[GOANET] Ek Kovita: Oxo Ek Mog Aslo
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- OXO EK MOG ASLO Tujea modur onttancho chumb mhojea pollear ditana Tuje tea sobit nille dolleant dukham kiteak? Kazarachea adlea disa novreak ros lavpak xezarim ektavlim Zedna tuji pali aili tedna tujem kalliz doddboddlem kiteak? Mathem tem paim pasun tujea mov-mov hat mhojea angar bhonvtana Nitoll narlachea rosa barrabor mhoji kudd tujea dukhanni bizovli kiteak? Tujea kallzan zallem tufan somdira lharam von vhodd Mhoje sukhachea vellar dhuki vadoll kiteak? Ekach agnnant ami vaddlim vangdda nachlim-khevlim utthlim-boslim Ponn tujea hordde bhitor mhojo guptim mog xiztolo lipun dovorlo kiteak? Lino B. Dourado (Utorddekar-Kuwait) = http://www.goa-world.net/poems __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: [GOANET] DUAL CITIZENSHIP AND THE GULF INDIANS.
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- Hi Gabe ! Gulf countries will never give you citizenship unless your father is an Arab or b) a muslim; and that also under very special circumstances. For instance, in United Arab Emirates, the Dubai government gave many Tanzanians from Zanzibar whose fathers were Arabs- UAE nationality after the January 12 1964 Revolution which overthrew the Arab Sultanate. Most of these Arab fathers were from Oman. Some from Tanzania Mainland , whose fathers were from Yemen, also got nationality. Many Bangladeshis were also given UAE nationality in 1971 during the creation of Bangla Desh , and its seccession from Pakistan. Many other Indians like the Choitrams in the UAE and the "Lotya" group of Indians were also given nationality in Oman by the former princes and sheikhs as a token of appreciation for establishing an industrial and commercial before they knew that they an "El Dorado" in their oil reserves. Thanks. Tony Barros. New Jersey/New York. --- gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- > Archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ > -- > > I do not see the rationale in the Gulf Indians being peeved off, in > not > getting dual citizenship. One would assume that all Gulf Indians > hold Indian > passports. This being the case they have to persuade the Gulf > Countries to > grant them Gulf citizenship. This will never happen!! > > > Cheers Gabe Menezes. > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
[GOANET] Teaching Konkani in Canada
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- Is there anyone in the GTA prepared to teach Konkani? Could you please contact me so that we can discuss this? Please e-mail me privately in the first instance. Deu borem korum. Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ontario, CANADA _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
RE: [GOANET] Re: The WORLD GOAN KONKANI FORUM
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- Hi Rene, Thanks for your kind words and encouragement. To get the program off the ground, start with monthly adult education weekend meetings. This will be education, social interaction and fun meetings encouraging many families to attend. In a whole day (6-hour) session, an hour could be devoted to each subject category (outlined in the Goa study syllabus) with a two hour break for cuisine, of course eating, music and dance. These weekend meetings will not be held every month - December is out and so are months where travel will be bad (monsoon, winter etc). So one is talking of 6-8 in-depth sessions a year. The next step would be to seek a host-site (rotate if necessary) and volunteer teachers with "a burst of interest" in the subject matter. Regards, GL -Original Message- From: renebarreto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 6:04 AM To: Gilbert Lawrence Subject: Re: [GOANET] Re: The WORLD GOAN KONKANI FORUM Hi Gilbert , Thank you for your interest in Konkani and for your participation in a positive way. I take it you are in Australia ? i woudl like you to continue contribute in our discussions on the Goanet , I will be critical at times - just to get other Goans involved ! i would also like you to actively be involved in the WORLD GOANKONKANI Forum as a member of the WGKF Council , I am sure you will make a great contribution to Konkani and Goans world wide. Please share with me your views and thoughts. Please do tell me more about yourself. Waiting to hear form you. I will be in Goa in Feb 2003 for about a month. - Original Message - From: "Gilbert Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 9:42 PM Subject: RE: [GOANET] Re: The WORLD GOAN KONKANI FORUM > -- > Archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ > -- > > Great ideas! Keep up the good work. Let us start with self-learning and > education in our own homes, with family, friends and associates. Till > the university gives recognition, the education can be undertaken in > many places with a small hall or auditorium. These are: public or > private club houses, schools, church or home basements, hospital > classrooms, etc. We should get our knowledge from structured (in depth) > sources rather than hand-me-down anecdotes which were good sources of > information prior to the era of books, tapes, CDs and the internet. > > Here is a basic syllabus for the World Goan Konkani Forum. > Geography Topography, climate, vegetation > Geology, Fauna and Flora > Oceanography and Fisheries > > History Pre-Colonial > Colonial > Post-Colonial > > Culture Konkani language > Music & Dance > Cuisine and Etiquette > > Religions Religions in Goa - Beliefs and History > Comparative and interaction of religions > Religious-cultural intermingle in Goa > > Economy Strengths > (SWOT) Weakness > Opportunities > Threats > The course outline is of course open for change. Regards, GL > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf > Of renebarreto > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 4:57 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [GOANET] Re: The WORLD GOAN KONKANI FORUM > > -- > Archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ > -- > > Tony , > > Can the GOA New York or New Jersey take up this issue ? > > LETS MAKE IT HAPPEN ..don't wait for some else to make it > happen. > > Please keep us informed ...rene > > > - Original Message - > From: "Tony Barros" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 4:14 AM > Subject: Re: [GOANET] Re: The WORLD GOAN KONKANI FORUM > > > > -- > > Archives: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ > > -- > > > > Hey George ! > > > > The New York University (NYU) offers courses in Hindi > > and Brazilian Portuguese among other ethnic languages. I do > > think the number of konkani speakers (goans and mangaloreans) in > > New York and New Jersey would warrant them holding a konkani course. > > > > Tony. > > --- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -- > > > Archives: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ > > > --
RE: [GOANET] Place names...
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- "Kolngutey and Mhapshyanh" I cannot write Konkani either in 'Roman script' or 'Devnagri script'. However, I have few Konknni writers in Roman script including Fr. Antonio Pereira SJ who does not use Roman Alphabet 'y' in his Konknni books. However, this can be clarified from ex-president of KBM bhaii Mr. Damodar Mauzo mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] IMHO, the need of 21st Century for writing Konkani in Romi script is due to internet communication (not that Devnagri cannot be used) like goanet. After living away from Goa over a decade I am forgetting Konkani, the language of our land Goa, perhaps due to my young age :-). Some Goanetters may feel that the Konknni script issue is settled long back in Goa, India politically and culturally. However, time has come for overseas Goans, particularly at this time of dual citizenship for PIO not to forget Konkani but to learn and promote it (perhaps we could include in our New Year's resolution). And, in order to achieve this, the Romi Konknni script is very important for overseas Goans both, now and in future. I am neither raising this (Konknni script) issue again nor I am a non-starter on script issue. The need of written communication in Konkani over internet in Roman script is the need of the 21st century perhaps born along with the offer of 'dual citizenship for PIO'. BTW, I am longing to speak in Konkani as well as to eat the Goan spicy "xacutti". Cip Fernandes -Original Message- Of Sunila Muzawar wrote on January 2003 07:53 Hi Fred, Fred, I warn you that I have taken this issue up very seriously and you will have to reckon with my indepth knowledge of konknii and Goa. :-) I am inclined to insist that Calangute should be Kolngutey and not Congutti. The "l" which in Konknii is a pretty deeply pronounced consonant and should be probably written as "ll"...a double l is not pronounced properly by a section of Goans. In fact they leave it out altogether. The same with "deull" or temple. Many Goans (mostly the Christian and also the Hindi speaking people from the rest of India) leave out the deep l and replace it with a light l sound or even a "d" sound. So they say "deudann" instead of "deullann" and so on. Now the reason for the deep l not being pronounced is due to the Portuguese influence or Hindi influence which does not have this phonetic. That does not mean Konknii does not have it. It does and we should get it right. As far as the others go, the Konknii pronouciation of what we now write as Mapusa definitely has a more "ha" sound after the M and a nasal "n" sound at the end. So I still vote for Mhapshyanhalthough I don't mind changing it to Mhapsheanh.in fact maybe that is more correct. And although I agree with the general spelling for Margao that you have given I still cannot accept the O in it because the O is pronounced almost silently here and in all probability should be written as Madganv. And Goyan is better for Goa while Goen could also be considered. The whole problem is some idiot who knew more Portuguese than English wrote out the English spellings to names of places in Goa. That's why they wrote Panjim where they expected the m to be silent. But that's not the way English would pronounce it. And now we are left with a foreign sounding capital name which no real Goan ever uses expect when he/she converses in English. This is fun. It is also quite hilarious to see the various inputs to this debate. >The problem is that the expat-imagine Goa is quite a different animal from > >what is the current ruling ideology in Goa itself. I agree that Goa means different things to different people. And that's okay. But that is also why many people of Goan origin no longer fit in Goa when they return to Goa after being away for long, abroad. E.g. we have a miniscule portion of the expats on this forum who have hardly even gone to Goa more than a few times in the last twenty years, who happen to think that they know it all. But talking down is a habit many people cultivate when they live a few years abroad and go back east to try to impress on how much they have achieved. Unfortunately, they do let out that they did not achieve even basic courtesy which true Goans have in plenty. Talk to a true native Goan - the gaudo - and see the indepth strength of character and quiet courtesy and respectfulness, not to mention the warmth of heart that they have despite maybe a lack of high education and riches. Somehow, when one goes abroad we mostly see the folks return as brash and loud individuals who think they are God's gift to mankind. The truth is they do not belong anywhere then, neither in the west where they will always be regarded as hailing from India (or Pakistan for that matter) despite the western nation citizenships or
[GOANET] INDIAN RUPEE RATES.
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- NO RESPONSIBILITY IS ACCEPTED FOR RATES GIVEN. USD/INDIAN RUPEE 47.97 EURO 50.67 JAPAN (100 YEN) 40.21 GREAT BRITAIN 77.15 BAHRAIN 127.25 UNITED ARAB EMIRATES 13.06 KUWAIT 160.24 SAUDI ARABIA 12.79 OMAN 124.63 SINGAPORE 27.55 HONGKONG & MACAO 6.15 MALAYSIA 12.63 THAILAND 1.12 SWISS 34.76 CANADA 31.00 AUSTRALIA 27.92 NEW ZEALAND 25.78 DENMARK 6.82 NORWAY 6.99 SWEDEN 5.53 SOUTH AFRICA 5.63 KENYA (100) = 62.00 TANZANIA (100) = 4.86 UGANDA (100) = 2.59 GOLD 1 OZ. 17,005.36 SILVER 1 OZ. 231.70
[GOANET] 12 JAN 2003: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- GOACOM NEWS CLIPPINGS January 12, 2003 CHILD VICTIM UNIT: The conference on making Goa a child-friendly state has recommended that a "victim assistance unit" be set up, comprising social workers, lawyers and others which will guide a child victim through the entire legal procedure, right from filing a police complaint up to the point where the case is disposed of in court. (H) SUICIDE OR ACCIDENT? While the port town (Vasco) is abuzz with speculation that the death of three members of the Shetty family at Sasmolem on Friday may be a case of suicide, the Vasco police assert that it is a clear case of accident Rumours doing the rounds in the city are that Chaitanya Shetye was in a financial crisis after a bar he owned at the Baina red light area had to be closed down after the licence was cancelled. Sources also revealed that he was also running a bar on lease, but that too was sealed after he failed to pay the dues. (WE-GT) EQUAL STATUS TO MARATHI DEMANDED: The president of the 76 th All-India Marathi Literary Conference, Dr Subhash Bhende, said that Marathi was being given "second class" status in Goa in spite of the fact that it had been protecting and propagating Goan culture and tradition for several centuries. Dr Bhende, who was speaking at the inaugural session of the conference at Karad, Maharashtra, on January 11, committed himself for the cause of according official language status on Marathi along with Konkani in Goa. (NT) MAG TO OPPOSE HELMET USE: Reacting swiftly to the move to introduce compulsory helmets from January 20, the Motorcycle Action Group has decided to launch a state-wide peaceful agitation to oppose the fresh moves by the authorities to make use of the protective head gear compulsory. The MAG has called for a public meeting at Institute Menezes Braganza on January 19 at 10 am. (H) GOA'S "KASHTI": The humble "kashti" (loin-cloth) that survived drastic sartorial changes in Goa till much into the twentieth century, could be the single thread that links generations of inhabitants of this small region over the ages. But across the centuries, this region has seen widely differing trends in clothing, according to fashion designer Wendell Rodricks, who is currently finalizing a project he started two years ago, on the history of Goan clothes across the generation. (Frederick Noronha in Herald) RECALL OF GOA DD DIRECTOR DEMANDED: The Goa Hitrakhan Manch has demanded the immediate recall of Goa Doordarshan station director, Chandrakant Bharve, for allegedly acting as an agent of Maharashtra's expansionist policies. (H) CM HAILED: The Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar was in for praise from its coalition partner, UGDP, for boycotting the function of Marathi Literary Meet being held at Karad in Maharashtra. (H) BUs-STOP OPENED: Cortalim MLA Matanhy Saldanha inaugurated a public bus-stop at Cortalim Cross junction, which is donated by Tipan Sea Foods recently. (H) TOURIST COMMITS SUICIDE: Margao police disclosed that 30-year-old R Sanjeeva of Mangalore hanged himself to death in a Margao hotel on the night of January 11. (H) CASE AGAINST TOURIST: The Panjim town police have registered an offence against Sri Lankan Simon Salsena for trying to encash travellers cheques, which were stolen, and also for trying to forge signatures on seven cheques of Rs.50 pounds each. (H) LONG LOST PARTS OF GOA: I know, as a part of free India, Goa is as much Indian as any other region. Goans have never raised their claims over the resources that belonged to Goa. But the attitude of Karnataka and Maharashtra has been so self-centered that Goa is bound to suffer in the long run, if it does not raise its voice of protest. (Chandrakant Keni in NT-Panorama referring to his remark on fresh demarcation of Goa's eastern borders.) THE VIJAYANAGARA CAPITAL: Goa in its long history showcases in all four historic capital cities namely ancient Chandrapur or Chandor on the banks of the Kushawati-Paroda river in the Salcette taluka, a city which ruled the roost as the headquarters of many a dynasty in Goa followed by the famous Govapuri-Gopakapattna (Goa Velha) in Tiswadi on the banks of the Aghanashini (Zuari) followed by Ela (Old Goa) on the banks of the river Gomati (Mandovi) and now Panaji again on the banks of Mandovi. (Prajal Sakhadande in Panorama-NT) A DUTCHMAN: On 3 January 1991 Lodewyk Brust, a 25-year-old business-man from Amsterdam, left Europe in his new boat "Mistral". Twelve years after he started his very on voyage to discovery, Brust explored most of the Far East, North Africa and is presently in Goa, after spending almost a year in Kerala, in preparation for his voyage across the Arabian Sea to Oman. (WE-GT) MUSIC FETE AT KA: Kala Acad
[GOANET] NEWS: Keralites ignored by diaspora meet -- Antony
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- So were Goans... but was there anyone to speak up for them? FN Keralites ignored by diaspora meet: Antony By Sanu George, Indo-Asian News Service Thiruvananthapuram, Jan 10 (IANS) Kerala Chief Minister A.K. Antony is upset that non-resident Keralites have been ignored by the Indian diaspora meet under way in New Delhi. "I fully appreciate the initiative taken by the government to celebrate Pravasi Bharatiya Divas (Indian Diaspora Day), but all of us would have been extremely happy if they had also looked into the issues of those settled in the Middle East, the majority of whom are from Kerala," Antony told reporters here. He hastened to add he was making the statement in his individual capacity and that it did not reflect the views of his cabinet. "What I am emphasising is not just that of granting dual citizenship but other aspects as well," said Antony. Inaugurating the three-day meet Thursday, Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee announced that NRIs and people of Indian origin (PIO) in select countries would be granted dual citizenship. They would, however, not get voting rights. NRIs in the Middle East would not get this benefit. A long-standing demand by successive governments in Kerala has been the granting of voting rights to NRIs. Kerala has said the names of all NRIs from the state be included in the electoral list and that they be allowed to vote in case they were in the state on polling day. According to Kerala Minister for Non-Resident Keralites M.M. Hassan, who is attending the New Delhi meet, the prime minister has not addressed the needs of Malayalis in the Gulf. "Dual citizenship is welcome but it might not have any impact in Kerala," said Hassan in a statement released here. Some 1.6 million Keralites are estimated to be living abroad, a majority of them in the Middle East, and are a major revenue earner for the country. According to the latest state-level banker's committee report, deposits by non-resident Keralites touched an all time high of Rs.257.91 billion in 2002. Over the years, these deposits have soared from Rs.187.24 billion in 2000 to Rs. 214.31 billion in 2001. The total deposits in Kerala banks as on June 30, 2002, was Rs. 528.22 billion. Another pending demand of Keralites in the Gulf is a reduction by Air-India in airfares, especially to the Middle East. "This is a grave issue. Today, while fares from other cities in the country to the Middle East is almost the same, a one-way ticket from Kochi to Dubai on Air-India costs Rs. 10,600 while it is just Rs. 6,500 on Emirates," said K.V. Muraleedharan, president of the Kerala Association of Travel Agents. "Precious foreign exchange is flowing out of the country on account of wrong policies. These are issues which ought to have been addressed at the meeting in Delhi," he said. Still Antony is not disheartened. "We have given several memorandums and representations to the prime minister. We will continue to do this and we are hopeful the needs of Keralites settled abroad would be taken care of," the chief minister said. --Indo-Asian News Service
[GOANET] Re: DUAL CITIZENSHIP for PIOs
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- It is very important to get correct information from the right source, hence, any postings on Goanet regarding dual citizenship for PIOs should quote the source of information, preferably from Government of India, Indian Embassy WEB sites and Press notes. Another important information is 'Formal procedure' for obtaining DUAL CITIZENSHIP for PIOs. -Original Message- Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha wrote on 10 January 2003 18:24 Which are - other than the USA, UK and Canada - the other nations whose PIOs will be eligible for dual citizenship? Jorge - > DUAL CITIZENSHIP: The government yesterday said there was no plan at > present to extend the dual citizenship to People of Indian Origin in > countries beyond the identified seven nations. PIOs in seven countries > including US, UK and Canada are likely to be eligible for dual citizenship. > Addressing the Indian diaspora in New Delhi, Prime Minister Atal Bihari > Vajpayee had announced that PIOs in certain countries will be given dual > citizenship and a legislation to facilitate it will be introduced in the > budge session of Parliament beginning next month. PM Vajpayee told overseas > Indians yesterday that it was not their riches but the richness of their > experience that India sought. (PTI report in GT) >
[GOANET] The Jews of India...
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Some interesting insights. Didn't know much of this myself. Is this fairly
accurate? Of course, Gen Jacob is no longer in Goa as Governor. Don't
miss the other Goa connection in the update below. FN
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Subject: Question 13.9: Who Are The Jews of India, And What Are Their
Origins?
Answer:
India has a legacy of four distinct Jewish groups: the Bene Israel,
the Cochin Jews, the Sephardic Jews from Europe, and the "Baghdadis"
from Iraq. Each group practiced important elements of Judaism and had
active synagogues. The Sephardic rites predominate among Indian Jews.
One of the most important Jewish peoples of India are the Bene Israel
("Sons of Israel"), whose main population centers were Bombay,
Calcutta, Old Delhi, and Ahmadabad. The native language of the Bene
Israel was Marathi, while the Cochin Jews of southern India spoke
Malayalam.
The Bene Israel claim to be descended from Jews who escaped
persecution in Galilee in the 2nd century BCE. The Bene Israel
resemble the non-Jewish Maratha people in appearance and customs,
which indicates intermarriage between Jews and Indians. However, the
Bene Israel maintained the practices of Jewish dietary laws,
circumcision, and observation of Sabbath as a day of rest.
The Bene Israel say their ancestors were oil pressers in the Galil and
they are descended from survivors of a shipwreck. In the 18th Century
they were "discovered" by traders from Baghdad. At that time the Bnei
Israel were practicing just a few outward forms of Judaism (which is
how they were recognised) but had no scholars of their own. Teachers
from Baghdad and Cochin taught them mainstream Judaism in the 18th and
19th centuries.
Jewish merchants from Europe travelled to India in the medieval period
for purposes of trade, but it is not clear whether they formed
permanent settlements in south Asia. Our first reliable evidence of
Jews living in India comes from the early 11th century. It is certain
that the first Jewish settlements were centered along the western
coast. Abraham ibn Daud's 12th century reference to Jews of India is
unfortunately vague, and we do not have further references to Indian
Jews until several centuries later.
The first Jews in Cochin (southern India) were the so-called "Black
Jews", who spoke the Malayalam tongue. The "Sephardic Jews" settled
later, coming to India from western European nations such as Holland
and Spain. A notable settlement of Spanish and Portuguese Jews
starting in the 15th century was Goa, but this settlement eventually
disappeared. In the 17th and 18th centuries, Cochin had an influx of
Jewish settlers from the Middle East, North Africa, and Spain.
The Jews of Cochin say that they came to Cranganore (south-west coast
of India) after the destruction of the Temple in 70ce. They had, in
effect, their own principality for many centuries until a chieftanship
dispute broke out between two brothers in the 15th century. The
dispute led neighbouring princes to dispossess them. In 1524, the
Moors, backed by the ruler of Calicut (today called Kozhikode)
attacked the Jews of Cranganore on the pretext that they were
"tampering" with the pepper trade. Most Jews fled to Cochin and went
under the protection of the Hindu Raja there. He granted them a site
for their own town which later acquired the name "Jew Town" (by which
it is still known).
Unfortunately for the Jews of Cochin, the Portuguese occupied Cochin
in this same period and indulged in persecution of the Jews until the
Dutch displaced them in 1660. The Dutch protestants were tolerant and
the Jews prospered. In 1795 Cochin passed into the British sphere of
influence. In the 19th century, Cochin Jews lived in the towns of
Cochin, Ernakulam, and Parur. Today most of Cochin's Jews have
emigrated (principally to Israel).
16th and 17th century migrations created important settlements of Jews
from Persia, Afghanistan, and Khorasan (Central Asia) in northern
India and Kashmir. By the late 18th century, Bombay became the largest
Jewish community in India. In Bombay were Bene Israel Jews as well as
Iraqi and Persian Jews.
Near the end of the 18th century, a third group of Indian Jews
appears. They are the middle-eastern Jews who came to India through
trade. They established a trading network stretching from Aleppo to
Baghdad to Basra to Surat/Bombay to Calcutta to Rangoon to Singapore
to Hong Kong and eventually as far
[GOANET] Stop the war on Iraq
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- The Texan cartel oil grab is on http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/4915688.htm It was always about Iraq's oil so Americans and Canadians can fill their gas-guzzling SUV's http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/4915734.htm See http://www.unitedforpeace.org/ for opposition to the war. George __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
[GOANET] DUAL CITIZENSHIP AND THE GULF INDIANS.
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- I do not see the rationale in the Gulf Indians being peeved off, in not getting dual citizenship. One would assume that all Gulf Indians hold Indian passports. This being the case they have to persuade the Gulf Countries to grant them Gulf citizenship. This will never happen!! Cheers Gabe Menezes.
[GOANET] Goan IT Pro needs help in CA, USA.
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- Hello Goanetters, If you are in the US and are in a position to help a Goan IT Professional who just got laid off, please let me know. His skills ( SQL Server DBA } & 3 years US Experience in the silicon valley. In willing to relocate & status is H1. He needs desperate help as he has a small kid. Currently located in Santa Clara / Jose area. Deu borem korum Seby Mascarenhas __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
[GOANET] FEATURE: Goa's kashti leaves a trail over time...
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- GOA'S 'KASHTI' LEAVES A TRAIL OVER TIME, RESEARCH ON GARMENTS FIND By Frederick Noronha PANJIM, Jan 11: The humble 'kashti' (loin-cloth), that survived drastic saratorial changes in Goa till much into the twentieth century, could be the single most-lasting thread that links generations of inhabitants of this small region over the ages. But across the ages, this region has seen widely differing trends in clothing -- right from jewel-studded attire of the religious hierarchy, to elaborate silverware that decorated ceremonial elephants, and the quaint mix of east-west influences as reflected in garments like the women's garment called the Pano Bajo -- according to fashion designer Wendell Rodricks. Rodricks is currently finalising a project he started two years ago, on the history of Goan clothes across the generation. It started after being asked to write an article for a book edited by journalist Mario Cabral e Sa. One of India's prominent fashion designers who earned name and fame, says he has earned the money too, and would like to put back something into society. Soon, a coffeetable book on the subject is expected to be out, possibly by the end of 2003. If Rodricks (42), one of the big names among Indian fashion designers could have his way, he plans to set up a museum of Goan clothes across the generations. In this, he has been inspired by Museu Nactional do Traje (Lisbon) director Dr Madalena Braz Teixeira. She heads the Lusitanian national costume museum, which has an amazing range of garments bequeathed down over time. Says he: "I found it so interesting (after writing the initial article on Goan clothes). Everyone said Goa (did not have costumes) of its own. But this is not true. We must research this and leave behind some (knowledge about our) clothing legacy." Rodricks says he tried to move out of simplistic divisions like dividing Goa into categories like pre-Portuguese, Portuguese and post-1961. "We started with the caves of Sattari, and the drawings there, going across the periods of the Buddhists, Shaivites, Vaishnavites and deities like Betal (till recent times)," says he. He also looked at temple sculpture, and etchings by foreign travellers who came to India, so as to get clues about clothing worn over different periods of time. "By now, the documentation is quite thick, totalling about four to five volumes," says Rodricks. For his work, Rodricks tapped the Porvorim-based Xavier Centre of Historical Research, the Goa Central Library, the Goa Archives -- one of the oldest in Asia, which has documents going back to the sixteenth century, notes Wendell. "I had to read the life of Vasco da Gama just to understand what they found when they arrived," says Rodricks, who grew up outside Goa and worked in the Gulf, before studying fashion and re-settlign back home. Three research assistants helped with looking at Islamic influences, the Hindu deities and shoes or jewellery worn. Study-visits to Portugal and the US (Costume Institute of the Fashion Institute of Technology at New York) helped trace civil and military costumes. Rodricks next dream is setting up a museum of Goan clothes. Some sites have been visited, during the ten-day programme of Dr Braz Teixeira, who head's Lisbon national costume museum. One site was visited at Margao; but it was too close to the road, and prone to pollution. Rodrick's dream is to convert the old GMC complex -- which could end up even as a mini brewery, according to some versions -- into a museum of Goan clothing and also a top-level fashion school for churning out specialists. "Money won't be a problem," he says, suggesting that some major firms with a major stake in the clothing and suiting industry have offered their support. Of course, age-old clothes need to be protected from light, insects, dust and even gravity -- "laid flat like babies", says Rodricks. He describes some amazing sarees of Indian siks at the Mohandas Naik collection in Margao. "Owners can loan us the garments and see how we maintain them. If they are satisfied, they could donate the same to the museum. Cultural value has nothing to do with monetary value. Their contribution would be widely recognised," he suggests. In Goa, the Portuguese curator went to the Viscount of Pernem (MLA Deshprabhu's) home to see swords in gold, crowns and ceremonial drapes of elephants. They are due to visit the Rane armoury collection at Sanquelim. They saw beautiful banners at the Museum of Christian Art. "Of course, the Goa of the past is not the Goa as we know it today. Its boundaries kept changing," says Rodricks. "The Konkan coast has been invaded and visited from the Greek and Mesopotamian times." Rodricks says rulers like the Kadambas probably brought in their motifs that, in ti
[GOANET] NEWS-DELHI: Nostalgia, bouquets and brickbats mark diaspora meet
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- Nostalgia, bouquets and brickbats mark diaspora meet (LEADS) By P. Jayaram, Indo-Asian News Service New Delhi, Jan 11 (IANS) The curtain fell on the first-ever convention here of the global Indian diaspora Saturday on a heart-swell of nostalgia, bouquets and brickbats from some 1,400 participants from 60 countries. The government made some important announcements aimed at building bridges between India and the 20 million-strong diaspora, but many delegates to the three-day meet felt the sops were largely aimed at the well-heeled sections of overseas Indians "with an eye on their dollars." Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee's statement that India was not interested in "your riches, only your rich experience," did not impress many. The government's decision to grant dual citizenship to persons of Indian origin (PIOs) only in the U.S, Canada, Britain and some other European Union countries, besides those from Australia, Singapore and New Zealand drew mixed reactions. Many like Ujjal Dosanjh, former premier of Canada's British Columbia province and one of 10 eminent overseas Indians honoured for their achievements with the "Pravasi Bharatiya Samman" Awards at the convention, praised the decision. "It will boost ties and bring in more investment into India," Dosanjh said. But PIOs from Mauritius, Suriname, Trinidad and other smaller islands with considerable ethnic Indian populations felt a little left out of the diaspora celebration. They accused New Delhi of courting overseas Indians, particularly in the U.S. and Britain, for their dollars. A key announcement that came from Finance Minister Jaswant Singh was the government's decision to allow individuals to invest in companies abroad and double investment limits for mutual funds to $1 billion. "There is an emphasis here on NRIs (non-resident Indians). You do not want us, the people of the south. You only want those earning dollars in the north," said Dhundev Bauhdoor, chairman of the Global Organisation of PIOs, Mauritius. He also alleged that the PIOs, whose forefathers had left India as indentured labour over a century ago and were generally from lower Hindu castes, were particularly discriminated against. "My caste left me in my adopted country but does not seem to leave me when I come to India - even when I have done well for myself," he said. Of nearly 1,400 PIOs and NRIs attending the event, many undertook the journey to the land of their forefathers for the first time. Complaints were inevitable in a family reunion of such a scale, but it did not take away from the overwhelming nostalgia and belongingness that the diaspora felt in their country of origin. There were Indians from the French islands of Reunion, Martinique and Guadeloupe who were full of nostalgia on their first visit to India since their ancestors left the country's shores as indentured labour over a century ago. The Pravasi Bharatiya Divas began on January 9 marking the day in 1915 that Mahatma Gandhi returned to India after spending nearly two decades in South Africa. Symbolising the importance of preserving cultural ties between India and its children abroad, the convention kicked off with an inspired double act by two of India's greatest musicians - sitar maestro Pandit Ravi Shankar and Shehnai wizard Ustad Bismillah Khan. Glittering evenings with Hindi film stars such as Shah Rukh Khan and Aishwarya Rai, apart from other celebrities, generated further warmth as the NRIs and PIOs experienced the bitter cold that enveloped the capital this week. Business was conducted as briskly with delegates hearing luminaries such as Nobel laureates Amartya Sen and V.S. Naipaul, Mauritius Prime Minister Anerood Jugnauth and former Commonwealth secretary-general Shridath Ramphal of Guyana or business and corporate achievers like Rajat Gupta, CEO of McKinsey, and Hari Harilela (Hongkong) and Manu Chandaria (Kenya). The panel debates covered a wide range of subjects, although these were too many speakers, with too little interaction. Indian politicians used the occasion fully to hog the limelight that left little time for others to speak. "They are only interested in listening to their own voices. They seem least bit interested in knowing about us," a delegate muttered. Nevertheless, delegates finally had their say as they forced Deputy Prime Minister L.K. Advani to answer uncomfortable questions about the Gujarat communal carnage on the second day of the conference. When Advani asserted that India would always remain a secular nation, Nadira Naipaul, wife of the great novelist, asked in an obvious reference to the February-May sectarian violence whether Muslims, Christians and other minorities were as Indian as PIOs and NRIs. "I don't blame you. The image that has been
[GOANET] Invite to Colva, Longuinhos...
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- One of GoaNet's admin team members, Vivian Coelho and her husband Aristo, are currently down in Goa. They send out an invite (in the typically large-hearted Italiana style) to any GoaNetter in the area... do drop in for lunch between 11 am and 3 pm on Sunday, January 12, 2003 at Longuinhos-Colva. You can confirm with Vivian at 2750731. FN PS: Sorry about the short notice; we only spoke earlier this evening...
Re: [GOANET] Wildgoa trip to Bondla on 12 Jan
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- In a message dated 01/10/2003 4:21:44 AM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << JUNGLE CALLS ! Hello WildGoans, Southern Birdwing will organise its next wildgoa trip for birdlovers " Jungle Calls!" to Bondla Interested participants will have to beat the early birds and make it to the Bondla canteen by 7am and will keep birding till noon, with a brief break for breakfast. >> Hello Neil n Harvey/Tarzan & All: I liked your play on words -- Jungly Goans would have sounded better :-) The really wild ones may like birding for the other 'birds' (British slang for young woman) -- birdies. Cheers: Pat
[GOANET] Margao has to deal with unfinished civic agenda
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- --- Documented by Goa Desc Documentation Service & circulated by Goa Civic & Consumer Action Network (GOA CAN)<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ph:2252660 --- - MMC facing uphill task in shifting garages, creating hawking zone - If relocation of petrol pumps or for that matter staggered timings for city schools is just hanging fire, two years after the administration adopted the traffic plan, the authorities were found wanting too in shifting garages; creation of a hawking zone and maintaining footpaths free of encroachments. And, mind you, there exists over 75 garages and fabrication workshops operating along pavements and roads, if one goes by the admission of officials in the know. A sub-committee comprising of the MMC Chief Officer, Sub-divisional Magistrate and the traffic cell in charge was even constituted to oversee the shifting of these garages and workshops out of the city. Interestingly, no one knows the fate of this committee since two of the members as of today stand transferred while the chief officer retired since then.The incumbents, it appears have not met so far and does not seem to have any idea of the existing committee. Shifting of garages and fabrication workshops was recommended in the traffic management plan. "These garages on pavements and roads are a major nuisance and hindrance to the movement of traffic," the plan states.While there existed around 50 garages operating in the pavements and roadsides when the Margao municipality undertook the survey, many more have been added, not only in the city but in the outskirts as well. An official in the know lamented that unlike other cities in the country, garages are not concentrated in any designated area but are spread across wherever one finds a spare parts shop. On the identification of hawker zone, the less said is better. Like his predecessor, the present Margao Municipal Chief Officer, Gokuldas P Naik too promised to earmark a hawking zone, but in vain. Even the committee that prepared the traffic plan had called for the early identification of the hawker zone as hawking is rampant along the city streets. "This leads to major traffic snarls and hampers pedestrian movement," the traffic plans stated and called for putting an immediate stop to all types of hawking within Margao. In fact, the plan went a step further by recommending stoppage of hawking by fruit vendors, flower vendors, cloth vendors and other types of hawkers in the city. Two years now and all these recommendations still remain on paper, despite the promises and assurances by the civic officials.The rampant encroachment on pavements and footpaths is another area the civic and other authorities have failed to tackle head on. The traffic plan had called for doing away with all such encroachments but sadly nothing much has changed on the ground. HERALD 10/01/03 === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy ===
[GOANET] 11 JAN 2003: GOACOM NEWS CLIPPINGS
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- GOACOM NEWS CLIPPINGS January 11, 2003 LPG FIRE KILLS 3 IN VASCO: In yet another tragic incident in the port city, Chaintanya Shetty (45), his son Pritesh and wife Nayana (38) perished and their daughter Pritiksha got seriously injured in a domestic gas cylinder blast on January 11. The family of four were sleeping in the bedroom, next to the kitchen, the blast occurred on the second floor of Utkarsha Apartments at Sasmolem in Baina. Police assume that the knob of the gas stove must have been kept on resulting in leakage of gas spreading to the kitchen as well as the bedroom. One of the family members must have switched on the light to ascertain the cause of the gas smell, and the spark from the electrical fitting must have caused the fire and the blast. (GT) IT'S HELMET TIME AGAIN: Beginning from January 20, the Goa police will make wearing of helmets compulsory for two-wheeler riders in the State. Announcing this at a seminar in Margao on January 10, DIG Karnal Singh said the rule will be implemented initially on the highways and then gradually to other road routes. (H) MODI BACKS PM'S GOA MUSINGS: After winning the elections on the Hindutva plank, Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi yesterday parried questions on VHP's Hindutva and hailed the prime minister for his "boldness" in defining the concept through his Goa musings. (PTI report in GT) SECURITY ID CARDS FOR GOANS: The Chief Secretary, Mr Baleshwar Rai, said that all Goans above the age of 15 will be issued multi-purpose national security identity cards in the next 2 years. In the first phase, residents of Tiswadi taluka would be covered under the project. (NT) CITIZENS IDENTITY CARDS: "The move to issue national identity cards is not only welcome but long overdue. India, in fact, is one of the few countries in the world which does not have such a system. The issuance of the card is being contemplated primarily for security reasons As in the rest of the country, in Goa also there is a large number of foreign nationals. Besides the Pakistanis, who are in Goa officially and un-officially, there are also an increasing number of Nepalis who have entered the hospitality industry in a very big way. There is also a sizable European expatriate community in Goa many of whom have been in the State for over two decades." (Edit in Herald) TANUJA MURDER CASE: Tanuja Naik murder case action committee has filed a writ petition in the Bombay High Court at Goa in Panaji praying that the state government be directed to hand over the investigations of the case to Central Bureau of Investigation. (GT) POLICY ON PRE-PRIMARY EDUCATION: A day-long meeting on making Goa a "Child Friendly State" has strongly recommended that the government adopt a definite policy on pre-primary education so that pre-primary schools are all registered with the authorities, that education is imparted on the principle of "joy of learning" and that an alternative education should be formulated to take care of school drop-outs. (H) CHORAO FERRY STRANDED: All the passengers on board ferry "Sanguem" plying from Chorao to Ribandar were stranded for over one-and-a-half hour on Wednesday when the "platform" (used by commuters and vehicles to cross over when the ferry is anchored at the jetty) gave way and collapsed. (GT) CABLE TV SYSTEM: Seeking the intervention of the Chief Minister, Manohar Parrikar, in the vexed issue, the All Goa Cable TV Users Association has suggested that the Goa Infrastructure Development Corporation should take over the cable TV system in Goa on no-profit no-loss basis. (GT) MMC MEET POSTPONED: The chairperson of Mapusa Municipal Council deferred the special council meeting fixed at 10.30 am yesterday to consider the motion of no-confidence against the vice-chairperson Sudhir Kandolkar, for lack of quorum. Meanwhile, the Director of Urban Development has convened a special meeting of Mapusa Municipal Council on 14 January to consider the motion of no-confidence moved against the chairperson by vice-chairperson Sudhir Kandolkar and Councillors Shubhangi Vaingankar, Prabhakar Vernekar, Farida D'Souza, Sandeep Falari and Oscar D'Souza. (GT) WARDENS ON MIRAMAR BEACH: The Panjim Municipal Council will shortly be cracking the whip at Miramar beach by deploying environmental wardens to ensure that the sandy shores at Miramar are kept free from plastic and non-biodegradable waste. (H) A CASE FOR AEROBUS: Expressing surprise of the government's decision to implement the Skybus project, Aerobus, an American company which claims to have varied experience in transit systems like the Skybus, has asked the state government to form a committee that will undertake feasibility studies of various proposed modes of m
[GOANET] AVF and Leo Cordeiro
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- Sorry to use this public forum - AVF and Leo - please call me in Goa ASAP at 2750-731. AVF, this is assuming you're here. :-))) V __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
RE: [GOANET] Re: The WORLD GOAN KONKANI FORUM
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- Great ideas! Keep up the good work. Let us start with self-learning and education in our own homes, with family, friends and associates. Till the university gives recognition, the education can be undertaken in many places with a small hall or auditorium. These are: public or private club houses, schools, church or home basements, hospital classrooms, etc. We should get our knowledge from structured (in depth) sources rather than hand-me-down anecdotes which were good sources of information prior to the era of books, tapes, CDs and the internet. Here is a basic syllabus for the World Goan Konkani Forum. Geography Topography, climate, vegetation Geology, Fauna and Flora Oceanography and Fisheries History Pre-Colonial Colonial Post-Colonial Culture Konkani language Music & Dance Cuisine and Etiquette Religions Religions in Goa - Beliefs and History Comparative and interaction of religions Religious-cultural intermingle in Goa Economy Strengths (SWOT) Weakness Opportunities Threats The course outline is of course open for change. Regards, GL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of renebarreto Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 4:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [GOANET] Re: The WORLD GOAN KONKANI FORUM -- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- Tony , Can the GOA New York or New Jersey take up this issue ? LETS MAKE IT HAPPEN ..don't wait for some else to make it happen. Please keep us informed ...rene - Original Message - From: "Tony Barros" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 4:14 AM Subject: Re: [GOANET] Re: The WORLD GOAN KONKANI FORUM > -- > Archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ > -- > > Hey George ! > > The New York University (NYU) offers courses in Hindi > and Brazilian Portuguese among other ethnic languages. I do > think the number of konkani speakers (goans and mangaloreans) in > New York and New Jersey would warrant them holding a konkani course. > > Tony. > --- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > > Archives: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ > > -- > > > > Dear all: > > > > Last month the Sikh Association at San Jose State University here > > in Silicon Valley, California, > > asked me to give a speech to their group. I found out that they > > offer Punjabi classes at the > > University and many students have signed up over the years. The > > Sikh community is large in San > > Jose. More importantly it is united and organized to the extent > > they are building a US$40 million > > Gurudwara. > > > > The reason I mention this: perhaps it is time for Konkani to be > > offered as a class through local > > colleges/universities especially in areas where there is a large > > Goan population (London, Toronto, > > Lisbon, Kuwait, etc.). Perhaps these classes are already offered > > there? If so, let us know. It > > is simpler than one thinks to get a class organized, but it is up > > to the local community to > > petition their colleges/universities and push hard for it. > > Anything in life worth having is worth > > fighting for. Are we up to the fight or are other groups going to > > set the Goan agenda (which has > > been historically the case). > > > > George
Re: [GOANET] 10 JAN 2003: GOACOM NEWS CLIPPINGS
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- > > DUAL CITIZENSHIP: The government yesterday said there was no plan at > present to extend the dual citizenship to People of Indian Origin in > countries beyond the identified seven nations. PIOs in seven countries > including US, UK and Canada are likely to be eligible for dual citizenship. > Addressing the Indian diaspora in New Delhi, Prime Minister Atal Bihari > Vajpayee had announced that PIOs in certain countries will be given dual > citizenship and a legislation to facilitate it will be introduced in the > budge session of Parliament beginning next month. PM Vajpayee told overseas > Indians yesterday that it was not their riches but the richness of their > experience that India sought. (PTI report in GT) > Which are - other than the USA, UK and Canada - the other nations whose PIOs will be eligible for dual citizenship? Jorge
Re: [GOANET] Re: The WORLD GOAN KONKANI FORUM
-- Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ -- Hi rene n George ! I do not think they would be interested, but I could do some exploratory work with NYU, or some other college that also teaches languages. rgds. Tony. --- renebarreto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- > Archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ > -- > > Tony , > > Can the GOA New York or New Jersey take up this issue ? > > LETS MAKE IT HAPPEN ..don't wait for some else to make it > happen. > > Please keep us informed ...rene > > > - Original Message - > From: "Tony Barros" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 4:14 AM > Subject: Re: [GOANET] Re: The WORLD GOAN KONKANI FORUM > > > > -- > > Archives: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ > > -- > > > > Hey George ! > > > > The New York University (NYU) offers courses in Hindi > > and Brazilian Portuguese among other ethnic languages. I do > > think the number of konkani speakers (goans and mangaloreans) in > > > New York and New Jersey would warrant them holding a konkani > course. > > > > Tony. > > --- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -- > > > Archives: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net/ > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Goanet2003/ > > > -- > > > > > > Dear all: > > > > > > Last month the Sikh Association at San Jose State University > here > > > in Silicon Valley, California, > > > asked me to give a speech to their group. I found out that > they > > > offer Punjabi classes at the > > > University and many students have signed up over the years. > The > > > Sikh community is large in San > > > Jose. More importantly it is united and organized to the > extent > > > they are building a US$40 million > > > Gurudwara. > > > > > > The reason I mention this: perhaps it is time for Konkani to be > > > offered as a class through local > > > colleges/universities especially in areas where there is a > large > > > Goan population (London, Toronto, > > > Lisbon, Kuwait, etc.). Perhaps these classes are already > offered > > > there? If so, let us know. It > > > is simpler than one thinks to get a class organized, but it is > up > > > to the local community to > > > petition their colleges/universities and push hard for it. > > > Anything in life worth having is worth > > > fighting for. Are we up to the fight or are other groups going > to > > > set the Goan agenda (which has > > > been historically the case). > > > > > > George > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
