Re: Project Center status, or lack thereof...
On 7/7/07, Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I would like to get this fixed at some point. PC is one of our core applications and it should work with the latest release, but yet it's not gnustep-make 2.0 compliant which, basically, renders it useless. See this comment: As can be seen, I did not create a ProjectCenter packages because the current release ( 0.4.3) does not work with make 2.0! I do request that a new version be release to conform to the current make release. I've been thinking lately about plans to integrate Gorm and ProjectCenter... to have better communication between them.I would prefer to have someone to work with on this instead of doing it all myself as my work load for my company has increased dramatically lately (yes... running a consulting company takes time and effort). My sincerest apologies to Serge, but I would appreciate it if anyone who is interested in maintaining PC would let me know. Maybe it is worth to merge ProjectManager (http://home.gna.org/pmanager/) which seems to have better text editing (syntax highlight, rulers). Copyright assignment from Sašo is probably needed. Yen-Ju Thanks, GJC -- Gregory Casamento ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Project Center status, or lack thereof...
I believe that this is worth looking into at this point. -- Gregory Casamento - Original Message From: Yen-Ju Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: GNUstep Developers gnustep-dev@gnu.org Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2007 1:03:21 PM Subject: Re: Project Center status, or lack thereof... On 7/7/07, Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I would like to get this fixed at some point. PC is one of our core applications and it should work with the latest release, but yet it's not gnustep-make 2.0 compliant which, basically, renders it useless. See this comment: As can be seen, I did not create a ProjectCenter packages because the current release ( 0.4.3) does not work with make 2.0! I do request that a new version be release to conform to the current make release. I've been thinking lately about plans to integrate Gorm and ProjectCenter... to have better communication between them.I would prefer to have someone to work with on this instead of doing it all myself as my work load for my company has increased dramatically lately (yes... running a consulting company takes time and effort). My sincerest apologies to Serge, but I would appreciate it if anyone who is interested in maintaining PC would let me know. Maybe it is worth to merge ProjectManager (http://home.gna.org/pmanager/) which seems to have better text editing (syntax highlight, rulers). Copyright assignment from Sašo is probably needed. Yen-Ju Thanks, GJC -- Gregory Casamento ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Project Center status, or lack thereof...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 I would love to see more work being done on PM (either by me, or others), since I haven't had much motivation lately (nobody used it, at least not that I would know...). Integration into the GNUstep project itself is a problematic issue. I have no problem releasing all code for it under GNU GPL 2 - make no mistake, I love free software and the ideas behind it and I support them. However, recent FSF work on GPL 3 has raised my eyebrows quite often. BSD licenses, on the other hand, appear to me to be a bit too liberal. I just don't see the reason for a copyright assignment, when the same effect can be achieved with a proper free software license (GNU GPL 2), which makes sure that free software stays free. Anyways, I don't want this discussion to turn over into an overly bloated law-oriented flamewar of licenses and copyrights. If we agree that PM in GNUstep is a good thing *based on technical merits* and a copyright assignment is required to do so, I would probably sign it. I think the free software world is lately spending too much time talking about law and too little about code. And besides - in my country the law states that I cannot hand down my copyrights to anything I create :-) I can grant anybody I want the same rights, but my own rights 'stick' forever onto me :-P - -- Saso Gregory John Casamento wrote: I believe that this is worth looking into at this point. -- Gregory Casamento - Original Message From: Yen-Ju Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: GNUstep Developers gnustep-dev@gnu.org Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2007 1:03:21 PM Subject: Re: Project Center status, or lack thereof... On 7/7/07, Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I would like to get this fixed at some point. PC is one of our core applications and it should work with the latest release, but yet it's not gnustep-make 2.0 compliant which, basically, renders it useless. See this comment: As can be seen, I did not create a ProjectCenter packages because the current release ( 0.4.3) does not work with make 2.0! I do request that a new version be release to conform to the current make release. I've been thinking lately about plans to integrate Gorm and ProjectCenter... to have better communication between them.I would prefer to have someone to work with on this instead of doing it all myself as my work load for my company has increased dramatically lately (yes... running a consulting company takes time and effort). My sincerest apologies to Serge, but I would appreciate it if anyone who is interested in maintaining PC would let me know. Maybe it is worth to merge ProjectManager (http://home.gna.org/pmanager/) which seems to have better text editing (syntax highlight, rulers). Copyright assignment from Sašo is probably needed. Yen-Ju Thanks, GJC -- Gregory Casamento ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGkWDEakxhuWWzY78RA/SkAJ9xst3Ep/FS7gzUCeFp4shLX4R8aQCffbYR p1bkqjnYuxJ3rPqIA06GgsM= =I6o0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Project Center status, or lack thereof...
On 7/8/07, Sašo Kiselkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 I would love to see more work being done on PM (either by me, or others), since I haven't had much motivation lately (nobody used it, at least not that I would know...). Integration into the GNUstep project itself is a problematic issue. I have no problem releasing all code for it under GNU GPL 2 - make no mistake, I love free software and the ideas behind it and I support them. However, recent FSF work on GPL 3 has raised my eyebrows quite often. BSD licenses, on the other hand, appear to me to be a bit too liberal. I just don't see the reason for a copyright assignment, when the same effect can be achieved with a proper free software license (GNU GPL 2), which makes sure that free software stays free. Anyways, I don't want this discussion to turn over into an overly bloated law-oriented flamewar of licenses and copyrights. If we agree that PM in GNUstep is a good thing *based on technical merits* and a copyright assignment is required to do so, I would probably sign it. I think the free software world is lately spending too much time talking about law and too little about code. And besides - in my country the law states that I cannot hand down my copyrights to anything I create :-) I can grant anybody I want the same rights, but my own rights 'stick' forever onto me :-P I share the same view of GPL3 as Saso mostly. There is a GNUstep Non-FSF project: https://gna.org/projects/gnustep-nonfsf/ If ProjectCenter is moved to this Non-FSF project, it will stay in GPL2 in case FSF decides to move the whole GNUstep into GPL3. But I think it is the decision of the future maintainer. So I will stop here. :) Yen-Ju - -- Saso Gregory John Casamento wrote: I believe that this is worth looking into at this point. -- Gregory Casamento - Original Message From: Yen-Ju Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: GNUstep Developers gnustep-dev@gnu.org Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2007 1:03:21 PM Subject: Re: Project Center status, or lack thereof... On 7/7/07, Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I would like to get this fixed at some point. PC is one of our core applications and it should work with the latest release, but yet it's not gnustep-make 2.0 compliant which, basically, renders it useless. See this comment: As can be seen, I did not create a ProjectCenter packages because the current release ( 0.4.3) does not work with make 2.0! I do request that a new version be release to conform to the current make release. I've been thinking lately about plans to integrate Gorm and ProjectCenter... to have better communication between them.I would prefer to have someone to work with on this instead of doing it all myself as my work load for my company has increased dramatically lately (yes... running a consulting company takes time and effort). My sincerest apologies to Serge, but I would appreciate it if anyone who is interested in maintaining PC would let me know. Maybe it is worth to merge ProjectManager (http://home.gna.org/pmanager/) which seems to have better text editing (syntax highlight, rulers). Copyright assignment from Sašo is probably needed. Yen-Ju Thanks, GJC -- Gregory Casamento ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGkWDEakxhuWWzY78RA/SkAJ9xst3Ep/FS7gzUCeFp4shLX4R8aQCffbYR p1bkqjnYuxJ3rPqIA06GgsM= =I6o0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Project Center status, or lack thereof...
Saso, I believe that the FSF has copyright assignments available for many different countries to deal with the local laws in each. I won't touch the debate on the GPLv3 issue at this time, as I know it's a sensitive issue for some and that's not the point of this discussion. :) I haven't looked at PM in a while. I will take a look at it's latest version and we can discuss this in more detail. Later, GJC -- Gregory Casamento - Original Message From: Yen-Ju Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sašo Kiselkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED]; GNUstep Developers gnustep-dev@gnu.org Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2007 6:56:37 PM Subject: Re: Project Center status, or lack thereof... On 7/8/07, Sašo Kiselkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 I would love to see more work being done on PM (either by me, or others), since I haven't had much motivation lately (nobody used it, at least not that I would know...). Integration into the GNUstep project itself is a problematic issue. I have no problem releasing all code for it under GNU GPL 2 - make no mistake, I love free software and the ideas behind it and I support them. However, recent FSF work on GPL 3 has raised my eyebrows quite often. BSD licenses, on the other hand, appear to me to be a bit too liberal. I just don't see the reason for a copyright assignment, when the same effect can be achieved with a proper free software license (GNU GPL 2), which makes sure that free software stays free. Anyways, I don't want this discussion to turn over into an overly bloated law-oriented flamewar of licenses and copyrights. If we agree that PM in GNUstep is a good thing *based on technical merits* and a copyright assignment is required to do so, I would probably sign it. I think the free software world is lately spending too much time talking about law and too little about code. And besides - in my country the law states that I cannot hand down my copyrights to anything I create :-) I can grant anybody I want the same rights, but my own rights 'stick' forever onto me :-P I share the same view of GPL3 as Saso mostly. There is a GNUstep Non-FSF project: https://gna.org/projects/gnustep-nonfsf/ If ProjectCenter is moved to this Non-FSF project, it will stay in GPL2 in case FSF decides to move the whole GNUstep into GPL3. But I think it is the decision of the future maintainer. So I will stop here. :) Yen-Ju - -- Saso Gregory John Casamento wrote: I believe that this is worth looking into at this point. -- Gregory Casamento - Original Message From: Yen-Ju Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: GNUstep Developers gnustep-dev@gnu.org Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2007 1:03:21 PM Subject: Re: Project Center status, or lack thereof... On 7/7/07, Gregory John Casamento [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I would like to get this fixed at some point. PC is one of our core applications and it should work with the latest release, but yet it's not gnustep-make 2.0 compliant which, basically, renders it useless. See this comment: As can be seen, I did not create a ProjectCenter packages because the current release ( 0.4.3) does not work with make 2.0! I do request that a new version be release to conform to the current make release. I've been thinking lately about plans to integrate Gorm and ProjectCenter... to have better communication between them.I would prefer to have someone to work with on this instead of doing it all myself as my work load for my company has increased dramatically lately (yes... running a consulting company takes time and effort). My sincerest apologies to Serge, but I would appreciate it if anyone who is interested in maintaining PC would let me know. Maybe it is worth to merge ProjectManager (http://home.gna.org/pmanager/) which seems to have better text editing (syntax highlight, rulers). Copyright assignment from Sašo is probably needed. Yen-Ju Thanks, GJC -- Gregory Casamento ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGkWDEakxhuWWzY78RA/SkAJ9xst3Ep/FS7gzUCeFp4shLX4R8aQCffbYR p1bkqjnYuxJ3rPqIA06GgsM= =I6o0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
