[GOAL] Re: G8 Science Ministers endorse open access

2013-06-17 Thread Tim Brody
On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 16:15 -0400, Stevan Harnad wrote:

[snip]
 In backing down on Gold (good), Finch/RCUK, nevertheless failed to
 provide any
 monitoring mechanism for ensuring compliance with Green (bad). It only
 monitors
 how Gold money is spent.
 
 
 Finch/RCUK also backed down on monitoring OA embargoes (which is bad,
 but
 not as bad as not monitoring and ensuring immediate deposit.)

By Finch/RCUK do you mean the current RCUK guidance, because section
3.14 of:
http://www.rcuk.ac.uk/documents/documents/RCUKOpenAccessPolicy.pdf

Is all about monitoring for gold *and green* (including embargoes)?

measure the impact of Open Access across the landscape including use of
both immediate publishing (‘Gold’) and the use of repositories(‘Green’),
and

For articles which are not made immediately open access ... a statement
of the length of the embargo period [will be required]

I spent last Friday at a workshop of UK EPrints users that was all about
how we're going to report open access compliance to RCUK.

-- 
All the best,
Tim


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[GOAL] Re: G8 Science Ministers endorse open access

2013-06-17 Thread Stevan Harnad
On 2013-06-17, at 9:34 AM, Tim Brody t...@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote:

  RCUK guidance [in] section3.14 of:
 http://www.rcuk.ac.uk/documents/documents/RCUKOpenAccessPolicy.pdf
 
 Is all about monitoring for gold *and green* (including embargoes)?
 
 measure the impact of Open Access across the landscape including use of
 both immediate publishing (‘Gold’) and the use of repositories(‘Green’),
 and
 
 For articles which are not made immediately open access ... a statement
 of the length of the embargo period [will be required]
 
 I spent last Friday at a workshop of UK EPrints users that was all about
 how we're going to report open access compliance to RCUK.

Well it would be splendid if RCUK monitored Green as it monitors Gold!

What I meant was monitoring Green *compliance* (i.e., making sure
the papers are deposited), just as the money spent on Gold is being
monitored. 

I don't think a solemn statement of the intention to deposit some day --
especially since RCUK have announced that they will not be enforcing
embargo lengths for the indeterminate nonce -- is a compliance mechanism.

The remedy will come from HEFCE, if their proposed immediate-deposit
mandate is adopted, for eligibility for REF: It is a monitoring mechanism
that ensures date-stamped immediate-deposit that is needed.

Let us hope that is the compliance mechanism RCUK, in collaboration
with the funded institutions, will adopt.

SH

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[GOAL] Re: G8 Science Ministers endorse open access

2013-06-16 Thread Stevan Harnad
Let's get this straight.

The Finch Report and the G8 statement are in agreement insofar as the 
desirability of open
access (OA) is concerned. 

But then all funder and institutional OA policies worldwide today agree on that.

When it comes to how to go about mandating, monitoring and providing that OA, 
however, 
Finch has done several flips, first insisting on Gold OA over Green OA whenever 
both are 
offered (hybrid), then backing down in the face of an uproar from OA advocates, 
researchers and
institutions alike, and now leaving authors free to choose whether to provide 
Green or Gold.

The transition period is ambiguous depending on whether one is referring to 
the transition:

1. to embargoed OA (whether Green or Gold)
2. to immediate OA (whether Green or Gold)
3. to permissively licensed OA (whether Green or Gold)
4. to Gold OA

The first priorities (for OA) are obviously 1 and then 2. The fastest, surest, 
and cheapest
way to provide 1 and then 2 is via Green OA.

In backing down on Gold (good), Finch/RCUK, nevertheless failed to provide any
monitoring mechanism for ensuring compliance with Green (bad). It only monitors
how Gold money is spent.

Finch/RCUK also backed down on monitoring OA embargoes (which is bad, but
not as bad as not monitoring and ensuring immediate deposit.)

HEFCE has since proposed a fix to ensure immediate-deposit: without it, a paper
is not eligible for REF.

G8 says nothing for or against any of this, because it says nothing about 
implementation details at all. But G8 certainly has not echoed Finch's 
preference
for Gold. It simply agrees (with everyone) that OA (1), immediate OA (2), 
permissively licenced OA (3) and Gold OA (4) are all desirable, eventually.

Now the rest of the world can take its cue from the EU, the US and HEFCE,
and adopt a sensible, effective OA mandate that will generate 1, then transition
to 2, and then transition to 3 and 4 without ever having to abrogate authors'
free choice of journals or force authors to pay to publish if they do not wish 
to,
or cannot.

Stevan Harnad

On 2013-06-16, at 3:30 PM, Graham Triggs grahamtri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I would draw your attention to the implementation section of the Finch Report
 (http://www.researchinfonet.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Finch-Group-report-FINAL-VERSION.pdf):
 
 9.3. A shift in policy towards the support of publication in open access or 
 hybrid 
 journals is at the heart of our recommendations. Nevertheless, for the 
 reasons we 
 have set out in this report, we believe that at least for the short to medium 
 term, the 
 Government, the Research Councils and the Higher Education Funding Councils 
 should seek increases in access through all three mechanisms – open access 
 journals, extensions to licensing , and repositories.
 
 The report is not geared towards gold OA (and hybrid journals) at the 
 exclusion of green and repositories
 (and if they are as free as is suggested, there is no reason to have a 
 repository holding copies of gold OA
 material, to have your own assurance of preservation, access, internal 
 reporting / compliance, etc.).
 
 And yet, I'm sure most of us can see the value not just in free access at 
 some point, but timely access to
 permissively licensed material. Whilst the Finch report recognises this as 
 the ultimate goal, it acknowledges
 that there has to be a transition period.
 
 Further, I'll also draw your attention to the G8 Science Ministers statement, 
 and immediately above point 4. IV -
 which you quoted - it states:
 
 We recognise the potential benefits of immediate global access to and 
 unrestricted use of published peer-reviewed,
 publicly funded research results in line with the necessity of IP protection.
 
 Just like Finch, the G8 statement recognises the value of immediate access 
 under a permissive licence.
 
 imho, the Finch report and the G8 statement are in agreement.
 
 Regards,
 G
 
 
 
 
 
 On 14 June 2013 23:11, Friend, Fred f.fri...@ucl.ac.uk wrote:
 The statement from the G8 Science Ministers is very welcome, not least 
 because it does NOT follow the Finch Report/UK Government clear policy 
 direction... towards support for publication in open access or hybrid 
 journals, funded by APCs, as the main vehicle for the publication of 
 research, but rather follows the policies adopted by Governments all over 
 the world in recognising that there are different routes to open access 
 (green, gold and other innovative models) which need to be explored and 
 potentially developed in a complementary way. It will be interesting to see 
 whether the UK Government will now follow the G8 Statement it has hosted and 
 support the development of green open access in parallel with its support for 
 APC-paid gold open access. Such a commitment would do a great deal to heal 
 the damage caused by the Government's hasty response to the Finch Report.
 
 The G8 Statement is also welcome for its commitment to open scientific 
 research