Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Adam Fedor]

On Mar 20, 2009, at 5:46 AM, David Chisnall wrote:



Did we get any feedback on why our application was rejected?  It  
seems odd that GNUstep would be accepted two years in a row and then  
the combined application would be rejected.




Nope.  I don't know why, other than they generally accepted fewer  
organizations this year than last.


Other criteria included how well our students did last year (which was  
not that great):


http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/orgcriteria


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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[David Chisnall]

On 19 Mar 2009, at 13:49, Adam Fedor wrote:



On Mar 18, 2009, at 8:50 PM, Jesse Ross wrote:


On Mar 18, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Eric Wasylishen wrote:

Unfortunately, it looks like GNUstep (and Étoilé) were not  
accepted this year :(

http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009


Can GNUstep be considered as a part of the GNU Project, which did  
get accepted?


They have their own list, but it's really up to the student to  
submit a proposal and see if it gets accepted by the GNU team.


Did we get any feedback on why our application was rejected?  It seems  
odd that GNUstep would be accepted two years in a row and then the  
combined application would be rejected.


David

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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Adam Fedor]

On Mar 18, 2009, at 8:50 PM, Jesse Ross wrote:


On Mar 18, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Eric Wasylishen wrote:

Unfortunately, it looks like GNUstep (and Étoilé) were not accepted  
this year :(

http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009


Can GNUstep be considered as a part of the GNU Project, which did  
get accepted?


They have their own list, but it's really up to the student to submit  
a proposal and see if it gets accepted by the GNU team.


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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Jesse Ross]

On Mar 18, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Eric Wasylishen wrote:

Unfortunately, it looks like GNUstep (and Étoilé) were not accepted  
this year :(

http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009


Can GNUstep be considered as a part of the GNU Project, which did get  
accepted?


J.

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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Eric Wasylishen]

Unfortunately, it looks like GNUstep (and Étoilé) were not accepted this year :(
http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009


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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Markus Hitter]

Am 12.03.2009 um 16:47 schrieb Xavier Glattard:


Adam Fedor a écrit :


Also, please try to make sure any ideas are something that could  
easily get done by a student in a summer (so, perhaps, it is  
something you could do in a month of work).


Then I have to forget half of my ideas : in most case I'm not sure  
of anything. Some ports might look easy (small apps), but will  
involve a lot of CF conversion. I agree : some of my suggested  
projects might be huge for one student. But for 2 ? And I could  
keep on the work when the summer will gone for some of these  
projects in which I'm interested.


I'm sure nobody could port OpenOffice in a summer. But this project  
might lead to some CoreFoundation compatible functions :)


I fear it isn't very encouraging to start a project if you already  
know it isn't doable in the given time frame. If you plan for 4  
weeks, however, you still often have to rush to get done in 2 months.  
There are quirks, there are unexpected bugs, there are unforseen  
delays and average students are usually no GNUstep experts. Better a  
small thing done well and debugged than yet another half baked, dust  
assembling pile of code.


You are working on CoreData? How about a student coworker doing a  
CoreData <-> PostgeSQL backend?



my $0.02
MarKus


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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Xavier Glattard]

Adam Fedor a écrit :


On Mar 12, 2009, at 7:14 AM, Xavier Glattard wrote:



Huh... I can't : the page is locked. What do I need to do ?
Or maybe someone could insert the attached file... Thanks!
And please add my name in the list of mentors : Xavier Glattard


Please send a mail to webmasters AT gnustep.org with your wiki login 
name so that you can get write privileges.


Done, thanks :)

Also, please try to make sure any ideas are something that could easily 
get done by a student in a summer (so, perhaps, it is something you 
could do in a month of work). 


Then I have to forget half of my ideas : in most case I'm not sure of 
anything. Some ports might look easy (small apps), but will involve a 
lot of CF conversion. I agree : some of my suggested projects might be 
huge for one student. But for 2 ? And I could keep on the work when the 
summer will gone for some of these projects in which I'm interested.


I'm sure nobody could port OpenOffice in a summer. But this project 
might lead to some CoreFoundation compatible functions :)

Porting WebKit would also be a huge task.

Should I leave some of my ideas ? OpenOffice ? Gecko ?

Also, I hope to concentrate on ideas that 
would get us towards a GNUstep 1.0 release faster (i.e. fixing up the 
rough edges).


I work on GNUstep since months and I only start to (mis)understand some 
 small parts. Students might be smarter than I'm, but nobody is very 
efficient in debugging/enhancing an unknown program.

Well, I'm not :\

- Regards
-- Xavier


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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Adam Fedor]

On Mar 12, 2009, at 7:14 AM, Xavier Glattard wrote:



Huh... I can't : the page is locked. What do I need to do ?
Or maybe someone could insert the attached file... Thanks!
And please add my name in the list of mentors : Xavier Glattard


Please send a mail to webmasters AT gnustep.org with your wiki login  
name so that you can get write privileges.



Also, please try to make sure any ideas are something that could  
easily get done by a student in a summer (so, perhaps, it is something  
you could do in a month of work). Also, I hope to concentrate on ideas  
that would get us towards a GNUstep 1.0 release faster (i.e. fixing up  
the rough edges).



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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Xavier Glattard]

Xavier Glattard a écrit :


If there is no objection I will soon add these ideas in the list.


Huh... I can't : the page is locked. What do I need to do ?
Or maybe someone could insert the attached file... Thanks!
And please add my name in the list of mentors : Xavier Glattard




* '''Backend'''
** ''Unified backend'' : Win32 and X11 backends share a lot of functionalities. 
Many of them might be provided by a base class. The student would have to find 
out these functions shared by both backend, design an interface to theses 
functions, and adapt the current backend classes that would then use the new 
interface.
** ''Cairo/DirectFB backend'' : a DirectFB backend for GNUstep would run on 
low-end embedded devices. As Cairo can already draw on a DirectFB surface, the 
project concern the system part of the backend and the access to low level 
resources through DirectFB. The student would have to understand both GNUstep 
backend and DirectFB interface, and link them through a standardized interface 
(see above).
** ''Cairo/Glitz/OpenGL backend'' : Glitz is an OpenGL backend for Cairo 
graphics. Today in an alpha stage, Glitz based GNUstep graphic backend gives 
access to hardware accelerated graphics on platforms that only implement OpenGL 
(or OpenGL-ES) functions like some embedded devices. It might be used along 
with a DirectFB backend (see above). Glitz itself is in a beta stage and not 
actively maintained.

* '''AppKit'''
** ''NSMovie/QTMovie class'' : on Mac OSX, the NSMovie (now deprecated) and 
QTMovie classes are based on QuickTime Apple tecnologies. GNUstep compatible 
classes might be based on open source ans multiplatform technologies like 
[http://www.videolan.org VideoLAN]
** NSOpenGLPixelBuffer : this class has been introduced in Mac OSX 10.5. It 
might be useful for any modern OpenGL application.

* '''Core Data''': A CoreData compatible library is today in a beta stage and 
needs some improvements.
** ''NSPersistentStore concrete classes'' based on SQLite, XML, binary, etc. 
backends.
** ''DataBuilder.app'' is a graphical application for designing data models. 
The GUI needs some improvement. Moreover DataBuilder should be turn into a true 
CoreData application.
** ''File formats compatibility'' with Cocoa, including model files. 

* ''' GAP'''
** Some applications that run a Cocoa GUI could be ported to GNUstep:
*** ''Vim GUI'' : at least two cocoa-based gui projects already exist - 
[http://www.ohloh.net/p/vim-cocoa vim-cocoa] and [http://macvim.org/OSX mac-vim]
*** ''Mozilla Gecko'' : at least one cocoa project - [http://caminobrowser.org/ 
Camino] (used to be Chimera). Cocoa is now officially supported by Mozilla with 
[https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mac:Cocoa_Widgets Cocoa Widgets]. See also 
[http://www.artlogic.com/resources/embedding-mozilla Embedding Mozilla in Mac 
OS X Cocoa Apps]
*** ''OpenOffice'' : [http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/download/aqua.html OOo 
Aqua] has been released some weeks ago.
*** [http://www.videolan.org/vlc VLC media player] : a Cocoa based interface 
exists for VLC.
*** ''[http://www.sbrain.org/nethack3d NetHack3D]'' is a Cocoa port of 
[http://www.nethack.org NetHack] with 3D graphics.
** 
''[http://www.cilinder.be/docs/next/NeXTStep/3.3/nd/GeneralRef/17_3DKit/Intro3DKit.htmld/index.html
 3DKit] enables NEXTSTEP applications to model and render 3-dimensional 
scenes''. It is now obsolete. A new 3D engine, with modern graphic technologies 
would be useful.
** ''OpenGL extensions management API'': before using an OpenGL extension a 
program must first determine its availability. The mechanism for doing this is 
platform-specific and libraries such as [[w:GLEW]] and [[w:GLEE]] exist to 
simplify the process. The target of this project is a multiplatform Objective-C 
wrapper around OpenGL platform-specific functions.
** ''HID API'': GNUstep can only handle the usual ''human interface devices'' 
(HID) : keyboard and mouse. A multiplatform framework would allow  GNUstep 
application to handle joystick, graphic tablet or 3D device.

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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Xavier Glattard]

Hi,

Riccardo Mottola a écrit :

Hi Xavier,


Does GAP stand for "Application project" ? Does that mean that any 
GNUstep/Cocoa based project could be submitted ? And not only GNUstep 
specific.

- new 3DKit
- multiplatform OpenGL extensions API (glu-like)
- multiplatform HID API : joystick...
Or any graphic or gaming related project in which some students will 
surely be interested.


Well GAP stands for GNUstep Application Project. So The focus is 
GNUstep, not just any application. We strive to be cross-platform with 
Cocoa though and have several applications ported /from/ OpenStep or 
Cocoa as well as ported /to/ them.


Currenly GAP has a lot of applications, several of them never announced 
because they are far from complete. My biggest interest would be to 
finish them off, but this is of course not so interesting for a student. 
The only exception might be FlexiSheet.


A project could be: take application X and port it to gnustep.
Another one could be: write one from scratch.

(...)
Instead of Games, I think user application, office appplication, 
developer applications and system tools are far more important (but 
maybe less cool for students).

(...)

Of course, theses projects would be x-Step based.
I thought of some simple projects and some more difficult ones.

I dont think we should spend many time on dead or forgotten apps, like 
Flexisheet. A GNUstep gui would be fine, but would die soon because of 
the lack of an application maintainer. That would also occur in th case 
of an application written from scratch.


IMHO OpenOffice for GNUstep might be more promising than FlexiSheet, 
despite OpenOffice is not a so good application. Gnumeric (Gnome) or 
KSpread (KDE) might also be good candidates, even if only the core 
engine is used.


But I agree with you : a good x-Step based speadsheet would be more 
interesting than any classic spreadsheet port ;)


-- Xavier





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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Riccardo Mottola]

Hi Xavier,



>
> Does GAP stand for "Application project" ? Does that mean that any
> GNUstep/Cocoa based project could be submitted ? And not only GNUstep
> specific.
> - new 3DKit
> - multiplatform OpenGL extensions API (glu-like)
> - multiplatform HID API : joystick...
> Or any graphic or gaming related project in which some students will
> surely be interested.

Well GAP stands for GNUstep Application Project. So The focus is
GNUstep, not just any application. We strive to be cross-platform with
Cocoa though and have several applications ported /from/ OpenStep or
Cocoa as well as ported /to/ them.

Currenly GAP has a lot of applications, several of them never announced
because they are far from complete. My biggest interest would be to
finish them off, but this is of course not so interesting for a student.
The only exception might be FlexiSheet.

A project could be: take application X and port it to gnustep.
Another one could be: write one from scratch.

If the app interests me but, more importantly, it is in a field I
understand I could even offer myself for mentoring. Currently I do not
have enough time even to make a proper project proposal, but that should
get better soon.

Instead of Games, I think user application, office appplication,
developer applications and system tools are far more important (but
maybe less cool for students).

>
>
> Some open source Cocoa applications might be ported to GNUstep:
> - Vim GUI : two cocoa-based gui projects already exist
> - Mozilla Gecko : many cocoa projects
> - OpenOffice : released some week ago
> - VLC
> - NetHack3D
> http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?CocoaOpen
> http://osx.hyperjeff.net/Apps/apps?sub=100&t=1&s=on
Out of personal interest, Vim on GNUstep would be excellent :)

OpenOffice is a big project, but that would be very very interesting!

Riccardo
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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Fred Kiefer]

Xavier Glattard wrote:
> Adam Fedor a écrit :
>>
>> On Mar 10, 2009, at 7:25 AM, Xavier Glattard wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know what are the requirements for mentors, but I would be
>>> glad to help and take care of one small project :)
>>
>> A big factor in how many students google gives us is the number of
>> students who apply to work with us, so the more ideas and more
>> advertisement we get, the better chance to get more students and more
>> work done.
> 
> So i just have to add my name and (many) ideas in the lists ?
> 
> I don't live in a big city. I can think of 2 or 3 tiny computer
> engineering schools nearby (less than 100km). Around 100 students. I
> don't expect many of these students would apply to work on GNUstep.
> Do we have to rely on Google for advertisement ?

Don't worry about location. Last year I never met the person I was
mentoring direct, although it might have helped.
But time difference is really an issue, if it takes a full day to get a
reply to a question (or at least for a full round trip) the process gets
tedious.
As Adam explained, the whole process isn't well suited for non-American
students, but there isn't much, we can do about that.

For this year, if we have enough mentors I was thinking about having two
mentors per student. As far as I know, Google doesn't support that
concept directly, but it surely would have helped me last year having a
co-mentor to discuss how to deal with the student and to give support
while I was on holiday.


> As I'm working on gscoredata I can submit some ideas about it. Some of
> the already submitted ideas will still apply after my work.
> http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Summer_Of_Code_Ideas
> - SQLite, XML, binary, etc. NSPersistentStore subclasses
> - improve DataBuilder.app
> - file formats compatible with Cocoa, including model.
> 
> About the backend :
> - unified backend : Windows and X11 backends share a lot of
> functionalities...
> - Cairo/Glitz/OpenGL backend : needs some work on Glitz I'm afraid
> - Cairo/DirectFB backend : someone posted here about that some
> months ago
> 
> About AppKit:
> - NSMovie/QTMovie class based on vlc or other...
> - NSOpenGLPixelBuffer class
> 
> Does GAP stand for "Application project" ? Does that mean that any
> GNUstep/Cocoa based project could be submitted ? And not only GNUstep
> specific.
> - new 3DKit
> - multiplatform OpenGL extensions API (glu-like)
> - multiplatform HID API : joystick...
> Or any graphic or gaming related project in which some students will
> surely be interested.
> 
> 
> Some open source Cocoa applications might be ported to GNUstep:
> - Vim GUI : two cocoa-based gui projects already exist
> - Mozilla Gecko : many cocoa projects
> - OpenOffice : released some week ago
> - VLC
> - NetHack3D
> http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?CocoaOpen
> http://osx.hyperjeff.net/Apps/apps?sub=100&t=1&s=on
> 
> If there is no objection I will soon add these ideas in the list.

These sound great to me.


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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Xavier Glattard]

Adam Fedor a écrit :


On Mar 10, 2009, at 7:25 AM, Xavier Glattard wrote:

I don't know what are the requirements for mentors, but I would be 
glad to help and take care of one small project :)


A big factor in how many students google gives us is the number of 
students who apply to work with us, so the more ideas and more 
advertisement we get, the better chance to get more students and more 
work done.


So i just have to add my name and (many) ideas in the lists ?

I don't live in a big city. I can think of 2 or 3 tiny computer 
engineering schools nearby (less than 100km). Around 100 students. I 
don't expect many of these students would apply to work on GNUstep.

Do we have to rely on Google for advertisement ?

As I'm working on gscoredata I can submit some ideas about it. Some of 
the already submitted ideas will still apply after my work. 
http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Summer_Of_Code_Ideas

- SQLite, XML, binary, etc. NSPersistentStore subclasses
- improve DataBuilder.app
- file formats compatible with Cocoa, including model.

About the backend :
- unified backend : Windows and X11 backends share a lot of
functionalities...
- Cairo/Glitz/OpenGL backend : needs some work on Glitz I'm afraid
- Cairo/DirectFB backend : someone posted here about that some
months ago

About AppKit:
- NSMovie/QTMovie class based on vlc or other...
- NSOpenGLPixelBuffer class

Does GAP stand for "Application project" ? Does that mean that any 
GNUstep/Cocoa based project could be submitted ? And not only GNUstep 
specific.

- new 3DKit
- multiplatform OpenGL extensions API (glu-like)
- multiplatform HID API : joystick...
Or any graphic or gaming related project in which some students will 
surely be interested.



Some open source Cocoa applications might be ported to GNUstep:
- Vim GUI : two cocoa-based gui projects already exist
- Mozilla Gecko : many cocoa projects
- OpenOffice : released some week ago
- VLC
- NetHack3D
http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?CocoaOpen
http://osx.hyperjeff.net/Apps/apps?sub=100&t=1&s=on

If there is no objection I will soon add these ideas in the list.

- Regards
-- Xavier




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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Eric Wasylishen]

> FYI, some info on Google's SoC:
> http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html
>
> Being a mentor involves working with a student, answering questions, making
> sure they are making progress and finishing their project. It can take 5
> hours or more per week depending on how much you put into it, but by far the
> most important process is vetting the student BEFORE they begin to make sure
> they really know what they are getting in to and that they can do the work.
> It helps to live close to the student (in the same country or speak the same
> language). We always get a lot of European students. The unfortunate part is
> that Google bases their calendar on the US school schedule which is often
> different from European schedules.
>

This also looks like a helpful page:
http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors


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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Adam Fedor]

On Mar 10, 2009, at 7:25 AM, Xavier Glattard wrote:

I don't know what are the requirements for mentors, but I would be  
glad to help and take care of one small project :)


FYI, some info on Google's SoC:

http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html

Being a mentor involves working with a student, answering questions,  
making sure they are making progress and finishing their project. It  
can take 5 hours or more per week depending on how much you put into  
it, but by far the most important process is vetting the student  
BEFORE they begin to make sure they really know what they are getting  
in to and that they can do the work. It helps to live close to the  
student (in the same country or speak the same language). We always  
get a lot of European students. The unfortunate part is that Google  
bases their calendar on the US school schedule which is often  
different from European schedules.



The process works like this:

- You submit ideas for projects
- Students look over them and decide if they want to do them or  
propose their own ideas

- You rank the students and their ideas by how good you think they are.
- Google gives you a set number of students they will fund. The top  
ranking students then get funded.


A big factor in how many students google gives us is the number of  
students who apply to work with us, so the more ideas and more  
advertisement we get, the better chance to get more students and more  
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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Sebastian Reitenbach]

On Tuesday 10 March 2009 03:46:21 pm Adam Fedor wrote:
> On Mar 10, 2009, at 7:05 AM, Quentin Mathé wrote:
> > Great, thanks Adam :-)
> >
> > I just reorganized the GNUstep SoC page a bit by dividing Ideas into
> > four project-specific sections:
> > http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Summer_Of_Code_2009
>
> The SoC page mentions Opengroupware as participating with GNUstep, but
> I don't remember hearing from anyone from opengroupware about that.
> Does anyone know if they want to participate or if they are applying
> separately?

I forwarded this question to the developer@ ogo mailing list.

Sebastian


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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf]

Am 09.03.2009 um 22:47 schrieb Adam Fedor:



On Mar 8, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Quentin Mathé wrote:

Also who is going to be in charge of the joint application?  
Someone from GNUstep? That sounds likely since it's the umbrella  
project for the application.




I applied for GNUstep last year, so I could do that.



Adam, I also want to say thank you!


regards,

Lars


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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Fred Kiefer]

Adam Fedor wrote:
> On Mar 8, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Quentin Mathé wrote:
>> Also who is going to be in charge of the joint application? Someone
>> from GNUstep? That sounds likely since it's the umbrella project for
>> the application.
> 
> I applied for GNUstep last year, so I could do that.

Thank you Adam!



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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Adam Fedor]

On Mar 10, 2009, at 7:05 AM, Quentin Mathé wrote:



Great, thanks Adam :-)

I just reorganized the GNUstep SoC page a bit by dividing Ideas into  
four project-specific sections: http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Summer_Of_Code_2009




The SoC page mentions Opengroupware as participating with GNUstep, but  
I don't remember hearing from anyone from opengroupware about that.   
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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Xavier Glattard]

Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf a e'crit :

According to

http://code.google.com/soc/

there is not much time left until applications are accepted:



Welcome to the home page for the Google Summer of Code program!
.
.
.
We will begin accepting applications from mentoring organizations on 
March 9, 2009. In the interim, you can peruse our 2009Frequently Asked 
Questions page. Please subscribe to the Google Open Source Blog or the 
Google Summer of Code Discussion Group to keep abreast of the latest 
announcements.






Therefore I have created the following wiki page:

http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Summer_Of_Code_2009

and hope now that this mail results in a fruitful discussion and 
volunteers who take care for GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009



Thanks,

Lars


Hi

I don't know what are the requirements for mentors, but I would be glad 
to help and take care of one small project :)


Moreover i just read some ideas about CoreData in the list. Maybe should 
you know that i'm working on CoreData since some weeks (months) and 
would release my work sooner or later. It will not be a complete 
implementation!


Regards,

Xavier



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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Quentin Mathé]

Le 9 mars 09 à 22:47, Adam Fedor a écrit :



On Mar 8, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Quentin Mathé wrote:

Also who is going to be in charge of the joint application? Someone  
from GNUstep? That sounds likely since it's the umbrella project  
for the application.




I applied for GNUstep last year, so I could do that.


Great, thanks Adam :-)

I just reorganized the GNUstep SoC page a bit by dividing Ideas into  
four project-specific sections: http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Summer_Of_Code_2009


Cheers,
Quentin.

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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Adam Fedor]

On Mar 8, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Quentin Mathé wrote:

Also who is going to be in charge of the joint application? Someone  
from GNUstep? That sounds likely since it's the umbrella project for  
the application.




I applied for GNUstep last year, so I could do that.

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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf]

Am 08.03.2009 um 17:08 schrieb Quentin Mathé:


Le 6 mars 09 à 00:00, Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf a écrit :


According to

http://code.google.com/soc/

there is not much time left until applications are accepted:
[snip]
Therefore I have created the following wiki page:

http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Summer_Of_Code_2009

and hope now that this mail results in a fruitful discussion and  
volunteers who take care for GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009


I just took a look at this page, there is currently a single  
section with GNUstep ideas…
How should we organize it? Four standalone sections with GNUstep,  
Étoilé, GAP and OpenGroupware or should we list them among the  
current GNUstep ideas?
Is it necessary to replicate ideas from Étoilé SoC page on this  
page or can we just put a link to  ?


Feel free to change the page to how you think it suits the needs of  
Étoilé best. Nothing here is set in stone, instead I just copied an  
old SoC page just to get the ball rolling.




We could also put the GNUstep ideas on a separate page and just  
list the four projects on the main one with links to their  
respective page with SoC ideas.


Also who is going to be in charge of the joint application? Someone  
from GNUstep? That sounds likely since it's the umbrella project  
for the application.


I hope somebody with more experience regarding SoC takes over soon.



Cheers,
Quentin


regards,

Lars


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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Quentin Mathé]

Le 6 mars 09 à 00:00, Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf a écrit :


According to

http://code.google.com/soc/

there is not much time left until applications are accepted:
[snip]
Therefore I have created the following wiki page:

http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Summer_Of_Code_2009

and hope now that this mail results in a fruitful discussion and  
volunteers who take care for GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009


I just took a look at this page, there is currently a single section  
with GNUstep ideas…
How should we organize it? Four standalone sections with GNUstep,  
Étoilé, GAP and OpenGroupware or should we list them among the current  
GNUstep ideas?
Is it necessary to replicate ideas from Étoilé SoC page on this page  
or can we just put a link to  ?


We could also put the GNUstep ideas on a separate page and just list  
the four projects on the main one with links to their respective page  
with SoC ideas.


Also who is going to be in charge of the joint application? Someone  
from GNUstep? That sounds likely since it's the umbrella project for  
the application.


Cheers,
Quentin

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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf]

Am 06.03.2009 um 02:13 schrieb Markus Hitter:



Am 06.03.2009 um 00:00 schrieb Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf:


Therefore I have created the following wiki page:

http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Summer_Of_Code_2009


For an unknown reason (I'm logged in, I see the "edit" links) I  
can't edit this page (it's still locked), so I'll add my project  
idea here:


**Craft a system which allows to distribute GNUstep to the various  
packaging systems (rpm, debian, ports, etc.) on various  
distributions (Ubuntu, Red Hat, FreeBSD, etc.) with a snap and  
without knowledge of the specific packaging system. This system  
should be able to distribute GNUstep libraries, and existing or new  
applications written with it. The user should be able to choose how  
often this is done: on request, on each release, on in regular  
intervals, tracking a source code repository. Ideally, changes to  
the library/app's sources are minimized and/or calculated at runtime.


added.




MarKus

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Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter
http://www.jump-ing.de/


Thanks,

Lars


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Re: [Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Markus Hitter]

Am 06.03.2009 um 00:00 schrieb Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf:


Therefore I have created the following wiki page:

http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Summer_Of_Code_2009


For an unknown reason (I'm logged in, I see the "edit" links) I can't  
edit this page (it's still locked), so I'll add my project idea here:


**Craft a system which allows to distribute GNUstep to the various  
packaging systems (rpm, debian, ports, etc.) on various distributions  
(Ubuntu, Red Hat, FreeBSD, etc.) with a snap and without knowledge of  
the specific packaging system. This system should be able to  
distribute GNUstep libraries, and existing or new applications  
written with it. The user should be able to choose how often this is  
done: on request, on each release, on in regular intervals, tracking  
a source code repository. Ideally, changes to the library/app's  
sources are minimized and/or calculated at runtime.



MarKus

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Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter
http://www.jump-ing.de/






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[Urgent] GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009

[Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf]

According to

http://code.google.com/soc/

there is not much time left until applications are accepted:



Welcome to the home page for the Google Summer of Code program!
.
.
.
We will begin accepting applications from mentoring organizations  
on March 9, 2009. In the interim, you can peruse our 2009Frequently  
Asked Questions page. Please subscribe to the Google Open Source  
Blog or the Google Summer of Code Discussion Group to keep abreast  
of the latest announcements.






Therefore I have created the following wiki page:

http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Summer_Of_Code_2009

and hope now that this mail results in a fruitful discussion and  
volunteers who take care for GNUstep at Google Summer of Code'2009



Thanks,

Lars


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