Re: Text Antialising bug [Re: GNOME Theme Improvements....]

2011-01-01 Thread Fred Kiefer
Am 28.12.2010 21:10, schrieb David Chisnall:
 More GNOME theme improvements...

 http://heronsperch.blogspot.com/2010/12/bean-running-with-gnome-native-theme-as.html
 
 
 This screenshot shows a bug with the text rendering in GNUstep.  I'm not sure 
 exactly what is causing it - it could be in the text rendering code in -gui, 
 in -back, or in the view that draws the text...
 
 If you zoom in on any of the text on a grey background, you can see that it 
 has a white halo.  It looks as if the text is being rendered as 
 black-on-white and then composited on top of the grey background.  Is the 
 background colour for rendering text being incorrectly set as white when 
 drawing into a transparent view? Or is this more subtle?

That's an interesting observation.

Greg, which backend did you use to create the screen shot and if this
was cairo, which version of cairo are you using?
I am still not able to use cairo with my OpenSuse 11.3 and the ATI
graphics driver. Otherwise I could test this myself, sorry.

Fred

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Re: Text Antialising bug [Re: GNOME Theme Improvements....]

2011-01-01 Thread Gregory Casamento
Hey Guys,

On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Fred Kiefer fredkie...@gmx.de wrote:
 Am 28.12.2010 21:10, schrieb David Chisnall:
 More GNOME theme improvements...

 http://heronsperch.blogspot.com/2010/12/bean-running-with-gnome-native-theme-as.html


 This screenshot shows a bug with the text rendering in GNUstep.  I'm not 
 sure exactly what is causing it - it could be in the text rendering code in 
 -gui, in -back, or in the view that draws the text...

 If you zoom in on any of the text on a grey background, you can see that it 
 has a white halo.  It looks as if the text is being rendered as 
 black-on-white and then composited on top of the grey background.  Is the 
 background colour for rendering text being incorrectly set as white when 
 drawing into a transparent view? Or is this more subtle?

 That's an interesting observation.

 Greg, which backend did you use to create the screen shot and if this
 was cairo, which version of cairo are you using?

It is cairo, here's the version...

ii  libcairo21.6.4-7
The Cairo 2D vector graphics library
ii  libcairo2-dev1.6.4-7
Development files for the Cairo 2D graphics library


 I am still not able to use cairo with my OpenSuse 11.3 and the ATI
 graphics driver. Otherwise I could test this myself, sorry.

 Fred

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Re: Text Antialising bug [Re: GNOME Theme Improvements....]

2011-01-01 Thread Eric Wasylishen
Text with GS + cairo looks fine to me - is this not just an artifact from the 
screenshot Gregory posted having been downscaled?

On 2011-01-01, at 8:52 AM, Gregory Casamento wrote:

 Hey Guys,
 
 On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Fred Kiefer fredkie...@gmx.de wrote:
 Am 28.12.2010 21:10, schrieb David Chisnall:
 More GNOME theme improvements...
 
 http://heronsperch.blogspot.com/2010/12/bean-running-with-gnome-native-theme-as.html
 
 
 This screenshot shows a bug with the text rendering in GNUstep.  I'm not 
 sure exactly what is causing it - it could be in the text rendering code in 
 -gui, in -back, or in the view that draws the text...
 
 If you zoom in on any of the text on a grey background, you can see that it 
 has a white halo.  It looks as if the text is being rendered as 
 black-on-white and then composited on top of the grey background.  Is the 
 background colour for rendering text being incorrectly set as white when 
 drawing into a transparent view? Or is this more subtle?
 
 That's an interesting observation.
 
 Greg, which backend did you use to create the screen shot and if this
 was cairo, which version of cairo are you using?
 
 It is cairo, here's the version...
 
 ii  libcairo21.6.4-7
 The Cairo 2D vector graphics library
 ii  libcairo2-dev1.6.4-7
 Development files for the Cairo 2D graphics library
 
 
 I am still not able to use cairo with my OpenSuse 11.3 and the ATI
 graphics driver. Otherwise I could test this myself, sorry.
 
 Fred
 
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Re: Text Antialising bug [Re: GNOME Theme Improvements....]

2011-01-01 Thread Banlu Kemiyatorn
Looks like low quality jpeg compression to me.

my ss has it too but only around the mice

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_hgWF81Upeu4/TR-CmdKS-dI/AHA/1ZXc0pCEP2k/s1600/.jpg


..okay, that was just a shameless advertisement injection.

- Original message -
 Hey Guys,
 
 On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Fred Kiefer fredkie...@gmx.de wrote:
  Am 28.12.2010 21:10, schrieb David Chisnall:
More GNOME theme improvements...

http://heronsperch.blogspot.com/2010/12/bean-running-with-gnome-native-theme-as.html
   
   
   This screenshot shows a bug with the text rendering in GNUstep.  I'm
   not sure exactly what is causing it - it could be in the text
   rendering code in -gui, in -back, or in the view that draws the
   text...
   
   If you zoom in on any of the text on a grey background, you can see
   that it has a white halo.  It looks as if the text is being rendered
   as black-on-white and then composited on top of the grey background.
    Is the background colour for rendering text being incorrectly set
   as white when drawing into a transparent view? Or is this more
   subtle?
  
  That's an interesting observation.
  
  Greg, which backend did you use to create the screen shot and if this
  was cairo, which version of cairo are you using?
 
 It is cairo, here's the version...
 
 ii   libcairo2                                                       1.6.4-7
 The Cairo 2D vector graphics library
 ii   libcairo2-dev                                               1.6.4-7
 Development files for the Cairo 2D graphics library
 
 
  I am still not able to use cairo with my OpenSuse 11.3 and the ATI
  graphics driver. Otherwise I could test this myself, sorry.
  
  Fred
  
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Re: Text Antialising bug [Re: GNOME Theme Improvements....]

2011-01-01 Thread David Chisnall
On 1 Jan 2011, at 21:22, Banlu Kemiyatorn wrote:

 Looks like low quality jpeg compression to me. 

Except that the screenshot is a png...

 my ss has it too but only around the mice 


Interestingly, your screenshot doesn't have it around the text.  Which back end 
are you using?

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Re: Text Antialising bug [Re: GNOME Theme Improvements....]

2011-01-01 Thread Jens Ayton
On Jan 1, 2011, at 22:17, David Chisnall wrote:
 
 On 1 Jan 2011, at 21:22, Banlu Kemiyatorn wrote:
 
 Looks like low quality jpeg compression to me. 
 
 Except that the screenshot is a png...

There are severe haloing artefacts around all edges in that picture, not just 
text. There's also a very faint, blurred grid of about 30x30 px squares 
(typically an effect of buggy sampling code), but little to no noise. It looks 
more like a sharpening filter than JPEG artefacts.


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Re: Text Antialising bug [Re: GNOME Theme Improvements....]

2011-01-01 Thread Banlu Kemiyatorn
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:17 AM, David Chisnall thera...@sucs.org wrote:
 On 1 Jan 2011, at 21:22, Banlu Kemiyatorn wrote:

 Looks like low quality jpeg compression to me.

 Except that the screenshot is a png...

Right, I actually viewed the header but I guessed it was converted
back from some pipe-line. I believe Eric  Jens are right though. Greg
seems to be too busy to clarify the point, we are glad you have life!

 my ss has it too but only around the mice


 Interestingly, your screenshot doesn't have it around the text.  Which back 
 end are you using?

It was Art, here's a Cairo version
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WFE4wEfTeTI/TR_Xgi1y6bI/A1I/mOlvAo_NdTU/s1600/.jpg

 David

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Re: Text Antialising bug [Re: GNOME Theme Improvements....]

2011-01-01 Thread Gregory Casamento
Never too busy.   This is what I thought it was a while back when
David and I first talked since the picture is not full sized.   I
deliberately reduced it's size for display on the blog.   Blogger.com
gives the option to scale the picture down and I used that.  I believe
that the rendering issues are artifacts from the scale-down process.

Could someone bring up the changes on their locale system to see if
this happens in a live application?

Thanks. GC

On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Banlu Kemiyatorn obj...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:17 AM, David Chisnall thera...@sucs.org wrote:
 On 1 Jan 2011, at 21:22, Banlu Kemiyatorn wrote:

 Looks like low quality jpeg compression to me.

 Except that the screenshot is a png...

 Right, I actually viewed the header but I guessed it was converted
 back from some pipe-line. I believe Eric  Jens are right though. Greg
 seems to be too busy to clarify the point, we are glad you have life!

 my ss has it too but only around the mice


 Interestingly, your screenshot doesn't have it around the text.  Which back 
 end are you using?

 It was Art, here's a Cairo version
 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WFE4wEfTeTI/TR_Xgi1y6bI/A1I/mOlvAo_NdTU/s1600/.jpg

 David

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