Re: [admin] postings from non-subscribers

[Matthew Orlando]

The flip side is someone who wants a quick answer to a limited issue but
otherwise has no interest in participating in (or using email rules to
filter out) every single conversation on a given topic. Personally, I
clicked one of the reply-to addresses in the archive from a google
search, wrote a message, got a notice that it was being moderated, and
then decided to sign up. If I had been told my message was rejected
because I wasn't a subscriber, I might not have bothered going any
further. Barriers to entry should be reduced not reinforced imo.

More kudos to the admins!

- Cog

On 11/7/2016 12:47 PM, Ralph Seichter wrote:
> On 07.11.16 19:06, Werner Koch wrote:
>
>> Our mailing list admins are moderating posts from non-subscribed
>> posters. For many years they are doing this without getting much
>> attention - time for a big KUDOS to them.
> That's quite unusual. Thanks to the list admins for their work. Still,
> I personally (!) don't think there is any need to accommodate non-
> subscribers. The whole notion of "I want information but cannot be
> bothered to subscribe" rubs me the wrong way.
>
> -Ralph
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Re: [admin] postings from non-subscribers

[Robert J. Hansen]

> The only time inline responses make any sense at all is when there are
> multiple separate points to respond to...

Or when the list owners have specifically requested it be done, as is
the case here.

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gnupg/users/75846

(Although my comment is first in that thread, I'm not the list owner.
wk chimes in a few comments into the thread: his opinion is the
authoritative one.)

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Re: [admin] postings from non-subscribers

[Schlacta, Christ]

What's annoying is when you're subscribed to a list and receiving posts,
but for some reason when you try to post, it says you're not subscribed and
getting moderated. I've had that happen, but I don't think it's happened
here yet.

On Nov 7, 2016 12:48 PM, "Ralph Seichter"  wrote:

> On 07.11.16 19:06, Werner Koch wrote:
>
> > Our mailing list admins are moderating posts from non-subscribed
> > posters. For many years they are doing this without getting much
> > attention - time for a big KUDOS to them.
>
> That's quite unusual. Thanks to the list admins for their work. Still,
> I personally (!) don't think there is any need to accommodate non-
> subscribers. The whole notion of "I want information but cannot be
> bothered to subscribe" rubs me the wrong way.
>
> -Ralph
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Re: [admin] postings from non-subscribers

[Schlacta, Christ]

Top posting is easier for some, bottom posting for others. Also, a sane mda
will show all new messages at the bottom, meaning you see the previous
messages above the current message. Leaving the full quote in for those who
aren't using a sane mda to be able to read through and find previous
messages, indented to show threading, is a matter of courtesy.

The only time inline responses make any sense at all is when there are
multiple separate points to respond to, and the only time a bottom post
makes sense is when you want your recipients to have to scroll through the
previous context *twice*, and get annoyed.

On Nov 7, 2016 1:24 PM, "Ralph Seichter"  wrote:

> On 07.11.16 21:59, Schlacta, Christ wrote:
>
> > What's annoying is when you're subscribed to a list and receiving
> > posts, but for some reason when you try to post, it says you're not
> > subscribed and getting moderated.
>
> Used the wrong address to post? Anyway, speaking of annoying things:
> top-posting and full quotes come to mind. :-)
>
> -Ralph
>
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Defense strategy against basic DoS on key servers

[Piotr Chmielnicki]

Hello,

The pool of key servers looks like a central element of the OpenPGP global WoT 
and key synchronization across people.

I wonder what is the defense strategy of this pool against 2 very basic DoS 
attacks.

The first attack would be to just upload several To of keys to fulfill the 
available storage of these servers.

The second attack scenario would target a specific key by attaching to it a 
huge number of signatures that would make it very hard for anyone to download 
or refresh the targeted key.

Thank for helping me to understand how those scenarios are managed.

Piotr Chmielnicki
@piotrcki



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Re: [admin] postings from non-subscribers

[Anthony Papillion]

On 11/7/2016 2:47 PM, Ralph Seichter wrote:
> On 07.11.16 19:06, Werner Koch wrote:
> 
>> Our mailing list admins are moderating posts from non-subscribed
>> posters. For many years they are doing this without getting much
>> attention - time for a big KUDOS to them.
> 
> That's quite unusual. Thanks to the list admins for their work. Still,
> I personally (!) don't think there is any need to accommodate non-
> subscribers. The whole notion of "I want information but cannot be
> bothered to subscribe" rubs me the wrong way.

I tend to feel the same way. I've never understood that mentality. I
mean, it literally takes less than a minute to subscribe then less than
another to unsubscribe. You really want information but it's not worth
two-minutes of your time to get it? Must not be really important to you
then.

Still, their willingness to moderate non-subscribers shows how much our
moderators rock. Most mailing list I belong to would never do this. This
sets our mods apart! Great job guys.

Anthony

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Re: [admin] postings from non-subscribers

[Ralph Seichter]

On 07.11.16 22:52, Schlacta, Christ wrote:

> Top posting is easier for some, bottom posting for others.

It is not about what is "easier for some", but I am not going to spend
more time discussing Netiquette with you. We have been doing things in
a certain way in mailing lists - since the 1980s - for good reasons.

-Ralph

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Question about using GnuPG on Windows 10

[Anthony Papillion]

I know Windows 10 sends a lot of telemetry data back to Microsoft for
analysis. The data sent to Microsoft, in some circumstances, also seems
to be keystroke data to help make certain features of Windows 10 better.
How does GnuPG play into this?

Is there any evidence that GnuPG password entry is not part of the
keystroke data sent to Microsoft? Does GnuPG take any steps to avoid
this? Can it?

Thanks,
Anthony



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Re: [admin] postings from non-subscribers

[Ralph Seichter]

On 07.11.16 21:59, Schlacta, Christ wrote:

> What's annoying is when you're subscribed to a list and receiving
> posts, but for some reason when you try to post, it says you're not
> subscribed and getting moderated.

Used the wrong address to post? Anyway, speaking of annoying things:
top-posting and full quotes come to mind. :-)

-Ralph


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Re: [admin] postings from non-subscribers

[Ralph Seichter]

On 07.11.16 19:06, Werner Koch wrote:

> Our mailing list admins are moderating posts from non-subscribed
> posters. For many years they are doing this without getting much
> attention - time for a big KUDOS to them.

That's quite unusual. Thanks to the list admins for their work. Still,
I personally (!) don't think there is any need to accommodate non-
subscribers. The whole notion of "I want information but cannot be
bothered to subscribe" rubs me the wrong way.

-Ralph

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[admin] postings from non-subscribers (was: gpg is destroying my messages)

[Werner Koch]

On Mon,  7 Nov 2016 13:28, gnupg...@seichter.de said:

> If you are not subscribed, how did you post on this mailing list?

That is easy.  Our mailing list admins are moderating posts from
non-subscribed posters.  For many years they are doing this without
getting much attention - time for a big KUDOS to them.


Salam-Shalom,

   Werner

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Re: gpg is destroying my messages ...

[Daniel Kahn Gillmor]

On Fri 2016-11-04 20:58:10 -0400, Wols Lists wrote:

> Basically, I'm very frustrated that gpg is losing random emails of mine.
> The problem is I am NOT using it by default, but every now and then it
> will "grab" a message I send. I then can only access it by typing in my
> pass-phrase. (And, iirc, the menu bar displays and says DON'T sign,
> DON'T encrypt!!!)
>
> Why on earth - HOW on earth - is it encrypting messages without needing
> my key? And why is it doing it? I need gpg for the odd message, but it's
> a right royal pain when it does this as messages refuse to save in sent,
> and I can't access emails I've sent without a load of grief.
>
> I can't even find out how to strip this blasted encryption from my own
> messages so I can see them without problem!
>
> I'm using the gpg plug-in for thunderbird ...

You probably want to ask this question on the enigmail mailing list:

  Enigmail user discussion list 

Enigmail is responsible for integrating GnuPG with Thunderbird.

Regards,

 --dkg

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gpg is destroying my messages ...

[Wols Lists]

(Note I'm not subscribed, please cc me on replies)

Basically, I'm very frustrated that gpg is losing random emails of mine.
The problem is I am NOT using it by default, but every now and then it
will "grab" a message I send. I then can only access it by typing in my
pass-phrase. (And, iirc, the menu bar displays and says DON'T sign,
DON'T encrypt!!!)

Why on earth - HOW on earth - is it encrypting messages without needing
my key? And why is it doing it? I need gpg for the odd message, but it's
a right royal pain when it does this as messages refuse to save in sent,
and I can't access emails I've sent without a load of grief.

I can't even find out how to strip this blasted encryption from my own
messages so I can see them without problem!

I'm using the gpg plug-in for thunderbird ...

Cheers,
Wol

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Re: gpg is destroying my messages ...

[Ralph Seichter]

> (Note I'm not subscribed, please cc me on replies)

If you are not subscribed, how did you post on this mailing list?

> Why on earth - HOW on earth - is it encrypting messages without
> needing my key?

GPG does not initiate encryption, your MUA (Thunderbird) does. Also, GPG
does not require your own key, but the recipient's key for encryption.
Unless you Bcc yourself or add a default encrypt-to-key in GPG settings,
you won't even be able to read the encrypted message.

> I'm using the gpg plug-in for thunderbird ...

What is "the" plugin? Enigmail? In any case, check the plugin settings,
GPG is not the root cause for your problems, the Thunderbird plugin
calling GPG is. Change the plugin settings, or disable it.

-Ralph

P.S.: Please keep replies on-list.

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