?

2011-04-29 Thread Michel Messerschmidt
Sounds very much like Off-the-Record messaging for every kind of 
communication. Or is there a difference I have missed?


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Re: Re: Keylogers

2011-04-29 Thread Mike Acker
On 14:59, michaelquig...@theway.org wrote:
 In a properly secured O/S an application program can't do any damage

 No damage, yes.  *But additional alterations can happen*.  Software
 installations alter the base O/S--especially the Windows registry.
  Keep in mind things such as Anti-virus software need to put in hooks
 to intercept normal/original processing to test files/programs.

 I've wondered how this same subject works with application whitelisting.

 Also, I believe device drivers still run in RING0 on Windows.
  Although I haven't heard/checked whether that's still true in Windows 7.

yep. when i was working OS/MVT I used to hate people who wanted to
install an SVC. 

and so it is with Win7: if your app needs to modify the O/S then your
app has to be vetted just as though it was the O/S.  because when it
hooks in -- it has to be treated that way.

obviously you would not want to allow any and every app program to do
that... if you did you'd have a mess on your hands. Don't we?

I have always felt the registry should be for the O/S use only.  App
Programs should use their own .ini files.

one of the things we have failed to recognize is that the computers for
hobbyists, experimenters et al are different from the computers for
commercial/network/business applications.

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Re: Is the OpenPGP model still useful?

2011-04-29 Thread Robert J. Hansen
On 4/28/11 11:05 AM, Michel Messerschmidt wrote:
 Sounds very much like Off-the-Record messaging for every kind of 
 communication. Or is there a difference I have missed?

The barrier to usage is still high with OTR: users still have to
authenticate, and you can get horrible sync issues.  Plus, let's not
forget the wacky hijinks that occur if you're logged into IM from two
places at once -- although this is explicitly supported by some IM
protocols (Jabber), with OTR it causes no end of troubles.

The thought experiment here -- it's not a real proposal -- is, what
would happen if we discarded authentication entirely, and went purely
for a require-brute-force approach to discover the random session key?

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signing non default key

2011-04-29 Thread Yard, John
Forgive the newbie question:

I want to sign a key , I use

/opt/freeware/gnupg1.4.10/bin/gpg --edit-key Yard2004_UCLA

I enter 

Commnad  sign

 Yard2004_UCLA

Are you sure that you want to sign this key with your
key John Yard (aix admin) jy...@ais.ucla.edu (78B3C4BA)

Really sign? (y/N)

This issue is , I need to sign this key with another key ,
How can this be done / what is the syntax for this ?

JYard
UCLA


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Re: signing non default key

2011-04-29 Thread Doug Barton
Please don't try to start a new thread by replying to an old message and 
changing the subject line. This causes your message to appear under 
the old thread for those of us who use threaded mail clients.


The better solution is to save the list e-mail address to your address 
book, then start a whole new message.



hope this helps,

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Re: signing non default key

2011-04-29 Thread Hauke Laging
Am Freitag, 29. April 2011, 20:04:40 schrieb Yard, John:

 This issue is , I need to sign this key with another key ,
 How can this be done / what is the syntax for this ?

--local-user 0x12345678


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Centralizing Private and Public Keys From Multiple Boxes with -user Switch

2011-04-29 Thread Ted Zatopek

Is it possible to have multiple private keys in use on the same keyring?

We have a GPG installation on two different boxes (with one private key in
use on each) and both boxes have reached end of life and need to be
decomissioned.   

We use GPG to encrypt files that we put to the seperate customer FTP sites.  
They decrypt the files and process them.

We created a different private\public key combination for each box.   Each
box also has a customer specific public key that we've imported into the
keyring.  

We are centralizing our FTP transmissions to one new box.

It looks to me that it's possible to have two private keys in use on the
same keyring and that you can specify which key to use when you are
encrypting by using the -user switch in your encryption command.

Is that the way it works or am I barking up the wrong tree here?   Maybe I'm
missing something fundamental?

Any advice is appreciated.
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Re: Centralizing Private and Public Keys From Multiple Boxes with -user Switch

2011-04-29 Thread David Shaw
On Apr 29, 2011, at 2:56 PM, Ted Zatopek wrote:

 
 Is it possible to have multiple private keys in use on the same keyring?
 
 We have a GPG installation on two different boxes (with one private key in
 use on each) and both boxes have reached end of life and need to be
 decomissioned.   
 
 We use GPG to encrypt files that we put to the seperate customer FTP sites.  
 They decrypt the files and process them.
 
 We created a different private\public key combination for each box.   Each
 box also has a customer specific public key that we've imported into the
 keyring.  
 
 We are centralizing our FTP transmissions to one new box.
 
 It looks to me that it's possible to have two private keys in use on the
 same keyring and that you can specify which key to use when you are
 encrypting by using the -user switch in your encryption command.
 
 Is that the way it works or am I barking up the wrong tree here?   Maybe I'm
 missing something fundamental?

Nope, that's exactly how it works.  Note that the option is --local-user (or 
-u), and not --user though.

David


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Re: signing non default key

2011-04-29 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 11:04:40AM -0700, Yard, John wrote:
 Forgive the newbie question:
 
 I want to sign a key , I use
 
 /opt/freeware/gnupg1.4.10/bin/gpg --edit-key Yard2004_UCLA
…
 This issue is , I need to sign this key with another key ,
 How can this be done / what is the syntax for this ?

Use the -u option to specify a key other than the default. This is in
the gpg(1) man page[1]:

--edit-key name
Present a menu which enables you to do all key related tasks:
sign
Make a signature on key of user name If the key is not yet
signed by the default user (or the users given with -u), the
program displays the information of the key again, together
with its fingerprint and asks whether it should be signed.
This question is repeated for all users specified with -u.
…
-u, --local-user name
Use name as the user ID to sign. This option is silently ignored
for the list commands, so that it can be used in an options
file.

[1]: http://www.gnupg.org/documentation/manpage.en.html
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Re: Centralizing Private and Public Keys From Multiple Boxes with -user Switch

2011-04-29 Thread Hauke Laging
Am Freitag, 29. April 2011, 20:56:49 schrieb Ted Zatopek:

 It looks to me that it's possible to have two private keys in use on the
 same keyring and that you can specify which key to use when you are
 encrypting by using the -user switch in your encryption command.

That is correct except for the detail that the option is --local-user or -u.



In order to prevent writing nonsense I checked what -user produces. I used 
this command:

gpg --detach-sign -user eccb5814 index.html

I was surprised by the result. gpg created a signature using a key with no 
obvious relation to the command. Additionally I got an error message that 
eccb5814 was not found (meaning: as a file).

I finally understood by myself that -user is interpreted as 
--local-user ser. Many keys have ser in their UIDs.

Does it make sense to accept a parameter for --local-user which is not 
unambiguous? Of course, it says what it is going to do but aborting with a 
clear error message would be user protection IMHO.


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Re: Is the OpenPGP model still useful?

2011-04-29 Thread B


Am 28.04.2011 17:05, schrieb Michel Messerschmidt:
 Sounds very much like Off-the-Record messaging for every kind of 
 communication. Or is there a difference I have missed?
 

Hej list members,

whatever you ar talking about with this topic: I like using OpenPGP VERY
MUCH and find it VERY useful and useable with enigmail in Thunderbird
(Icedove) on Debian Squeeze. Thanks for every hand and mind developing
this fine peace of software!

By the way: Using OpenPGP with enigmail in Thunderbird, I miss a feature:
Usually the recipient rules work but if they fail (perhaps due to
background update of Thunderbird and not working plugin), I would like
to have a chance to see that the written message is going to be send
unencrypted BEFORE sending. Or vice vera: I want to see that a instantly
written message is going to be encrypted

Thanks in advance,


Boris

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Re: Is the OpenPGP model still useful?

2011-04-29 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 09:05:35PM +0200, B wrote:
 By the way: Using OpenPGP with enigmail in Thunderbird, I miss a feature:
 Usually the recipient rules work but if they fail (perhaps due to
 background update of Thunderbird and not working plugin), I would like
 to have a chance to see that the written message is going to be send
 unencrypted BEFORE sending. Or vice vera: I want to see that a instantly
 written message is going to be encrypted

There is an option in Enigmail’s expert settings to always confirm.

Simon
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