[GOAL] Re: OA and NIH public access compliance and enforcement?

2012-04-25 Thread Wise, Alicia (ELS-OXF)
Hi all,

 

I suspect compliance enforcement isn't such an issue for NIH because so
many publishers deposit on behalf of their authors.  It's one of the
ways publishers have constructively engaged with the NIH on
implementation of its open access policy.  Elsevier has deposited
manuscripts into PMC on behalf of authors since 2005, for example.

 

With kind wishes,

 

Alicia

 

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Behalf Of Michael Eisen
Sent: 25 April 2012 15:49
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Subject: [GOAL] Re: OA and NIH public access compliance and enforcement?

 

The NIH enforces the policy by requiring a PMC ID on every paper
submitted with grant progress reports and renewals. It's actually fairly
effective. 

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Stevan Harnad 
wrote:

Hard to imagine how fundee compliance with NIH OA policy can be
effectively enforced while:

(1) Deposit can be done by either the fundee or the publisher
(who is not bound by the grant's conditions)

(2) Deposit must by directly in PubMed Central instead
of the fundee's institutional repository (where the institution
can monitor publication output and ensure compliance)

Unlike the institution (which monitors its researchers'
publication output and productivity) the funder is unaware
of what and where papers are published, especially after
peer review is done and the researcher is funded. (Final
Reports come far too late.)

Hence the natural enforcer for funder policy is of course the
fundee's institution, which already casts an eager eagle eye
on all phases of the all-important research application and
funding process (because of a shared institutional interest
in getting research funding).

The publisher, in contrast, has every interest in deterring or
delaying OA as much as possible.

The researcher, meanwhile, is busy writing grant applications
and conducting research, if funded. Publish-or-perish ensures
that researchers publish, but only institutions and institutional
mandates can ensure that the publications are made OA
(especially if institutional repository deposit is designated
as the sole mechanism for submitting research for annual
institutional performance review).

See http://bit.ly/institutionalOA

Stevan Harnad

On 2012-04-23, at 8:03 PM, LIBLICENSE wrote:

> From: "Hansen, Dave" 
> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:28:06 +
>
> Does anyone on this list have an idea of how the NIH enforces its
> public access policy? I recently had a conversation with someone who
> has viewed several NIH non-compliance letters. She expressed some
> consternation that, while letters sometimes go out about
> non-compliance, there is no real force behind them and nothing that
> effectively compels compliance. I couldn't find any more info from the
> NIH itself.
>
> Does anyone have any idea how prevalent non-compliance is and how
> frequently NIH takes actions to enforce the policy, and for those
> library lawyers that I know lurk around on this list, who (if anyone)
> would be able to contest non-enforcement by the NIH?*
>
> *I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'd just like to know who has the
> right to do such a thing.
>
> -
>
> David R. Hansen
> Digital Library Fellow
> Samuelson Law, Technology & Public Policy Clinic
> UC Berkeley School of Law
> dhansen at law.berkeley.edu
> (510) 643-8138  


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[GOAL] Re: OA and NIH public access compliance and enforcement?

2012-04-25 Thread Michael Eisen
The NIH enforces the policy by requiring a PMC ID on every paper submitted with
grant progress reports and renewals. It's actually fairly effective. 

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Stevan Harnad  wrote:
  Hard to imagine how fundee compliance with NIH OA policy can be
  effectively enforced while:

  (1) Deposit can be done by either the fundee or the publisher
  (who is not bound by the grant's conditions)

  (2) Deposit must by directly in PubMed Central instead
  of the fundee's institutional repository (where the institution
  can monitor publication output and ensure compliance)

  Unlike the institution (which monitors its researchers'
  publication output and productivity) the funder is unaware
  of what and where papers are published, especially after
  peer review is done and the researcher is funded. (Final
  Reports come far too late.)

  Hence the natural enforcer for funder policy is of course the
  fundee's institution, which already casts an eager eagle eye
  on all phases of the all-important research application and
  funding process (because of a shared institutional interest
  in getting research funding).

  The publisher, in contrast, has every interest in deterring or
  delaying OA as much as possible.

  The researcher, meanwhile, is busy writing grant applications
  and conducting research, if funded. Publish-or-perish ensures
  that researchers publish, but only institutions and institutional
  mandates can ensure that the publications are made OA
  (especially if institutional repository deposit is designated
  as the sole mechanism for submitting research for annual
  institutional performance review).

  See http://bit.ly/institutionalOA

  Stevan Harnad

  On 2012-04-23, at 8:03 PM, LIBLICENSE wrote:

  > From: "Hansen, Dave" 
  > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:28:06 +
  >
  > Does anyone on this list have an idea of how the NIH enforces its
  > public access policy? I recently had a conversation with someone
  who
  > has viewed several NIH non-compliance letters. She expressed some
  > consternation that, while letters sometimes go out about
  > non-compliance, there is no real force behind them and nothing
  that
  > effectively compels compliance. I couldn’t find any more info from
  the
  > NIH itself.
  >
  > Does anyone have any idea how prevalent non-compliance is and how
  > frequently NIH takes actions to enforce the policy, and for those
  > library lawyers that I know lurk around on this list, who (if
  anyone)
  > would be able to contest non-enforcement by the NIH?*
  >
  > *I’m not trying to pick a fight. I’d just like to know who has the
  > right to do such a thing.
  >
  > -
  >
  > David R. Hansen
  > Digital Library Fellow
  > Samuelson Law, Technology & Public Policy Clinic
  > UC Berkeley School of Law
  > dhan...@law.berkeley.edu
  > (510) 643-8138


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[GOAL] Re: OA and NIH public access compliance and enforcement?

2012-04-25 Thread Michael Eisen
The NIH enforces the policy by requiring a PMC ID on every paper submitted
with grant progress reports and renewals. It's actually fairly effective.

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Stevan Harnad wrote:

> Hard to imagine how fundee compliance with NIH OA policy can be
> effectively enforced while:
>
> (1) Deposit can be done by either the fundee or the publisher
> (who is not bound by the grant's conditions)
>
> (2) Deposit must by directly in PubMed Central instead
> of the fundee's institutional repository (where the institution
> can monitor publication output and ensure compliance)
>
> Unlike the institution (which monitors its researchers'
> publication output and productivity) the funder is unaware
> of what and where papers are published, especially after
> peer review is done and the researcher is funded. (Final
> Reports come far too late.)
>
> Hence the natural enforcer for funder policy is of course the
> fundee's institution, which already casts an eager eagle eye
> on all phases of the all-important research application and
> funding process (because of a shared institutional interest
> in getting research funding).
>
> The publisher, in contrast, has every interest in deterring or
> delaying OA as much as possible.
>
> The researcher, meanwhile, is busy writing grant applications
> and conducting research, if funded. Publish-or-perish ensures
> that researchers publish, but only institutions and institutional
> mandates can ensure that the publications are made OA
> (especially if institutional repository deposit is designated
> as the sole mechanism for submitting research for annual
> institutional performance review).
>
> See http://bit.ly/institutionalOA
>
> Stevan Harnad
>
> On 2012-04-23, at 8:03 PM, LIBLICENSE wrote:
>
> > From: "Hansen, Dave" 
> > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:28:06 +
> >
> > Does anyone on this list have an idea of how the NIH enforces its
> > public access policy? I recently had a conversation with someone who
> > has viewed several NIH non-compliance letters. She expressed some
> > consternation that, while letters sometimes go out about
> > non-compliance, there is no real force behind them and nothing that
> > effectively compels compliance. I couldn?t find any more info from the
> > NIH itself.
> >
> > Does anyone have any idea how prevalent non-compliance is and how
> > frequently NIH takes actions to enforce the policy, and for those
> > library lawyers that I know lurk around on this list, who (if anyone)
> > would be able to contest non-enforcement by the NIH?*
> >
> > *I?m not trying to pick a fight. I?d just like to know who has the
> > right to do such a thing.
> >
> > -
> >
> > David R. Hansen
> > Digital Library Fellow
> > Samuelson Law, Technology & Public Policy Clinic
> > UC Berkeley School of Law
> > dhansen at law.berkeley.edu
> > (510) 643-8138
>
>
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Investigator, Howard Hughes Medical Institute
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University of California, Berkeley
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