Re: Posting rules for the gnupg-devel@ mailing list

2011-09-27 Thread Luca Capello
Hi there!

Please Cc: me, I am not subscribed to the list.

Thank you for having answered my questions.

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:09:38 +0200, Werner Koch wrote:
 On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:33, l...@pca.it said:
 2) given the fact that there is no SMTP error message and no
notification, there is no way for the sender to know what happened
with her/his email, which is a bit unfair.

 Posting are also distributed to the poster.

Do you mean that when a moderate post is accepted the poster receives a
copy?  This is not the case for gnupg-users@, I have never received my
posts.

And this happens way too late: it is more than a week now since my first
attempt to post to gnupg-devel@ and still I do not have any news of
that.  I do not know if this is because, as you wrote, moderation
(thanks to the hidden work of volunteers I, as you, am thankful to) or
because my first email got lost on the ns1.u64.de server (which is the
question I ask at the very beginning).

While I do not care anymore (I am now subscribed to gnupg-devel@, at
least until the environment file issue will be solved), I would like to
be sure it is not a problem on my side (my SMTP server or how I sent the
email), to avoid any consequence.

 3) not having notifications also means that you can not cancel your
email, which could result in duplicate posts.

 You can't do that anyway.

I was surprised as well to discover that such an option exists!  Here is
the moderation email I received in reply to my last post to
gnupg-users@, check at the very end:

--8---cut here---start-8---
Subject: Your message to Gnupg-users awaits moderator approval
From: gnupg-users-boun...@gnupg.org
To: l...@pca.it
Message-ID: mailman.29702.1316538589.2574.gnupg-us...@gnupg.org
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 19:09:49 +0200
Precedence: bulk
X-BeenThere: gnupg-users@gnupg.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12rc1
List-Id: Help and discussion among users of GnuPG gnupg-users.gnupg.org
X-List-Administrivia: yes
Sender: gnupg-users-bounces+luca=pca...@gnupg.org
Errors-To: gnupg-users-bounces+luca=pca...@gnupg.org

Your mail to 'Gnupg-users' with the subject

Posting rules for the gnupg-devel@ mailing list

Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

The reason it is being held:

Post by non-member to a members-only list

Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to cancel
this posting, please visit the following URL:


http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/confirm/gnupg-users/1392af50e53d2d3772ba1cc94074f746b0dddeb0
--8---cut here---end---8---

 Really, I do not have any problem with waiting (if I know that I have
 to), but the above seems overcomplicated.

 We have a pretty good track record regarding spam and thus I see no
 reason to change the subscribe-only policy.

And, to be clear, I have never asked for that to be changed.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: Posting rules for the gnupg-devel@ mailing list

2011-09-21 Thread Luca Capello
Hi there!

On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 22:04:53 +0200, Peter Pentchev wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 06:31:44PM +0200, Luca Capello wrote:
 Please Cc: me, I am not subscribed to the list.

Still valid.

 While I know that my email was accepted, I have not received any
 error/moderation message:
 =
 Sep 19 20:33:27 clio postfix/smtp[2929]: 5D125CE980: 
 to=gnupg-de...@gnupg.org, \
  relay=ns1.u64.de[217.69.77.222]:25, delay=6.4, delays=0.01/0.01/6.2/0.12, \
  dsn=4.0.0, status=deferred (host ns1.u64.de[217.69.77.222] said: \
  451-151.1.160.141 is not yet authorized to deliver mail from l...@pca.it \
  to 451 gnupg-de...@gnupg.org. Please try later. (in reply to RCPT TO 
 command))
 Sep 19 20:42:49 [...] status=deferred [...]
 Sep 19 20:52:49 [...] status=deferred [...]
 Sep 19 21:12:49 [...] status=deferred [...]
 Sep 19 21:52:50 clio postfix/smtp[14485]: 5D125CE980: 
 to=gnupg-de...@gnupg.org, \
  relay=ns1.u64.de[217.69.77.222]:25, delay=4769, delays=4763/0.01/5.1/0.81, \
  dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 OK id=1R5jta-0006Hh-CE)
 =
 
 Should I subscribe to the gnupg-devel@ mailing list to post?  Can this
 information be added to the listinfo page, please?

 Not necessarily.  I believe that this is just greylisting in action -
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting

I know what and how greylisting works, which is exactly what happened in
the log above.  The problem is that there is no sign of my email above,
not even the in-moderation notification.  I will try to re-send it...

I found the answer to my first question in the mailing list webpage, so
this is purely my fault, it seems I completely missed the other part of
that page.  Short story: all GnuPG mailing lists are subscribers-only:

  http://gnupg.org/documentation/mailing-lists.en.html

I still think that this information should be added to the listinfo
pages as well, but this is another matter.

Sorry for the noise.

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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