Re: Posting rules for the gnupg-devel@ mailing list
On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:33, l...@pca.it said: 1) I would be interested to know how many spam emails passes greylisting. Way too many. 2) given the fact that there is no SMTP error message and no notification, there is no way for the sender to know what happened with her/his email, which is a bit unfair. Posting are also distributed to the poster. 3) not having notifications also means that you can not cancel your email, which could result in duplicate posts. You can't do that anyway. Really, I do not have any problem with waiting (if I know that I have to), but the above seems overcomplicated. We have a pretty good track record regarding spam and thus I see no reason to change the subscribe-only policy. Shalom-Salam, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Ausnahmen regelt ein Bundesgesetz. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Posting rules for the gnupg-devel@ mailing list
Hi there! Please Cc: me, I am not subscribed to the list. Thank you for having answered my questions. On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:09:38 +0200, Werner Koch wrote: On Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:33, l...@pca.it said: 2) given the fact that there is no SMTP error message and no notification, there is no way for the sender to know what happened with her/his email, which is a bit unfair. Posting are also distributed to the poster. Do you mean that when a moderate post is accepted the poster receives a copy? This is not the case for gnupg-users@, I have never received my posts. And this happens way too late: it is more than a week now since my first attempt to post to gnupg-devel@ and still I do not have any news of that. I do not know if this is because, as you wrote, moderation (thanks to the hidden work of volunteers I, as you, am thankful to) or because my first email got lost on the ns1.u64.de server (which is the question I ask at the very beginning). While I do not care anymore (I am now subscribed to gnupg-devel@, at least until the environment file issue will be solved), I would like to be sure it is not a problem on my side (my SMTP server or how I sent the email), to avoid any consequence. 3) not having notifications also means that you can not cancel your email, which could result in duplicate posts. You can't do that anyway. I was surprised as well to discover that such an option exists! Here is the moderation email I received in reply to my last post to gnupg-users@, check at the very end: --8---cut here---start-8--- Subject: Your message to Gnupg-users awaits moderator approval From: gnupg-users-boun...@gnupg.org To: l...@pca.it Message-ID: mailman.29702.1316538589.2574.gnupg-us...@gnupg.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 19:09:49 +0200 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: gnupg-users@gnupg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12rc1 List-Id: Help and discussion among users of GnuPG gnupg-users.gnupg.org X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: gnupg-users-bounces+luca=pca...@gnupg.org Errors-To: gnupg-users-bounces+luca=pca...@gnupg.org Your mail to 'Gnupg-users' with the subject Posting rules for the gnupg-devel@ mailing list Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/confirm/gnupg-users/1392af50e53d2d3772ba1cc94074f746b0dddeb0 --8---cut here---end---8--- Really, I do not have any problem with waiting (if I know that I have to), but the above seems overcomplicated. We have a pretty good track record regarding spam and thus I see no reason to change the subscribe-only policy. And, to be clear, I have never asked for that to be changed. Thx, bye, Gismo / Luca pgpGzFN6S9gIf.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Posting rules for the gnupg-devel@ mailing list
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:39, l...@pca.it said: Please Cc: me, I am not subscribed to the list. Set your MFT header properly and MUAs will CC you. And this happens way too late: it is more than a week now since my first attempt to post to gnupg-devel@ and still I do not have any news of If you have such problems with it - and you are the first one in ~13 years to insist that is a problem - then simply subscribe. Shalom-Salam, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Ausnahmen regelt ein Bundesgesetz. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Posting rules for the gnupg-devel@ mailing list
Hi there! On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 22:04:53 +0200, Peter Pentchev wrote: On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 06:31:44PM +0200, Luca Capello wrote: Please Cc: me, I am not subscribed to the list. Still valid. While I know that my email was accepted, I have not received any error/moderation message: = Sep 19 20:33:27 clio postfix/smtp[2929]: 5D125CE980: to=gnupg-de...@gnupg.org, \ relay=ns1.u64.de[217.69.77.222]:25, delay=6.4, delays=0.01/0.01/6.2/0.12, \ dsn=4.0.0, status=deferred (host ns1.u64.de[217.69.77.222] said: \ 451-151.1.160.141 is not yet authorized to deliver mail from l...@pca.it \ to 451 gnupg-de...@gnupg.org. Please try later. (in reply to RCPT TO command)) Sep 19 20:42:49 [...] status=deferred [...] Sep 19 20:52:49 [...] status=deferred [...] Sep 19 21:12:49 [...] status=deferred [...] Sep 19 21:52:50 clio postfix/smtp[14485]: 5D125CE980: to=gnupg-de...@gnupg.org, \ relay=ns1.u64.de[217.69.77.222]:25, delay=4769, delays=4763/0.01/5.1/0.81, \ dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 OK id=1R5jta-0006Hh-CE) = Should I subscribe to the gnupg-devel@ mailing list to post? Can this information be added to the listinfo page, please? Not necessarily. I believe that this is just greylisting in action - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting I know what and how greylisting works, which is exactly what happened in the log above. The problem is that there is no sign of my email above, not even the in-moderation notification. I will try to re-send it... I found the answer to my first question in the mailing list webpage, so this is purely my fault, it seems I completely missed the other part of that page. Short story: all GnuPG mailing lists are subscribers-only: http://gnupg.org/documentation/mailing-lists.en.html I still think that this information should be added to the listinfo pages as well, but this is another matter. Sorry for the noise. Thx, bye, Gismo / Luca pgpsP6SIdxc1j.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Posting rules for the gnupg-devel@ mailing list
On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:40, l...@pca.it said: the log above. The problem is that there is no sign of my email above, not even the in-moderation notification. I will try to re-send it... Sending such notification back to the spammers is not a good idea. You either have to wait - or better - subscribe to the ML. Shalom-Salam, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Ausnahmen regelt ein Bundesgesetz. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Posting rules for the gnupg-devel@ mailing list
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 06:31:44PM +0200, Luca Capello wrote: Hi there! Please Cc: me, I am not subscribed to the list. I found what I think is a bug in gpg-agent (the environment file should be delete when quitting), please see: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=642021 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=642012#17 Yesterday, after having patched gpg-agent and extensively tested my (very simple) patch, I sent it to the gnupg-devel@ mailing list, but I still fail to see it appearing on the archives: Subject: [PATCH] Remove the environment file when quitting. Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:33:13 +0200 Message-Id: 1316457193-26043-1-git-send-email-l...@pca.it X-Mailer: git-send-email 1.7.6.3 While I know that my email was accepted, I have not received any error/moderation message: = Sep 19 20:33:27 clio postfix/smtp[2929]: 5D125CE980: to=gnupg-de...@gnupg.org, \ relay=ns1.u64.de[217.69.77.222]:25, delay=6.4, delays=0.01/0.01/6.2/0.12, \ dsn=4.0.0, status=deferred (host ns1.u64.de[217.69.77.222] said: \ 451-151.1.160.141 is not yet authorized to deliver mail from l...@pca.it \ to 451 gnupg-de...@gnupg.org. Please try later. (in reply to RCPT TO command)) Sep 19 20:42:49 [...] status=deferred [...] Sep 19 20:52:49 [...] status=deferred [...] Sep 19 21:12:49 [...] status=deferred [...] Sep 19 21:52:50 clio postfix/smtp[14485]: 5D125CE980: to=gnupg-de...@gnupg.org, \ relay=ns1.u64.de[217.69.77.222]:25, delay=4769, delays=4763/0.01/5.1/0.81, \ dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 OK id=1R5jta-0006Hh-CE) = Should I subscribe to the gnupg-devel@ mailing list to post? Can this information be added to the listinfo page, please? Not necessarily. I believe that this is just greylisting in action - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting In short, if your mailserver is well-behaved and retransmits the message within a reasonable timeframe (usually a couple of hours would be enough, although most mailservers will retry in less than an hour), the gnupg.org server will accept your message and everything will be just fine. Of course, the gnupg.org mail admins are free to jump in and correct me :) G'luck, Peter -- Peter Pentchev r...@ringlet.net r...@freebsd.org pe...@packetscale.com PGP key:http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 If there were no counterfactuals, this sentence would not have been paradoxical. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
