[Goanet] RE: Goan Culture: Catholic weddings
GOAN HISTORY and CULTURE: This is the regular Sunday account of some aspect of Goan Culture. In response to several requests to transmit this message to other Goan websites, please feel free to do so! Please use our name and e-mail address so that we can receive direct feedback from the readers; which is welcome! Those expressing a desire to see this narration in the native language are welcomed to translate it into Konkani. Additionally the literal translation may be a good way for people to become skilled at our native language. Those NOT interested in Goan History or Culture: And Those who know it all! Please feel free to hit the DEL button NOW. I invite Goans to review what they read, add their own views and use the information to start a dialogue with their family as a Sunday talk or a mid-week dinner-conversation. Or it could be a topic for conversation of a Goan club meeting. Hopefully this will stimulate among all of us, including our families, a discussion on the language of Goan culture. It will also help us review some of our own personal experiences and the practices of other native communities. Please feel free to pass this on to any young Goan couple planning their wedding. Those who have not followed all these rituals (and there are many of us), it is nice to know "the right thing" without having a chip on our shoulder. This is our cultural language!!! We will be called upon many times to guide other young Goan couples and our own children in planning their wedding. We hopefully will be better informed. GOAN WEDDINGS Abstracted from the book Amchi Khobor - Our News - Inside Goa By Philomena Lawrence and Gilbert Lawrence Hope you read our last week's posting on the Hindu Lagan since there are some pre-& post-nuptials rituals that over-lap between Hindus and Catholics. Catholic weddings are not scheduled during lent or advent, and the monsoon season is not suitable for weddings. The bride and groom begin their wedding day by praying, along with members of their family, at the family altars in their own homes. They also receive blessings (bessaum) from their parents and older relatives before leaving to go to church. The marriage ceremony (cazar or Kazar) is usually held after the noon hour, and celebrated with mass. The groom is traditionally led to the altar by his mother, followed by the bride who is escorted by her father (for the last time). The bride is usually preceeded by the page boy, flower maids, bridesmaid. Today, many couples choose to have the officiating priest escort them together to the altar. The important event is the public exchange of vows that the young couple makes "to take each other ...till death do us part." Marriage is symbolized by the exchange of wedding bands/rings, which are external signs of marriage. In both Hindu and Christian customs, the couple is blessed by the community (panch karya) manifested by showering them with turmeric soaked rice (akshata). The groom wears traditional dress or a suit. The bride wears a red sari or white wedding gown. The Catholic wedding party includes the bride's-maids (dhedyo), flower girls, page boys and the best man (dhedo). After the wedding rite, the party goes off for the memorable photo session. The groom's sister then places a gold necklace on the bride. One thing is definite! Goans do not practice drive-through weddings nor do they elope! There is no pre-marital live-in arrangement! Like all societies, marriage is a cultural institution. Contrary to what some think, marriage is not a private affair between two individuals. Hence while some like to give their wedding their own personal touch, it would help if they added on to the core cultural custom rather than replacing it. It is often said (with some truth and some fiction) in Indian culture one marries and then falls in love as opposed to falling in love and then marrying. With either approach, the success of a marriage requires the couple to live and work together to make the partnership a success. Culture helps define roles and relations between the couple especially when the two are estranged. Close relatives and friends try to help preserve the marriage which is more important that economic success. As is often the case, there is need for common priorities. This cultural sermaum replaces the padre-vigar's religious sermaum delivered during the ritual, which we have not described in detail. A wedding (lagan, shadi, cazar) is followed by a reception and a marriage feast (jeevan). At the reception there is gaiety, frivolity, expressions of good wishes and music. Goans know how to have a good time. Young boys and girls (even pre-teens) may get their first opportunity to meet, dance and perhaps have their first taste of wine when the toast is raised. Guests sing traditional wedding songs, other folk music and dance. The couple cuts the wedding cake. A respected member of the society known to both parties raises a toast and extols the virtues of the c
Re: [Goanet] Re: BILLY GRAHAM'S DAUGHTER INTERVIEW
I second Santosh on George Pinto. Also, I am glad that the little stone that I had flung in the pond of moral values has subscribed to a worthwhile debate. Re: Criminals have moral code of conduct, reminds me a story of a robber who before climbing the coconut tree said a fervent prayer to the Lord so he may not be caught. In whatever we do, each one of us are morally justified in our own way through our own conscience. The problem is the conscience. It is universal and knows right from wrong. But forceful suppression of its legitimate voice is what results in moral degradation. Just my views. Floriano > > Even criminals have a moral code of conduct amongst themselves and the same > > perhaps could be said of Satanic cults. > > > > Paddy: > I hope you are not equating atheists and impious people whose moral values are grounded on non-religious philosophies, with criminals and members of Satanic cults. I would also like to say that George Pinto is a decent and honorable man. I have no reason to think that his post is motivated by anything other than an honest and thoughtful opinion. I am in full agreement with the views expressed by him in that post. > > Cheers, > > Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet] Re: Workshop on Gram Sabhas after 73rd. Amendment
31st. May, 2003 To, Convenors 1) Peaceful Society 2) Goadesc Resource Centre. Dear Sirs, Subject: Workshop on Gram Sabhas after 73rd. Amendment. We extend our deepest apologies to you for not having been able to attend the above workshop due to most unfortunate and unforeseen circumstances. We were indeed looking forward to participate in this workshop. However, we would like to make known to you the gist of our prepared speech which was to be delivered at the workshop. We thank you for extending us the invite and we are hopeful that you will condone our non participation. Thanking you Yours faithfully, for Goa Su-Raj Party sd/- Floriano Lobo President. 73RD CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT & GRAM SABHAS On behalf of the Goa Su-Raj Party, I thank the organizers, the Peaceful Society & the Goadesc Resource Centre for having extended us this invitation for this workshop. At the outset, let me say that it is a visionary thought which has gone into the framing of the 73rd. Amendment to the Constitution of India, 11 years ago. The Statement of Objects and Reasons clearly expresses the fears of the framers that the Panchayati Raj has failed to take off as desired for the past preceding 40 years and therefore the need for this Amendment. And it is difficult to say that any headway has been achieved in the implementation of this Amendment since 1992. We are here for just that reason. For the reason that Panchayati Raj has failed and failed miserably. Under article 243G the State Legislature is duty bound to endow the Panchayats with powers to conduct their own business such as mentioned in sub clause (a) the preparation of plans for economic development and social justice with access to developmental funds. And the entire Eleventh Schedule is a colourful and vibrant document. Now, to come to the conclusion that the Panchayati Raj has failed to take off as envisioned and hence this 73rd. Amendment, what the Liberation of Goa has given Goa is an untried, unviable, and unreliable system of local self governance at the cost of destroying the time tested and vibrant local self governing institution of Comunidades of Goa that existed and worked successfully from the 11th century, that we know of, and perhaps much before that, prior to the coming of the Portuguese colonial rule in Goa. Today, what the Eleventh Schedule is seeking to do had been done satisfactorily by the functioning of Communidades of Goa. Look at Goa today. The Panchayati Raj has destroyed our carefully nurtured agriculture. We have destroyed our agricultural lands by not maintaining our bunds and sluice gates. And above all, the Panchayati Raj today is a shame, nothing better than our legislative assembly. It is only giving us aspirants for the august chairs of the legislative assembly trained in the job of circumventing the rules and laws of the land and building up confidence and brazenness in themselves to belittle and redicule the meek and mild authority, the custodian of the laws if there are any left. And if it is not, then just take a look at the functioning of the office of the director or Panchayats. Any person who occupies the chair of the Director of Panchayats, however good he/she may be, becomes a rubber band to be stretched and twisted by the political masters to enhance their chances of re-election. A classic example is in the Parra junction affair where the Gram Sabha resolved to have a traffic island and the Panchayat gave building licence for a storied building instead with full and contemptible disregard to the Gram Sabha resolution. And the directorate of Panchayat is impotent to do anything about it. Never has a person, however wrong or deficient he might have been in his paper work , and who has approached the director of Panchayats for a stay, has not come empty handed. In many cases, Panchayats who have been trying hard to do justice (which is rare of course) have been demoralized by the non action of the directorate of Panchayats. Today, Gram Sabhas are shams. A lot of resolutions are passed in good faith by the conscious Gram Sabha members. But the implementation of those resolutions remain the sole prerogative of the elected members of the Panchayat, who are now paid fat salaries to contemptibly ignore what the Gram Sabha members suggest and want done. Goa is today only the second state in the Indian Union to spit on the 73rd. amendment and make provisions to hand over the golden pot of 20 lac rupees or more of development funds in the hands of each MLA to do what he/she feels right. Basically, this is the pocket money for each MLA to invest in his re-election and be friends with the ruling party to keep it going. If this 73rd. amendment will work at all, the golden pot that the legislature is (read developmental funds) sitting close to, and for which reason there is a rat -race to get into that position, must be channelised to the grass-root self governing bodies under the 73r
Re: [Goanet] Art College Incident not the first case!
Way back in the early seventies, it was alleged that a group of Dhempe College hostelites gang raped a sex worker and left her for dead very close to the memorial of Bhausaheb Bandodkar. I am not to sure if the culprits were ever brought to book. Colaco __ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet] RE: For your Sunday Laughing Pleasure
For your Sunday Laughing Pleasure Goan-art form called Kaneos. And like our Tiatr, there is the serious Kaneos and the 'fokana kaneos' (a.k.a. Konkani Parodies). Now, it is difficult to come to America with all this international tension. For those desiring to do so for a vacation and cannot make it; here is a taste of what you are missing. This is also a story for the second generation Goans to appreciate American and native humor. Amcho Forsu (Our Francis) went to visit his brothers in Amrica. He was given the royal treatment even though he landed in New York. Forsu was mesmerized by what he saw in downstate New York. And in upstate New York, he saw the big homes, the big green mountains, even though they are called the "cat's hills" and the big cars. Even the deer in Amrica were bigger than the samburs he saw in the wildlife game reserves in Goa. In Nu Yorrk, he met Bosteaom (Sebastean). Tho amcho suta-butan he remarked! Back in amchi-wadi he was whole day sitting and making pateoo, pateoo. Atam to boro dista (He looks good compared to the time he was swathing flies back in our village). After a great time, he visited his other brother in Texas. He was given the Texas size welcome in Dallas. He filled his brother with information from Amchem Bhangarachem Goem (our golden Goa). On his tour of Dallas, Amcho Forsu was flabbergasted. After the bau keso hai reh (how are you doing brother?); he shared with him how things were in Nu Yorrk. Borem vodlem (real big) compared to amchem Goem said Forsu. His brother replied those Yankees have things that are big, but it is actually small compared to us in Texas where everything is large, real large. Aum tuka soglem dakoitam!!! (I will show you everything). <>. Look at Amchem cheppem (our hats) said the Texan. Those Yankees wear those little cheppem they call baseball caps. Here we wear the real Texan hats. Voi, bore vodlem cheppem!!! Yes, really big hats. Look at our mochem (shoes) and we call them boots. We have the large cars. (avoi ge!!!) etc. etc. Everything here is large, very large. Voi Saiba!(Yes Sir) In the evening they went out to eat. The Texan ordered a couple of beers. They came in two big jugs shaped like a foot-long boot. Bogos Saiba!!! (Lord have mercy). The Texan said, this is not like those puny beer mugs of the Yankees or the little beer glasses of the Brits. He then ordered a Texas steak which over-filed the plate. They were obviously having a great time. Midway through their delicious dinner, Amcho Forsu had to excuse himself to relieve his "filtered beer" sussu-bussu. So he went looking for the toilet. The brother politely waited for 15 minutes Then, half an hour. And then an hour. He got worried about his appurbaicho bau (dear brother). He went to check the men's rest room. That was empty. Now the brother was very apprehensive and started the search. He went down a couple of corridors and turned right and then left. This led to a swimming pool. Surprise, surprise Forsu was inside the swimming pool. Amcho Forsu seeing his brother shouts - aree Saiba, aree Saiba ... rao ree, rao ree, wait, wait, wait. Please, do not flush; Please, do not flush! Regards, GL To the Canadians who have written that this laughing is keeping them healthy, please send your OHIP (health insurance) card.=:)). Talking of the Canadians, when is the G.O.A. in Toronto having their World Goa Day celebrations? We, in NY, NJ, PA would like to join them to make it an international event. Are there any G.O.A. groups in other east coast states in Canada? For more Goan nostalgia check-out the www.goaday.com for this year's GOA DAY cultural events in your area and across the world and of course the superb Goenkar website? ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Save Our Spooks -- From the New York Times
Mr. Bhatcar, be forewarned that you are deliberately provoking some Goans, some of who live in the US. These fellows possess a servile mentality and feel superior to their fellow Goans who do not stand in queues to enter the US. Outside the Houses of Parliament in Westminster, London is a man who has camped there for over 700 days criticising Bush and Tony Blair for lying to the people to fabricate a reason to attack Iraq. This man who has braved wind, rain and snow for over two years in a protest against the UK and US government is a white Britisher. Hilary Clinton and many Members of Congress and citizens of the US have called Bush's ploy a bluff. MP's like Tony Benn, Robin Cooke and many others have criticised Tony Blair including one who even went and met Sadaam Hussein. Even the Pope pleaded against this atrocity which according to International Law was illegal. Those like Powell, Condy Rice, Jack Straw, Rumpfeld, Chenney and their bosses Bush and Blair have acted like Uncle Toms. Currently there is a controversy regarding the inhumane treatment by the British of captured Iraqi soldiers in contravention to the Geneva Convention and the pictures taken by a British member of the service have been impounded by the authorities as this is considered incriminating evidence which can be used in a criminal court. But a Goan must shut his mouth up because there are some who like crabs will gnaw your vitals because you are climbing the mountain and speak the truth. Goans do not participate actively on goanet by posting their views and those who write ought to allow others to state their case and not to stab him in the back. I plan to write an expose on Bush and Blair complementing them for duping the world with their claim that WMD would be used in 45 mins after the outbreak of hostilities. The US and UK Government are looking for evidence when there has been no crime. Maybe one day, they will cook up some evidence to justify their acts that have laid waste to Iraqi territory and lives of it's citizens including over a million children from an illegal embargo and no fly zones. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet] RE: Free Goan Get-together and dance
Free Goan Get-together and dance ATTENTION - ATTENTION --- ATTENTION GOANS on the East Coast of USA and Canada Weekends of FUN FUN FUN and it is FREE Dance till you can dance no more!!! Lots of Beer, Polka, Waltzes, Yodel, Swing, Fox Trot, etc.. Grease those ankles, knees and hips. Bring out dose dancing shoes. Other activities. Meet other "Appurbaenche Goenkars" from other states You do not have to be a member of GOA July 25, 26, 27 Mohegan Sun Casino Polkathon at Connecticut October 4, 5Oktober Fest at Hunter Mountain Resort, NY October 11, 12 Oktober Fest at Hunter Mountain Resort, NY Check out the websites of these places for time and directions. We plan to have a Goan get-together on Saturday at these functions. Being free, brings your grandmother and your mother-in-law =J) Bring your guests, relatives and friends from where-ever =J) You bring or buy your own food and drinks. Please pass this e-mail to other Goenkars. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet] Aitarachem Vachop: Ek Pavtt Imtto, Soddanch Imtto.
Ek Pavtt Imtto, Soddanch Imtto CAMIL: Hello hello ..Konn? Cecil? CECIL: Oi. Konn zai aslo? CAMIL: Hi Cecil. Hanv Camil, London thavn uloitam. CECIL: Konn Camil? Ollkhunk na tuka. CAMIL: Hey Cecil. Poilech pavtt tujem Red Rose vorun tum line martele cheddvak diunk sangillo tujo ixtt Camil. CECIL: Oh. Kitlea vorsani tujo tallo aikotam. Tum Delhi astalo nhoi? Kedna London pavllo? CAMIL: Zalim thoddi vorsam. Cecil tum kazar zaloi re ani konna thaim? CECIL: Teach cheddva thaim Red Rose. CAMIL: Kitlo xuddh mog tumcho, ani tosoch tujo mog fulam thaim. Xevottak Flower Shop ghatlench tuvem. Haka mhonnttat niz mog. Tuvem ho dhonddo suru kela mhonn mhaka poiruch khobor meulea. Mhojim porbim. CECIL: Dev borem korum. Tujem fiancée koxem asa re. Kazar zaloi? CAMIL: Oi. Ponn nhoi tichea thaim. London pavttokoch matso trasant poddlom Hangasorlim gori katichim cheddvam amche brown katik pixim zatat. CECIL: Mhonntokoch tea innocent cheddvak soddlem? Iskolachea banka velo mog visorlo? Kollegiche panvdde choddtana tujea moga khatir aple avoi-bapaicho tannem mar khailolo. Atth atth dis kalloki khuddant taka bondh korun tanne bukheche vollvole sonsle.Tumi London pavttokoch khoimcho devchar tumcher bosta? CAMIL: British cheddvachi ixttagot xhime bhair pavlli ani hanv trasant poddlom. You know what I mean. CECIL: Tea innocent cheddvachem kitem? Tujea korthubanchi taka khobor asa? CAMIL: Tem mhoji khobor aikon tin pavtti doriant jiv divpak gellem. Udkak bhieun portun voir ailem khoim. CECIL: Hanv bhes borem ollkhotam taka. Ekdom kallzidar cheddum tem. Tujea moga khatir kitlem sonslem tannem. Udkak bhieun nhoi ponn aplo nirmoll atmo devcharachea hatant poddtolo oxem chinttun tannem aplo jiv dilo na astolo. CAMIL: Tuka sangpachem ani ho fon korpache karan mhonllear tachem kazar asa. Mhojea ghorcheani hi khobor dilea. Taka ek fulancho turo pattounk zai. CECIL: Zanv Saiba! Tachem kazar mhonnon tuka mhojo ugddas ailo. Polle tuje upkaran hanv Red Rose-acho mog jiklolom. Tum poilech pavtt mhoje shop-a velean fulancho turo (flowers bouquet) ditai mhonntokoch mhoje votten mhoji fulam funkott . Truck borun zalear truck borun ditam. Tacho potto di ani kazar khoimsor? CAMIL: Agonda, Canaconna. Mhaka zai ho fulam turo resper (nuptial) zalea uprant dilolo. Novrechem nanv Basil Torcado. CECIL: Zoxem hanven tuka sanglam. Mhoji fulam funkott. Dusrem mhonllear tim fulam sarkea vellar pavtti korpak transport charges lagtta. Hachi chiptti (fee) tuven farik korchi poddteli. Kiteak hea vaurant dusre monis samil asat. CAMIL: Tum sarkoch business minded zalo mure . Oxem kor, tum zanai mhojo pai podder aslo . Saikollicher panttlo ghalun pao vantttalo. Tuje lagim saikoll nant? CECIL: Goeam adhunink (modern) zalam. Bharatachea voilea panvddear Goem urta Vachunk nai tuvem Goa Best State Award gaula to? Amchi gotti (speed) vhaddlea. Atam podder pasun saikoll konxak marun scooter-in pao vantttat. CAMIL: Hangach Goemkaranchem chuktta! Polle, tuven sanglam tuji fulam funkott. Borem asa. Saikoll ghevn ani saikollicher tujea Flower Shop-achem dhaktexea board-ar nanv ghalun Ponnje thavn Agonda pavtta mhonllear hozaracho hozar lok tujo funkot mobile jahiriti (advertisement) vachtolo. Kitlech gavn tum pasar zatai. Lokak gomtelem konnachea shop-ar thavn fulam vetat tim. Tum mottoran vo scooter-in vechi, saikolli velean funkott jahiriti zata ti zavnchina. Kiteak motor zoom korun vegan dhavntta. On-Goenkar Goeant oputt borleat. Ponas rupia tankam chav-panienk dilear hem kam sovai bhitor zata. Koxo laglo mhojo monabhau (idea)? CECIL: Kollegichea canteen-an soddanch tuje poixea hanv farik khortalom. Goeant astana tum ek imtto aslo. Atam London pavlo ponn tujim imtteaponna mat gellim nant ham? Ugddasan amchi khobor www.goa-world.net/expression Londonchea Goenkarank sang, ponn tujea osle imtteank mat sangum naka re baba. Lino B. Dourado (Utodd'dekar Q8) = http://www.goa-world.net/poems http://www.goa-world.net/poems/lino __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Re: Goenchem Prize
In a message dated 5/30/03 11:42:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Please read a follow up post on this thread (Should I say before you open your mouth?) >> Miguel! Say sorry and end this blah blah. More people are hung by their tongue than at the end of a rope. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Re:Corruption in the Customs_Goa
In a message dated 5/30/03 5:49:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mr. Dias, I am happy that you did not criticize me when I wrote about corruption in the Customs. India is one of the most corrupt countries in the world and one must refer to the international standings of countries that are corrupt. Let us not take comfort in stating that India is less corrupt than Bangla Desh or Nigeria. We ought to compare our performance with that of the least corrupt which I think is Norway. But I disagree with you that Catholics are less corrupt than the others. There is no difference today in Goa and if you have confronted the Police, Government bureaucracy and the Justice system, you will observe that Goan Christians have no qualms to persecute the poor by demanding bribes. I see no difference between Agnelo Fernandes, ex-Sarpanch of Candolim and Gobind Nagvenkar or Sanjiv Naik in Salvador do Mundo. Those days are gone when we feared the wrath of Goa and believed in the Ten Commandments. Worse still, these people all make the bee-line to Church on Sundays. Yes the hypocrites. Edgar Martins _ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html >> ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet] On This Day In History... 31 May 2003
Today is Saturday, May 31, the 151th day of 2003 with 214 to follow. On this day, May 31, in history: In 1790, President Washington signed into law the first U.S. copyright law. In 1889, a flood in Johnstown, Pa., left more than 2,200 people dead. In 1902, Britain and South Africa signed a peace treaty ending the Boer War. In 1962, Israel hanged Adolf Eichmann for his part in the killing of 6 million Jews by Nazi Germany in World War II. In 1973, the Senate voted to cut off all funds for U.S. bombing of Cambodia. In 1985, seven federally insured banks in Arkansas, Minnesota, Nebraska and Oregon were closed by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. It was a single-day record for closings since the FDIC was founded in 1934. In 1990, President Bush and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev opened a four-day summit in Washington, D.C., focusing on the role of a united Germany in Europe. Also in 1990, "Seinfeld" -- the show about nothing -- premiered on NBC. In 1991, Defense Secretary Dick Cheney announced the United States had begun storing military supplies in Israel for use in future conflicts. In 1994, Rep. Dan Rostenkowski, D-Ill., was indicted on felony charges, including embezzlement. Under the rules of the Democratic caucus, he had to step down as chairman of the powerful House Ways and Means Committee. Goan History -- 2001: The accused Sheker Khadpker (28), Vishwas Shetty (26), Seby Pereira (32), Deepak Tari (22) and Franze Gomes (20), on the charge of gang-raping a 15-year-old school-girl from Sada in Vasco Gama released on bail. 2001: Talking to presspersons at Marcela, Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar said that the panel of experts formed by the Goa government to look into the Mhadei river water dispute, will find out ways and means to resolve the river water diversion issue with Karnataka within the time-frame suggested by the Indian Water Tribunal. 2002: The Konkani Bhasha Mandal in collaboration with Goa Kala Academy organised a day-long literary seminar at Quepem as part of the series "Sahitya Prakash". In this programme, papers were read and elaborate discussions held on "Athang", a collection of short stories by Ms Jayanti Naik. 2002: In commemoration of founders day, Positive People have launched a novel Income Generation Project for persons living with HIV. The programme focuses on imparting various vocational and technical skills through training workshops and activities, so as to enable persons affected by HIV to augment their income and improve their quality of life. === Let's compile a chronicle of Goan History. If you have an authentic date and event in Goan History, please e-mail the details to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet] The Guardian: There's more to Goa than raves and beaches.
Source: The Guardian (London), May 31, 2003, Headline: There's more to Goa than raves and beaches. Stephanie Debere discovers its Portuguese legacy. By Stephanie Debere. 1584 words. Excerpts: Unless you're partial to ceaseless raves and could-be-anywhere resorts, Goa is probably somewhere you've given a wide berth. Its image as New Age hangout or package holiday haven had certainly given me doubts about visiting. Fortunately, a niggling curiosity about the Indian state's Portuguese heritage proved stronger. In his 1851 travelogue Goa and the Blue Mountains, the Victorian explorer Sir Richard Burton declared that the state's whitewashed walls caused "offensive glare", the churches were "ill-built piles, [but] beautifully situated," while the Portuguese balcãos lacked "the joy-inspiring features of the Italian balcone". I soon decided that his judgment had been clouded by the cholera he'd recently suffered, because Goa's architecture is captivating. Around Margao, Goa's congested second town, the countryside is dotted with ornate, evocative villas, the finest of which is the 16th-century Menezes-Braganza house in the tiny village of Chandor. Pigs trotted freely and garlands of small, round, red pork sausages hung like hippie necklaces outside peasant houses Goa's people are sossegard - Portuguese for 'carefree'. At midday, it's feni, lunch and siesta. Ponda is known for its concentration of Hindu temples. The Portuguese were not so sossegard about their religion: during the brutal 16th- and 17th-century Goan Inquisition, many Hindu temples were relocated to then Portuguese-free areas inland. one of the world's truly extraordinary sights: a cluster of vast cathedrals towered above an expanse of palms like tankers on a green sea, some plastered white, others in red-brown local laterite. This concentration of over-blown churches seemed excessive, but when Old Goa was the "Rome of the East", various branches of Catholicism - Jesuit, Franciscan, Dominican, Augustine - competed in cathedral building. In Panjim local women in risqué knee-length dresses browse shops with Portuguese signs, and small cafes and bars serve feni and dishes from all over India, catering for Panjim's many domestic visitors. English curry houses should note Goa's addictive puddings, most of which are a variation of coconut milk, eggs and jaggery (a rich, unrefined sugar). Panjim Inn, Goa's only official heritage hotel. Set in a 19th-century house, it's a haven of sepia family photos and original furniture. Further information see also the Goa state site (goacom.com). Full text, 1584 words. at http://travel.guardian.co.uk/saturdaysection/story/0,8922,966993,00.html Source: The Daily Telegraph (London) May 31, 2003. Agonda Beach, Goa. By Belinda Crighton, Hornchurch, Essex Even the glorious beaches of Goa can sometimes become crowded and over-commercialised. So if you're looking for complete peace and quiet, take a taxi from your resort and head south to Agonda. The gently curved bay stretches for more than a mile, its golden sand beach fringed with palm trees, behind which lies the small village and half a dozen simple, family-run guesthouses. If you want the desert island experience, this is it - no beach sellers, loud music or bright lights, and only the occasional tourist. Wildlife abounds - three species of kingfisher, red kites, and a troupe of monkeys that comes down from the surrounding hills each evening to raid the villagers' gardens. Get to the beach in the early morning and you might see dolphins close to the shore. How long will Agonda stay unspoilt? Well, behind the beach, shrouded by vegetation, stands a half-built hotel complex. The local people campaigned so vigorously against the developers that all building work was stopped. People power does work occasionally. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet] GOMANT BHARATI SAMMELAN on 31.5.2003 at Rajiv Gandhi Kala Mandir, Ponda Goa.
SOUTH GOA PUBLIC INTEREST ACTION GROUP (Regd No:171/GOA/2000 dt.12.12.2000) NGO 1st Flr Benlix Bldg., Opp Fatima Convent, Margao, 403601 Goa (INDIA) 00-91-0832-2715269 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (we meet every second & last Saturday of each month all year round and on prior intimation any day) This is a presentation made by Mr. Melson F. M. Louis, Overseas representative of the Margao, based South Goa Public Interest Action Group a Regd. NGO at the day long "GOMANT BHARATI SAMELAN" at, Rajiv Gandhi Kala Mandir, Ponda, Goa on 31st May, 2003 *** Hon'ble Chief Minister of Goa Sri Manohar Parrikar,Chairman, of NRI Facilitation Centre, Shri Chandrakant Keni, distinguished guests and our Goan brothers and sisters who have come from the various States outside Goa. We at South Goa Public Interest Action Group, a registered non governmental organisation, based in Margao, with jurisdiction in the Mormugao Parliamentary Constituency, first of all wish to congratulate the Hon'ble Chief Minister,Shri Manohar Parrikar for having conceptualised the idea of holding this unique meet,unheard of in the rest of the country. "KONN GOENKAR"? WHO IS A GOAN? A difficult question to answer. You are walking on the streets of Kolkatta. You meet a familiar face. His dress, his mellowed smile and you pause. "Tum goenkar re?" "Oi " comes the reply and then a warm handshake. Then starts the probing questions "tumi hanga kitem kortat?" and before he answers that the next question "tum Xasti cho vo Bardez cho?" "tum ganvan kuimcho?""tumcho vaddo khuimcho? and finally "tumi Bappa Voikuntac posorkar volkota? or "Perpetin distikhan vodcota? and having answered all these questions in the affirmative the handshake turns into a bear hug and you have found a GOAN . I am sure all gathered here may have had this similar experience. Therefore its "amchi maim bhas KONKANI" and "amcho GANV "- yes, the Village Republic which gives us GOANS our identity wherever we go. MIGRATION OF GOANS: There is no recorded document to ascertain when exactly the emigration of Goans to States outside Goa started. But there is a remote belief that during the British presence in Goa from 1794 to 1813 the British were impressed by the European outlook of Goans and felt that they could be best suited and moulded to run the then British India administration . The first favoured destination was Bombay now renamed Mumbai. It was this "urb prima" that can safely be listed as the first destination of emigration. The Portuguese had established themselves in places like Bombay, Cochin, Calcutta, Madras, Vasai, Bassein, and Goan priests took Goans to work in the Churches in these areas. Goans in the four metropolis worked as musicians in the film industry, others in the hospitality industries mostly as cooks, domestics, for Britishers later they worked in the education and other fields. Goans were also engaged in the Western India Peninsular Railway line construction in Mumbai, Pune, Belgaum, Hubli etc during the British India rule. A number of Goans joined the Electricity Boards the Defence establishments and worked mostly as musicians, and physicians in the palaces of the Maharajas. Thus one can find pockets of Goans in Calicut, Chennai, Madurai, Managalore, Karwar, Vasai, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Cuttack, Hubli, Belgaum, Calcutta Bassein, Deolali, Nasik, Nagpur, Andaman & Nicobar Islands Bhopal, Indore, Ahmedabad, Baroda (now Vadodara) Jamshedpur, Patna, Amreli, Daman, Diu, Delhi, Ranchi and beyond. WHY DID GOANS EMIGRATE: Goa in the Portuguese era provided little in terms of education and remunerative job opportunities. Goan talent could not be harnessed for productive purposes. The elite Goencar " could find prestigious employment only in the " FAZENDAS " Government Treasury. Therefore for others employment prospects could be obtained only outside. Again education opportunities were limited. Hence even for matriculation one had to send their wards to Pune Military School or Bombay or Belgaum schools run by the Catholic diocese. After the freedom movement gathered enthusiasm in 1925 and hostilities started mainly after 18 June 1946 Ram Monohar Lohias movement in Lohia Maidan Margao the Goans outside found it difficult to come back every year. The " kudds " clubs which were set up in the vicinity of the ports proved useful for the Goans. These "kudds" were known by their village names sometimes even by their "waddo" which clearly shows how much the GOAN lay importance on their village identity. Hence most prefered to settle in places outside Goa, for enhancing their economic and moreso their social status viz to shed the feudalist tag of "mundcar" given to the less privileged. LINKS WITH THEIR ROOTS Goans invariably maintained the links with their roots. The summer holidays, the village Church festival, Gan
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[Goanet] Art College Incident
I have been reading about what happened recently at the Art College and I have to say I was really shocked that something like this could happen on the premises of a College campus. It is very clear that, the college is not being managed with a strong hand. When there is a fear of Rules and Regulations, any given person will think twice before doing something like this. I have to say that the management of the college, has to be looked into very deeply and entirely restructured, in order that there may me some law and order there. I have read about the Goan Art Forum who have demanded too, into the running of the college. I sincerely hope that the culprits are caught and given proper punishment for fooling around with innocent lives. And the punishment should be of a severe nature, so that it is a lesson for others around who have similar ideas and thoughts in mind. If you ask me, the culprits should be flogged at the college premises in front of the management and other students instead of behind bars, by the police. In the UAE a person who does something like this would get 80- 100 lashes of the cane, put to shame and then into prison. And eveybody fears the law ! I do hope proper justice is done with this case. Zelma De Souza Abu Dhabi UAE ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Re: BILLY GRAHAM'S DAUGHTER INTERVIEW
In a message dated 05/30/2003 1:43:13 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I hope you are not equating atheists and impious people whose moral values are grounded on non-religious philosophies, with criminals and members of Satanic cults. >> Chimbelcho: Of course I was aware that you are an avowed athiest on Goanet but certainly wasn't equating anything. You know I respect the right of individuals to exercise their own free will. Just because it rains when a frog croaks, it doesn't mean that it will rain each time frogs croak :-) Luiza wrote: "If people/youngsters/or whoever for that matter had a proper upbringing & were taught to be God-fearing from young, they would have had some moral & spiritual values." George sought to debunk the above by proferring the following equation: "there are many atheists who lead moral lives just as there are many people of God leading immoral lives. The suggestion that one has to believe in God to be moral is ludicrous." I was simply expounding the fallacy of such a theory. It is a well established fact that had it not been for religious or social restraints, homo sapiens would be no different from counterparts in the animal kingdom. There might is right, with the survival of the fittest instinct :( In God We Trust: Pat de Sousa Maryland, USA Click: http://www.catholic-goan-network.net/";> http://www.catholic-goan-network.net ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet] Arizona Republic: Goa restaurant celebrates flavors of Indian state.
Headline: Goa restaurant celebrates flavors of Indian state. By Peter Ortiz Source: The Arizona Republic 31 May. Excerpts: Santosh Naik was introduced to some Goans in the East McDowell Road strip mall where he runs a specialty-watch business. After meeting Richy Rodrigues and learning of his contacts with Goan chefs living in the Valley, they talked about opening a restaurant in the same strip mall. Naik asked Rodrigues, 33, to have his chefs prepare a surprise dinner for his 25th wedding anniversary at his house. The positive response from his wife and friends and family reaffirmed his decision to invest in a restaurant. He and Zarine, his wife have now opened the GOA-Curry N' Grill restaurant in Phoenix, Arizona. For Santosh Naik, the restaurant drums up childhood memories when Goan chefs would prepare "seven-course meals from practically nothing. Goan chefs were the most renowned chefs in the world," he said. William Gomes, 86, blessed the restaurant during its grand opening and visits often with friends. Gomes, a retired Catholic bishop living in Scottsdale, said the restaurant offers lovers of Indian food something new and different. Gomes' parents were born in Goa. "I think the specialty of Goan food is the fish and the manner in which they prepare it," Gomes said. Full text,, 609 words, and photograph of Zarine and Santosh Naik at http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/glendale/articles/0531evgoa31Z2.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet] Re: [Goanet-news]Goacom Special on Corjuem Bridge
Hi Joel I was reading about the Corjuem Bridge, Will this route be a short cut for those large trucks driven by senseless drivers from the mine to run across through the narrow roads of Aldona?. Does one know how much has the mine owners have contributed to this project, and how much of these funds have lined the Government official pockets. Thanks Luis From: "Joel D'Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet-news]Goacom Special on Corjuem Bridge Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 01:29:09 +0530 Hi netters, There is a small feature on the Corjuem Bridge, the foundation stone for which was laid on May 30, Goa Statehood Day, at Aldona. Please check at: http://www.goacom.com/goanow/bridge/bridge.html Cheers. Joel. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## ___ Goanet-news mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet-news _ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet] Would a helmet have helped?
BID TO RETRIEVE POT COSTS LIFE: An attempt to retrieve a pot from the well proved costly, when a 38-year-old man from Shetye waddo in Duler drowned in the well on Friday. Mapusa police said Mario S Colaco, a native of Verna, descended into the nearby well at about 9.45 am, in order to retrieve a pot which had fallen in the well a few days earlier. Colaco removed the pot and was coming up without the assistance of a rope, when he slipped and fell into the well. Those present above then lowered a rope to aid Colaco's climb and as Colaco was climbing up, he slipped for the second time and drowned in the well. (H) == I wonder if a helmet would have helped dear Mr. Colaco? RIP. And, Oh! Yes! VIVA GOA!!! Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] Goa, INDIA _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] [saligaonet] Mr. Cincinatus Fabian D Abreu
In a message dated 05/30/2003 1:42:27 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Anyone who has been to Karachi, Pakistan must have seen the township called Cincinatus Town. Cincinatus was born in Goa on 24th September 1862. His father Manuel DAbreu from Abreu-vaddo, Saligao probably has been the first Saligaokar to migrate to Sind in 1846, three years after the conquest of that province by the British. >> Fr. Nascimento, your above article brought back fond nostalgic memories of Karachi, which was one of the cleanest cities. You are an excellent biographer and I remember you sent me sometime back a similar article on the late Msgr. A. Moniz, the Parish Priest of St. Lawrence's Church in Cincinatus Town. He previously edited the Roti Konkani Magazine in Karachi. So nice to see you back. God Bless: Pat de Sousa Maryland, USA Click: http://www.catholic-goan-network.net/";> http://www.catholic-goan-network.net ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
