Re: Windows look and feel
Gregory John Casamento wrote: About the Services menu, wouldn't it be better to have it in the systray menu rather than in the menu in the window? What do you think about that? Fred? I don't feel qualified to answer here. To me the services menu belongs to the application as it normally works directly on the selected elements. There may be arguments to put it into a system tray, but I haven't heard about them. Fred ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Windows look and feel
Hi, Thank you both for your answer. Fred, what would be different between a windows-ish interface and a real windows interface? -- Philippe On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Fred Kiefer fredkie...@gmx.de wrote: Philippe Bernery wrote: I asked the question sometimes ago (and got an answer) but did not follow the list for many times. I was wondering if someone was working on giving GNUstep application the look and feel of Windows application on Windows? If yes, what is the status of this project. If no, is there any plan to support it? You have to be more specific on what you are asking for. Getting a more Windows look on Windows is something we are aiming at, but providing a Windows feel is currently beyond the scope of our project. Surely you will be able to redefine a few keys to get a behaviour that is closer to the standard on Windows, but basically GNUstep programs will still follow a logic that is closer to OpenStep than to the Windows interface standards (as little as such standards exist). As for the Windows look you will have to wait for the next GNUstep release cycle, as we will be focusing on themes once more. (Actually you don't have to wait, you can just start to contribute now) Having more themes callbacks in gui will allow more of the interface drawing to be adjustable. There was a proof of concept Windows theme, the code of which was send to the mailing list again only a few months ago. Expect something similar as a separate theme later on. Our main problem here is as always that we don't have any developer that really focuses on Windows. We just support it as people keep on asking for it. It would just be great to have somebody contributing to GNUstep continuously on that platform. Fred ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Windows look and feel
Philippe Bernery wrote: Fred, what would be different between a windows-ish interface and a real windows interface? I would draw the difference at the point where all the control elements get displayed with naive Windows function calls. Many Windows applications do that themselves and they look out of style. This is also the case with GNUstep applications on Windows no. When using native drawing code, we could improve on that, but there surely will be places where the available Windows controls don't fit our needs. Still, even with native colours, native control drawing, menus inside the window and what ever other adoption will be possible, I would expect that it will always be possible to tell a ported GNUstep application from one that was developed for Windows. ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Windows look and feel
Windows is hardly a homogenous environment itself. I think a windows theme that is Close enough will suffice in most cases. Think about Java apps or even iTunes and such on Windows. They don't really blend, but they do make enough changes to work with the environment. I think that's really what we should shoot for with respect to a Windows theme/look feel. Later, GC Gregory Casamento -- Principal Consultant - OLC, Inc # GNUstep Chief Maintainer From: Fred Kiefer fredkie...@gmx.de To: Philippe Bernery philippe.bern...@gmail.com Cc: gnustep-dev@gnu.org Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:22:33 AM Subject: Re: Windows look and feel Philippe Bernery wrote: Fred, what would be different between a windows-ish interface and a real windows interface? I would draw the difference at the point where all the control elements get displayed with naive Windows function calls. Many Windows applications do that themselves and they look out of style. This is also the case with GNUstep applications on Windows no. When using native drawing code, we could improve on that, but there surely will be places where the available Windows controls don't fit our needs. Still, even with native colours, native control drawing, menus inside the window and what ever other adoption will be possible, I would expect that it will always be possible to tell a ported GNUstep application from one that was developed for Windows. ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Windows look and feel
Well, this is what I thought about. I think having the menu in the window is the first thing to have, then if theming is good, everything should go fine. Anyway, what you all wrote is good news, I was afraid that GNUstep application would still look like an OpenStep application, I mean with the menu on the left outside the window. About the Services menu, wouldn't it be better to have it in the systray menu rather than in the menu in the window? What do you think about that? On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Gregory John Casamento greg_casame...@yahoo.com wrote: Windows is hardly a homogenous environment itself. I think a windows theme that is Close enough will suffice in most cases. Think about Java apps or even iTunes and such on Windows. They don't really blend, but they do make enough changes to work with the environment. I think that's really what we should shoot for with respect to a Windows theme/look feel. Later, GC Gregory Casamento -- Principal Consultant - OLC, Inc # GNUstep Chief Maintainer From: Fred Kiefer fredkie...@gmx.de To: Philippe Bernery philippe.bern...@gmail.com Cc: gnustep-dev@gnu.org Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:22:33 AM Subject: Re: Windows look and feel Philippe Bernery wrote: Fred, what would be different between a windows-ish interface and a real windows interface? I would draw the difference at the point where all the control elements get displayed with naive Windows function calls. Many Windows applications do that themselves and they look out of style. This is also the case with GNUstep applications on Windows no. When using native drawing code, we could improve on that, but there surely will be places where the available Windows controls don't fit our needs. Still, even with native colours, native control drawing, menus inside the window and what ever other adoption will be possible, I would expect that it will always be possible to tell a ported GNUstep application from one that was developed for Windows. ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Windows look and feel
Well, this is what I thought about. I think having the menu in the window is the first thing to have, then if theming is good, everything should go fine. Yep. Anyway, what you all wrote is good news, I was afraid that GNUstep application would still look like an OpenStep application, I mean with the menu on the left outside the window. Nooo... that would be completely wrong. We do aim to blend to a great degree with most environments via themes. About the Services menu, wouldn't it be better to have it in the systray menu rather than in the menu in the window? What do you think about that? Fred? Later, GC Gregory Casamento -- Principal Consultant - OLC, Inc # GNUstep Chief Maintainer From: Philippe Bernery philippe.bern...@gmail.com To: Gregory John Casamento greg_casame...@yahoo.com Cc: Fred Kiefer fredkie...@gmx.de; gnustep-dev@gnu.org Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 5:38:01 PM Subject: Re: Windows look and feel Well, this is what I thought about. I think having the menu in the window is the first thing to have, then if theming is good, everything should go fine. Anyway, what you all wrote is good news, I was afraid that GNUstep application would still look like an OpenStep application, I mean with the menu on the left outside the window. About the Services menu, wouldn't it be better to have it in the systray menu rather than in the menu in the window? What do you think about that? On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Gregory John Casamento greg_casame...@yahoo.com wrote: Windows is hardly a homogenous environment itself. I think a windows theme that is Close enough will suffice in most cases. Think about Java apps or even iTunes and such on Windows. They don't really blend, but they do make enough changes to work with the environment. I think that's really what we should shoot for with respect to a Windows theme/look feel. Later, GC Gregory Casamento -- Principal Consultant - OLC, Inc # GNUstep Chief Maintainer From: Fred Kiefer fredkie...@gmx.de To: Philippe Bernery philippe.bern...@gmail.com Cc: gnustep-dev@gnu.org Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:22:33 AM Subject: Re: Windows look and feel Philippe Bernery wrote: Fred, what would be different between a windows-ish interface and a real windows interface? I would draw the difference at the point where all the control elements get displayed with naive Windows function calls. Many Windows applications do that themselves and they look out of style. This is also the case with GNUstep applications on Windows no. When using native drawing code, we could improve on that, but there surely will be places where the available Windows controls don't fit our needs. Still, even with native colours, native control drawing, menus inside the window and what ever other adoption will be possible, I would expect that it will always be possible to tell a ported GNUstep application from one that was developed for Windows. ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Windows look and feel
Philippe Bernery wrote: I asked the question sometimes ago (and got an answer) but did not follow the list for many times. I was wondering if someone was working on giving GNUstep application the look and feel of Windows application on Windows? If yes, what is the status of this project. If no, is there any plan to support it? You have to be more specific on what you are asking for. Getting a more Windows look on Windows is something we are aiming at, but providing a Windows feel is currently beyond the scope of our project. Surely you will be able to redefine a few keys to get a behaviour that is closer to the standard on Windows, but basically GNUstep programs will still follow a logic that is closer to OpenStep than to the Windows interface standards (as little as such standards exist). As for the Windows look you will have to wait for the next GNUstep release cycle, as we will be focusing on themes once more. (Actually you don't have to wait, you can just start to contribute now) Having more themes callbacks in gui will allow more of the interface drawing to be adjustable. There was a proof of concept Windows theme, the code of which was send to the mailing list again only a few months ago. Expect something similar as a separate theme later on. Our main problem here is as always that we don't have any developer that really focuses on Windows. We just support it as people keep on asking for it. It would just be great to have somebody contributing to GNUstep continuously on that platform. Fred ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Windows look and feel
If Camaelon works on Windows, then all that's necessary is a Windows-ish theme. Using Windows API calls is not practical. --Tycho Martin Clendenny -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Windows-look-and-feel-tp21129469p21156985.html Sent from the GNUstep - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
