Re: All mails identified as spams by Google

[sverker wahlin]

I'm in the process of setting up my webmail services, and have been
digging through quite a lot of standards.

It seems to me that gnupg.org's mail servers do not have any
SPF/DKIM/DMARC records in the DNS.
These are authentication standards issued by IETF, and are meant to stop
spam and authenticate senders.
As a host for a mailing list, it might be something that might be
interesting for gnupg.org to set up - at least the SPF is dead simple.

I think google is starting to apply these rules more & more. Also, they
seem to sometimes use ipv6 addresses, sometimes ipv4. Some of my emails
bounced due to my lack of ipv6 addresses in my DNS, but some got
delivered through ipv4.
This might be why some google recipients got the list, and some not.

However, if anyone finds out how to get emails delivered to hotmail.com,
let me know.
Surprisingly, btw, hotmail & has PGP verification built-in.

<3
/panina, nonbinary.me

On 2016-03-25 21:11, Guan Xin wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Werner Koch  > wrote:
>
>
> Exactly.  FWIW, We do the same for all incoming mail.  It was my fault
> that I had not explicitly assigned the v6 address of
> lists.gnupg.org  and
> so when I added a new v6 address that address was picked up and its
> reverse lookup showed gnutls.org .
>
> Sorry again.
>
>
> Shalom-Salam,
>
>Werner
>
>
> Thanks for the confirmation! Now everything works fine.
>
> Regards,
> Guan
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Re: All mails identified as spams by Google

[Guan Xin]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Werner Koch  wrote:

>
> Exactly.  FWIW, We do the same for all incoming mail.  It was my fault
> that I had not explicitly assigned the v6 address of lists.gnupg.org and
> so when I added a new v6 address that address was picked up and its
> reverse lookup showed gnutls.org.
>
> Sorry again.
>
>
> Shalom-Salam,
>
>Werner
>
>
Thanks for the confirmation! Now everything works fine.

Regards,
Guan
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Re: All mails identified as spams by Google

[Werner Koch]

On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 16:19, ant...@blazrsoft.com said:

> May be a reverse lookup issue. Werner mentioned he added a V6 address
> to the server yesterday. Some MTA's do a reverse lookup on the inbound
> mail IP and if it does not match, the mail is flagged as spam. I could

Exactly.  FWIW, We do the same for all incoming mail.  It was my fault
that I had not explicitly assigned the v6 address of lists.gnupg.org and
so when I added a new v6 address that address was picked up and its
reverse lookup showed gnutls.org.

Sorry again.


Shalom-Salam,

   Werner


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Re: All mails identified as spams by Google

[Donach mc kenna]

Well, this has come thru fine to my Primary Gmail inbox, so I'm not
experiencing that.






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On 25 March 2016 at 15:19, Antony Prince  wrote:

> On March 25, 2016 9:24:00 AM EDT, Brad Rogers  wrote:
> >On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 11:11:28 +0100
> >Guan Xin  wrote:
> >
> >Hello Guan,
> >
> >>Why does it happen?
> >
> >Google are a law unto themselves.
>
> May be a reverse lookup issue. Werner mentioned he added a V6 address to
> the server yesterday. Some MTA's do a reverse lookup on the inbound mail IP
> and if it does not match, the mail is flagged as spam. I could be wrong,
> but I'm guessing it is something along those lines.
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Re: All mails identified as spams by Google

[Brad Rogers]

On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 11:19:39 -0400
Antony Prince  wrote:

Hello Antony,

>May be a reverse lookup issue. Werner mentioned he added a V6 address
>to the server yesterday. 

I hope it is something as readily sorted as that (and I hope it already
has been), but the point remains;  google are a big enough force across
the 'net to set their own protocols, irrespective of RFCs and so forth
and others will cater for those protocols.

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/ _)radnever immediately apparent"
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Re: All mails identified as spams by Google

[Antony Prince]

On March 25, 2016 9:24:00 AM EDT, Brad Rogers  wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 11:11:28 +0100
>Guan Xin  wrote:
>
>Hello Guan,
>
>>Why does it happen? 
>
>Google are a law unto themselves.

May be a reverse lookup issue. Werner mentioned he added a V6 address to the 
server yesterday. Some MTA's do a reverse lookup on the inbound mail IP and if 
it does not match, the mail is flagged as spam. I could be wrong, but I'm 
guessing it is something along those lines.
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Re: All mails identified as spams by Google

[Pete Stephenson]

On Mar 25, 2016 12:21 PM, "Guan Xin"  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> All mails from gnupg-users are identified as spams by gmail since
yesterday. Google says that the mailing list "is in violation of Google's
recommended email sender guidelines".
>
> Why does it happen? This is the first time that I see 100% false positive
of the gmail spam filter.

I've observed the sane thing here on a Google Apps-hosted mail service

Cheers!
-Pete
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Re: All mails identified as spams by Google

[Brad Rogers]

On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 11:11:28 +0100
Guan Xin  wrote:

Hello Guan,

>Why does it happen? 

Google are a law unto themselves.

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Re: All mails identified as spams by Google

[Jerry]

On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 11:11:28 +0100, Guan Xin stated:

>All mails from gnupg-users are identified as spams by gmail since
>yesterday. Google says that the mailing list "is in violation of
>Google's recommended email sender guidelines".
>
>Why does it happen? This is the first time that I see 100% false
>positive of the gmail spam filter.

1) I personally "HATE" Gmail and stay as far away from it as possible
whenever able.

2) I am not seeing that problem here.

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"You see, in this world, there's two kinds of people, my friend — those
with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig." — Clint Eastwood, The
Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (1966)

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All mails identified as spams by Google

[Guan Xin]

Hi All,

All mails from gnupg-users are identified as spams by gmail since
yesterday. Google says that the mailing list "is in violation of Google's
recommended email sender guidelines".

Why does it happen? This is the first time that I see 100% false positive
of the gmail spam filter.

Guan
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