Re: What causes this bad signature

[Peter Lebbing]

On 18/11/15 16:59, da...@gbenet.com wrote:
> 0x5E5CCCB4A4BF43D7 has expired - that's the only thing "bad" about it.

I could not reproduce this:

> $ gpg2 -k 2C53B2ED
> pub   rsa2048/2C53B2ED 2015-08-21 [expired: 2015-08-28]
> uid [ expired] Test Teststra Jr. 

> $ gpg2 --check-sig DCDFDFA4
> gpg: 8 good signatures
> pub   rsa1024/DCDFDFA4 2012-03-17 [expires: 2015-11-19]
> uid [ unknown] Test Teststra (Koning van Wezel) 
> sig!3DCDFDFA4 2015-11-18  Test Teststra (Koning van Wezel) 
> 
> sig! 2C53B2ED 2015-11-18  Test Teststra Jr. 
> uid [ unknown] Test Teststra 
> rev! DCDFDFA4 2014-08-14  Test Teststra (Koning van Wezel) 
> 
> sig!3DCDFDFA4 2014-08-13  Test Teststra (Koning van Wezel) 
> 
> sig!3DCDFDFA4 2015-11-18  Test Teststra (Koning van Wezel) 
> 
> sig! 17C05EBD 2015-05-22  c...@example.org
> sig! 2C53B2ED 2015-11-18  Test Teststra Jr. 
> sub   rsa1024/77A3395A 2012-03-17
> sig! DCDFDFA4 2012-03-17  Test Teststra (Koning van Wezel) 
> 

I have just now issued a signature on 0xDCDFDFA4 with 0x2C53B2ED. To do
that, I had to unexpire the latter, but I first made a backup of the
expired key. After putting the expired key back, the signature is still
shown as succesfully verified, not as bad.

So a signature by an expired key is not necessarily seen as a bad
signature. Either your explanation is incomplete or it is incorrect...

But thanks for looking into it! I never thought anything of the fact it
was expired; I probably never noticed?

HTH,

Peter.

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Re: What causes this bad signature

[Peter Lebbing]

On 18/11/15 13:53, da...@gbenet.com wrote:
> I downloaded  the key and all sub-keys. Neither GPA Kgpg or Kleopatra give 
> any warnings
> about this key. You don't say what's bad about it - which is why your not 
> getting much help
> here.

Actually, I understand what he means, I just don't know how to
investigate further. I tried with --debug-*, but I got no more info, and
was at a loss how to continue right there and then, so I didn't post a
reply.

>From his original post:
> My key is 0x58A2D94A93A0B9CE and their signature comes from
> 0x5E5CCCB4A4BF43D7:
> 
> pub   2048R/0x58A2D94A93A0B9CE 2009-08-11
> uid [ultimate] Sebastian Wiesinger 
> sig!3   P0x58A2D94A93A0B9CE 2015-03-27 never   Sebastian Wiesinger 
> 
> sig-3  1 0x5E5CCCB4A4BF43D7 2015-11-14 never   Governikus OpenPGP 
> Signaturservice (Neuer Personalausweis) 

Note the sig-3 line; the dash indicates a bad signature, as the man page
indicates for --check-sig. Additionally, GnuPG outputs the line:

> gpg: 1 bad signature

which he didn't include in his quote because he trimmed the console
output; it would have included about 55 other signatures, so I get why
he did that ;).

HTH,

Peter.

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Re: What causes this bad signature

[da...@gbenet.com]

On 16/11/15 15:01, Sebastian Wiesinger wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> my key is not bad, the signature by 0x5E5CCCB4A4BF43D7 is bad. The
> question is why.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Sebastian
> 

Hello Sebastian,

I downloaded  the key and all sub-keys. Neither GPA Kgpg or Kleopatra give any 
warnings
about this key. You don't say what's bad about it - which is why your not 
getting much help
here.

David

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the
kind.Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of 
death. No
delusion.” https://linuxcounter.net/user/512854.html - http://gbenet.com



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Re: What causes this bad signature

[Sebastian Wiesinger]

* gnupgpacker  [2015-11-15 10:39]:
> Hi,
> 
> there is a German government service that signs PGP keys??
> 
> What's the way to get it signed? Which institution?

It's here: https://pgp.governikus-eid.de/pgp/

But as you can see the signature is not working. And the signature for
my @gnupg.net UID didn't arrive at all.

Regards

Sebastian

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Re: What causes this bad signature

[Sebastian Wiesinger]

* da...@gbenet.com  [2015-11-15 03:06]:
> You can only use this signature for signing (not encrypting) and for 
> certification. Bad?
> There appears to be nothing bad about this public key - why would you get 16 
> people to sign
> a key if you were not going to communicate with them?

Hello,

my key is not bad, the signature by 0x5E5CCCB4A4BF43D7 is bad. The
question is why.

Regards

Sebastian

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Re: What causes this bad signature

[MFPA]

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Hi


On Sunday 15 November 2015 at 2:03:06 AM, in
, da...@gbenet.com wrote:


> why would you
> get 16 people to sign a key if you were not going to
> communicate with them?

Don't people do that at keysigning parties, to strengthen the Web of
Trust?


- --
Best regards

MFPA  

Act normal and the crowd will accept you.
Act deranged and they will make you their leader.
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Re: What causes this bad signature

[Martin Behrendt]

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On 14/11/15 20:28, Sebastian Wiesinger wrote:
> Hello, [...]
> 
>  sig!3   P0x58A2D94A93A0B9CE 2015-03-27
> never   Sebastian Wiesinger  sig-3
> 1 0x5E5CCCB4A4BF43D7 2015-11-14 never   Governikus OpenPGP
> Signaturservice (Neuer Personalausweis) 

Am 15.11.2015 um 09:46 schrieb gnupgpacker:
> Hi,
> 
> there is a German government service that signs PGP keys??
> 
> What's the way to get it signed? Which institution?
> 
> Thanks, Chris


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Re: What causes this bad signature

[gnupgpacker]

Hi,

there is a German government service that signs PGP keys??

What's the way to get it signed? Which institution?

Thanks, Chris

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> To: gnupg-users@gnupg.org
> Subject: Gnupg-users Digest, Vol 146, Issue 7
> 
> Today's Topics:
> 
>1. What causes this bad signature (Sebastian Wiesinger)
>2. Re: What causes this bad signature (da...@gbenet.com)
> --
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 21:28:09 +0100
> From: Sebastian Wiesinger 
> To: GnuPG Help and Discussion 
> Subject: What causes this bad signature
> Message-ID: <20151114202809.ga7...@danton.fire-world.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hello,
> 
> for fun I tried a German government (or public-private partnership)
> service that signs your PGP key if your name on a uid matches the
> electronic data on your ID card (Neuer Personalausweis, nPA). I tried
> this and got my signed key back. I tried to import it into my keyring
> and imagine my surprise when it didn't show up. Reason being: I have
> "import-options import-clean" set and the signature is somehow bad.
> 
> Is there a way to see why the signature is bad? If I decide to let
> them know that their service fails I would like to be able to tell
> them what they did wrong.
> 
> My key is 0x58A2D94A93A0B9CE and their signature comes from
> 0x5E5CCCB4A4BF43D7:
> 
> pub   2048R/0x58A2D94A93A0B9CE 2009-08-11
> uid [ultimate] Sebastian Wiesinger 
> sig!3   P0x58A2D94A93A0B9CE 2015-03-27 never   Sebastian Wiesinger
> 
> sig-3  1 0x5E5CCCB4A4BF43D7 2015-11-14 never   Governikus OpenPGP
> Signaturservice (Neuer Personalausweis) 
> 
> I attached the signed key for your interest.
> 
> Regards Sebastian
> 
> --
> GPG Key: 0x93A0B9CE (F4F6 B1A3 866B 26E9 450A  9D82 58A2 D94A 93A0 B9CE)
> 'Are you Death?' ... IT'S THE SCYTHE, ISN'T IT? PEOPLE ALWAYS NOTICE THE
> SCYTHE.
>         -- Terry Pratchett, The Fifth Elephant
> --
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 02:03:06 +
> From: "da...@gbenet.com" 
> To: gnupg-users@gnupg.org
> Subject: Re: What causes this bad signature
> Message-ID: <5647e7da.6020...@gbenet.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> On 14/11/15 20:28, Sebastian Wiesinger wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > for fun I tried a German government (or public-private partnership)
> > service that signs your PGP key if your name on a uid matches the
> > electronic data on your ID card (Neuer Personalausweis, nPA). I tried
> > this and got my signed key back. I tried to import it into my keyring
> > and imagine my surprise when it didn't show up. Reason being: I have
> > "import-options import-clean" set and the signature is somehow bad.
> >
> > Is there a way to see why the signature is bad? If I decide to let
> > them know that their service fails I would like to be able to tell
> > them what they did wrong.
> >
> > My key is 0x58A2D94A93A0B9CE and their signature comes from
> > 0x5E5CCCB4A4BF43D7:
> >
> > pub   2048R/0x58A2D94A93A0B9CE 2009-08-11
> > uid [ultimate] Sebastian Wiesinger
> 
> > sig!3   P0x58A2D94A93A0B9CE 2015-03-27 never   Sebastian
> Wiesinger 
> > sig-3  1 0x5E5CCCB4A4BF43D7 2015-11-14 never   Governikus
> OpenPGP Signaturservice (Neuer Personalausweis) 
> >
> > I attached the signed key for your interest.
> >
> > Regards Sebastian


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Re: What causes this bad signature

[da...@gbenet.com]

On 14/11/15 20:28, Sebastian Wiesinger wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> for fun I tried a German government (or public-private partnership)
> service that signs your PGP key if your name on a uid matches the
> electronic data on your ID card (Neuer Personalausweis, nPA). I tried
> this and got my signed key back. I tried to import it into my keyring
> and imagine my surprise when it didn't show up. Reason being: I have
> "import-options import-clean" set and the signature is somehow bad.
> 
> Is there a way to see why the signature is bad? If I decide to let
> them know that their service fails I would like to be able to tell
> them what they did wrong.
> 
> My key is 0x58A2D94A93A0B9CE and their signature comes from
> 0x5E5CCCB4A4BF43D7:
> 
> pub   2048R/0x58A2D94A93A0B9CE 2009-08-11
> uid [ultimate] Sebastian Wiesinger 
> sig!3   P0x58A2D94A93A0B9CE 2015-03-27 never   Sebastian Wiesinger 
> 
> sig-3  1 0x5E5CCCB4A4BF43D7 2015-11-14 never   Governikus OpenPGP 
> Signaturservice (Neuer Personalausweis) 
> 
> I attached the signed key for your interest.
> 
> Regards Sebastian
> 
> 
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Sabastian,

Your key has been signed by 16 other people - all unknown. No ID apart from one 
65D0FD58 -
CA Cert Signing Authority (Root CA)  though your key is fully 
detailed at
http://keys.gnupg.net/pks/lookup?search=+0x58A2D94A93A0B9CE&op=vindex - may be 
you need to
download your public key from a key server - always a good idea when you have 
uploaded it
after your key has been signed.

You can only use this signature for signing (not encrypting) and for 
certification. Bad?
There appears to be nothing bad about this public key - why would you get 16 
people to sign
a key if you were not going to communicate with them?

David




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What causes this bad signature

[Sebastian Wiesinger]

Hello,

for fun I tried a German government (or public-private partnership)
service that signs your PGP key if your name on a uid matches the
electronic data on your ID card (Neuer Personalausweis, nPA). I tried
this and got my signed key back. I tried to import it into my keyring
and imagine my surprise when it didn't show up. Reason being: I have
"import-options import-clean" set and the signature is somehow bad.

Is there a way to see why the signature is bad? If I decide to let
them know that their service fails I would like to be able to tell
them what they did wrong.

My key is 0x58A2D94A93A0B9CE and their signature comes from
0x5E5CCCB4A4BF43D7:

pub   2048R/0x58A2D94A93A0B9CE 2009-08-11
uid [ultimate] Sebastian Wiesinger 
sig!3   P0x58A2D94A93A0B9CE 2015-03-27 never   Sebastian Wiesinger 

sig-3  1 0x5E5CCCB4A4BF43D7 2015-11-14 never   Governikus OpenPGP 
Signaturservice (Neuer Personalausweis) 

I attached the signed key for your interest.

Regards Sebastian

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