(OT) encrypting to expired certificates
On 17/09/14 22:46, michaelquig...@theway.org wrote: The discussion has been most entertaining and enlightening. And to think I blew a gasket because I grossly misinterpreted this sentence: As a farm kid, the answer is a resounding yes, and you should be thanking me. Which I interpreted as that /I/ should throw out food that's past its expiration date. And that I should thank Robert for showing me the error of my ways, which is the part that got me fuming. And was a completely wrong interpretation! Well, people, you are welcome for the entertainment! I hope I actually made a few good points as well :). Peter. -- I use the GNU Privacy Guard (GnuPG) in combination with Enigmail. You can send me encrypted mail if you want some privacy. My key is available at http://digitalbrains.com/2012/openpgp-key-peter ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: (OT) encrypting to expired certificates
And to think I blew a gasket because I grossly misinterpreted this sentence: To clarify: I think that the body politic should thank producers of food for being willing to throw away food (and thus, profit) in the interests of preserving the safety of the public's food supply. That's all. The reason why I find the metaphor appropriate for GnuPG is because it highlights the different responsibilities producers have versus consumers. A producer is expected to provide product (food, encrypted communications, whatever) that exceeds the standard of the consumer. Similarly, the use case of I forgot to add a new expiration date on my own key is different from the use case of my correspondent forgot to add a new expiration date on his key. These two use cases revolve around policy, not mechanism. In the former, whether you want to hack up the system time to get around the expiration issue is wholly your lookout -- whatever policy one decides, I neither get to judge it nor comment on it. In the latter, I get to say, I cannot imagine a world where this makes sense. The certificate has expired; don't use it. Again, producers are -- must be -- held to a higher standard than consumers. Peter, I hope this makes my feelings on the matter clear. It was not my intent to tell you how to run your refrigerator, or that you are somehow doing it incorrectly. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: (Really OT!) encrypting to expired certificates
However, I can't help but feel angry by your dismissal of my beliefs I did not dismiss your beliefs, nor did I mock them. When I said in deference to Peter's hot-button issue of food expiration, there was no perjoration or sarcasm attached to that. I said precisely, exactly, what I meant: in order to avoid tromping on something that is a sensitive subject for you, I elected to use other examples. You may wish to rethink whether that amounts to a dismissal of your beliefs or consideration of them. But even if you are of stone, maybe you should remember that it's actual people you are conversing with who have emotions and might feel strongly about things. We are not our ideas. Our ideas are separate things from us, and one can be a virtuous and commendable soul even if one's notions are nonsense. A Young-Earth Creationist who volunteers to feed the hungry is still showing great personal virtue. Their idea may be flamingly wrong, but only a heartless fool would think that fact should somehow diminish their worth or value. We live in a society that encourages us to wear labels. Atheist. Agnostic. Buddhist. European. American. Black. White. Arab. There's nothing wrong with those labels, really -- but there's something wrong with letting ourselves *be defined by* our labels. And in the end, the ideas you hold are just another label. Don't let your labels define you. Especially don't let them define your self-worth. You are more, and richer, than that. We all are. Not just everyone on this mailing list, but every human being throughout the world. (Even the ones currently kidnapped on Zarbnulax.) I'm sending this to the entire list because it's something I'd like to tell the entire list. None of us are our ideas. It is normal and natural for ideas to come into violent collision. If your idea prevails, congratulations, but that doesn't make you a better human being. If your idea doesn't, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it: no one worth knowing would think that having an incorrect idea was any kind of reflection on you as a person. You certainly don't have to agree with any of this. They're just ideas, after all... ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
