[GOAL] Re: The Open Access Interviews: Dagmara Weckowska, lecturer in Business and Innovation at the University of Sussex
Heather It is not as easy as that, unfortunately. The university is a party to what happens in the case of copying/deposit/publication by virtue of creating an institutional repository, not to mention a mandate policy. (Different for deposit in Arxiv.) The situation is made more complex when the person committing the alleged misdemeanor is an employee, thereby invoking the rights of other employees to a safe and secure workplace. Students have different rights. While many academics think they own copyright as of right, if they check they often find this is a convention by the employer (and in these days of long author lists, all of the employers jointly), not a legal right. Unfortunately, universities have become more managerial in the last decades, and with this comes bureaucracy, caution, conservatism and unwillingness to risk any form of litigation. Sad, but true. If you want researchers to be personally responsible for copying and/or deposit (in a legal sense), this opens up a huge can of worms much larger than open access! Of course, I know that copyright laws are not the same worldwide, but I think I am on safe ground asserting that most researchers are happy to maintain the accuracy of their publications, but they would not wish to support this with cash for legal fees. Arthur Sale From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Heather Morrison Sent: Wednesday, 24 September, 2014 6:39 To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Re: The Open Access Interviews: Dagmara Weckowska, lecturer in Business and Innovation at the University of Sussex Universities do not, and should not, assume liability for what others may do on their premises, whether physical or virtual. If someone commits a crime on campus such as stealing personal property, it is the fault of the thief, not the university. Responsibility for copyright should rest with the person copying. One reason I think this is especially important with scholarly communication is because if publishers wish to pursue their copyright it will be more effective to achieve change if the push is direct from publisher to author, not with library or university as intermediary. Publishers may be more reluctant to threaten authors than universities. However if they choose vigorous pursuit of their copyright directly with authors I expect that this will help authors to understand the system and channel their frustration where it belongs, to transform the system instead of shooting the messenger (library / university). best, Heather Morrison On Sep 23, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Stacy Konkiel st...@impactstory.org wrote: +100 to what Richard said. they should not interfere with the process of self archiving on the basis of such considerations as scientific quality or any kind of personal judgement. Ah, but what about when the review step is put into place to ensure that copyright is not violated? IR Librarians have, unfortunately, become the enforcers of copyright restrictions at many universities. Somehow, we ended up with the responsibility of ensuring that we're not opening our uni's up to liabilities when paywall publishers come a-threatening with their pack of lawyers because a researcher has made the publisher's version of a paper available on the IR. Contrast that with the Terms of Service of websites like ResearchGate and Academia.edu, who put the onus on the researcher to understand and comply with copyrights for the papers they upload--and *trust* the researchers to do so. No wonder we're getting beat at our own game! But I digress. I agree that library-based IR workflows need a lot of improvement. Librarians need to start pushing back against legal counsels and administrators who make us into the gatekeepers/copyright enforcers. But I take exception to the assertion that we librarians need to step back and let the grownups figure out OA workflows. We often know just as much as researchers at our institutions about copyright, OA, IP, etc. What we need is a partnership to eradicate the barriers to OA that exist at the institutional/library policy and workflow levels. Oftentimes, library administrators take what groups of informed researchers have to say much more seriously than what their rank and file librarians say about things like OA. We could use your support in tearing down these barriers and getting rid of awful legacy workflows that restrict access, rather than this sort of divisive language that suggests we're just dopes who don't get OA and are making things harder for researchers. Respectfully, Stacy Konkiel Stacy Konkiel Director of Marketing Research at http://impactstory.org/ Impactstory: share the full story of your research impact. working from beautiful Albuquerque, NM, USA http://www.twitter.com/skonkiel @skonkiel and https://twitter.com/ImpactStory @Impactstory On Tue, Sep 23,
[GOAL] Re: The Open Access Interviews: Dagmara Weckowska, lecturer in Business and Innovation at the University of Sussex
Andrew Adams raises an important point from my perspective, and this problem is not limited to the UK. Even though I am a librarian and enthusiastic advocate of self-archiving myself, when my library has policies that don't let me upload my work and get my URL immediately, my inclination is to hop over to google docs. Hopefully I'll continue to remember to cross-deposit in the IR, but in the meantime the IR (and the library and the university) are losing out on the highest likely time of exposure, when things are current. A shift to immediate free access for the self-archiving author (unless checking specifically requested) could do a lot to facilitate self-archiving, and the resulting increase in use of the IR could increase the web metrics and perceived value of library, IR and university. A library service that gave me my URL to freely share my work immediately on deposit, with a thank-you note and update on metadata checking at a later date is a service that I'd really appreciate. Developing services that people really find valuable and enjoy using, in my opinion, would bode well for the future of libraries and IRs [speaking as a prof in an information studies program]. best, Heather Morrison On 2014-09-22, at 7:35 PM, Andrew A. Adams a...@meiji.ac.jpmailto:a...@meiji.ac.jp wrote: The challenge now for UK Universities will be to keep librarians out of the way of reserachers, or their assistants, depositing the basic meta-data and full text in the repository. At the University of Reading, where I was involved in early developments around the IR but left the University before the final deposit mandate (*) was adopted and the process decided on, they have librarians acting as a roadblock in getting material uploaded.Thisistotheextentthat a paper published in an electronic proceedings at a conference was refused permission to be placed in the repository, for example, while there is a significant delay in deposited materials becoming visible, while librarians do a host of (mostly useful but just added value and not necessary) checking. Sigh, empire building and other bureaucratic nonsense getting in the way of the primary mission - scholarly communications. (*) They have a deposit mandate but refuse to call it that. I'm not sure why, butthey insist on calling it a policy. If one reads this policy, it's a mandate (albeit not an ideal one). For a University with an overly strong management team and a mangerialist approach, this unwillingness to call a spade a spade and a mandate a mandate, seems odd. Perhaps it's that this policy came from a bottom up development and not a senior management idea so they're unwilling to give it a strong name. -- Professor Andrew A Adams a...@meiji.ac.jpmailto:a...@meiji.ac.jp Professor at Graduate School of Business Administration, and Deputy Director of the Centre for Business Information Ethics Meiji University, Tokyo, Japan http://www.a-cubed.info/ ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.orgmailto:GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
[GOAL] Re: The Open Access Interviews: Dagmara Weckowska, lecturer in Business and Innovation at the University of Sussex
I do not believe they are asking for anything contradictory. We all agree on (1), but when (2) is asking (some) librarians to get out of the way, it means just that they should not interfere with the process of self archiving on the basis of such considerations as scientific quality or any kind of personal judgement. They are welcome to help making the deposit which should be done as fast as possible, in restricted access if required. Le 23 sept. 2014 à 16:27, Richard Poynder ri...@richardpoynder.co.uk a écrit : I suspect that Andrew Adams and Stevan Harnad may be asking for two contradictory things here. If I understand correctly, they want 1) as near 100% OA as soon as possible and 2) for librarians to get out of the way so that researchers can get on and self-archive. Given that many researchers have shown themselves to be generally uninterested in open access and, in some cases, directly antagonistic towards it, and given that over half of UK researchers appear to be unware of whether or not their future articles will need to be published in accordance with the RCUK policy or not (http://goo.gl/Y3Lyua) I cannot see how keeping librarians (who have done so much to fill repositories and to educate researchers about OA) out of the way (wish 2) is going to help achieve wish 1. From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Stevan Harnad Sent: 23 September 2014 14:33 To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Re: The Open Access Interviews: Dagmara Weckowska, lecturer in Business and Innovation at the University of Sussex Andrew is so right. We did the rounds of this at Southampton, where the library (for obscure reasons of its own) wanted to do time-consuming and frustrating (for the author) checks on the deposit (is it suitable? is it legal? are the metadata in order?). In ECS we bagged that right away. And now ECS has fast lane exception in the university repository (but alas other departments do not). Similar needless roadblocks (unresolved) at UQAM. Librarians: I know your hearts are in the right place. But please, please trust those who understand OA far, far better than you do, that this library vetting -- if it needs to be done at all -- should be done after the deposit has already been made (by the author) and has already been made immediately OA (by the software). Please don't add to publishers' embargoes and other roadblocks to OA by adding gratuitous ones of your own. Let institutional authors deposit and make their deposits OA directly, without intervention, mediation or interference. Then if you want to vet their deposits, do so and communicate with them directly afterward. P.S. This is all old. We've been through this countless times before. Dixit Weary Archivangelist, still fighting the same needless, age-old battles, on all sides... On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Andrew A. Adams a...@meiji.ac.jp wrote: The challenge now for UK Universities will be to keep librarians out of the way of reserachers, or their assistants, depositing the basic meta-data and full text in the repository. At the University of Reading, where I was involved in early developments around the IR but left the University before the final deposit mandate (*) was adopted and the process decided on, they have librarians acting as a roadblock in getting material uploaded.Thisistotheextentthat a paper published in an electronic proceedings at a conference was refused permission to be placed in the repository, for example, while there is a significant delay in deposited materials becoming visible, while librarians do a host of (mostly useful but just added value and not necessary) checking. Sigh, empire building and other bureaucratic nonsense getting in the way of the primary mission - scholarly communications. (*) They have a deposit mandate but refuse to call it that. I'm not sure why, butthey insist on calling it a policy. If one reads this policy, it's a mandate (albeit not an ideal one). For a University with an overly strong management team and a mangerialist approach, this unwillingness to call a spade a spade and a mandate a mandate, seems odd. Perhaps it's that this policy came from a bottom up development and not a senior management idea so they're unwilling to give it a strong name. -- Professor Andrew A Adams a...@meiji.ac.jp Professor at Graduate School of Business Administration, and Deputy Director of the Centre for Business Information Ethics Meiji University, Tokyo, Japan http://www.a-cubed.info/ ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
[GOAL] Re: The Open Access Interviews: Dagmara Weckowska, lecturer in Business and Innovation at the University of Sussex
+100 to what Richard said. they should not interfere with the process of self archiving on the basis of such considerations as scientific quality or any kind of personal judgement. Ah, but what about when the review step is put into place to ensure that copyright is not violated? IR Librarians have, unfortunately, become the enforcers of copyright restrictions at many universities. Somehow, we ended up with the responsibility of ensuring that we're not opening our uni's up to liabilities when paywall publishers come a-threatening with their pack of lawyers because a researcher has made the publisher's version of a paper available on the IR. Contrast that with the Terms of Service of websites like ResearchGate and Academia.edu, who put the onus on the researcher to understand and comply with copyrights for the papers they upload--and *trust* the researchers to do so. No wonder we're getting beat at our own game! But I digress. I agree that library-based IR workflows need a lot of improvement. Librarians need to start pushing back against legal counsels and administrators who make us into the gatekeepers/copyright enforcers. But I take exception to the assertion that we librarians need to step back and let the grownups figure out OA workflows. We often know just as much as researchers at our institutions about copyright, OA, IP, etc. What we need is a partnership to eradicate the barriers to OA that exist at the institutional/library policy and workflow levels. Oftentimes, library administrators take what groups of informed researchers have to say much more seriously than what their rank and file librarians say about things like OA. We could use your support in tearing down these barriers and getting rid of awful legacy workflows that restrict access, rather than this sort of divisive language that suggests we're just dopes who don't get OA and are making things harder for researchers. Respectfully, Stacy Konkiel Stacy Konkiel Director of Marketing Research at Impactstory http://impactstory.org/: share the full story of your research impact. working from beautiful Albuquerque, NM, USA @skonkiel http://www.twitter.com/skonkiel and @Impactstory https://twitter.com/ImpactStory On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 9:09 AM, brent...@ulg.ac.be wrote: I do not believe they are asking for anything contradictory. We all agree on (1), but when (2) is asking (some) librarians to get out of the way, it means just that they should not interfere with the process of self archiving on the basis of such considerations as scientific quality or any kind of personal judgement. They are welcome to help making the deposit which should be done as fast as possible, in restricted access if required. Le 23 sept. 2014 à 16:27, Richard Poynder ri...@richardpoynder.co.uk a écrit : I suspect that Andrew Adams and Stevan Harnad may be asking for two contradictory things here. If I understand correctly, they want 1) as near 100% OA as soon as possible and 2) for librarians to get out of the way so that researchers can get on and self-archive. Given that many researchers have shown themselves to be generally uninterested in open access and, in some cases, directly antagonistic towards it, and given that over half of UK researchers appear to be unware of whether or not their future articles will need to be published in accordance with the RCUK policy or not ( http://goo.gl/Y3Lyua) I cannot see how keeping librarians (who have done so much to fill repositories and to educate researchers about OA) out of the way (wish 2) is going to help achieve wish 1. *From:* goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org goal-boun...@eprints.org] *On Behalf Of *Stevan Harnad *Sent:* 23 September 2014 14:33 *To:* Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) *Subject:* [GOAL] Re: The Open Access Interviews: Dagmara Weckowska, lecturer in Business and Innovation at the University of Sussex Andrew is so right. We did the rounds of this at Southampton, where the library (for obscure reasons of its own) wanted to do time-consuming and frustrating (for the author) checks on the deposit (is it suitable? is it legal? are the metadata in order?). In ECS we bagged that right away. And now ECS has fast lane exception in the university repository (but alas other departments do not). Similar needless roadblocks (unresolved) at UQAM. *Librarians*: I know your hearts are in the right place. But please, please trust those who understand OA far, far better than you do, that this library vetting -- if it needs to be done at all -- should be done *after* the deposit has already been made (by the author) and has already been made *immediately* OA (by the software). Please don't add to publishers' embargoes and other roadblocks to OA by adding gratuitous ones of your own. Let institutional authors deposit and make their deposits OA directly, without intervention, mediation or interference. Then if you
[GOAL] Re: The Open Access Interviews: Dagmara Weckowska, lecturer in Business and Innovation at the University of Sussex
Universities do not, and should not, assume liability for what others may do on their premises, whether physical or virtual. If someone commits a crime on campus such as stealing personal property, it is the fault of the thief, not the university. Responsibility for copyright should rest with the person copying. One reason I think this is especially important with scholarly communication is because if publishers wish to pursue their copyright it will be more effective to achieve change if the push is direct from publisher to author, not with library or university as intermediary. Publishers may be more reluctant to threaten authors than universities. However if they choose vigorous pursuit of their copyright directly with authors I expect that this will help authors to understand the system and channel their frustration where it belongs, to transform the system instead of shooting the messenger (library / university). best, Heather Morrison On Sep 23, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Stacy Konkiel st...@impactstory.orgmailto:st...@impactstory.org wrote: +100 to what Richard said. they should not interfere with the process of self archiving on the basis of such considerations as scientific quality or any kind of personal judgement. Ah, but what about when the review step is put into place to ensure that copyright is not violated? IR Librarians have, unfortunately, become the enforcers of copyright restrictions at many universities. Somehow, we ended up with the responsibility of ensuring that we're not opening our uni's up to liabilities when paywall publishers come a-threatening with their pack of lawyers because a researcher has made the publisher's version of a paper available on the IR. Contrast that with the Terms of Service of websites like ResearchGate and Academia.eduhttp://Academia.edu, who put the onus on the researcher to understand and comply with copyrights for the papers they upload--and *trust* the researchers to do so. No wonder we're getting beat at our own game! But I digress. I agree that library-based IR workflows need a lot of improvement. Librarians need to start pushing back against legal counsels and administrators who make us into the gatekeepers/copyright enforcers. But I take exception to the assertion that we librarians need to step back and let the grownups figure out OA workflows. We often know just as much as researchers at our institutions about copyright, OA, IP, etc. What we need is a partnership to eradicate the barriers to OA that exist at the institutional/library policy and workflow levels. Oftentimes, library administrators take what groups of informed researchers have to say much more seriously than what their rank and file librarians say about things like OA. We could use your support in tearing down these barriers and getting rid of awful legacy workflows that restrict access, rather than this sort of divisive language that suggests we're just dopes who don't get OA and are making things harder for researchers. Respectfully, Stacy Konkiel Stacy Konkiel Director of Marketing Research at Impactstoryhttp://impactstory.org/: share the full story of your research impact. working from beautiful Albuquerque, NM, USA @skonkielhttp://www.twitter.com/skonkiel and @Impactstoryhttps://twitter.com/ImpactStory On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 9:09 AM, brent...@ulg.ac.bemailto:brent...@ulg.ac.be wrote: I do not believe they are asking for anything contradictory. We all agree on (1), but when (2) is asking (some) librarians to get out of the way, it means just that they should not interfere with the process of self archiving on the basis of such considerations as scientific quality or any kind of personal judgement. They are welcome to help making the deposit which should be done as fast as possible, in restricted access if required. Le 23 sept. 2014 à 16:27, Richard Poynder ri...@richardpoynder.co.ukmailto:ri...@richardpoynder.co.uk a écrit : I suspect that Andrew Adams and Stevan Harnad may be asking for two contradictory things here. If I understand correctly, they want 1) as near 100% OA as soon as possible and 2) for librarians to get out of the way so that researchers can get on and self-archive. Given that many researchers have shown themselves to be generally uninterested in open access and, in some cases, directly antagonistic towards it, and given that over half of UK researchers appear to be unware of whether or not their future articles will need to be published in accordance with the RCUK policy or not (http://goo.gl/Y3Lyua) I cannot see how keeping librarians (who have done so much to fill repositories and to educate researchers about OA) out of the way (wish 2) is going to help achieve wish 1. From: goal-boun...@eprints.orgmailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Stevan Harnad Sent: 23 September 2014 14:33 To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL]
[GOAL] Re: The Open Access Interviews: Dagmara Weckowska, lecturer in Business and Innovation at the University of Sussex
I’m not sure that Dr Weckowska has thought through the full implications of the HEFCE policy: In addition, she says: “Under the new HEFCE policy, researchers have incentives to make their best 4 papers accessible through the gold or green OA route (assuming that the REF again requires 4 papers) but they do not have incentives to make ALL their papers openly accessible.” Only papers that were deposited on acceptance are eligible for consideraton in the next REF. It is a rare researcher who, as they are publishing, will be able to say ’this will be one of my top-4, I will make it OA. But this one won’t be - I definitely won’t want to submit it to the REF - so I won’t make it OA'. A researcher will want to choose from all of their papers and so will need to ensure that all of their papers fulfil the mandate - not just the 4 (or however many) that, with hindsight, they think are best. It is this - rather clever - part of the policy that will push up the proportion of OA papers. David On 22 Sep 2014, at 15:02, Richard Poynder richard.poyn...@cantab.netmailto:richard.poyn...@cantab.net wrote: As a result of prolonged pressure from the open access (OA) movement — and following considerable controversy within the research community — the UK is now embarked on a journey that OA advocates hope will lead to all publicly-funded research produced in the country being made freely available on the Internet. This, they believe, will be the outcome of the OA mandates from Research Councils UK (which came into effect on April 1st 2013) and the Higher Education Funding Council for England (which will come into effect in 2016). It has taken the OA movement twelve years to get the UK to this point (the Budapest Open Access Initiative was authored in 2002), but advocates believe that these two mandates have now made open access a done deal in the country. As such, they say, they represent a huge win for the movement. Above all, they argue, HEFCE’s insistence that only those works that have been deposited in an open repository will be eligible for assessment for REF2020 (which directly affects faculty tenure, promotion and funding) is a requirement that no researcher can afford to ignore. But could this be too optimistic a view? Dagmara Weckowska, a lecturer in Business and Innovation at the University of Sussex, believes it may be. While she does not doubt that the RCUK/HEFCE policies will increase the number of research outputs made open access, she questions whether they will be as effective as OA advocates appear to assume. Weckowska reached this conclusion after doing some research earlier this year into how researchers’ attitudes to open access have changed as a result of the RCUK policy. This, she says, suggests that open access mandates will only be fully successful if researchers can be convinced of the benefits of open access. As she puts it, “Researchers who currently provide OA only when they are required to do so by their funders will need a change of heart and mind to start providing open access to all their work.” In addition, she says: “Under the new HEFCE policy, researchers have incentives to make their best 4 papers accessible through the gold or green OA route (assuming that the REF again requires 4 papers) but they do not have incentives to make ALL their papers openly accessible.” The interview with Dagmara Weckowska can be reader here: http://poynder.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/the-open-access-interviews-dagmara.html ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.orgmailto:GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
[GOAL] Re: The Open Access Interviews: Dagmara Weckowska, lecturer in Business and Innovation at the University of Sussex
The challenge now for UK Universities will be to keep librarians out of the way of reserachers, or their assistants, depositing the basic meta-data and full text in the repository. At the University of Reading, where I was involved in early developments around the IR but left the University before the final deposit mandate (*) was adopted and the process decided on, they have librarians acting as a roadblock in getting material uploaded.Thisistotheextentthat a paper published in an electronic proceedings at a conference was refused permission to be placed in the repository, for example, while there is a significant delay in deposited materials becoming visible, while librarians do a host of (mostly useful but just added value and not necessary) checking. Sigh, empire building and other bureaucratic nonsense getting in the way of the primary mission - scholarly communications. (*) They have a deposit mandate but refuse to call it that. I'm not sure why, butthey insist on calling it a policy. If one reads this policy, it's a mandate (albeit not an ideal one). For a University with an overly strong management team and a mangerialist approach, this unwillingness to call a spade a spade and a mandate a mandate, seems odd. Perhaps it's that this policy came from a bottom up development and not a senior management idea so they're unwilling to give it a strong name. -- Professor Andrew A Adams a...@meiji.ac.jp Professor at Graduate School of Business Administration, and Deputy Director of the Centre for Business Information Ethics Meiji University, Tokyo, Japan http://www.a-cubed.info/ ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
