Re: Multiple signatures on a single file

2005-09-05 Thread Berend Tober

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Berend Tober wrote:
 


Is it possible to have multiple persons sign a single file? If so, how
is this done?

The particular scenario is currently this: Employees submit expense
reports for business travel using a spread sheet. Current practise is
the the employee fills out spread sheet via computer (or optionally
prints blank spread sheet template and writes by hand with a pen),
physically signs using pen and ink, physically delivers signed hardcopy
to supervisor for supervisor pen-and-ink signature prior to payment
processing.

Desired practise is to eliminate both producing hard copy and
pen-and-ink signatures, and then re-work the process using gpg
electronic signatures. Thus, employee would enter data into expense
report spread sheet, save, gpg sign, mail to supervisor, supervisor
would (presumably) open and review spread sheet, close without changing,
gpg sign, and then return to employee or forward to accounting dept.

Sounds straightforward, but I didn't spot in the various
manuals/guides/how-to's for gnupg how a second individual could add
their signature after me.

   



Use detached signatures? Generate a key to sign the document with, and
have that key signed by the supervisor?
 

What I don't like about doing that explicitly is that every additional 
signature, at least in the default operational mode, appends an 
additional ".sig" file extension. Further more, the signatures are 
wrapped withing one another, so that to verification would require 
serial verification of each preceding outer layer signature. What I've 
been refining during the last couple days uses a command line script to 
append additional detached signatures into a single signature file. This 
approach models more directly the co-signature concept of legacy 
contracts, i.e., think of buying a house -- you and you spouse are 
co-signators rather than having one sign the contract and the other sign 
the others signature. What you suggested models the concept of a notary 
public witnessing a signature, but that we already have by signing 
public keys in the trust model.


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Multiple signatures on a single file

2005-09-05 Thread Berend Tober

Is it possible to have multiple persons sign a single file? If so, how
is this done?

The particular scenario is currently this: Employees submit expense
reports for business travel using a spread sheet. Current practise is
the the employee fills out spread sheet via computer (or optionally
prints blank spread sheet template and writes by hand with a pen),
physically signs using pen and ink, physically delivers signed hardcopy
to supervisor for supervisor pen-and-ink signature prior to payment
processing.

Desired practise is to eliminate both producing hard copy and
pen-and-ink signatures, and then re-work the process using gpg
electronic signatures. Thus, employee would enter data into expense
report spread sheet, save, gpg sign, mail to supervisor, supervisor
would (presumably) open and review spread sheet, close without changing,
gpg sign, and then return to employee or forward to accounting dept.

Sounds straightforward, but I didn't spot in the various
manuals/guides/how-to's for gnupg how a second individual could add
their signature after me.

-- BMT




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Re: Multiple signatures on a single file

2005-09-02 Thread Alphax
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Berend Tober wrote:
> Is it possible to have multiple persons sign a single file? If so, how
> is this done?
> 
> The particular scenario is currently this: Employees submit expense
> reports for business travel using a spread sheet. Current practise is
> the the employee fills out spread sheet via computer (or optionally
> prints blank spread sheet template and writes by hand with a pen),
> physically signs using pen and ink, physically delivers signed hardcopy
> to supervisor for supervisor pen-and-ink signature prior to payment
> processing.
> 
> Desired practise is to eliminate both producing hard copy and
> pen-and-ink signatures, and then re-work the process using gpg
> electronic signatures. Thus, employee would enter data into expense
> report spread sheet, save, gpg sign, mail to supervisor, supervisor
> would (presumably) open and review spread sheet, close without changing,
> gpg sign, and then return to employee or forward to accounting dept.
> 
> Sounds straightforward, but I didn't spot in the various
> manuals/guides/how-to's for gnupg how a second individual could add
> their signature after me.
> 

Use detached signatures? Generate a key to sign the document with, and
have that key signed by the supervisor?

Just my 2c...

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Multiple signatures on a single file

2005-09-02 Thread Berend Tober
Is it possible to have multiple persons sign a single file? If so, how 
is this done?


The particular scenario is currently this: Employees submit expense 
reports for business travel using a spread sheet. Current practise is 
the the employee fills out spread sheet via computer (or optionally 
prints blank spread sheet template and writes by hand with a pen), 
physically signs using pen and ink, physically delivers signed hardcopy 
to supervisor for supervisor pen-and-ink signature prior to payment 
processing.


Desired practise is to eliminate both producing hard copy and 
pen-and-ink signatures, and then re-work the process using gpg 
electronic signatures. Thus, employee would enter data into expense 
report spread sheet, save, gpg sign, mail to supervisor, supervisor 
would (presumably) open and review spread sheet, close without changing, 
gpg sign, and then return to employee or forward to accounting dept.


Sounds straightforward, but I didn't spot in the various 
manuals/guides/how-to's for gnupg how a second individual could add 
their signature after me.


-- BMT



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