Re: Elsevier Science Policy on Public Web Archiving Needs Re-Thinking

1998-09-26 Thread Arthur Smith apsm...@aps.org
Arthur Smith apsm...@aps.org:

Well, once again I think we've jousted long enough. One wouldn't think
from the tone, but I actually agree with a good part of Stevan's last
post, from which I can distill the following points:

1. We both agree that peer review is essential, and is the central
role that publishers do and should continue to perform.

2. We both agree that the cost of peer review is somewhere around
30% of total costs for standard print literature, perhaps 50% of
costs for current all-electronic journals (those that do
copy-editing or re-formatting in addition to review).

3. We both believe it is important that essentially all (me) or
absolutely all (Harnad) researchers have immediate access to the
peer-reviewed literature.

4. We both recognize that publishers, if they are to continue to
play the peer-review role, need to obtain stable financial support
for that in some manner.

There seem to be just 2 fundamental areas of disagreement:

1. Stevan believes that the 30% costs to cover peer review can be
recovered through page charges to the author, with a transition
plan for existing journals to reduce their costs to the 30% level.

I believe this is unworkable and impractical, and therefore either
reader-based payment schemes (Subscription/Site License/Pay per view)
are going to be necessary, or some other form of funding will have to
be found (long-term institutional or government funding, perhaps). If
S/SL/PPV is necessary, as it seems to be right now, it also follows
that the publisher must have at least some of the rights associated
with copyright exclusively (in particular the commercial distribution
and sale rights). Different publishers may have different requirements
in this area - authors should be able to choose which agreements they
are willing to live with.

The first large-scale experiment that could prove Harnad right appears
to be the New Journal of Physics (http://www.njp.org/).

2. Stevan seems to believe the drop to 30% or less of current costs
can be achieved within a year or two through some kind of shock
treatment to publishers (such as full-scale implementation of his
subversive proposal, or implementation of modified copyright
agreements among the majority of academic authors).

I agree that the first 20-30% of cuts could be done on a relatively
short timetable, simply by ceasing print distribution. But the
remaining cuts will either take at least a decade, or will sacrifice
quality in a variety of areas, and end up lumping more of a burden on
the readers. This is because the requisite software (specifically in
the area of author tools) are either not available or not even close to
being standards. And really getting down to the core (this is what I
meant by irreducible) 30% or so of costs will require a long series of
smaller process-improvement steps - these may end up radically changing
our concepts of peer review itself, but one-two years is far too short
a time for it.

My decade time-table also seems not unreasonable when you compare with
how long xxx has been around (7 years now, and the number of journals
and publishers in the areas it covers has gone up, not down) and how
long Harnad and co. have been prognosticating about all this (4-5 years?)
with no clear success yet, other than xxx itself. Perhaps some of the
revolutionary proposals discussed and referenced in this forum will take
hold and prosper, but I think it is more likely that the revolution
will come through price competition and continued evolutionary improvement
by existing publishers and journals.

Either way, in both our views the future promises substantially
increased accessibility of the peer-reviewed literature, reduced costs
for all participants, and a continued role for publishers in overseeing
the process of peer review. Whichever happens, I think the future is
very promising for academic communications.

Arthur Smith apsm...@aps.org


Re: Elsevier Science Policy on Public Web Archiving Needs Re-Thinking

1998-09-26 Thread Rosalind Reid r...@amsci.org
Rosalind Reid r...@amsci.org:

In this week's snail mail I found a letter from someone at the
Institute of Physics (in the UK) wanting to let us know about a major
new e-journal starting up within the next few weeks, to be funded
entirely by article charges and posted on the Web without charge.
This is an experiment that may test many of the hypotheses offered
here.

It's called the New Journal of Physics and will cover all of physics.
The list of editors begins with Nobelist J. G. Bednorz. The two
sponsoring societies, the IOP and Deutzche Physikalische Gesellschaft,
have committed to maintaining the journal's permanent archive free for
all time.

They appear to have dealt with a large number of the issues mentioned
here, except that I see no mention of support for authors who cannot
afford the article charge of US$500. Submission and manuscript
handling will be all-electronic; IOP is able to handle files from
various word processors in addition to TeX, and also accepts e-prints
from xxx. Anne Dixon, IOP's assistant director, proposes that this is
a way for learned societies to chart a way forward at a time of
upheaval in scientific publishing.

Perhaps I've missed comments from the APS participants about this
initiative, or perhaps no one knows how the economics of the NJP are
going to work out--or for that matter whether it will attract good
articles and citations. Looks like an interesting test, anyway.

Details at http://www.njp.org. (No articles yet, but they promise
immediate publication upon acceptance.)

Rosalind Reid
Editor, American Scientist

   [Moderator's note: The AJP project has been mentioned in several
   postings, most recently by Arthur Smith in the prior one on this
   thread. It may surprise some to hear that I think page-charges for
   that commendable project might be premature! A tide-over subsidy for
   the next few unstable years might be a safer way to ensure its
   survival through the transition period into the online-only era
   supported by author-end page charges n place of reader-end S/SL/PPV.
   As other contributors have noted, an attitude change toward
   page-charges will be needed first, and that will in turn have to be
   preceded by (1) a realisation of the optimality of free online
   access, (2) a substantial migration by authors and readers to that
   mode of access, leading to (3) library serial cancellations and
   hence (4) substantive savings on which to draw to provide support
   for (5) author page charges. But perhaps physicists, already in the
   forefront of revolutiuonary developments with xxx, will be
   forward-looking enough to leap directly from the premises to the
   optimal and inevitable conclusions without need of further cultural
   evolution or subversion! -- Stevan Harnad]