[GOAL] Re: Wikipedia founder to help in [UK] government's research scheme

2012-05-02 Thread brent...@ulg.ac.be
Sorry, but I disagree with this. 

I understand all the help that celebrities can bring to a cause, but the choice 
of the celebrity should be wise. In this case, there is a dangerous risk of 
mixing up concepts.

Wikipedia is, by definition, the negation of peer reviewing. Or, at best, it is 
considering everyone as a peer to everyone else. 
It works surprisingly well, by the way, in many cases, but it fails completely 
at times as well. Expurging mistakes from WP (whether they are willingly forged 
or not) is a very difficult task and it can take forever. And you cannot 
control everything.

I do not want to engage in a debate on Wikipedia's qualities and weaknesses, 
but tens of thousands of professors around the world spend time explaining 
their students why WP, though comfortable (who has never used it?), is a 
dangerous tool because it makes widely public a lot of informations that have 
not been reviewed by acknowledged specialists.

Considering how people these days conflate Open Access and lack of peer 
reviewing, considering our relentless efforts to fight this confusion, I find 
it dangerous for a government to choose WP's founder as an advocate of 
scholarly OA.

Bernard Rentier
Chairman, EOS (Enabling Open Scholarship)
http://www.openscholarship.org/jcms/j_6/accueil



Le 2 mai 2012 ? 12:47, Jan Velterop velterop at gmail.com a ?crit :

 Strict logic is not what we win the battle for open access with. Some 
 celebrity involvement is to be welcomed. On a visceral level the success of 
 Wikipedia (not a logical outcome at the outset on the basis of the premises) 
 may well influence the perception of open access.
 
 Jan Velterop
 
 On 2 May 2012, at 11:00, Andrew A. Adams wrote:
 
 
   The [UK] government has drafted in the Wikipedia founder Jimmy
   Wales to help make all taxpayer-funded academic research in Britain
   available online to anyone who wants to read or use it.
 
 I was hoping that the new government might be less star-struck than the 
 previous one. Plus ca change, plus ca meme chose, it would seem. We really 
 don't need Jimmy Wales advising on this. The team behind eprints has been 
 (with minimal funding) developing the technology needed for many years and 
 there are many academics in the UK much better versed in the intricacies of 
 UK academic work and life than Mr Wales. Sigh. I foresee another lost couple 
 of years wasted on this instead of getting to grips with the known problem 
 and the known solution (including providing better funding for eprints 
 development to the team that created it and still does the software 
 engineering for it).
 
 
 -- 
 Professor Andrew A Adams  aaa at meiji.ac.jp
 Professor at Graduate School of Business Administration,  and
 Deputy Director of the Centre for Business Information Ethics
 Meiji University, Tokyo, Japan   http://www.a-cubed.info/
 
 
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[GOAL] Re: Belgium: Funder's Green OA mandate for 2013

2011-12-29 Thread brent...@ulg.ac.be
Dear Thierry,

In the French speaking community of Belgium (also called the Wallonia-Brussels 
Federation), the most advanced IR policy is that of Liege University. The 
others, mainly at Brussels and Louvain, are moving ahead and should be fully 
mandated by 2013, this is the reason why the FRS-FNRS mandate will be fully 
effective for the 2013 call.

The policy at University of Liege (ULg) is that no deposit can be made 
technically if it has been published from 2002 on and if it is not full text. 
It is physically impossible to file in metadata only, ORBi (the IR) will reject 
the deposit. Hence, although non-full text deposits do exist in ORBi, they can 
only correspond to papers published earlier than 2002.

In other words, in response to your question, only fully text postings are 
considered as published work for evaluation at ULg. This is the policy that 
will be followed at FRS-FNRS as soon as all IRs will adopt this policy. The 
fact that FRS-FNRS will impose this rule is definitely going to be a major 
incentive in imposing such a policy in all institutions.

Best regards and happy New Year!
Bernard Rentier



Le 28 d?c. 2011 ? 09:21, Thierry CHANIER thierry.chanier at 
univ-bpclermont.fr a ?crit :

 Dear all,
 
 I am also very happy of this news and the achievement of Bernard  
 Rentier's work.
 But I need another information to appreciate the extent of this result.
 
 If I correctly understand this mandate, evaluation of the research's  
 institution or the researcher's work when s/he wants to apply for a  
 funding will be made out information which appears in his/her  
 institutional repository.
 
 But does this imply that publicatons will be deposit in the IR or only  
 metadata (notices) about publications ?
 
 In France (again for example), the initial mandate (2006) for deposit  
 has been completely diverted because in many places open archives are  
 full of notices without full-text articles deposit (look in Hal, the  
 ratio may be 3, 4 notices for one full-text deposit).
 
 Is this a possibility in Belgium ? If yes, what can we do against this  
 divertion ?
 
 Cordialement
 Thierry Chanier
 
 
 Quoting Stevan Harnad amsciforum at gmail.com:
 
 On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 1:46 AM, brentier at ulg.ac.be wrote:
 
 It is my pleasure to announce that the Board of Administrators of the
 FRS-FNRS (Fund for Scientific Research in French-speaking Belgium) has
 officially decided to use exclusively Institutional Repositories as sources
 of bibliographic data in support of grant or fellowship submission (except
 for foreign applicants) starting in 2013 (strongly encouraged in 2012).
 
 FRS-FNRS is by far the main funder for basic research in the
 Wallonia-Brussels Federation.
 
 
 * *I am sure that many readers will not quite realize the significance of
 this development in Belgium, so I would like to spell it out:
 
 This represents the first instance of extending one of the key features of
 Professor Rentier's Liege model  research* institution *repository
 deposit (ID/OA) mandate to a research *funder*.
 
 The Liege model institutional mandate is to (i)* require deposit* and, in
 order to ensure compliance, to (ii) *designate institutional repository
 deposit as the sole mechanism for submitting publications for institutional
 performance review*.
 
 The FRS-FNRS is the research funding council for French-speaking Belgium.
 Its Flemish-speaking counterpart, FWO, mandated OA deposit in 2007, but,
 like most funder mandates, it *did not specify where to deposit*, and *did
 not provide any system for monitoring and ensuring compliance*:
 http://roarmap.eprints.org/57/
 
 FRS-FNRS has has now *designated institutional repository deposit as the
 sole mechanism for submitting publications in support of a research funding
 application.*
 *
 *
 This one stipulation has six major knock-on benefits: It not only:
 
 (1) extends the Liege institutional mandate's compliance/monitoring clause
 to funder mandates,
 
 but it also
 
 (2) helps integrate institutional and funder mandates,
 
 (3) ensuring that deposit is made,
 
 (4) ensuring that deposit is made in the author's institutional repository
 (rather than in diverse institution-external repositories),
 
 (5) encouraging institutions that have not yet done so to adopt deposit
 mandates, so as to complement funder mandates for all institutional
 research output, funded and unfunded and
 
 (6) ensuring that institutional and funder mandates are convergent and
 mutually reinforcing rather than divergent and competitive, with deposits
 for both mandates being made institutionally, and with institutions hence
 monitoring and ensuring compliance with funder mandates.
 
 
 Bravo FRS-FNRS! Let us hope other research funders world-wde will adopt (or
 upgrade to) the Belgian model.
 *
 *
 
 *How to Integrate University and Funder Open Access
 Mandates*http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/369-guid.html
 *
 *
 *Optimize the NIH Mandate Now: Deposit