[GOAL] Re: OA and NIH public access compliance and enforcement?

2012-04-26 Thread Stevan Harnad
 From: Wise, Alicia (ELS-OXF) A.Wise at elsevier.com
 
 I suspect compliance enforcement may not be such an issue for NIH
 because so many publishers deposit on behalf of their authors.  It's
 one of the ways publishers have constructively engaged with the NIH on
 implementation of its open access policy.  Elsevier has deposited
 manuscripts into PMC on behalf of authors since 2005, for example.

1. Compliance is certainly an issue for NIH, until the deposit rate is at or 
near 100% 

2. Deposit rate is nowhere near 100% for two reasons:

2a. Mixed publisher and fundee deposit instead of institutionally 
monitored fundee deposit

2b. Central deposit instead of institutionally monitored
institutional deposit.



[GOAL] Re: OA and NIH public access compliance and enforcement?

2012-04-25 Thread Wise, Alicia (ELS-OXF)
Hi all,

 

I suspect compliance enforcement isn't such an issue for NIH because so
many publishers deposit on behalf of their authors.  It's one of the
ways publishers have constructively engaged with the NIH on
implementation of its open access policy.  Elsevier has deposited
manuscripts into PMC on behalf of authors since 2005, for example.

 

With kind wishes,

 

Alicia

 

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Behalf Of Michael Eisen
Sent: 25 April 2012 15:49
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
Subject: [GOAL] Re: OA and NIH public access compliance and enforcement?

 

The NIH enforces the policy by requiring a PMC ID on every paper
submitted with grant progress reports and renewals. It's actually fairly
effective. 

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Stevan Harnad harnad at ecs.soton.ac.uk
wrote:

Hard to imagine how fundee compliance with NIH OA policy can be
effectively enforced while:

(1) Deposit can be done by either the fundee or the publisher
(who is not bound by the grant's conditions)

(2) Deposit must by directly in PubMed Central instead
of the fundee's institutional repository (where the institution
can monitor publication output and ensure compliance)

Unlike the institution (which monitors its researchers'
publication output and productivity) the funder is unaware
of what and where papers are published, especially after
peer review is done and the researcher is funded. (Final
Reports come far too late.)

Hence the natural enforcer for funder policy is of course the
fundee's institution, which already casts an eager eagle eye
on all phases of the all-important research application and
funding process (because of a shared institutional interest
in getting research funding).

The publisher, in contrast, has every interest in deterring or
delaying OA as much as possible.

The researcher, meanwhile, is busy writing grant applications
and conducting research, if funded. Publish-or-perish ensures
that researchers publish, but only institutions and institutional
mandates can ensure that the publications are made OA
(especially if institutional repository deposit is designated
as the sole mechanism for submitting research for annual
institutional performance review).

See http://bit.ly/institutionalOA

Stevan Harnad

On 2012-04-23, at 8:03 PM, LIBLICENSE wrote:

 From: Hansen, Dave drhansen at email.unc.edu
 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:28:06 +

 Does anyone on this list have an idea of how the NIH enforces its
 public access policy? I recently had a conversation with someone who
 has viewed several NIH non-compliance letters. She expressed some
 consternation that, while letters sometimes go out about
 non-compliance, there is no real force behind them and nothing that
 effectively compels compliance. I couldn't find any more info from the
 NIH itself.

 Does anyone have any idea how prevalent non-compliance is and how
 frequently NIH takes actions to enforce the policy, and for those
 library lawyers that I know lurk around on this list, who (if anyone)
 would be able to contest non-enforcement by the NIH?*

 *I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'd just like to know who has the
 right to do such a thing.

 -

 David R. Hansen
 Digital Library Fellow
 Samuelson Law, Technology  Public Policy Clinic
 UC Berkeley School of Law
 dhansen at law.berkeley.edu
 (510) 643-8138 tel:%28510%29%20643-8138 


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[GOAL] Re: OA and NIH public access compliance and enforcement?

2012-04-25 Thread Michael Eisen
The NIH enforces the policy by requiring a PMC ID on every paper submitted with
grant progress reports and renewals. It's actually fairly effective. 

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Stevan Harnad har...@ecs.soton.ac.uk wrote:
  Hard to imagine how fundee compliance with NIH OA policy can be
  effectively enforced while:

  (1) Deposit can be done by either the fundee or the publisher
  (who is not bound by the grant's conditions)

  (2) Deposit must by directly in PubMed Central instead
  of the fundee's institutional repository (where the institution
  can monitor publication output and ensure compliance)

  Unlike the institution (which monitors its researchers'
  publication output and productivity) the funder is unaware
  of what and where papers are published, especially after
  peer review is done and the researcher is funded. (Final
  Reports come far too late.)

  Hence the natural enforcer for funder policy is of course the
  fundee's institution, which already casts an eager eagle eye
  on all phases of the all-important research application and
  funding process (because of a shared institutional interest
  in getting research funding).

  The publisher, in contrast, has every interest in deterring or
  delaying OA as much as possible.

  The researcher, meanwhile, is busy writing grant applications
  and conducting research, if funded. Publish-or-perish ensures
  that researchers publish, but only institutions and institutional
  mandates can ensure that the publications are made OA
  (especially if institutional repository deposit is designated
  as the sole mechanism for submitting research for annual
  institutional performance review).

  See http://bit.ly/institutionalOA

  Stevan Harnad

  On 2012-04-23, at 8:03 PM, LIBLICENSE wrote:

   From: Hansen, Dave drhan...@email.unc.edu
   Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:28:06 +
  
   Does anyone on this list have an idea of how the NIH enforces its
   public access policy? I recently had a conversation with someone
  who
   has viewed several NIH non-compliance letters. She expressed some
   consternation that, while letters sometimes go out about
   non-compliance, there is no real force behind them and nothing
  that
   effectively compels compliance. I couldn’t find any more info from
  the
   NIH itself.
  
   Does anyone have any idea how prevalent non-compliance is and how
   frequently NIH takes actions to enforce the policy, and for those
   library lawyers that I know lurk around on this list, who (if
  anyone)
   would be able to contest non-enforcement by the NIH?*
  
   *I’m not trying to pick a fight. I’d just like to know who has the
   right to do such a thing.
  
   -
  
   David R. Hansen
   Digital Library Fellow
   Samuelson Law, Technology  Public Policy Clinic
   UC Berkeley School of Law
   dhan...@law.berkeley.edu
   (510) 643-8138


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[GOAL] Re: OA and NIH public access compliance and enforcement?

2012-04-24 Thread Stevan Harnad
Hard to imagine how fundee compliance with NIH OA policy can be
effectively enforced while:

(1) Deposit can be done by either the fundee or the publisher
(who is not bound by the grant's conditions)

(2) Deposit must by directly in PubMed Central instead
of the fundee's institutional repository (where the institution
can monitor publication output and ensure compliance)

Unlike the institution (which monitors its researchers'
publication output and productivity) the funder is unaware
of what and where papers are published, especially after
peer review is done and the researcher is funded. (Final
Reports come far too late.)

Hence the natural enforcer for funder policy is of course the 
fundee's institution, which already casts an eager eagle eye 
on all phases of the all-important research application and 
funding process (because of a shared institutional interest 
in getting research funding).

The publisher, in contrast, has every interest in deterring or
delaying OA as much as possible.

The researcher, meanwhile, is busy writing grant applications
and conducting research, if funded. Publish-or-perish ensures
that researchers publish, but only institutions and institutional
mandates can ensure that the publications are made OA
(especially if institutional repository deposit is designated
as the sole mechanism for submitting research for annual
institutional performance review).

See http://bit.ly/institutionalOA

Stevan Harnad

On 2012-04-23, at 8:03 PM, LIBLICENSE wrote:

 From: Hansen, Dave drhansen at email.unc.edu
 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:28:06 +
 
 Does anyone on this list have an idea of how the NIH enforces its
 public access policy? I recently had a conversation with someone who
 has viewed several NIH non-compliance letters. She expressed some
 consternation that, while letters sometimes go out about
 non-compliance, there is no real force behind them and nothing that
 effectively compels compliance. I couldn?t find any more info from the
 NIH itself.
 
 Does anyone have any idea how prevalent non-compliance is and how
 frequently NIH takes actions to enforce the policy, and for those
 library lawyers that I know lurk around on this list, who (if anyone)
 would be able to contest non-enforcement by the NIH?*
 
 *I?m not trying to pick a fight. I?d just like to know who has the
 right to do such a thing.
 
 -
 
 David R. Hansen
 Digital Library Fellow
 Samuelson Law, Technology  Public Policy Clinic
 UC Berkeley School of Law
 dhansen at law.berkeley.edu
 (510) 643-8138