Re: [Goanet] Arundhati Roy - Part I, II, III
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sunila Muzawar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice article and thanks for posting it George. It does seem more balanced ... Wish she would also break out into such eloquence over the plight of thousands of Hindus killed in Kashmir every day; Wish she would reject publicly the Church sponsored terrorism in the North-East; Wish she would mention that one of the richest persons of the world and the richest Indian is a Muslim; Wish she had decried the press and people who blamed the Hindus for church bombings engineered by the Pakistani ISI; .. My, My, My, What a diatribe against all the minorities in this great country! I certainly dont want to get into a slanging political and communal match, but of all the convoluted subjects above, I have picked only 4 for clarification, so can I ask you Sunila to please elucidate 1.Thousands of Hindus killed in Kashmir everyday? That would make 20,000 in 20 days? Can you provide Govt.of India figures of civilians, police and paramilitary forces killed over the past 1 year in the valley, before you make such sweeping allegations. I am not asking you for their religion. 2.Church sponsored terrorism in the North East? I have travelled in all the 7 states and this is the first time in my life I have heard this term. Please explain the politics in this region and what the church has to do with it. And whether it is the Baptists, Catholics or other sects who are involved. 3.Richest men in the world are Muslims? What has this got to do with Arundhati Roy or the Gujerat problem. Maybe Im just too dumb to understand. 4. Church bombings engineered by ISI? Another red herring!! The Govt.(BJP) has learnt its lessons well from old Indira Gandhi! Blame the foreign hand for all the ills of this country. First it was the CIA for the first 45 years after independence, now it is the ISI. regards---Gilbert. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
Re: [Goanet] Arundhati Roy - Part I, II, III
From: gilmen30 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Arundhati Roy - Part I, II, III Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 09:01:31 - My, My, My, What a diatribe against all the minorities in this great country! I certainly dont want to get into a slanging political and communal match, but of all the convoluted subjects above, I have picked only 4 for clarification, so can I ask you Sunila to please elucidate 1.Thousands of Hindus killed in Kashmir everyday? That would make 20,000 in 20 days? Can you provide Govt.of India figures of civilians, police and paramilitary forces killed over the past 1 year in the valley, before you make such sweeping allegations. I am not asking you for their religion. I will ignore your 2 in 20 days because I am sure you know what I meant. I am surprised you are even questioning this ? After all even the UN chief Kofi Anan has spoken against the ethnic cleansing of the Hindus, Budhists and now Shia Muslims from Kashmir. If you want further figures check with the Govt. of India. I told you what I believe is true. 2.Church sponsored terrorism in the North East? I have travelled in all the 7 states and this is the first time in my life I have heard this term. Please explain the politics in this region and what the church has to do with it. And whether it is the Baptists, Catholics or other sects who are involved. No idea which Christian sect is involved...I am not deeply involved in religious organisations. But again it is funny that you question things which are common knowledge in India and abroad. 3.Richest men in the world are Muslims? What has this got to do with Arundhati Roy or the Gujerat problem. Maybe Im just too dumb to understand. Incidentally I said richest man and not men and the person is Azim Premji, CEO of WIPRO. What has this got to do with Arundhati ? Nothing much except that when she berates India and Indians for atrocities on minorities she forgets that there is a majority that is also suffering out there. And she also conveniently forgets that India is a place where anybody can make it big i.e. whether you are Muslim, Hindu or Christian or any other is not the deciding factor. 4. Church bombings engineered by ISI? Another red herring!! The Govt.(BJP) has learnt its lessons well from old Indira Gandhi! Blame the foreign hand for all the ills of this country. First it was the CIA for the first 45 years after independence, now it is the ISI. regards---Gilbert. This is a cut and dried case. The bombers were from some Muslim school think tank and admitted the four (I think that was the number) church bombings as being master minded by the ISI. I must say Gilbert that your general knowledge on current affairs could do with some polishing. But I don't blame you. You probably don't know much about this case because it did not make the headlines although the church bombings did. After all speculation on Hindus bombing churches make more sensational news than if they are ISI sponsored. Now, you said my message was a diatribe on minorities. I don't think so. My diatribe was against treating some people different from others. It's almost like in communism all people are equal but some people are more equal than others. I truly believe that if everyone is treated equally the dividing lines between communities will fade away. That is one of the reasons why there is so much communal harmony in Goa. We all have a common law and most of us are treated on par with each other. Also I had a wishlist of 21 items for Arundhati to notice. Of course, I could come up with quite a few more if I really give it some thought. But then most of us would. You have singled out 4 items for clarification. I don't think the first one that is the killing of Hindus in Kashmir is a diatribe against minorities. After all the Hindus are the minorities in Kashmir. Besides I don't believe that Indian Muslims are killing these Hindus so how can my statement be construed as against minorities? The third one about the richest Indian is also not a diatribe against the minority. It is to show appreciation for my country where no matter who you are, you are generally free to progress. And that is true of all fields of life in India. Remember the number one scientist of India, Abdul Kalaam Azad is a Muslim; until recent a Muslim Moh'd Azaruddhin was captain of the no. 1 sport in India; the no.1 film stars of India are Muslims namely Shah Rukh Khan and Aamir Khan; the no.1 music composer of India is a Muslim called A.R.Rehman; the no.1 Badminton player of India was Syed Modi whose murder we still mourn; the current President of India is Christian; the Leader of the Opposition is a Christian. I am proud of my country and proud that people from all walks of life can progress with scant regard to their caste, religion, and origin and that is what I would like highlighted sometime at least instead of the usual nasty stuff that people
[Goanet] NEWS: Audience weeps while watching film on Gujarat violence
Audience weeps while watching film on Gujarat violence By Ehthashamuddin Khan, Indo-Asian News Service New Delhi, Apr 30 (IANS) A nearly 100-strong audience here watching a documentary on the brutal Gujarat violence broke down and wept at the scenes of butchery and bloodshed. Besides about 70 invitees, 30 victims of the violence watched burnt and rotten corpses and heard survivors' heart-rending tales in journalist Pankaj Shankar's documentary, In the name of Faith. In stunned silence they heard victims describe how neighbours they had never wrong betrayed them to Hindu fanatics and how the police remained passive in the face of what they called a well-organised carnage. A moved Mahesh Bhatt, the noted filmmaker, said: All of us are responsible for the carnage because of our indifference and apathy. But Bhatt urged the victims not to confuse the Gujarat government with the people of India, saying: We do not share the feelings which made you victims. Dilawar, 11, and his eight-year-old sister Salma from Mehsana town of Gujarat described how a mob killed their parents in front of them. A weeping Dilwar said: They surrounded us and started throwing stones. Then they entered our house, locked the door and electrocuted my father and mother. He couldn't go on any more and there was a soul-searching silence punctuated only by his sobbing. Documentary producer Shankar was the first to break it. Let us ask ourselves how long we will remain silent. It was the first time a film was screened on the victims of Gujarat's sectarian violence that has claimed about 920 lives since February 27. Houses and business establishments belonging mostly to Muslims were burnt and looted while Chief Minister Narendra Modi's government and police in the western state have been accused of siding with the killers and arsonists. A girl screamed on the screen: Is the government only yours (for Hindus)? Are they not for us Muslims too? Don't we too live here? Are we not Indians? Shankar said: When she said this to me, I was confused. With which Hindus should I associate myself? Those who burnt Muslims or those who saved them? Those who didn't take part in the violence are larger in number but they are silent and don't have the courage to protest. The 30 survivors who came to New Delhi to tell the media about the situation blamed the Gujarat police for supporting the killers and rapists. Zahira, 28, from Vadodra town, said: They stripped me in front of my brothers and then burnt my brothers alive. I have named the people who did it but police didn't listen to me. I can't go back to my village. Nearly 15 people raped a neighbour, said Noorjahan from Ahmedabad. The police directed the mobs to attack and kill us. The documentary showed a man holding up a policeman's identity card to show that police participated in the arson and looting. An emotional Valson Thampu, a Christian priest, apologised to the victims that he didn't do anything to help them. He said: For the first time in my life I am ashamed of being a religious man because the carnage was done in the name of religion. We don't want religion any more. --Indo-Asian News Service =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
