[GOAL] Re: The Journal Publisher Lobby in the UK Netherlands: Part I

2013-11-17 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Gerritsma, Wouter
wouter.gerrit...@wur.nlwrote:

  @Stevan,



 Yes Stevan the Dutch secretary of education his letter has quite a bit of
 the Finch tone in it. But there are also some opportunities in his letter
 for repositories. Dekker actually asks for exact figures on OA in the
 Netherlands.



 To obtain insight into the situation I request the universities, KNAW and
 NWO to provide numbers on Open Access publications through the various
 clearly defined variants of OA.



 In the Netherlands we have of course Narcis http://www.narcis.nl already,
 a comprehensive repository of nearly all OA publications in the
 Netherlands. But counting OA publications only is not sufficient. That is a
 small mistake in Dekker his letter. What is less well known is that all
 Dutch universities have to report to ministry of Education all the
 scientific output as well. This happens through the VSNU
 http://www.vsnu.nl/files/documenten/Feiten_en_Cijfers/Scientific_Research_Agreed_Definitions__def_2011_IRRH-20110624.pdf




 If due to this letter of Dekker it was decided that all reports on the
 output of the Dutch Science system to the ministry would be based on the
 full registration of all output registered in Narcis, on top of all OA
 publications it already registers, the underlying repositories would be in
 a much better position. If only Narcis takes up its responsibility and
 makes reports along the lines I did nearly 2 years ago
 http://wowter.net/2012/02/10/a-census-of-open-access-repositories-in-the-netherlands/the
  repository infrastructure in the Netherlands would be reinforced as
 well.



 So apart from the fact that OA is on the political agenda in the
 Netherlands, there is an important momentum for Dutch repositories to seize
 right now.


The momentum for the Netherlands to seize is to *mandate Green OA*, at long
last (immediate institutional deposit, as a condition of funding,
employment and evaluation, whether or not OA to the deposit is embargoed)
-- instead of waiting for Dekker to mandate Fool's Gold instead (as he has
threatened to do, in two years).

*Stevan Harnad*


  *From:* goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Stevan Harnad

 *Sent:* zaterdag 16 november 2013 21:50
 *To:* Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
 *Cc:* LibLicense-L Discussion Forum; jisc-repositories
 *Subject:* [GOAL] The Journal Publisher Lobby in the UK  Netherlands:
 Part I



 The UK and the Netherlands -- not coincidentally, the home bases of Big
 Publishing for refereed research -- have issued coordinated statements in
 support of what cannot be described other than as a publisher's nocturnal
 fantasy, in the face of the unstoppable worldwide clamour for Open Access.

 Here are the components of the publishers' nocturnal:

 (1) Do whatever it takes to sustain or increase your current revenue
 streams.

 (2) Your current revenue streams come mainly from subscriptions.

 (3) Claim far and wide that everything has to be done to sustain
 publishers' subscription revenue, otherwise publishing will be destroyed,
 and with it so will peer review, and research itself.

 (4) With (3) as your justification, embargo Green OA self-archiving for as
 long as possible, and fight against Green OA self-archiving mandates -- or
 make sure allowable embargoes are as long as possible.

 (5) Profess a fervent commitment to a transition to full 100% immediate OA
 -- but Gold OA, on your terms, in such a way as to ensure that you sustain
 or increase your current revenue streams.

 (6) Offer hybrid Gold OA and promise not to double-dip. That will ensure
 that your subscription revenues segue seamlessly into Gold OA revenues
 while maintaining their current levels.

 (7) To hasten the transition, offer even Bigger Big Deals to cover
 subscriptions at the national level (as you had always dreamt of doing)
 until all payment is safely converted (Gold) OA.

 (8) Encourage centralized, collective payment of Gold OA fees too, in even
 Bigger Deals, so Gold OA can continue to be treated as annual institutional
 -- preferably national -- payments rather than as piecewise payments per
 individual article.

 (9) Persuade governments to mandate, subsidize and prefer Gold OA rather
 than mandating Green OA

 (10) Make sure Green OA is perceived as delayed OA (because of your
 embargoes!), so that only Gold OA can be immediate.

 (11) Mobilize the minority OA advocates who are in a great hurry for
 re-use rights (CC-BY, text-mining, republication) to support you in your
 promotion of Gold OA and demotion and embargoing of Green OA.

 (12) Cross your fingers and hope that the research community will be
 gullible enough to buy it all.

 There is, however, a compeletely effective prophylactic against this
 publisher fantasy (but it has to be adopted by the research community,
 because British and Dutch Ministers are apparently too vulnerable to the
 publishing lobby):

 (a) 

[GOAL] Re: The Journal Publisher Lobby in the UK Netherlands: Part I

2013-11-17 Thread Bosman, J.M.
Stevan,

The threat of Sander Dekker in The Netherlands is not to mandate fools gold per 
se but to put the obligation to publish open access into the law:

Indien de betrokken partijen zich onvoldoende inzetten, of de ontwikkelingen 
in onvoldoende mate vorderen, zullen de minister en ik voorstellen de 
verplichting om Open Access te publiceren in 2016 op te nemen in de Wet op het 
hoger onderwijs en wetenschappelijk onderzoek (WHW).

Which is literally:

If the stakeholders involved show not enough commitment, or if developments do 
not progress enough, the Minister and I will propose the put the obligation to 
publish in Open Access in the Higher Education and Scientific Research Law in 
2016

In his letter he does not discern between free (no fee, no subscription), 
non-commercial Open Access, fully commercial Open Access and fully commercial 
hybrid journals. He also leaves open, especially for AH and SS, the option of 
Green, but makes it clear his choice is Gold.

Jeroen
-NL
Jeroen Bosman, vakspecialist Geowetenschappen
Universiteitsbibliotheek Utrechthttp://www.uu.nl/bibliotheek
email: j.bos...@uu.nlmailto:j.bos...@uu.nl
telefoon: 030-2536613
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Utrecht University Libraryhttp://www.uu.nl/library
email: j.bos...@uu.nlmailto:j.bos...@uu.nl
telephone: +31.30.2536613
mail: Postbus 80124, 3508 TC, Utrecht, The Netherlands
visiting address: room 2.50, Heidelberglaan 3. Utrecht
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From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of 
Stevan Harnad
Sent: zondag 17 november 2013 12:50
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
Subject: [GOAL] Re: The Journal Publisher Lobby in the UK  Netherlands: Part I

On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Gerritsma, Wouter 
wouter.gerrit...@wur.nlmailto:wouter.gerrit...@wur.nl wrote:
@Stevan,

Yes Stevan the Dutch secretary of education his letter has quite a bit of the 
Finch tone in it. But there are also some opportunities in his letter for 
repositories. Dekker actually asks for exact figures on OA in the Netherlands.

To obtain insight into the situation I request the universities, KNAW and NWO 
to provide numbers on Open Access publications through the various clearly 
defined variants of OA.

In the Netherlands we have of course Narcis http://www.narcis.nl already, a 
comprehensive repository of nearly all OA publications in the Netherlands. But 
counting OA publications only is not sufficient. That is a small mistake in 
Dekker his letter. What is less well

[GOAL] Re: The Journal Publisher Lobby in the UK Netherlands: Part I

2013-11-17 Thread Peter Suber
I hope that Dutch researchers will seize the opportunity that
Wouter Gerritsma describes, and save the Netherlands from repeating the
mistake of the UK.

Note, however, that the Netherlands has flirted with gold OA mandates at
least twice before, and in both cases prior to the Finch report in the UK.

1. In a November 2009 interview, Henk Schmidt, Rector of Erasmus University
Rotterdam, described his plans to require OA, with a preference for gold
over green. I intend obliging our researchers to circulate their articles
publicly, for example no more than six months after publication. I'm aiming
for 2011, if possible in collaboration with publishers via the 'Golden
Road' and otherwise without the publishers via the 'Green Road'.
http://web.archive.org/web/20100213075122/http://www.openaccess.nl/index.php?option=com_vipquotesview=quoteid=30

However, in September 2010, he announced the university's new OA policy,
which is green.
http://rechtennieuws.nl/30283/als-je-niet-gelezen-wordt-bestaat-je-werk-niet-erasmus-universiteit-zet-in-op-open-access-publiceren.html
http://roarmap.eprints.org/295/

2. In January 2011, J.J. Engelen, Chairman of the NWO (Nederlandse
Organisatie voor Wetenschappelijk Onderzoek), described his preference for
a future gold OA policy. These goals of scientic publishing are best
reached by means of an open access publishing business modelOpen access
publishing should become a requirement for publicly funded research. In
order to make open access publishing a success, the enthusiastic
cooperation of the professional publishing companies active on the
scientific market is highly desirable.
http://dx.doi.org/10.3233/ISU-2011-0622

 Peter

Peter Suber
bit.ly/petersuber





On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Gerritsma, Wouter
wouter.gerrit...@wur.nlwrote:

  @Stevan,



 Yes Stevan the Dutch secretary of education his letter has quite a bit of
 the Finch tone in it. But there are also some opportunities in his letter
 for repositories. Dekker actually asks for exact figures on OA in the
 Netherlands.



 To obtain insight into the situation I request the universities, KNAW and
 NWO to provide numbers on Open Access publications through the various
 clearly defined variants of OA.



 In the Netherlands we have of course Narcis http://www.narcis.nl already,
 a comprehensive repository of nearly all OA publications in the
 Netherlands. But counting OA publications only is not sufficient. That is a
 small mistake in Dekker his letter. What is less well known is that all
 Dutch universities have to report to ministry of Education all the
 scientific output as well. This happens through the VSNU
 http://www.vsnu.nl/files/documenten/Feiten_en_Cijfers/Scientific_Research_Agreed_Definitions__def_2011_IRRH-20110624.pdf




 If due to this letter of Dekker it was decided that all reports on the
 output of the Dutch Science system to the ministry would be based on the
 full registration of all output registered in Narcis, on top of all OA
 publications it already registers, the underlying repositories would be in
 a much better position. If only Narcis takes up its responsibility and
 makes reports along the lines I did nearly 2 years ago
 http://wowter.net/2012/02/10/a-census-of-open-access-repositories-in-the-netherlands/the
  repository infrastructure in the Netherlands would be reinforced as
 well.



 So apart from the fact that OA is on the political agenda in the
 Netherlands, there is an important momentum for Dutch repositories to seize
 right now.



 All the best

 Wouter





 Wouter Gerritsma

 Team leader research support

 Information Specialist – Bibliometrician

 Wageningen UR Library

 PO box 9100

 6700 HA Wageningen

 The Netherlands

 ++31 3174 83052

 wouter.gerrit...@wur.nl wouter.gerrit...@wur.nl%0d

 wageningenur.nl/library

 @wowter http://twitter.com/Wowter/

 wowter.net





 *From:* goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Stevan Harnad
 *Sent:* zaterdag 16 november 2013 21:50
 *To:* Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
 *Cc:* LibLicense-L Discussion Forum; jisc-repositories
 *Subject:* [GOAL] The Journal Publisher Lobby in the UK  Netherlands:
 Part I



 The UK and the Netherlands -- not coincidentally, the home bases of Big
 Publishing for refereed research -- have issued coordinated statements in
 support of what cannot be described other than as a publisher's nocturnal
 fantasy, in the face of the unstoppable worldwide clamour for Open Access.

 Here are the components of the publishers' nocturnal:

 (1) Do whatever it takes to sustain or increase your current revenue
 streams.

 (2) Your current revenue streams come mainly from subscriptions.

 (3) Claim far and wide that everything has to be done to sustain
 publishers' subscription revenue, otherwise publishing will be destroyed,
 and with it so will peer review, and research itself.

 (4) With (3) as your justification, embargo Green OA self-archiving for as
 long 

[GOAL] Re: The Journal Publisher Lobby in the UK Netherlands: Part I

2013-11-17 Thread Stevan Harnad
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Bosman, J.M. j.bos...@uu.nl wrote:


 The threat of Sander Dekker in The Netherlands is not to mandate fools
 gold per se but to put the obligation to publish open access into the law:




 “*If the stakeholders involved do not show enough commitment, or if
 developments do not progress enough, the Minister and I will propose to put
 the obligation to publish in Open Access in the Higher Education and
 Scientific Research Law in 2016”*



 In his letter he… leaves open…  the option of Green, but makes it clear
 his choice is Gold.


The language is ambiguous because one *publishes* Open Access when one
publishes in a Gold OA journal, but with Green OA, one *provides* Open
Access to ones articles (having published in any journal at all) by
self-archiving them free for all online (preferably in one's institutional
repository).

But Sander Dekker having expressed admiration for the UK Finch Policy, and
having expressed a preference for Gold, I would be surprised if what he
contemplates mandating in two years is Green OA.

And having already waited this long without mandating OA, and having seen
that in no country has OA been provided if only invited, recommended or
encouraged rather than mandated, it is not clear what Sander Dekker is
expecting from two more unmandated years in the Netherlands.

(Politicians have time, apparently; but research and researchers need
access now: more than a decade of access and impact has already been
needlessly lost. And Netherlands need not wait for its government to stir
from its patient orocentric stupor: Dutch funders and institutions can go
ahead and mandate Green OA already. KNAW and Erasmus have done so already
-- KNAW http://roarmap.eprints.org/561/ with a very weak 18-month
embargo, and Erasmus http://roarmap.eprints.org/295/ with 6, but both
should upgrade to the Liege-model immediate-deposit mandate -- and so
should the rest of UK's institutions and funders.)

*Stevan Harnad*


  *From:* goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Stevan Harnad

 *Sent:* zondag 17 november 2013 12:50
 *To:* Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
 *Subject:* [GOAL] Re: The Journal Publisher Lobby in the UK 
 Netherlands: Part I



 On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Gerritsma, Wouter 
 wouter.gerrit...@wur.nl wrote:

  @Stevan,



 Yes Stevan the Dutch secretary of education his letter has quite a bit of
 the Finch tone in it. But there are also some opportunities in his letter
 for repositories. Dekker actually asks for exact figures on OA in the
 Netherlands.



 To obtain insight into the situation I request the universities, KNAW and
 NWO to provide numbers on Open Access publications through the various
 clearly defined variants of OA.



 In the Netherlands we have of course Narcis http://www.narcis.nl already,
 a comprehensive repository of nearly all OA publications in the
 Netherlands. But counting OA publications only is not sufficient. That is a
 small mistake in Dekker his letter. What is less well known is that all
 Dutch universities have to report to ministry of Education all the
 scientific output as well. This happens through the VSNU
 http://www.vsnu.nl/files/documenten/Feiten_en_Cijfers/Scientific_Research_Agreed_Definitions__def_2011_IRRH-20110624.pdf




 If due to this letter of Dekker it was decided that all reports on the
 output of the Dutch Science system to the ministry would be based on the
 full registration of all output registered in Narcis, on top of all OA
 publications it already registers, the underlying repositories would be in
 a much better position. If only Narcis takes up its responsibility and
 makes reports along the lines I did nearly 2 years ago
 http://wowter.net/2012/02/10/a-census-of-open-access-repositories-in-the-netherlands/the
  repository infrastructure in the Netherlands would be reinforced as
 well.



 So apart from the fact that OA is on the political agenda in the
 Netherlands, there is an important momentum for Dutch repositories to seize
 right now.



 The momentum for the Netherlands to seize is to *mandate Green OA*, at
 long last (immediate institutional deposit, as a condition of funding,
 employment and evaluation, whether or not OA to the deposit is embargoed)
 -- instead of waiting for Dekker to mandate Fool's Gold instead (as he has
 threatened to do, in two years).



 *Stevan Harnad*



  *From:* goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Stevan Harnad

 *Sent:* zaterdag 16 november 2013 21:50
 *To:* Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
 *Cc:* LibLicense-L Discussion Forum; jisc-repositories
 *Subject:* [GOAL] The Journal Publisher Lobby in the UK  Netherlands:
 Part I



 The UK and the Netherlands -- not coincidentally, the home bases of Big
 Publishing for refereed research -- have issued coordinated statements in
 support of what cannot be described other than as a publisher's nocturnal
 fantasy

[GOAL] Re: The Journal Publisher Lobby in the UK Netherlands: Part I

2013-11-17 Thread Jean-Claude Guédon
Could we make sure that we do not use Gold too quickly as a synonym
for author-pay Gold. I meet ever more frequently with this confusion
and I think it deeply affects the quality of our analyses and
strategies.

Jean-Claude Guédon

Le dimanche 17 novembre 2013 à 17:38 -0500, Peter Suber a écrit :
 I hope that Dutch researchers will seize the opportunity that
 Wouter Gerritsma describes, and save the Netherlands from repeating
 the mistake of the UK.
 
 
 Note, however, that the Netherlands has flirted with gold OA mandates
 at least twice before, and in both cases prior to the Finch report in
 the UK. 
 
 
 
 1. In a November 2009 interview, Henk Schmidt, Rector of Erasmus
 University Rotterdam, described his plans to require OA, with a
 preference for gold over green. I intend obliging our researchers to
 circulate their articles publicly, for example no more than six months
 after publication. I'm aiming for 2011, if possible in collaboration
 with publishers via the 'Golden Road' and otherwise without the
 publishers via the 'Green Road'. 
 http://web.archive.org/web/20100213075122/http://www.openaccess.nl/index.php?option=com_vipquotesview=quoteid=30
 
 
 However, in September 2010, he announced the university's new OA
 policy, which is green.
 http://rechtennieuws.nl/30283/als-je-niet-gelezen-wordt-bestaat-je-werk-niet-erasmus-universiteit-zet-in-op-open-access-publiceren.html
 http://roarmap.eprints.org/295/
 
 
 2. In January 2011, J.J. Engelen, Chairman of the NWO (Nederlandse
 Organisatie voor Wetenschappelijk Onderzoek), described his preference
 for a future gold OA policy. These goals of scientic publishing are
 best reached by means of an open access publishing business
 modelOpen access publishing should become a requirement for
 publicly funded research. In order to make open access publishing a
 success, the enthusiastic cooperation of the professional publishing
 companies active on the scientific market is highly desirable. 
 http://dx.doi.org/10.3233/ISU-2011-0622
 
 
  Peter
 
 
 Peter Suber
 bit.ly/petersuber 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Gerritsma, Wouter
 wouter.gerrit...@wur.nl wrote:
 
 @Stevan,
 
  
 
 Yes Stevan the Dutch secretary of educationhis letter has
 quite a bit of the Finch tone in it. But there are also some
 opportunities in his letter for repositories. Dekker actually
 asks for exact figures on OA in the Netherlands. 
 
  
 
 To obtain insight into the situation I request the
 universities, KNAW and NWO to provide numbers on Open Access
 publications through the various clearly defined variants of
 OA.
 
  
 
 In the Netherlands we have of course Narcis
 http://www.narcis.nl already, a comprehensive repository of
 nearly all OA publications in the Netherlands. But counting OA
 publications only is not sufficient. That is a small mistake
 in Dekker his letter. What is less well known is that all
 Dutch universities have to report to ministry of Education all
 the scientific output as well. This happens through the VSNU
 
 http://www.vsnu.nl/files/documenten/Feiten_en_Cijfers/Scientific_Research_Agreed_Definitions__def_2011_IRRH-20110624.pdf
 
 
  
 
 If due to this letter of Dekker it was decided that all
 reports on the output of the Dutch Science system to the
 ministry would be based on the full registration of all output
 registered in Narcis, on top of all OA publications it already
 registers, the underlying repositories would be in a much
 better position. If only Narcis takes up its responsibility
 and makes reports along the lines I did nearly 2 years ago
 
 http://wowter.net/2012/02/10/a-census-of-open-access-repositories-in-the-netherlands/
  the repository infrastructure in the Netherlands would be reinforced as 
 well.
 
  
 
 So apart from the fact that OA is on the political agenda in
 the Netherlands, there is an important momentum for Dutch
 repositories to seize right now.
 
  
 
 All the best 
 
 Wouter
 
  
 
 
  
 
 
 
 Wouter Gerritsma
 
 Team leader research support
 
 Information Specialist – Bibliometrician
 
 Wageningen UR Library
 
 PO box 9100
 
 6700 HA Wageningen 
 
 The Netherlands
 
 ++31 3174 83052
 
 wouter.gerrit...@wur.nl
 
 wageningenur.nl/library
 
 @wowter
 
 wowter.net
 
  
 
  
 
 From: goal-boun...@eprints.org
   

[GOAL] Re: The Journal Publisher Lobby in the UK Netherlands: Part I

2013-11-16 Thread Gerritsma, Wouter
@Stevan,

Yes Stevan the Dutch secretary of education his letter has quite a bit of the 
Finch tone in it. But there are also some opportunities in his letter for 
repositories. Dekker actually asks for exact figures on OA in the Netherlands.

To obtain insight into the situation I request the universities, KNAW and NWO 
to provide numbers on Open Access publications through the various clearly 
defined variants of OA.

In the Netherlands we have of course Narcis http://www.narcis.nl already, a 
comprehensive repository of nearly all OA publications in the Netherlands. But 
counting OA publications only is not sufficient. That is a small mistake in 
Dekker his letter. What is less well known is that all Dutch universities have 
to report to ministry of Education all the scientific output as well. This 
happens through the VSNU 
http://www.vsnu.nl/files/documenten/Feiten_en_Cijfers/Scientific_Research_Agreed_Definitions__def_2011_IRRH-20110624.pdf

If due to this letter of Dekker it was decided that all reports on the output 
of the Dutch Science system to the ministry would be based on the full 
registration of all output registered in Narcis, on top of all OA publications 
it already registers, the underlying repositories would be in a much better 
position. If only Narcis takes up its responsibility and makes reports along 
the lines I did nearly 2 years ago 
http://wowter.net/2012/02/10/a-census-of-open-access-repositories-in-the-netherlands/
 the repository infrastructure in the Netherlands would be reinforced as well.

So apart from the fact that OA is on the political agenda in the Netherlands, 
there is an important momentum for Dutch repositories to seize right now.

All the best
Wouter


Wouter Gerritsma
Team leader research support
Information Specialist - Bibliometrician
Wageningen UR Library
PO box 9100
6700 HA Wageningen
The Netherlands
++31 3174 83052
wouter.gerrit...@wur.nlmailto:wouter.gerrit...@wur.nl%0d
wageningenur.nl/libraryhttp://wageningenur.nl/library
@wowterhttp://twitter.com/Wowter/
wowter.nethttp://wowter.net/


From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of 
Stevan Harnad
Sent: zaterdag 16 november 2013 21:50
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
Cc: LibLicense-L Discussion Forum; jisc-repositories
Subject: [GOAL] The Journal Publisher Lobby in the UK  Netherlands: Part I

The UK and the Netherlands -- not coincidentally, the home bases of Big 
Publishing for refereed research -- have issued coordinated statements in 
support of what cannot be described other than as a publisher's nocturnal 
fantasy, in the face of the unstoppable worldwide clamour for Open Access.

Here are the components of the publishers' nocturnal:
(1) Do whatever it takes to sustain or increase your current revenue streams.

(2) Your current revenue streams come mainly from subscriptions.

(3) Claim far and wide that everything has to be done to sustain publishers' 
subscription revenue, otherwise publishing will be destroyed, and with it so 
will peer review, and research itself.

(4) With (3) as your justification, embargo Green OA self-archiving for as long 
as possible, and fight against Green OA self-archiving mandates -- or make sure 
allowable embargoes are as long as possible.

(5) Profess a fervent commitment to a transition to full 100% immediate OA -- 
but Gold OA, on your terms, in such a way as to ensure that you sustain or 
increase your current revenue streams.

(6) Offer hybrid Gold OA and promise not to double-dip. That will ensure that 
your subscription revenues segue seamlessly into Gold OA revenues while 
maintaining their current levels.

(7) To hasten the transition, offer even Bigger Big Deals to cover 
subscriptions at the national level (as you had always dreamt of doing) until 
all payment is safely converted (Gold) OA.

(8) Encourage centralized, collective payment of Gold OA fees too, in even 
Bigger Deals, so Gold OA can continue to be treated as annual institutional -- 
preferably national -- payments rather than as piecewise payments per 
individual article.

(9) Persuade governments to mandate, subsidize and prefer Gold OA rather than 
mandating Green OA

(10) Make sure Green OA is perceived as delayed OA (because of your 
embargoes!), so that only Gold OA can be immediate.

(11) Mobilize the minority OA advocates who are in a great hurry for re-use 
rights (CC-BY, text-mining, republication) to support you in your promotion of 
Gold OA and demotion and embargoing of Green OA.

(12) Cross your fingers and hope that the research community will be gullible 
enough to buy it all.
There is, however, a compeletely effective prophylactic against this publisher 
fantasy (but it has to be adopted by the research community, because British 
and Dutch Ministers are apparently too vulnerable to the publishing lobby):
(a) Research funders and institutions worldwide adopt an immediate-deposit 
mandate, requiring, as a condition of funding, 

[GOAL] Re: The Journal Publisher Lobby in the UK Netherlands: Part I

2013-11-16 Thread Heather Morrison
Stevan is absolutely right that all we need is immediate deposit in archives. 
Gold policies are counter-productive.

Gold policies designed to protect the interests of large high-profit commercial 
publishers are particularly likely to be counter-productive. One reason is that 
any such mandate is likely to increase costs, immediately for the mandating 
country and overall for the scholarly publishing industry.

Possible counter-strategies:

Do the countries involved have policies requiring procurement from the lowest 
bidder? If so, then perhaps gold OA should work to the benefit of the likes of 
PeerJ, PLoS ONE, Hindawi, not the big commercial publishers.

The Elsevier open access license agreement illustrates why what looks like gold 
OA may not be gold OA at all, e.g. even with CC-BY Elsevier asks for an 
exclusive license to publish: 
http://www.elsevier.com/journal-authors/open-access/open-access-policies/author-agreement

Let's start talking with faculty and research funding agencies about where they 
want money spent: to fund research and academic salaries, or to fuel 30-40% 
profit margins for a few large commercial scholarly publishers? Hints: how does 
the gold OA APCs of the large commercial publishers compare with funding 
typically provided to grad students, whether through scholarships, research or 
teaching assistantships? What about funding for part-time teachers? How does 
the APC cost compare with what is typically paid for a teacher to teach a 
course?  

I talked about this a bit (focusing on scholarly publishing per se rather than 
OA APCs) in my OA week talk at the University of Regina. As an example of this 
kind of analysis, consider the EBSCO serials price projections for 2014, in 
which publishers are expected to increase prices 6-8%:
http://www2.ebsco.com/en-us/Documents/PriceProjections2014.pdf

An 8% increase on a million-dollar contract (there are universities paying 
Elsevier much more than this) is $160,000. That's enough to fund a faculty 
salary or two - and that's just a typical one-year increase on top of the 
30-40% profit margin. If we're cutting faculty positions while paying these 
kinds of increases, in effect we're cutting researcher jobs to fuel tiny 
percentage increases in already large profit margins for scholarly publishers. 

best,

Heather Morrison



On 2013-11-16, at 5:48 PM, Gerritsma, Wouter wrote:

 @Stevan,
  
 Yes Stevan the Dutch secretary of education his letter has quite a bit of the 
 Finch tone in it. But there are also some opportunities in his letter for 
 repositories. Dekker actually asks for exact figures on OA in the Netherlands.
  
 To obtain insight into the situation I request the universities, KNAW and 
 NWO to provide numbers on Open Access publications through the various 
 clearly defined variants of OA.
  
 In the Netherlands we have of course Narcis http://www.narcis.nl already, a 
 comprehensive repository of nearly all OA publications in the Netherlands. 
 But counting OA publications only is not sufficient. That is a small mistake 
 in Dekker his letter. What is less well known is that all Dutch universities 
 have to report to ministry of Education all the scientific output as well. 
 This happens through the 
 VSNUhttp://www.vsnu.nl/files/documenten/Feiten_en_Cijfers/Scientific_Research_Agreed_Definitions__def_2011_IRRH-20110624.pdf

  
 If due to this letter of Dekker it was decided that all reports on the output 
 of the Dutch Science system to the ministry would be based on the full 
 registration of all output registered in Narcis, on top of all OA 
 publications it already registers, the underlying repositories would be in a 
 much better position. If only Narcis takes up its responsibility and makes 
 reports along the lines I did nearly 2 years ago 
 http://wowter.net/2012/02/10/a-census-of-open-access-repositories-in-the-netherlands/
  the repository infrastructure in the Netherlands would be reinforced as 
 well.   
  
 So apart from the fact that OA is on the political agenda in the Netherlands, 
 there is an important momentum for Dutch repositories to seize right now.
  
 All the best
 Wouter
  
  
 Wouter Gerritsma
 Team leader research support
 Information Specialist – Bibliometrician
 Wageningen UR Library
 PO box 9100
 6700 HA Wageningen
 The Netherlands
 ++31 3174 83052
 wouter.gerrit...@wur.nl
 wageningenur.nl/library
 @wowter
 wowter.net
  
  
 From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of 
 Stevan Harnad
 Sent: zaterdag 16 november 2013 21:50
 To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
 Cc: LibLicense-L Discussion Forum; jisc-repositories
 Subject: [GOAL] The Journal Publisher Lobby in the UK  Netherlands: Part I
  
 The UK and the Netherlands -- not coincidentally, the home bases of Big 
 Publishing for refereed research -- have issued coordinated statements in 
 support of what cannot be described other than as a publisher's nocturnal 
 fantasy, in the face of