Re: [Goanet] Undeveloped Language - What Nonsense!
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well said Santosh and I do hope that you have found a cure for AIDS. Edgar Martins Hi Edgar: Thanks for your comments. Finding a cure for AIDS is not my cup of coffee. I am busy with less ambitious ventures. Cheers, Santosh Orlando Fernandes wrote: I need to read more about this debate can you point me somewhere? Cheers Orlando Hi Orlando: Good to hear from you again. Regarding the Konkani-Marathi debate, you are in a better position to have access to material related to and personalities involved in this issue. Please contact the Konkani Bhasha Mandal or some active Konkaniwadi such as Dr. Bicaji Ghanekar for more information on it. Cheers, Santosh =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
Re: [Goanet] Undeveloped Language - What Nonsense!
In a message dated 8/11/02 8:44:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: KONKANI AND PANDORA'S BOX: A developed language is a pre-requisite for a developed society. It is therefore absurd to search for Goa's Asmitai or identity in Konkani, which is nothing but an undeveloped form of Marathi, according to the principles of the science of language. Marathi is India's third great and one of the major languages in the world. Denial to it its rightful claim in Official Language Act, 1987, was a serious matter. (Jaisinghrao V Rane in Panorama-NT) Those of us of Indian origin and Goans in particular have to learn the meaning of 'Enough is Enough' and not beat their drums to the same rythm. They become boring and intollerable and I can understand the feelings of Santosh and Samir and many others who cherish the fact (after having spilt blood) that we have our own language recognised by the Government of India. No one should be forced to study Konkani and if they choose to learn and speak Marathi, so be it. Marathi speaking Goans should note that they make life for themselves more difficult if they persist in not knowing Konkani. There are a host of languages that are akin to each other without controversy. The Spaniards can claim that Portuguese is a root of Spanish and it is so. But after centuries of development and use, it has become a language in its own right. Similarly, Dutch, Swiss German, Austrian and even the language of Alsace Lorraine and the Saarland are derived from the German Sprache. So what, there is no controversy in Europe over their identities. So why in India and in Goa in particular should someone like Jaisinghrao Rane, whose ancestors were given shelter in Goa and who helped the Portuguese Army dominate Indians and Africans (The Rane's served in the Portuguese Army in Africa) attempt to make such a ridiculous statement? We in Goa are happy to live with Konkani and no one is forced to learn it. Those who maintain that we should accept the predominant position of Marathi should just step over the border to live where they are comfortable. Well said Santosh and I do hope that you have found a cure for AIDS. Edgar Martins =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
[Goanet] Undeveloped Language - What Nonsense!
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joel D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KONKANI AND PANDORA'S BOX: A developed language is a pre-requisite for a developed society. It is therefore absurd to search for Goa's Asmitai or identity in Konkani, which is nothing but an undeveloped form of Marathi, according to the principles of the science of language. Marathi is India's third great and one of the major languages in the world. Denial to it its rightful claim in Official Language Act, 1987, was a serious matter. (Jaisinghrao V Rane in Panorama-NT) The above statement is absolute nonsense. The science of language would never claim that Konkani is an undeveloped language, or for that matter, only a form of Marathi. What principles of science of language is this guy talking about? Can he state them? According to modern linguistics any language is characterized as a fully developed independent language if it displays the following characteristics: 1. It is spoken by a significant number of people for several generations, with several generations of their children having learned to speak it naturally. 2. It has its own vocabulary, grammar, phraseology, figures of speech, idiomatic expressions, etc. 3. It is distinguished from being a dialect of another language by not being fully intelligible to a native speaker of that other language unaided by formal education or informal exposure. By all three of the above linguistic criteria Konkani is a fully developed language, distinct from Marathi or any other language. 1. Konkani is known to be spoken since at least the 11th century. 2. Apart from having a vast lexicon, rich syntax and phraseology, and a wonderful corpus of idiomatic and figurative expressions, it has some rules of word formation that very few world languages, if any possess. For instance, a tree bearing a particular fruit, such as guava can only be called a guava tree in English, or a peruche zhaad in Marathi. But in Konkani the fruit is called perr and its tree is called peyr. Very few languages, if any have special words for stinking smells emanating from different sources. In English we have perhaps five words that mean the same thing stink, stench, malodor, fetor, and reek. In Marathi, ghaann vaas and perhaps, a couple of other synonyms. Similarly in Hindi, perhaps, only budhboo. But in Konkani, there is a unique word for each type of bad smell. I will just list a few that I know without specifying the source. First, of course is the generic ghaann. But then we have gutthaann, khaathsaann, hivllaann, himsaann and dhorbottaan. 3. Konkani and Marathi are largely mutually unintelligible to native speakers of each language who have not been exposed in a formal or informal way to the other. Cheers, Santosh =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=- To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet == For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
