Re: AUTO: Richard Hamilton is out of the office (returning 06/24/2010)

2010-06-21 Thread Mark H. Wood
RFC2919, anyone?  This list uses the List-* headers.

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Re: AUTO: Richard Hamilton is out of the office (returning 06/24/2010)

2010-06-18 Thread Jerry
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:04:41 -0600
Richard Hamilton hamil...@us.ibm.com articulated:

 I am out of the office until 06/24/2010.
 
 I am out of the office until Thursday June 24th.  If this is a
 production problem, please call the solution center at 918-573-2336
 or email Bob Olson at robert.ol...@williams.com. I will have limited
 mail and cell phone access.
 
 
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I was just stating to a colleague that it had been months since an
errant vacation message had been posted on this forum. Well, thanks
to Bob, that drought has been quenched. With the summer season now
upon us and vacations becoming the norm, I rest assured that more such
individuals will be advising us of their schedule.

Then again, maybe, just maybe, this might be a good time for all of us
to check that we have our mail programs, be them what they may,
properly configured so as to not pollute forums with useless
OOF/vacation garbage announcements.

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Re: AUTO: Richard Hamilton is out of the office (returning 06/24/2010)

2010-06-18 Thread Jean-David Beyer
Jerry wrote:
 On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:04:41 -0600

 I was just stating to a colleague that it had been months since an
 errant vacation message had been posted on this forum. Well, thanks
 to Bob, that drought has been quenched. With the summer season now
 upon us and vacations becoming the norm, I rest assured that more such
 individuals will be advising us of their schedule.
 
 Then again, maybe, just maybe, this might be a good time for all of us
 to check that we have our mail programs, be them what they may,
 properly configured so as to not pollute forums with useless
 OOF/vacation garbage announcements.
 
If I understand correctly, this is done by setting the precedence of the
vacation e-mail to bulk instead of something else (list?), and that
mailing list programs do not send the stuff marked bulk.

Is that not how mailing list programs work?

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Re: AUTO: Richard Hamilton is out of the office (returning 06/24/2010)

2010-06-18 Thread Jean-David Beyer
David Smith wrote:
 Jean-David Beyer wrote:
 If I understand correctly, this is done by setting the precedence of the
 vacation e-mail to bulk instead of something else (list?), and that
 mailing list programs do not send the stuff marked bulk.

 Is that not how mailing list programs work?
 
 
 Not quite.
 
 Mailing lists programs normally send mails with the Precedence: bulk
 or Precedence: junk header, and then the autoresponder should
 recognise this and choose not to respond to mails with the bulk or
 junk precedence header.  It is up to the autoresponder to act correctly.
 
Well, the stuff I get from the Gnupg-users@gnupg.org list has
precedence: list set. Other lists to which I subscribe use Precedence
 normal or precedence: bulk. Regular e-mail does not have precedence
set at all. It seems to me that mailing lists should get their acts
together.

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Re: AUTO: Richard Hamilton is out of the office (returning 06/24/2010)

2010-06-18 Thread David Smith
Jean-David Beyer wrote:
 David Smith wrote:
 Mailing lists programs normally send mails with the Precedence: bulk
 or Precedence: junk header, and then the autoresponder should
 recognise this and choose not to respond to mails with the bulk or
 junk precedence header.  It is up to the autoresponder to act correctly.

 Well, the stuff I get from the Gnupg-users@gnupg.org list has
 precedence: list set. Other lists to which I subscribe use Precedence
  normal or precedence: bulk. Regular e-mail does not have precedence
 set at all. It seems to me that mailing lists should get their acts
 together.

OK, Maybe Precedence: list is also a valid implementation; I haven't
looked in detail at the RFQs, etc. - I was just typing from memory.  The
basic method of operation is the same, though - the MLM marks the
message as a mailing list message using the Precedence header, and the
autoresponder interprets this header when deciding whether to respond.

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Re: AUTO: Richard Hamilton is out of the office (returning 06/24/2010)

2010-06-18 Thread David Smith
Jean-David Beyer wrote:
 Well, the stuff I get from the Gnupg-users@gnupg.org list has
 precedence: list set. Other lists to which I subscribe use Precedence
  normal or precedence: bulk. Regular e-mail does not have precedence
 set at all. It seems to me that mailing lists should get their acts
 together.

Just checked the relevant RFC (3834), and it says (rather unhelpfully):

  (Because Precedence is not a standard
  header field, and its use and interpretation vary widely in the
  wild, no particular responder behavior in the presence of
  Precedence is recommended by this specification.)

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Re: AUTO: Richard Hamilton is out of the office (returning 06/24/2010)

2010-06-18 Thread Sean Rima
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On 18/06/2010 14:24, David Smith wrote:
 Jean-David Beyer wrote:
 David Smith wrote:
 Mailing lists programs normally send mails with the Precedence: bulk
 or Precedence: junk header, and then the autoresponder should
 recognise this and choose not to respond to mails with the bulk or
 junk precedence header.  It is up to the autoresponder to act correctly.

 Well, the stuff I get from the Gnupg-users@gnupg.org list has
 precedence: list set. Other lists to which I subscribe use Precedence
  normal or precedence: bulk. Regular e-mail does not have precedence
 set at all. It seems to me that mailing lists should get their acts
 together.
 
 OK, Maybe Precedence: list is also a valid implementation; I haven't
 looked in detail at the RFQs, etc. - I was just typing from memory.  The
 basic method of operation is the same, though - the MLM marks the
 message as a mailing list message using the Precedence header, and the
 autoresponder interprets this header when deciding whether to respond.
 

Many years ago I used to maintain the Linux vacation and one of the
checks it did was to check for the existence of the Precedence header.
We also started to add support for Mailman listheaders.

Any decently written OOF/vacation should be able to ignore most mailing
lists

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AUTO: Richard Hamilton is out of the office (returning 06/24/2010)

2010-06-17 Thread Richard Hamilton


I am out of the office until 06/24/2010.

I am out of the office until Thursday June 24th.  If this is a production
problem, please call the solution center at 918-573-2336 or email Bob Olson
at robert.ol...@williams.com. I will have limited mail and cell phone
access.


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