Re: [Goanet] Skepticism regarding the new miracle - More information
-- What's On In Goa: * Oct 11: Konkani translation of Satre book, Alliance Francaise * Oct 12: Goa Orchestra performs at the Kala (Corelli, Bach) * Oct 15: Magic in town... Illusion India magic show, Pnj then Vasco * Mid-Oct: 2-day ornithologists workshop, Bondla southernbirdwing.com -- I am one who sincerely believes in miracles. I was saved from death some years ago and my demise was predicted and hoped for but I prayed to Allah, lit candles and went to all the holy shrines (Mecca, Jerusalem, Benares, Potta and Goa). Now I am whole. I was once a sinner but now I am whole as the hymn goes. Long live miracles - I relieve myself on those who do not believe in them. Edgar Martins P.S. Amazing grace! How sweet the sound That saved a wretch like me I once was lost but now I'm found Was blind but now I see. To view GoaNet's archives http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net For (un)subscribing or for help, contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't want so many e-mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead!
Re: [Goanet] Skepticism regarding the new miracle - More information
-- What's On In Goa: * Oct 11: Konkani translation of Satre book, Alliance Francaise * Oct 12: Goa Orchestra performs at the Kala (Corelli, Bach) * Oct 15: Magic in town... Illusion India magic show, Pnj then Vasco * Mid-Oct: 2-day ornithologists workshop, Bondla southernbirdwing.com -- --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Long live miracles - I relieve myself on those who do not believe in them. Then I guess I must not leave the kitchen to enter the toilet, as some have done:-) Cheers, Santosh To view GoaNet's archives http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net For (un)subscribing or for help, contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't want so many e-mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead!
Re: [Goanet] Skepticism regarding the new miracle - More information
-- What's On In Goa: * Oct 11: Konkani translation of Satre book, Alliance Francaise * Oct 12: Goa Orchestra performs at the Kala (Corelli, Bach) * Oct 15: Magic in town... Illusion India magic show, Pnj then Vasco * Mid-Oct: 2-day ornithologists workshop, Bondla southernbirdwing.com -- On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Marlon Menezes wrote: I wonder if this miracles business is unique to the goan psyche. You should pay a visit to the various dargahs of Sufi saints and see what a multi-million dollar business these miracles have turned into. I think Santosh Helekar made a very interesting point. People lending belief to these miracles tend to ignore the available medical remedies. -- Tariq Siddiqui *** My teaching, if that is the word you want to use, has no copyright. You are free to reproduce, distribute, interpret, misinterpret, distort, garble, do what you like, even claim authorship, without my consent or the permission of anybody. *** To view GoaNet's archives http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net For (un)subscribing or for help, contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't want so many e-mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead!
RE: [Goanet] Skepticism regarding the new miracle - More information
-- What's On In Goa: * Oct 11: Konkani translation of Satre book, Alliance Francaise * Oct 12: Goa Orchestra performs at the Kala (Corelli, Bach) * Oct 15: Magic in town... Illusion India magic show, Pnj then Vasco * Mid-Oct: 2-day ornithologists workshop, Bondla southernbirdwing.com -- Scientific evidence may be required for science and for scientists. There is no dispute on this matter whatsoever. However, there are many things in life and in the universe that there could be NO scientific evidence or beyond the capability of people dominated by scientific minded (individual or collectively) to understand. Perhaps, to understand a miracle one needs to go beyond scientific mind. One thing is sure: a person who is dominated by his/her scientific mind is NOT capable to understand what is going in this universe beyond his/her scientific mind. ps. I have tried various techniques on my mother, such as arm twisting, choking, turning crosses upside down etc so that she sees the light. Unfortunately I have not been very successful. Any other suggestions? Here is a suggestion. You may try above mentioned techniques on yourself, perhaps, there may be a Miracle! -Original Message- Marlon Menezes wrote on 08 October 2002 03:03 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Skepticism regarding the new miracle - More information I wonder if this miracles business is unique to the goan psyche. My mother and some of her religious friends are firm believers in miracles. As a kid, I remember them being thrilled after one of their patients who had cancer was miraclously cured. Unfortunately for them, this person died a few months later. Another relative of mine broke her ankle walking down a flight of stairs. Numerous visits to the doctors never did get her foot fixed right. She then went to this place called Pota (not too sure about the spelling) and claimed that she was healed there. A few months later she fell again and the injury was several times worse than before. Several years on, she still walks with a limp. Hmm, I need to ask her why she never went back to Pota. When a so called miracle happens, it is used as proof of the power of god, prayers etc. When a miracle does not happen, it is attributed to god's ways being mysterious and that what has happened is for the best. Another thing with goan catholics - whats' their obsession with idols, oops, I mean, statues? One finds these statues (as well as the standard picture of mary and jesus) in almost every room of the house. When ever I go home, I make it a point to turn around all the statues so that they face the wall so that they can have some privacy as they relieve themselves. Marlon ps. I have tried various techniques on my mother, such as arm twisting, choking, turning crosses upside down etc so that she sees the light. Unfortunately I have not been very successful. Any other suggestions? -- Original Message -- From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:31:00 - --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], J. Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those who wish to discuss this further, please find someone else. There has been no new information. I am not interested. Sorry. Here is some new information. This is of course for people who are interested in knowing the truth, and especially for those who base their views on scientific evidence. Cheers, Santosh TERESA 'MIRACLE' UNDER SCANNER Times News Network [ Friday, October 04, 2002 12:10:18 AM] SILIGURI: Doctors here are upset at reports about the alleged miraculous cure by the 'heavenly touch' of Mother Teresa. Cardinals in the Vatican this week accepted the 'miracle' performed by Mother Teresa when she cured an 'incurable' Monica Besra (32). To view GoaNet's archives http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net For (un)subscribing or for help, contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't want so many e-mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead!
Re: [Goanet] Skepticism regarding the new miracle - More information
-- What's On In Goa: * Oct 8: Vegetarian Society meet, Miramar 6.30pm Youth Hostel * Oct 11: Konkani translation of Satre work, Alliance Francaise * Oct 12: Goa Orchestra performs at the Kala (Corelli, Bach) * Oct 15: Magic in town... Illusion India magic show, Pnj then Vasco * Mid-Oct: 2-day ornithologists workshop, Bondla southernbirdwing.com -- I wonder if this miracles business is unique to the goan psyche. My mother and some of her religious friends are firm believers in miracles. As a kid, I remember them being thrilled after one of their patients who had cancer was miraclously cured. Unfortunately for them, this person died a few months later. Another relative of mine broke her ankle walking down a flight of stairs. Numerous visits to the doctors never did get her foot fixed right. She then went to this place called Pota (not too sure about the spelling) and claimed that she was healed there. A few months later she fell again and the injury was several times worse than before. Several years on, she still walks with a limp. Hmm, I need to ask her why she never went back to Pota. When a so called miracle happens, it is used as proof of the power of god, prayers etc. When a miracle does not happen, it is attributed to god's ways being mysterious and that what has happened is for the best. Another thing with goan catholics - whats' their obsession with idols, oops, I mean, statues? One finds these statues (as well as the standard picture of mary and jesus) in almost every room of the house. When ever I go home, I make it a point to turn around all the statues so that they face the wall so that they can have some privacy as they relieve themselves. Marlon ps. I have tried various techniques on my mother, such as arm twisting, choking, turning crosses upside down etc so that she sees the light. Unfortunately I have not been very successful. Any other suggestions? -- Original Message -- From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:31:00 - --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], J. Almeida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those who wish to discuss this further, please find someone else. There has been no new information. I am not interested. Sorry. Here is some new information. This is of course for people who are interested in knowing the truth, and especially for those who base their views on scientific evidence. Cheers, Santosh TERESA 'MIRACLE' UNDER SCANNER Times News Network [ Friday, October 04, 2002 12:10:18 AM] SILIGURI: Doctors here are upset at reports about the alleged miraculous cure by the 'heavenly touch' of Mother Teresa. Cardinals in the Vatican this week accepted the 'miracle' performed by Mother Teresa when she cured an 'incurable' Monica Besra (32). To view GoaNet's archives http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-net For (un)subscribing or for help, contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't want so many e-mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead!
