[Goanet]Mentally ill people in Goa to be appraised about their rights

2003-09-06 Thread Goa Desc
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Mentally ill people to be appraised about their rights
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ORDER
No.5/61/2001-II/PHD
The Government of Goa is hereby pleased
to appoint the following persons to appraise
the mentally ill people about their rights, with
immediate effect.
(1) Miss Usha D. Bhide,
  Khornawad, Ribandar, Tiswadi,Goa.
(2) Shri. Anil G. Halarnekar,
  Ground Floor, Sapataria Natural,
  31st January Road,
  opp.Konkan Tours and Travels,Panaji.
They shall be paid honorarium of Rs.300/- per month

by order and in the name of the Governor of Goa.
U.D.Kamat, Special Secretary (Health)
Panaji 4th August 2003.

Official Gazette - Govt. of Goa Series II No. 22
Dated 28th August 2003 page 422

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[Goanet]More British tourists likely to visit Goa this season

2003-09-06 Thread Goa Desc
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   GOA DESC TOURISM WATCH
for World Tourism Day on 27th September
  News You Can Use
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More British tourists likely to visit Goa
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The inflow of British tourists is likely to go up by almost 40 per cent,
helping in the growth of tourism industry in Goa, stated the British
Deputy High Commissioner, western region, Mr Howard Parkinson.
While speaking to the press after inaugurating the new premises of
the British tourist assistance office at Dempo Towers, Patto Plaza,
Mr Parkinson said that a vast majority of the British tourists coming
to Goa by charters should help in the growth of the state economy.
The new premises was opened in the presence of the British Liaison
Officer, Goa, Ms Shilpa Caldeira, Ms Karen Almeida, Ms Parkinson
and the British vice-consul, western region, Mr Glyn Bottrell and other
officials.
He further revealed that last year around 1 lakh British tourists visited Goa
and the coming season looked good and expectations were that the inflow
would go up by around 40 per cent. Consequently, he said that the
frequency of charter flights would also increase.
Mr Parkinson stated that Goa was seen as safe and good destination
where the tourists got value for money. He informed that he had interacted
with the Chief Minister, Mr Manohar Parrikar who expressed happiness
and hope that Goa would play host to more British tourists in the coming
season.
At the newly inaugurated office, the Liaison Officer, Ms Shilpa Caldeira
will be the manager, ably assisted by Ms Karen. The office will assist
British citizens with any hurdles they encounter in the state.
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The Navhind Times 2/9/03 page 3
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Re: [Goanet]India' Shame? Or Portugal's Guilt? Or Anything Else.--> UNSUBSCRIBE

2003-09-06 Thread Paddydes
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Re: [Goanet]Goanet Membership Rules

2003-09-06 Thread Santosh Helekar
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Herman Carneiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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>A violation of any of the rules will result in a reprimand. 
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Sorry to bring this up. But just out of curiosity, have the 
administrators been enforcing the rules lately? I don't want you to 
name names, but has anyone been reprimanded at least once? It seems 
like there have been a lot of violations of rules 1 and 2 (see quote 
below) presently, and in the past few weeks, and I have spotted 
blatant violations of rule 8 (see quote below) on many occasions.

Cheers,

Santosh

P. S. Frederick, Thanks for that post on goanet archives.

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[Goanet]GOA:Stray Dogs - Indian Medical Association for ‘dignified elimination’

2003-09-06 Thread GOACAN
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The Indian Medical Association (IMA), Goa, has strongly advocated
"dignified elimination" of dogs as an answer to the stray dog menace
in the state.
After discussing the issue threadbare at a CME held in Porvorim
some time ago, the IMA headed by Dr Paul R A Caeiro submitted
a detailed note to the chief minister, Manohar Parrikar providing
suggestions for a comprehensive bill.
Secretary of IMA, Goa, Dr Shekhar Salkar told reporters that
Mr P Krishnamurthy, secretary to the Chief Minister, has been given
all the material on the issue of stray dogs.
He said after XV GIMACON, the IMA will take up with the government
again with the emphasis to have an early solution to the menace of
stray dogs.
He said as the matter is in the high court, the government would be
impressed upon to make a submission for dignified elimination of dogs.
This will involve rounding up the stray dogs and administering the
unwanted ones with an injection.
The forthcoming cabinet meeting scheduled for September 15 may
also discuss the issue. Rabbies cases have also increased over the
last few years and this has been attributed to the uncontrolled growth
of stray dog population in the state. IMA has set up a committee headed
by Dr Rosario Menezes.
MEDICAL WASTE: Disposal of medical waste has become a major problem
in the state as Goa boasts of around 150 hospitals. Except GMC hospital,
none has a incinerator, not even the two government-run district hospitals.
Dr Salkar said three proposals had come to the IMA. Two parties wanted
to set up a plant for which they have asked for land. The third wanted to
transport the waste to Belgaum for disposal. The IMA has favoured the third
proposal and has urged the government to consider it.

HERALD 4/9/03 page 4

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[Goanet]06 SEP 2003: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS

2003-09-06 Thread joel
GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
06 Sep 2003

12 MORE JAUNDICE CASES: Twelve more cases of viral jaundice were reported to
the health department yesterday (6 September) even as the total number of
such patients reached 375. During the last five days, 63 more cases were
reported to the GMC. (GT)

10 CITY RESTAURANTS MAY DOWN SHUTTERS: Ten restaurants in Panjim, may soon
have to down their shutters owing to the discontinuation of water supply
from all sources including PWD tankers. The Health Department directed
private tankers to stop supplying water to hotels and eating houses after a
report disclosed that water being extracted from wells by private tankers in
Panjim is unfit for human consumption. (H)

QUALITY PRIMARY EDUCATION ON THE CARDS: The government will shortly bring
about qualitative changes in imparting primary education to students in the
state, said Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar. Addressing teachers on the
occasion of teacher's Day yesterday, Parrikar urged them to teach students
to respect the dignity of labour. The Chief Minister felicitated teachers
Kalidas Umarye of Government Primary School, Bicholim, Polly Rodrigues of
Government Middle School, Cortalim, Tomazinho Cardozo, headmaster of St
Joseph High School, Arpora, Prasad Sawant, assistant teacher of Shri
Mahalaxmi English High School, Talaulim, and Baban Pandit of PV Sarojini
Kushe Higher Secondary School, Assagao. The state award comprised cash of
Rs.5,000 and a certificate. (GT)

VERNA BY-PASS A DEATH TRAP: Hundred accidents in 20 months and 5 days would
seem strange. And, even more strange is the fact that the accidents occurred
at a stretch of a by-pass, built to curb the high accident rate. This is the
tale of the Verna by-pass, which has attained notoriety for accidents since
it was opened for traffic around two years ago. (H)

TENT DEALERS FLEECED IN GOA: Mohan Seth, chairman of All India Tent Dealers
Welfare Organisation, said he was leaving Goa with bitter memories. The
dealers were fleeced by tourist taxi drivers. Seth told Gomantak Times that
though they have poured Rs.20 lakh in Goa during the last three days. They
had to shell out another Rs.2 lakh on hiring tourist taxis. (GT)

TRADERS BATTLE AS CONSUMERS RATTLE: Consumers in and around Margao are
quietly suffering while the feud between Gandhi market traders in the city
and Belgaum transporters rages on over some registered trucks from Goa being
shown the door in the neighbouring state's district. (GT)

BENAULIM VP NO-TRUST VOTE: Churchill-backed Benaulim sarpanch Carmelina
Fernandes and her deputy, Trevor Pinto, on Friday survived the no-trust
motion as neither the ruling nor the Opposition members turned up for the
special meeting fixed at 3.30 pm. (H)

WATERY WOES: When it rains in Durgavadi, the occupants of some buildings
constructed by the Goa Housing Board feel it more. The water seeps down the
walls into their flats. Neglect in maintenance due to various factors and
allegedly poor quality of construction has made life miserable for the
residents in Taleigao. (GT)

GIRL FALLS IN WELL, DIES: A nine-year-old girl from Malim, Basira Parimpid,
who had gone to a well in the locality (Porvorim), died after she lost her
balance and plunged into the well. (H)

CUNCOLIM YOUTH COMMITS SUICIDE: One person committed suicide on September 5
evening in a pond at Masakni near Cuncolim. The police inspector of Cuncolim
disclosed the deceased's name as Rama Shalke (25) of Balli. (NT)

SC ADMITS PLEA AGAINST MANDREKAR, ARLEKAR: The Supreme Court has admitted an
election writ petition filed by the Nationalist Congress Party seeking the
disqualification of BJP legislators Dayanand Mandrekar and Rajendra Arlekar,
according to party spokesman Surendra Furtado. (GT)

INCONVENIENCE DUE TO GMC CANTEEN CLOSURE: The closure of canteens in the GMC
complex at Bambolim for lack of sanitary conditions, is causing much
inconvenience to the patients, their relatives and the staff of the hospital
as well. (H)

CLEANLINESS AT MAPUSA BUS STAND: Reacting to press reports regarding the
dirty condition of the Mapusa Kadamba bus stand, the Kadamba transport
Corporation has in a press note stated that the Mapusa Municipal Council
"has to take necessary action in the matter". (NT)

MERCES CONSUMER FORUM: The Merces Civic and Consumer Forum will hold on 7
September, its monthly general meeting of consumers at 4.00 at the Our Lady
of Merces High School. Among the issues to be discussed are jaundice
prevention campaign by the Primary Health Centre, follow up of gram Sabha
resolutions, price surcharge on Goa Dairy milk packets, etc. (GT)

PANTHER'S PRESENCE IN TUYEM: The presence of a panther at Murmuse-Tyem
(Pernem, and the Tuyem ITI, for the past four days, has concerned residents
in the area. The panther had reportedly killed some cows and dogs. (H)

CLOUD SEEDING IN BELGAUM: Cloud seeding for the artificial harvest of rains
has gathered momentum in Belgaum district. The scheme, Project Varun, which
is budget

Re: [Goanet]Goanet Membership Rules

2003-09-06 Thread Eddie
Dear Herman /Administration Team

I would like to know if anyone, besides Goans in Goa/other parts of India or
Non-Resident Goans/Indians can subscribe to this list?

My suggestion is to add this point in the Goanet Membership Rules.

Thanks.

Edward Verdes
Saudi Arabia

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> WE NEED YOUR HELP!
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[Goanet]RE: [Goanet-news]03 SEP 2003: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS

2003-09-06 Thread Tangri, Betty
Dear Joel,

Would you please help me find the email id of our Arhbishop in Goa?

Thanks
Betty

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Re: [Goanet]BS on Goanet

2003-09-06 Thread Valmiki Faleiro
"Tirando o mal, todo e bem" (my lingua de Camoens is "ferrugente,"
result perhaps of years of incarceration in boarding  school, so pardon
my gramm..)

Bernardo, Miguel, Rui n others have been pursuing this grand debate,
sometimes with very (imho) valid points.

BUT TO WHAT PURPOSE??

Tackling ghosts from history (in the form of snakes or whatever) will get
nobody anywhere  [if u r looking for a paradise bereft of snakes,
re-migrate to New Zealand :- )  ]

Edgar, i'm fairly convinced you are a gifted person.  Could you use your
persuasion, talent, whatever, to convert these highly resourceful personae
to get them use their talents for something POSITIVE for their dear brethren
back home, in Bharatiya Goa?  ...like talking of how to avoid almost entire
households, or the family's sole bread-earner, getting killed on Goa's
roads ... as a matter of daily routine...

... So much that, by now, among dear Goa's "No.1" attributes must be the
almost daily loss of human lives - not in cemeteries, smashanboomis or
kabrasthans - but on Goa's treacherous roads?

have we ever paused to think who are all these people dying, and how
their survivors must be living on ... ?

Portugal may be something nice to sing about, but (only by way of just
one example) road accidents here in Goa occur with sickening regularity
that even local newspapers routinely consign them to insignifanct space,
unless a whole - or almost pf a whole - family got wiped off the planet's face.

Are Goanetters, including Bernardo and Rui, listening?

Sirees, lets live in the present...

if this post won't do without a teaser ... "MERA BHARAT MAHAAN!"

regards/Valmiki


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>
>   I will attack one snake at a time. I admire the tenacity of Bernardo and Rui and 
> even though I donot agree with them, I defend
their right to deflect the insults and barbs they undergo especially the insults of 
our pundit or wise PHd. Some strutt along the
cybernet catwalk wiggling their behinds and while doing so, throw bits of their 
egotistic mindset. I do not need toknow someone
whois instructed and possesses a PHd but someone who is educated,knows how todiscourse 
especially with his fellowmen and have the
capacity of swaying the mind of his adversary.
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>Edgar Martins
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[Goanet]Kaun Banega Crorepati?

2003-09-06 Thread Cecil Pinto
Excerpt from:

Risque Goan Jokes (pp 170, Rs. 290/- softcover)
Compiled and translated by Cecil Pinto
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Totally Fictitious Events Section
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Our friend from Moira, Santosh Pednekar, appears on the Indian version of 
"Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" and towards the end of the programme had 
already won Rs. 50,00,000.

"You've done very well so far," said Amitabh Bachan, the show's presenter, 
"but for Rs. 1 crore you've only got one lifeline left - Phone a Friend. 
Everything is riding on this question...will you go for it?"

"Sure," said Santosh. "I'll have a go!"

"OK."

"The question is: Which of the following birds does NOT build its own nest ?
(a) Robin, (b) Sparrow, (c) Cuckoo, or (d) Crow"
"I haven't got a clue," said Santosh, "so I'll use my last lifeline and 
phone my friend Benny Coelho from Mumbai. He's a Moidekar, but since he was 
born and brought up in Mumbai he's very smart and knowledgeable. "

Santosh called up his friend in Mumbai, told him the circumstances and 
repeated the question to him.

"Arree Baba Santosh!" cried Benny, "Simple yaaar...it's a cuckoo."

"Are you sure, Benny?" asked Santosh.

"Arrre bhai hundred percent sure mn! Pakka!"

Santosh hung up the phone and told Amitabh Bachan , "I'll go with Cuckoo as 
my answer."

"Is that your final answer?" asked Amitabh Bachan.

"Sure, Sir!"

There was a long, long pause, then Amitabh Bachan screamed, "Cuckoo is the 
correct answer! Santosh, you've just won Rs. One Crore!!!"

The next night, Santosh threw a big party for all Moidekars at the Moira 
Club. Benny was specially flown in from Mumbai as the Chief Guest.

When the time for speeches come Santosh takes the mike and asks Benny,
"Tell me, Benny? How on earth did you know it was the cuckoo that doesn't 
build its own nest? I mean you know precious nothing about birds otherwise."

"C'mon yaaar! Baskya!" laughed Benny. "You Govans are so foolish yr. 
Everybody knows a cuckoo lives in a clock!"

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[Goanet]Clarification on GoaNet Rule #10

2003-09-06 Thread Cecil Pinto

10. Once a particular discussion is declared "closed" by the Goanet
Admin Team, anyone continuing that discussion is likely to face action.
Every effort will be made to keep discussions democratic, free and open,
but when a topic goes on endlessly in circles or threatens to transgress
decent debate, or for any similar reasons, the Admin Team will be
empowered to declare that discussion "closed."



Please clarify...

How will the Admin Team 'declare' a particular discussion 'closed'?

a) Will they make an announcement on Goa-Net itself?
OR
b) Will they send private e-mails to anyone posting on the topic?
OR
c) Both the above.
In my opinion (a) seems to be the correct way of doing things. Also if a 
short explanation for the decision is given it would help in keeping 
discussions 'democratic, free and open'.

(b) & (c) would not be required in that case.

Only (b) by itself would suggest that the Admin team wishes to only keep a 
particular member from posting on a particular topic but not others. Since 
I have received an e-mail from the Moderator of this List that a particular 
line of discussion I initiated has been declared 'closed' I feel it but 
fair that all other members be also informed about this decision. Don't 
want anyone getting reprimanded unnecessarily just because he/she didn't 
know a particular topic was 'closed'.

Keep up the good work!

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Re: [Goanet]Goa v/s Other Portuguese colonies...

2003-09-06 Thread gilbert
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Rui Collaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 I assure you that both 
> Mozambique and Angola were, at the time they attained independence 
in 1975, 
> among the most developed countries of Africa, far better than most 
of their 
> independent neighbours, and by far better administered. Angola's 
growth rate 
> was about 9% p.a. (something India has never managed). Any honest 
scholar 
> that may dwell on this will reach this conclusion. In any case, 
these facts 
> are well documented. The standard of living and infrastructure were 
second 
> to none among the countries of black Africa. Only Rodhesia and 
South Africa 
> were better off. 

Angola among the most developed countries of Africa in 1975? Do you 
include literacy and other social indicators under development? Do 
you include the setting up of local Institutions like the Executive 
and Judiciary as development?  Have you made a comparison of Angola 
and Mozambique with ex British colonies like Kenya, Ghana and Nigeria 
in 1975?  In 2003 the literacy rate of Mozambique and Angola was 45 
and 42%.  The ranking in the HDR is 170 and 164 out of 179 of the 
worlds nations.  And please dont blame this situation on strife 
alone, after independence. One thing I will say, and that is, Goa was 
left in a heavenly state in 1961, if you compare it with the state of 
Angola in 1975, and today. I spent some time in Congo in 2001, and I 
thought that no country in the world could be poorer, and less 
educated than that country. Was surprised to see that the portuguese 
colonies rank lower.
regards,  Gilbert.


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Re: [Goanet]Goa v/s Other Portuguese colonies...

2003-09-06 Thread gilbert
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Rui Collaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Angola's growth rate 
> was about 9% p.a. (something India has never managed). 
--
True, but Rui forgot to mention that 45% of Angolas GDP comes from 
oil production and most of the rest from diamonds, gold and forest 
produce. As much as 85% of the population is involved in subsistance 
farming--poor guys.  And then a comparison is sought to be made with 
Indias growth rate, inspite of the fact that Indias poulation is 
close to a hundred times Angolas!  What a laugh.  And this guy blames 
others for misinformation.
But this is the goanet, so I will not post anything more about Africa.
regards,  Gilbert.


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[Goanet]Weekend laughing pleasure- Citizenship test

2003-09-06 Thread Gilbert Lawrence
Weekend laughing pleasure- Citizenship test
Due to my personal work over-load, this is my final regular posting
under this topic. I will pass the mantle of this immensely enjoyable
task (writing Goan humor) to Cecil (Konglish) anim Lino (Konkani). Time
permitting I will from time to time contribute and may perhaps one day
compile the 100 or so kanneos in a book. Anybody with good stories or
with thoughts and comments are welcome to continue to write to me. GL 

Rene Barreto writes:
Immigrants to the UK wishing to become British will have to take part in
special language and citizenship classes. Under major proposals unveiled
by the government, anyone wanting to become a UK citizen must show an
understanding of the language and the law.

The system has been drawn up by a team of citizenship and nationality
experts led by Professor Sir Bernard Crick, Home Secretary David
Blunkett's former university tutor.

Response: 
There is a similar oral test in the USA before the immigrant 'green-card
holder' becomes a US citizen. This is the Goan feedback:

Goenkar Ninad Bilva Palyekar originally de Bodgul but now residing in
Schenectady, NY went to take his US citizenship test. Ninad Bilva being
Goenkar was very nervous about being able to pass the oral exam even
after he studied songlem citizenship books.  In the waiting room to the
exam hall, Ninad Bilva met another Goenkar Damodar Ramnath Vernekar
originally de Agassaim who just finished his oral exam.

Ninad Bilva munta, "How was the test Du-u-ude?"
Damodar Ramnath munta, "Arre kitem sangum. What to tell you maan. It's
very very easy. I had all the answers written down." 
Ninad Bilva munta, "Yes, ... written down? Can you show me?"
Damodar Ramnath munta, "It was all written down on the inside waist-band
of my underwear."  
Ninad Bilva munta, "Voi rree!!! Borem, all answers written down ...? ...
Could you give me ...? Can we exchange  underwear ...? After all we
are bhaus from bangarachem Goem."

So the two happy campers (Goenkars murre) went to the men's toilet and
exchanged their underwear.  Ninad Bilva was happy, now caampleetly
paasitive and went into the oral exam room with a broad Goan smile on
his face.

Immigration (INS) officer asks Ninad Bilva the number of states in the
USA.
Ninad Bilva turns over the waist-band of the underwear, sneaks a quick
glance down ani fat-a-fat munta, "farty too (42)".

Arre, INS officer was very surprised. But thought, let's give Ninad
Bilva another chance.  So INS officer asks Ninad Bilva, "Who's the
father and first President of United States?"
Ninad Bilva turns-over the waist-band of his underwear, steals a fast
peek ani vaary caanfidently munta, "Tuuti-Frutti"!!!

PS. Ninad Bilva Palyekar de Schenectady had worn the underwear
backwards!!!
Regards, GL



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[Goanet]Blood DNA

2003-09-06 Thread Gabe Menezes



> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Colaco-Dias, Paulo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > - How can a Goan not be an Indian national?
> >
>
> A Goan need not be an Indian national. But a person of Goan origin is
> with very few exceptions a person of Indian origin. A colleague of
> mine is conducting a massive molecular genetic study on all ethnic
> groups in India, including Goa. We would love to have samples of blood


Do I have to come over to the US to give a sample of my blood? My blood
group AB negative is supposed to be a new type of blood group not more than
two thousand years old and supposedly Caucasian Mongol mix - any follow up
on this please?



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[Goanet]Goa has potential as health tourism centre: Apollo chief

2003-09-06 Thread Goa Desc
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Goa has a vast potential to be developed as a health tourism
centre, according to Dr Prathap C Reddy, chairman, Apollo
Group of hospitals - South-East Asia's largest health care
provider."The opportunity is tremendous. If we don't exploit it,
we'll miss a golden opportunity", Dr Reddy said speaking to
reporters here on Wednesday.
Dr Reddy is in Goa to personally see for himself the nearly
ready-for-opening Apollo Victor Hospital - a super-speciality
world-class hospital - in Margao.He said the country has the
best of doctors and also the technology needed to provide
world class health care.
One important advantage is the usage of English language.
"This can attract the Europeans if proper marketing is done."
Dr Reddy complimented Mr Victor Albuquerque for having the
foresight and coming up with his project with world-class
equipment and facilities.
He said the Central government is promoting India brand and
has appointed an agency for the purpose. "We can later sell it
as India health brand", he added.
Goa, he said, being already known as a tourism destination,
has greater potential in the health sector at the international
level.
He said at the Apollo group which has 25 hospitals in the country
and three abroad, nearly one lakh foreign patients have so far
been  treated at his hospitals in India.
He said with super specialities being available in several
hospitals in the country, Indian health care has demolished
White Man's phenomenon in this sector. "Indian doctors are
recognised as one of the best in the world now."He however,
said that there are certain myths which need to be decimated
like infection rate is high and that post-operative care is below par.
Dr Reddy said Apollo group and many others have proved these
wrong. Apollo group has set up seven international information
centres - in Africa, Far east, Nepal, Bangladesh and Burma.
Stressing that time was ticking for India, he said that China which
was much behind India in health care facilities ten years ago,
is moving at a fast pace and "may leap over" to stand in the
reckoning, "we have to leap forward", he emphasised.
On the promotion part, Dr Reddy said that the country's external
affairs ministry has activated its embassies abroad to attract
foreign patients to India.
In another 5-6 days, Apollo will achieve a feat of conducting
50,000  open heart surgeries. The success rate, he said, is
98.6 per cent - something which many hospitals abroad
don't achieve.
Besides 10,000 heart transplants to its credit, Apollo, he claimed,
has also done 135 bone marrow transplants and many liver
transplants as well. All this was possible due to clinical expertise
and professional management and accountability, he said.
HEART AILMENTS: Dr Reddy said it is said that by 2010 heart
disease may reach a point of an epidemic and called for
preventive measures.
His advise is that the risk could be reduced if you keep your
cholesterol low with controlled diet, stop smoking, do exercises,
and fight obesity.
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[Goanet]Goan Jews?

2003-09-06 Thread Cecil Pinto
Excerpt from:

Risque Goan Jokes (pp 170, Rs. 290/- softcover)
Compiled and translated by Cecil Pinto
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Rumoured / Actual Events Section
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Two young Israeli tourists are sitting at Babaji's Cold Drink near the 
Hanuman Temple in Mapusa. Sid and Al were both Jews. During their 
conversation, Sid asked Al, "Are there any Jews in Goa?"

"I don't know," replied Al. "Why don't we ask our waiter?"

When the waiter came by, Al asked him, "Are there Goan Jews?'

The waiter said, "I don't know sir, let me ask," and went and asked the 
patrao. He returned a few minutes later and said, "No sir. No, Goan Jews."

"Are you sure?" Al asked.

"I check again, sir," the waiter replied and went back to the patrao seated 
at the cash counter.

While he was gone, Sid said to Al, "I can't believe there are no Jews in 
Goa. Our people are scattered everywhere. And Goa has been a melting pot 
for so many different religions, cultures and civilisations."

At this point, the waiter returned. "Sir, no Goan Jews!" he said.

Are you really sure, man?" Al asked again. "I can't believe there are no 
Goan Jews."

Exasperated, the waiter frantically said, "Sir, I ask everyone! We have 
Apple Jews, Orange Jews, Tomato Jews and Grape Jews. But no one hear of 
Goan Jews!"

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[Goanet]RE: Nationality anim Ethnicity

2003-09-06 Thread Gilbert Lawrence
 "Colaco-Dias, Paulo" [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
How can a Goan not be an Indian national?

Response: 
Being Goan defines one's Ethnic Heritage.
Being Indian, Portuguese, American, British etc. defines one's
Nationality.
Regards, Gilbert



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Re: [Goanet]Weekend laughing pleasure- Citizenship test

2003-09-06 Thread lino dourado
Dotor bab,

Duentik topaslea uprant tankam 'receit'(prescription)
ditat borem zavnk.Te tea duensak tim-tim vokddam
astat.

Sumanachea sumanank amchea oslea roddtoleank tumi
hanspachi pirlam ditale, upkar korun tim chalu dovor
ga dotor bab.

Tumchem duent,

Lino Dourado/Q8


--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Weekend laughing pleasure- Citizenship test
 Due to my personal work over-load, this is my final
 regular posting under this topic. I will pass the
mantle of this immensely enjoyable task (writing Goan
humor) to Cecil (Konglish) anim Lino (Konkani). Time
permitting I will from time to time contribute and may
perhaps one day compile the 100 or so kanneos in a
book. Anybody with good stories or with thoughts and
comments are welcome to continue to write to me. GL 
 


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[Goanet]Now Goa says it's hip to be square.

2003-09-06 Thread Gabe Menezes
Daily Mail Saturday 6th Sept 2003.

Excerpts:

After years as a haven for hippie, India's answer tot he Caribbean is ready
to welcome Mr and Mrs Average. Geoffrey Wansel reports.

Remember Goa, the tiny state on the western edge of India? Back in the days
of flower power and beads it used to be a hippy paradise the place to go if
you wanted to 'drop out' and discover yourself.

..Will be the next Bali. I went to see if it was true ... the honest
answer is  - it is. Don't take my word for it , some of the Worlds largest
and shrewdest  hotel chains are moving in.

Sacred cows amble in the middle of the road and the potholes bounce you
around like a roller-coaster. but there is a charm about the place that
is impossible to deny!

The small boys and girls standing on the side of the road starring at you as
you pass are so stunningly beautiful they take your breath away. They maybe
poor but they are as gentle, proud  and diginified as their fathers and
mothers.

There is a great deal to do in Goa beyond the beaches... temples, mosques,
forts and wild life sanctuaries and  ( my words - lots of white washed
churches) and the magnificent St. Catharine's Cathedral in Old Goa.

cheers,

Gabe Menezes.

P.S. St. Catharine is the original patron Saint of Goa?





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Re: [Goanet]The Brits are coming!

2003-09-06 Thread Miguel Braganza
Dear Eddie,
Please read before you rebutt.otherwise your butt stands out!
The money spent by the charter tourists does not finance the infrastructure
they use.The returns on 'rent-back' housing has dropped because of that.
The "lavish-tipping,free- spending" tourists rarely come on charters and
even more rarely are British!
Cheers,
Miguel

- Original Message -
From: "Eddie Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet]The Brits are coming!


Poor British tourists. It is the poor tourists who come by charters and are
actually a burden on our limited infrastructure without contributing
anything significant to our GDP.
Goans cannot complain about charter tourism..it brings hordes of
domestic tourists to ogle at the 'white skins' who save on their laundry
bills by wearing minimum clothing,if they feel the need to wear anything at
all!
Eddie wrote:
> So you do not want charter tourists because they do not spend enough. What
do the Goa Goans do when they visit UK?  They will not  spend! They try to
bum off remote acquaintances in the UK -  the same acquaintances they would
not dream of inviting to their homes in Goa for even a cup of tea!
Comment:Seems like you have a poor set of Goan relatives and friends that
'bum' you in UK.Please advise them not to visit you if they can't afford the
trip.Ditto for your British friends who want to visit Goa. Cip has invited
you and Lira for 5-course lunch.I will host you both for tea(since that is
what you miss in Goa.) Just email me when you are down n Goa.

 Perhaps the UK Govt. should only grant visitors visas to those who
> have prepaid five star hotels and limos booked.  What say you?
> Comment:The UK govt. is already turning on the heat  on you guys with the
"Britishness test" designed by Home Secretary David Blunkett as a wet
blanket for those who want to become UK citizens .(ToI,05 Sept,PTI report)
It has started consular services in Goa to look after the Brit tourists. May
be we should have a similar service in your area.

> Of course, it is difficult to generalise and some charter tourists behave
> atrociously.  In this week's issue of Goan Voice UK I have quoted several
> such instances.  But there are also those who build bridges on their
return
> to the UK.
Comment: That's the truth from the horse's mouth.The UK Deputy High
Commissioner(Western India)Howard Parkinson has stated that the UK tourists
should abide by the local rules in the context of criminal activities like
drug abuse and paedophilia(Times of India 05,Sept,2003)

> Multiculturalism  is here to stay in the UK.
Comment: Skin-deep,colour of skin excluding.

 If only people in Goa could be as broadminded and less bigoted!
> Comment: Minds do not get* broader *than they are in Goa. They become
*swollen *once Goans emigrate. Therein lies the problem.
Cheers,
Miguel


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[Goanet]Re: Your recent posting

2003-09-06 Thread Liladhar R.Pendse
Mr. Martins and all of my dear friends of Goa:

Thank you for your kind words and correct feedback.
You are absolutely right in what you have said here,
however I strongly believe that two wrongs do not make
one right. Or Perhaps I am wrong.
The point I was trying to make is as follows: Goa, the
Goanet Forum and our community present an unique
opportunity for all of us to rethink about our own
relationships with eachother. I am proud to be Goan
and I dont mean to preach Hindubashing as I am Hindu
myself.
And yes in the past the dominant party did build their
places of worship on the sacred sites of the
vanquished or defeated parties. However the question
arises are we now going to be modern
reconstructionists or are we going to deconstruct the
history.

Thank you for your kind words, all I meant was the
Goans should be proud of their historical past and
learn to live with it ( just like I myself a Goan did)

Kind Regards, and Cheers to all of you in Goa. Goa
indeed lives in our hearts even if we are not present
physically in Goa. Please forgive me if I had said
something wrong.

Mr.Liladhar Pendse
USA
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> 
> You appear like a very concerned person. I
> admire you but would like to 
> clarify the point about Ayodhya and the Ram Temple.
> A recent report that has 
> been released by archeologists from abroad,
> commissioned by the Indian 
> Government indicate that there was a temple on which
> a Mosque has been built by Babar 
> (hence the name Babri). This destruction by Islam of
> former places of worship 
> was practiced by Islam and Catholics. I am from
> Salvador do Mundo, Goa and the 
> Church was built on a Hindu Temple. 
> 
>The Babri Masjid was not being used as a
> place of worship when 
> agitation commenced. The Indian Government has been
> very tolerant to the Muslim 
> community and has offered them a nearby plot to
> rebuild their destroyed mosque. 
> This does not satisfy the radicals in the Muslim and
> the Rss of the Hindu 
> Community.
> 
>As a gesture of goodwill, the Muslim
> community could have offered the 
> Ram Sevaks the mosque. Ayodhya is supposed to be the
> place of birth of Lord 
> Ram. Furthermore, I must inform you that had Ayodhya
> been in Pakistan or Saudi 
> Arabia, and if Babri Mosque was a Ram Temple, it
> would have been destroyed ages 
> ago. 
> 
>Mosques in many places in the World exist on
> the site of former 
> Churches. The Mosque in Damascus, the Haggia Mosque
> was formerly Sophia Church and 
> many places in the Balkans were one sees mosques
> were originally churches. 
> Islam has been intollerant of other religions
> despite the fact that they believe 
> in Jesus and his mother. Islam will in future be a
> menace to world peace. We 
> are already seeing their efforts to destabilize
> world governments.
> 
>But, I am sympathetic to the Palestinians and
> the Iraqis. I try to be 
> objective and I complement you on your tollerant
> nature. Keep it up.
> 
>Edgar Martins



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RE: [Goanet]Portugal's shame????

2003-09-06 Thread Bernado Colaco
Lest we forget that hundreds of Timor people were
allowed to receive education and work in Macau by the
Portuguese admin before 1999. 


 --- "Colaco-Dias, Paulo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
Just to add to what Rui has already said, if you
> have the opportunity,
> try and speak to a person native from East-Timor.
> 


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[Goanet]Questions raised over divine healing at Hospicio

2003-09-06 Thread renebarreto
Questions raised over divine healing at Hospicio

by Rupesh Samant

Margao Sept 4:

Psychiatrists and counsellors have raised questions over impartingof what
has come to be called 'divine healing' to some of the patients in the wards
of the Hospicio Hospital, Margao.
The followers of a Christian sect, the 'Believers' confirm that they offer
prayers in the Hospicio Hospital, describing it as an endeavour to heal the
patient through divine power.
Some patients said that Believers visit the hospital on Fridays and Sundays.
"They touch your head and preach from the holy book. They tell us that we
are suffering because of our past deeds."
They said sometimes a patient gets disturbed on being told that he is
suffering because of his past deeds. According to them one of the patients,
who was admitted to the hospital because he was suffering from typhoid,
turned psychologically unstable after being reminded of his past deeds.
"I was not knowing what exactly happened but I was nervous," the patient
told this correspondent on condition of anonymity. In the hospital, he was
also accompanied with his wife, who later managed to calm him down.
The hospital authorities, however, flatly deny any such incident. "No one
has brought such instance to my notice," stated Hospicio's medical
superintendent, Dr Sanjeev Dalvi.
He further said that it is not possible for the hospital staff to identify
whether the visitor is from any particular sect or is patient's relative. "I
will check up with nurses, whether they are coming," Dr Dalvi stated.
Apparently, the health minister's office was intimated about such instances
by some people. The action, however, is awaited.
The Good News Church authorities, which houses Believers activities in
Gogol, when visited, confirmed about their visit to the Hospicio. They claim
that their aim is to impart divine healing. "There is no intention of any
sort of conversion there," said Mr Ranjit Rodrigues, who manages affairs of
this church.
Going a step ahead, Mr Rodrigues, said that there has been instances wherein
people are cured immediately after divine healing in Hospicio Hospital.
He clarified that it is not church's decision to pray in hospital. "If
anyone is impressed by Believers faith and wants to pass on the benefit to
the society, he visits hospital," said Mr Rodrigues.
"We have no desire to attract anyone to our faith. We are spreading love of
God," he preached.
The psychiatrists and counsellors on the other hand disapprove such
practice. "Patients in hospital are more vulnerable towards having a
psychological breakdown in such circumstances," revealed Dr Lawrence
Rodrigues, a Margao-based psychologist.
According to him, if someone gives excessive dosage of preaching, the
repressed feelings are exposed.
What's more worrying is that the psychological imbalance contributes to
aggravation of physical problems. "Some of the chronic sicknesses are
aggravated if a person is upset," said Dr Rodrigues. The stress also adds to
the psychosomatic disorders, he added


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Re: [Goanet]DNA testing????

2003-09-06 Thread Rui Collaco
Some people seem to be getting completely out of their minds. Has anyone 
ever claimed on Goanet to be of "modern western european origin" (sic)? Can 
anyone pinpoint who and when? When I claim to be a Portuguese citizen of 
Goan origin, which I have done more than once, do you conclude that I am 
claiming to be of "white" european stock??? Which "beliefs about their 
origins" do you have in mind Mr. Helekar?
Don't you realise that being Portuguese, British, French, European, has 
nothing to do with one's ethnicity? Modern Europeans have all kinds of 
ethnic origins: in addition to the native whites, there are people of 
African, Asian, Arab, South American origin. Being European is being the 
citizen of a European state, having its nationality. Is this so difficult to 
grasp? We are in the third millenium, gentlemen. Even in an absolutely 
ethnocentric country like India, people should begin to understand that one 
need not be white to be Portuguese or European! Senseless talk of the kind 
seen below belongs to the 19th century frame of mind!

Since when is DNA testing the way to determine one's ethnicity? I don't want 
to dwell on a scientific matter I am not familiar with, but would welcome 
any scientific contribution on this issue. It is the second time on Goanet 
someone suggests DNA testing to determine whether one is Indian or not!

Rui Manuel Collaço

Lisbon



From: "Santosh Helekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet]Teotonio de Souza for Goa meet.
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 17:21:53 -
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Colaco-Dias, Paulo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> - How can a Goan not be an Indian national?
>
A Goan need not be an Indian national. But a person of Goan origin is
with very few exceptions a person of Indian origin. A colleague of
mine is conducting a massive molecular genetic study on all ethnic
groups in India, including Goa. We would love to have samples of blood
from Goans who believe they are entirely of modern Western European
origin. We can compare their genomic DNA with that of the other
communities in India, and determine whether their beliefs about their
origins are right or wrong.
Cheers,

Santosh

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RE: [Goanet]RE: MACAU VS HONG KONG

2003-09-06 Thread Rui Collaco
Brilliant, Paulo!

You've rendered a great service to the truth, as in all your earlier posts. 
It's amazing how some people venture so self-confidently into unknown 
territory. They probably assume everyone else is more ignorant than they 
are!

Just a few more facts on this issue.
In 1979, Portuguese President Gen. Ramalho Eanes, on an official visit to 
China, again expressed Portugal's willingness to return Macau to China (this 
was not official at the time, but an open secret). China refused, on the 
grounds that Hong-Kong had to go first, and that Macau was not a colony. It 
must be remembered that, unlike Hong-Kong, Macau was not occupied by force 
and had no "lease" on it. The territory was granted to the Portuguese in 
perpetuity by a Chinese ruler, out of gratitude to the Portuguese for having 
rid the China sea of pirates that used to attack and rob Chinese vessels.

During the early stages of the negotiations for the transfer of Hong-Kong, 
the British Government, with Margaret Tatcher as PM, insisted that China 
should negotiate with Portugal the transfer of Macau for the same time or 
before the tranfer of HK. The British were mad at the prospect of being 
kicked out of HK and Macau remaining in Portuguese hands. This was firmly 
rejected by China, of course. It was typical of the British, with their 
imperial arrogance. This way, Portugal had the honour of being the last of 
the former imperial powers to leave China, a full two years after the UK. 
And this was achieved always on good terms with the Chinese leadership, and 
without Portugal ever asking for it. It speaks volumes for the traditional 
Chinese wisdom, which sets China in a class of its own, unlike some of its 
neighbours.

Does anyone know what is meant by "...the British had acceded Hong Kong 
first..."? I suppose the author wanted to say "ceded". Quite a difference 
between both.

Rui Manuel Collaço

Lisbon



From: "Colaco-Dias, Paulo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [Goanet]RE: COLACO
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:31:50 +0100
>-Original Message-
>From: Gabe Menezes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: quarta-feira, 3 de Setembro de 2003 20:16
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [Goanet]RE: COLACO
>
>
>The British had acceded Hong
>Kong first, you are being pedantic to even imagine that the Portuguese
>could
>have and would have held on to Macau.
Your post assumes too much without factual validity. Why are you
convinced that the Portuguese wanted to hold on to Macau??
The facts (if you care to learn) are the following:

In 1966, rioting flares all over China. Mao started his great
proletarian "cultural revolution" to regain control of the country. The
chaos in China spills over into Macau as Red guards plaster the
Portuguese territory with violent demonstrations. Portuguese troops fire
on rampaging Red guards. Macau's governor, Brigadier Nobre de Carvalho,
negotiates from the position of weakness because Portugal cannot come to
aid and Macau tiny police force and garrison is helpless. In 1967
Brigadier Nobre de Carvalho suggests that Portugal should return Macau
back to China. It was too much pressure for Portugal to keep peace in
the territory. Peking, however, declines the offer and pulls back its
Red Guards. China claimed it was not prepared to take Macau back.
In 1974, following the democratic revolution in Portugal, Macau is again
offered back to China. But China declined the offer again claiming it
wants to recover Hong Kong first. Portugal decides to rename the
province's status to a Chinese territory under Portuguese
Administration.
And this is the main difference between the British and the Portuguese.
While Hong Kong was a British colony till the end and the British
probably left very much against their will, Macau was in fact recognized
as a Chinese Territory under Portuguese Administration, and, in fact,
offered back to China at least twice before the Sino-Portuguese
declaration of 13 April 1987 (namely 1966/1967 and 1974/1975). The
hand-over of Macau to China was indeed an excellent transition process,
achieved smoothly and in an extremely organized manner, which left the
Portuguese proud of it. Unfortunately, the most recent articles I have
been reading are pointing out for violations of the Sino-Portuguese
agreement of 1987, with regards to the increased tax payments that are
now being imposed to the working people of Macau, which are leaving them
in a much worse financial situation they had before ( violating the
Sino-Portuguese agreement of 1987).
Another important difference, Macau born people before 1987 are and will
always be full Portuguese citizens (with full citizenship rights in the
European Community) - just like the Goans born before 1961 - while the
Hong Kong citizens were removed from their British overseas citizenship
(which have never granted them any European Citizenship rights
anyway...).
Best regards,
Paulo Colaco Dias.
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[Goanet]First Journalism workshop held at Aldona.

2003-09-06 Thread Miguel Braganza
WORKSHOP  IN  JOURNALISM   HELD  AT  ALDONA  INSTITUTE

Thirty eight students from four schools and one higher secondary school in
and around Aldona participated with gusto in the first workshop in
journalism held at Aldona Institute on Saturday,06 September,2003. The
participants were taught basic skills in drafting a report on an event and
given practice exercises in filing a report. At the end of the training
sessions, the participants prepared and presented a report on the workshop
itself. It was a fun learning experience facilitated by Mr.Ashley do Rosario
and Mr.Fredrick Noronha, both well known journalists.

Mr.Ashley do Rosario was the main faculty. Wrote Jesuina Monteiro,a student
of  Std XI Commerce who hails from the island of Chorao," Ashley explained
the various steps necessary for writing a report, starting with the
collection of information,organising it in the order of importance and
finally ending with the writing of the report." He also explained to them
the process of publishing a report;from the pointman or
'Stringer/Correspondent" to "Reporter" in the news-room,onwards to the
"News Editor" and "Sub-Editor" of the relevant page before it goes to the
printer.

Mr.Fredrick Noronha is a familiar name to the news and net buffs in Goa and
abroad. Many of the participants met him for the first time. Amaro Fernandes
had this to say of Mr.Fredrick Noronha," He gave the students tips on how to
become good journalists and the various sources of information. In short, he
was very informative to the participants." That says it all!

Karan Ambrose from Bastora and Jean D'Souza from Quitla-Aldona,had this to
say at the end of the day-long workshop," Impressed by the great interest
shown by the participating students,Mr.Savio Figueiredo has offered free
access to email for one hour between 4 and 5 P.M. to the participants." Mr.
Savio Figueiredo is the President of the Aldona Institute and owns a
cybercafe close to the Institute and the bus stand in Aldona. He has also
offered to help them create email IDs for themselves as most of the student
participants were computer literate.Mr. Fredrick Noronha has volunteered to
set up a net group for the budding journalists to interact and hone their
skills. He has created the Aldona Net before and has also been the
inspiration behind Mr.Miguel Braganza's foray into journalism. More, the
merrier.Mr. Ashley do Rosario has offered to help set up a local News
Bulletin.The Aldona Institute Library now boasts of an ever increasing
number of magazines and newspapers with generous support from well wishers
Goa and all over the world. Things are looking up for the generation next.

Earlier Mr. Tony Fernandes, the AI Social Secretary welcomed the
participants and introduced the faculty.Mr. Miguel Braganza ,AI Secretary
and co-ordinator of the workshop series, proposed the Vote of Thanks.
Mr.Anthony Lawrence,AI Treasurer, and Mr. Nelson Figueiredo,member of the AI
Board of Trustees, were also present during the morning session. The
follow-up session is scheduled for the end of the Diwali vacation. I am
looking forward to that.

Ryan Pinto

Participant


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Re: [Goanet]RE: COLACO

2003-09-06 Thread Miguel Braganza
Dear Paulo,
Thank you for that enlightening piece of history. It reiterates:
1.the salazarist "negotiates from the position of weakness "even in Macau.
2.that "Macau was in fact recognized as a Chinese Territory under Portuguese
Administration" unlike Goa,which theGovernmentof Portugal till the 1980s
,and the salazarists till now,denied was a part of India.
3.that after" 1974, following the democratic revolution in Portugal" the
process of handing over Macau gained momentum.
4.that "the increased tax payments that are now being imposed to the working
people of Macau,  are leaving them in a much worse financial situation they
had before ( violating the
Sino-Portuguese agreement of 1987)." which is not the case with Goans in
Goa.It has been an upward growth trend since 1961.In fact the trend started
under General Vasalo e Silva. He was a great man. So what if he was
Portuguese.Goans are not Portuguese haters. That does not hold good for
Salazarists,though.

Exactly my thoughts. Thank you.

Cheers,

Miguel

- Original Message -
From: "Colaco-Dias, Paulo"

>pedantic to even imagine that the Portuguese
>could have and would have held on to Macau.Gabe

Your post assumes too much without factual validity. Why are you
convinced that the Portuguese wanted to hold on to Macau??

The facts (if you care to learn) are the following:

In 1966, rioting flares all over China. Mao started his great
proletarian "cultural revolution" to regain control of the country. The
chaos in China spills over into Macau as Red guards plaster the
Portuguese territory with violent demonstrations. Portuguese troops fire
on rampaging Red guards. Macau's governor, Brigadier Nobre de Carvalho,
negotiates from the position of weakness because Portugal cannot come to
aid and Macau tiny police force and garrison is helpless. In 1967
Brigadier Nobre de Carvalho suggests that Portugal should return Macau
back to China. It was too much pressure for Portugal to keep peace in
the territory.


In 1974, following the democratic revolution in Portugal, Macau is again
offered back to ChinaAnd this is the main difference between the British and
the Portuguese.
Macau was in fact recognized as a Chinese Territory under Portuguese
Administration, and, in fact,offered back to China at least twice before the
Sino-Portuguese
declaration of 13 April 1987 (namely 1966/1967 and 1974/1975). The
hand-over of Macau to China was indeed an excellent transition process,
achieved smoothly and in an extremely organized manner, which left the
Portuguese proud of it. Unfortunately, the increased tax payments that are
now being imposed to the working people of Macau, which are leaving them
in a much worse financial situation they had before ( violating the
Sino-Portuguese agreement of 1987).

Another important difference, Macau born people before 1987 are and will
always be full Portuguese citizens (with full citizenship rights in the
European Community) - just like the Goans born before 1961 - while the
Hong Kong citizens were removed from their British overseas citizenship
(which have never granted them any European Citizenship rights anyway...).

Best regards,
Paulo Colaco Dias.





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Re: [Goanet]Beating a Dead Horse!

2003-09-06 Thread Rui Collaco
I totally agree with you on this point. But if you care to analyse how the 
debates begin, you will find a trend: the "Portuguese camp" (I call it this 
way on ly for convenience's sake), or rather, most people in this camp only 
react to jaundiced anti-portuguese diatribes that are a common feature on 
this net. I don's see prejudice on this side, only a growing saturation with 
falsehoods stated by known Portugal-bashers, who are the ones really full of 
prejudice. Of course there are some "compagnons de route" who attack India 
sistematically, but you should not take the tree for the forest.

I am not aware of comparisons between East and West or Christianity vs 
Hinduism. That is futile and leads nowhere. But I have seen a Catholic 
downgrading himself and his fellow Catholics. I believe religion belongs to 
the private sphere of an individual. It is a pity most Indians don't think 
this way. Just too many of them seem ready to fight religious wars, instead 
of fighting their grinding poverty.

Of course colonialism is a bad thing, and no one in his right mind is 
defending it. Almost as bad is Indian expansionism and imperialism (bullying 
neighbours like Bangladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka, maintaining the illegal 
occupation of Kashmir with great use of violence, strong-arm tactics in 
absorbing Sikkim into the Union or the very invasion and annexation of Goa 
without ever consulting its people).

Rui Manuel Collaço

Lisbon




From: "Santosh Helekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet]Beating a Dead Horse!
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 19:56:42 -
As I have said many times before, honest and sincere criticism is a
good thing, as long as basic decency is maintained. Even flogging a
dead horse is good, once in a while, if it helps us vent our feelings.
The trouble is that one often gets the feeling that at the root of
most pro-Portugal/anti-Portugal and pro-India/anti-India debates there
exist those bad old prejudices, namely that Western people are better
than Indians or vice versa, Christianity is better than Hinduism or
vice versa, Goans are better than people of other Indian states, etc.
I hope at the very least all debaters of the issue in question agree
that forceful colonialization of the people of another land was and
still is a bad thing.
Cheers,

Santosh

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Re: [Goanet]Goa v/s Other Portuguese colonies...

2003-09-06 Thread Rui Collaco
Mr. Bhatcar, I did not mean to be arrogant in my answer but I accept I may 
have exaggerated in the tone. For that I apologise to you.

Yes, in my opinion Portugal did give Goa preferential treatment, it was the 
real jewel in the crown, but not in a material sense. Portugal made Goans 
equal with the "mainland" Portuguese, something granted to nobody else in 
the empire. You can find ample evidence of that in Portugal and its former 
empire, from a very long time back.

Last but not the least, Goa is the best place on earth for my mother too 
(she was born there). I fully respect that.

Rui Manuel Collaço


From: "Nagesh Bhatcar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet]Goa v/s Other Portuguese colonies...
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 18:09:26 +
Dear Mr.Rui Manuel Collaço,

Thanks for your passionate response about your Mozambique!
However, don't simply assume things like
'Mr. Bhatcar, you really do not seem to have much knowledge of the
world outside your little Goa.'. You know as little about me, as I know
about your background.
A humble and straightforward reply to any question or query is
more in order rather than an arrogant one.
I am not a person that has tried in anyway to slam Portugal for its
colonization. Portugal's colonization of Goa is good only for the
History books now. My sole intent was to find out whether Portugal
did indeed give Goa any preferential treatment compared to its
other colonies.
Yes, to me Goa is the best place on earth!

Nagesh Bhatcar
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


From: "Rui Collaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Mr. Bhatcar, you really do not seem to have much knowledge of the world 
outside your little Goa. But you should not talk about what 
<>>). By the present state of affairs in those 
countries you cannot judge how they were in the past!

Rui Manuel Collaço

Lisbon

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Re: [Goanet]Goa v/s Other Portuguese colonies...

2003-09-06 Thread Rui Collaco
Mr. "Gilbert",

I have tried to explain how Angola and Mozambique managed to destroy their 
economies and descend to the lowest ranks in the world. But that was after 
1975 and independence. You are talking about their situation at present. You 
can't take facts for facts, it's your problem. I know that truth hurts 
sometimes, but is still the truth. Analyse 1975 and before, if you care. Do 
I need to give you the example of Argentina, a poor country today, and the 
8th richest country in the world in 1945?

Rui Manuel Collaço

Lisbon


From: "gilbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet]Goa v/s Other Portuguese colonies...
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 09:34:57 -
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Rui Collaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 I assure you that both
> Mozambique and Angola were, at the time they attained independence
in 1975,
> among the most developed countries of Africa, far better than most
of their
> independent neighbours, and by far better administered. Angola's
growth rate
> was about 9% p.a. (something India has never managed). Any honest
scholar
> that may dwell on this will reach this conclusion. In any case,
these facts
> are well documented. The standard of living and infrastructure were
second
> to none among the countries of black Africa. Only Rodhesia and
South Africa
> were better off.

Angola among the most developed countries of Africa in 1975? Do you
include literacy and other social indicators under development? Do
you include the setting up of local Institutions like the Executive
and Judiciary as development?  Have you made a comparison of Angola
and Mozambique with ex British colonies like Kenya, Ghana and Nigeria
in 1975?  In 2003 the literacy rate of Mozambique and Angola was 45
and 42%.  The ranking in the HDR is 170 and 164 out of 179 of the
worlds nations.  And please dont blame this situation on strife
alone, after independence. One thing I will say, and that is, Goa was
left in a heavenly state in 1961, if you compare it with the state of
Angola in 1975, and today. I spent some time in Congo in 2001, and I
thought that no country in the world could be poorer, and less
educated than that country. Was surprised to see that the portuguese
colonies rank lower.
regards,  Gilbert.
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Re: [Goanet]Goan Jews?

2003-09-06 Thread John J. D'Souza
See:
Profile: Karl deSouza~Staff Evangelist ~"Jews For Jesus"
http://www.goanvoice.ca/2003/issue9/

JJD'S
- Original Message -
From: "Cecil Pinto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:33 AM
Subject: [Goanet]Goan Jews?


> Excerpt from:
>
> Risque Goan Jokes (pp 170, Rs. 290/- softcover)
> Compiled and translated by Cecil Pinto
> -
> Rumoured / Actual Events Section
> -
>
> Two young Israeli tourists are sitting at Babaji's Cold Drink near the
> Hanuman Temple in Mapusa. Sid and Al were both Jews. During their
> conversation, Sid asked Al, "Are there any Jews in Goa?"
>
> "I don't know," replied Al. "Why don't we ask our waiter?"
>
> When the waiter came by, Al asked him, "Are there Goan Jews?'
>
> The waiter said, "I don't know sir, let me ask," and went and asked the
> patrao. He returned a few minutes later and said, "No sir. No, Goan Jews."
>
> "Are you sure?" Al asked.
>
> "I check again, sir," the waiter replied and went back to the patrao
seated
> at the cash counter.
>
> While he was gone, Sid said to Al, "I can't believe there are no Jews in
> Goa. Our people are scattered everywhere. And Goa has been a melting pot
> for so many different religions, cultures and civilisations."
>
> At this point, the waiter returned. "Sir, no Goan Jews!" he said.
>
> Are you really sure, man?" Al asked again. "I can't believe there are no
> Goan Jews."
>
> Exasperated, the waiter frantically said, "Sir, I ask everyone! We have
> Apple Jews, Orange Jews, Tomato Jews and Grape Jews. But no one hear of
> Goan Jews!"
>
> ==
>
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Re: [Goanet] Beating a Dead Horse!

2003-09-06 Thread Santosh Helekar
"Rui Collaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>I don's see prejudice on this side, only a growing saturation with 
> falsehoods stated by known Portugal-bashers, who are the ones 
>really full of prejudice. 
>
...
>
>I believe religion belongs to the private sphere of an individual. 
>It is a pity most Indians don't think this way. Just too many of 
>them seem ready to fight religious wars, instead of fighting their 
>grinding poverty.
> 

One never sees prejudice in oneself, or on one's own side. That is 
why prejudice exists in this world. That is why Indians (hopefully, 
of all religions) are singled out, in the above quote, above all 
peoples, to lay the blame for fighting religious wars.

Cheers,

Santosh


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Re: [Goanet]Will someone help Tony Vaz

2003-09-06 Thread Marlon Menezes
For people that are interested, there is a discussion
underway on how to help Tony Vaz on Go-an' Connect.

http://www.goacom.com/connect/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=163

Hopefully, something can be done to help this person.
Marlon


--- "Bosco (Goanet Volunteer)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 01:23:46 +0530, "Ivor D'Cunha
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
> wrote:
> 
> Will someone please help Tony Vaz?
> 
> VIDYOTTAMA SHARMA
> 
> TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 04, 2003
> 11:45:57 PM ]
> 
> MUMBAI: The wooden stairs of Asgar Manzal in the
> crowded Chandanwadi area of
> Mumbai lead to a dingy and stinking room on the
> fourth floor. Lying on a cotton
> mattress covered with a dirty sheet is a frail man
> with bony limbs. This man
> who, today has only a television and an almirah
> among his prized possessions in
> a room that has a few dirty clothes and a stink to
> call its own, also has a
> cherished past he can boast of. The man is Tony Vaz,
> the reputed bass guitarist,
> late music director R D Burman was so fond of.
> 
> It is claimed that Burman never scored music without
> Tony, after he discovered
> him playing music in a restaurant. But right now,
> severely diabetic Tony, who is
> acutely impaired by paralysis, needs help. And needs
> it badly. For his family in
> Goa (brother, his family and mother) cannot afford
> to look after him. And he has
> nobody to call his own in Mumbai.
> 
> He is desperate to go to his home in Goa but that
> can only happen if someone
> makes arrangement for a caretaker for him. And keen
> to keep his dignity intact,
> Tony does not even hint at such a possibility. He
> keeps quiet most of the time.
> While you try to understand his condition, he offers
> help to make you understand
> his condition: "My hands and legs are paralytic."
> And then returns to his silent
> world.


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Re: [Goanet]DNA testing????

2003-09-06 Thread Santosh Helekar
"Rui Collaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>Some people seem to be getting completely out of their minds. 
>

Mr. Collaco:

I have not attacked you personally. So I would appreciate it if you 
would refrain from attacking me. I have no interest in your 
India/Portugal discussion. My post on the genetic issue was to 
clarify my point that people of Goan origin are predominantly of 
Indian origin. If you want to dispute that, I would be happy to 
debate it with you. I only ask you to keep this discussion civil, and 
not attack my mental status, intelligence, level of ignorance or 
Indianness. I promise not to attack you.

> 
>Since when is DNA testing the way to determine one's ethnicity?
>

Since the 1960's! Drs. Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Anthony Edwards and 
others did pioneering studies in the 60's to establish a new field 
called Population Genetics. It now uses genomic DNA analysis to 
establish linkages between ethnic groups. The U.S. government and the 
governments of many European countries, Japan, India, etc have funded 
major research studies under the aegis of the Human Genome Diversity 
Project to study the spread of human diasporas around the globe.

>
>I don't want to dwell on a scientific matter I am not familiar with, 
>but would welcome any scientific contribution on this issue. 
>

If you are interested, I can provide you with the names of several 
very interesting popular books on the subject.

>
>It is the second time on Goanet someone suggests DNA testing to 
>determine whether one is Indian or not!
> 

It was right the first time, and it is right now.

Cheers,

Santosh


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Re: [Goanet]Goan Jews?

2003-09-06 Thread marlon menezes
Cecil,

Are you implying that the goanet-admin and its humble
subjects might have been involved with the
extermination of the Jews? I do not recall any Goans
with nazi connections ever being on Goanet. I suggest
you check with the dictators, opps, doctors on the
other lists :) 

Wasn't there a person named Hitler in Goa? I think he
will have a better idea on what happened to the Goan
Jews. If Hitler is no longer alive, you may need to
follow up with that chap called Stalin who was/is
allegedly living somewhere in Goa. Stalin probably
obtained all the records after vanquishing Hitler.

If you cant get a hold of Stalin, you may need to
check with Churchill, who was also part of the
anti-Hitler brigade. Churchill kept his hands clean by
having others (like Stalin) do the dirty work for him,
so his information may not be "first hand". You should
not have any problems finding Churchill as I believe
he was Goa's chief mininster at one time.

Marlon

--- Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Excerpt from:
> 
> Risque Goan Jokes (pp 170, Rs. 290/- softcover)
> Compiled and translated by Cecil Pinto
> -
> Rumoured / Actual Events Section
> -
> 
> Two young Israeli tourists are sitting at Babaji's
> Cold Drink near the 
> Hanuman Temple in Mapusa. Sid and Al were both Jews.
> During their 
> conversation, Sid asked Al, "Are there any Jews in
> Goa?"


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[Goanet]BBC: Hippie legacy lingers in Goa

2003-09-06 Thread Eddie Fernandes



Headline: Hippie legacy lingers in GoaSource: BBC News. 5 
Sept. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3083178.stmBy:   
Zubair Ahmed. BBC correspondent in Bombay  
 
The western Indian state of Goa used to be known as the hippie 
capital of the world.  Its sandy beaches and lazy fusion of 
cultures first attracted backpackers from the West more than 30 years ago. 

 
All-night raves and often drug-fuelled beach parties became 
the norm - until now. 
 
Today, the former Portuguese colony seems to have all but 
closed its doors to hippie visitors and has set its sights on attracting the 
well-heeled tourist instead. 
 
The hippies may be down, but they are not entirely out. 

 
Their legacy can still be seen in Goa. I met some young Goan 
traders on Anjuna beach who are extraordinary not because of the high prices 
they quote but the language they do it in. 
 
They have never been to school, but still speak idiomatic 
English. 
 
They also call themselves by English names. I met 11-year-old 
Stephanie, who told me she was given her name by hippies. 
 
Selling point 
 
A number of those who arrived in the early days of budget 
tourism have now been assimilated into the community. 
 
English backpacker Nicole Sequeira has visited Goa regularly 
since 1982 and has finally decided to settle here. She now runs a bar and 
restaurant. 
 
"The hippies are described as a nuisance for whatever reason, 
but they are using the local community and putting the money back into the 
community more so than the chartered tourists - their money is going into the 
big companies and probably going out of Goa." 
 
 Nevertheless, state tourism officials are keen to change 
this beach and bar image. 
 
Goa has about 12,000 bars, which some say is too many for a 
tiny state of just 1.3 million people. 
 
State tourism department director N Suryanarain says: "Beach 
tourism is all right with young people and honeymooners. But when families come 
they need a lot of other activities. We have thought of opening theme parks and 
golf courses and heritage tourism." 
 
But Alu Pereira, the area manager of a big travel agency, says 
the hippies were not as bad as they were made out to be and that it would be 
folly to take the beaches away from Goa's selling point. 
 
"Goa's pristine beaches are famous all over the world," he 
says. 
 
The beaches are what first attracted the hippies 30 years ago 
and it remains unclear whether Goa will wipe out the marks the visitors have 
left. =

Gabe 
Menezes wrote on 6 Sept:
>From The Daily Mail 
(UK) 6 Sept. 2003:
>After years as a haven for hippie, 
India's answer 
tot he Caribbean is 
>ready to welcome Mr and Mrs Average. Geoffrey Wansel 
reports.
 
Alas, some narrow-minded and bigoted souls may not be 
that welcoming!




Re: [Goanet]The Brits are coming!

2003-09-06 Thread Eddie Fernandes
Dear Miguel
- Original Message - 
From: "Miguel Braganza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet]The Brits are coming!


> Dear Eddie,
> Please read before you rebutt.otherwise your butt stands out!
> The money spent by the charter tourists does not finance the
infrastructure
> they use.The returns on 'rent-back' housing has dropped because of that.
> The "lavish-tipping,free- spending" tourists rarely come on charters and
> even more rarely are British!
> Cheers,
> Miguel
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Eddie Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 7:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Goanet]The Brits are coming!
>
>
> Poor British tourists. It is the poor tourists who come by charters and
are
> actually a burden on our limited infrastructure without contributing
> anything significant to our GDP.
> Goans cannot complain about charter tourism..it brings hordes of
> domestic tourists to ogle at the 'white skins' who save on their laundry
> bills by wearing minimum clothing,if they feel the need to wear anything
at
> all!
> Eddie wrote:
> > So you do not want charter tourists because they do not spend enough.
What
> do the Goa Goans do when they visit UK?  They will not  spend! They try to
> bum off remote acquaintances in the UK -  the same acquaintances they
would
> not dream of inviting to their homes in Goa for even a cup of tea!
> Comment:Seems like you have a poor set of Goan relatives and friends that
> 'bum' you in UK.Please advise them not to visit you if they can't afford
the
> trip.Ditto for your British friends who want to visit Goa. Cip has invited
> you and Lira for 5-course lunch.I will host you both for tea(since that is
> what you miss in Goa.) Just email me when you are down n Goa.
>
>  Perhaps the UK Govt. should only grant visitors visas to those who
> > have prepaid five star hotels and limos booked.  What say you?
> > Comment:The UK govt. is already turning on the heat  on you guys with
the
> "Britishness test" designed by Home Secretary David Blunkett as a wet
> blanket for those who want to become UK citizens .(ToI,05 Sept,PTI report)
> It has started consular services in Goa to look after the Brit tourists.
May
> be we should have a similar service in your area.
>
> > Of course, it is difficult to generalise and some charter tourists
behave
> > atrociously.  In this week's issue of Goan Voice UK I have quoted
several
> > such instances.  But there are also those who build bridges on their
> return
> > to the UK.
> Comment: That's the truth from the horse's mouth.The UK Deputy High
> Commissioner(Western India)Howard Parkinson has stated that the UK
tourists
> should abide by the local rules in the context of criminal activities like
> drug abuse and paedophilia(Times of India 05,Sept,2003)
>
> > Multiculturalism  is here to stay in the UK.
> Comment: Skin-deep,colour of skin excluding.
>
>  If only people in Goa could be as broadminded and less bigoted!
> > Comment: Minds do not get* broader *than they are in Goa. They become
> *swollen *once Goans emigrate. Therein lies the problem.
> Cheers,
> Miguel
>
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[Goanet][Fwd: Inquiry]

2003-09-06 Thread Herman Carneiro
 Original Message 
Subject: Inquiry
From:"Agnelo Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:Sat, September 6, 2003 4:01 pm
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dear Goanet
Is there any Goan working in France can tell me where can I find a IATA
Travel agents email address. Or how do you'll make your travel
arrangements when you'll book your flight to Goa or Mumbai? Please advice
as I am first time going for my vacation from France. Thanks


Agnelo Fernandes English in Provence


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[Goanet-news]07 SEP 2003: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS

2003-09-06 Thread Joel D'Souza
GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
07 Sep 2003

PRINIEL LOSES BATTLE FOR LIFE: Priniel D'Costa, the lone surviving member of
the Verna road mishap succumbed to his injuries yesterday morning at the GMC
after battling for life for nearly two days. The boy's father, Nicolau D'
Costa, mother, Jennifer, and sister, Joyce, died on Thursday (September 4)
after their car hit a KTC bus in a head-on collision. Villagers of Agonda,
Canacona will bid a tearful farewell to the D'Costa family on 9 September
when the mortal remains of the four members will be taken from their
ancestral house at Agonda for last rites to St Theresa of Jesus Church,
Canacona, at 3.30 pm. (WE-GT)

GOMANT VISHWA SAMMELAN NEXT YEAR: Gomant Vishwa Sammelan, a conference for
overseas Goans, aimed at deliberations on development of Goa, will be held
in the State from January 9 to 11, 2004. The participants aimed at targeting
1000 delegates of Goan origin, 400 residing abroad, 400 from within the
country and 200 from the State to attend the conference. The theme for
discussions will be development and investment by the NRIs in art, culture,
tourism, industry, agriculture and health care. (NT)

PREPARATIONS FOR IFFI: The government has kick-started preparations for
hosting the International Film Festival of India to be held in December
2004, by resolving to constitute a society which will initiate and monitor
the infrastructure development required for holding the prestigious event.
(WE-GT)

ALLEGATIONS AGAINST ASSOLNA PANCHAYAT SECY: South Goa Dy Director of
Panchayats, Margao, has directed the Salcete BDO to inquire into the
allegations made against the Assolna panchayat secretary and to submit the
report within 10 days. (WE-GT)

WOMAN SUCCUMBS TO BURN INJURIES: Nagavva Metri, 32, a resident of St Inez,
Panaji, who had attempted to commit suicide by setting herself ablaze, died
at the Goa Medical College Hospital yesterday morning. (WE-GT)

MISMANAGEMENT IN POLICE WELFARE FUNDS: A leaked copy of minutes of a Goa
Police Welfare Society Committee meeting, indicating alleged  mismanagement
of welfare funds, has raised the hackles of a dumfounded an yet hapless
constabulary. (Mayabhushan Nagvenkar in Herald)

BODY FOUND: The police have recovered an unidentified male body found lying
near the Oriente Building situated at Panaji market. (WE-GT)

CATTLE MOVED DOWN: An unidentified heavy-duty vehicle mowed down stray
cattle--eight in number-on the open stretch of the two-lane road at
Pazentar-Cortalim in the wee hours of Saturday, but the response of the
authorities towards the situation was left much to be desired. The strays
were left dumped in a trench alongside the road. (H)

GOODS WORTH RS.2 LAKH RECOVERED: The Margao police on Friday night arrested
Bramappa Patel (22), Bashir Ahmad (24) and Armando D'Souza of Varca, and
recovered stolen property worth over Rs.2 lakh. (WE-GT)

CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL STOLEN AT NAVELIM: Burglars decamped with teakwood and
other articles worth Rs.1.16 lakh from a construction site of bungalow at
Navelim on Friday, according t complaint lodged by Luiza A Fernandes with
the Margao Police. (H)

BOOST FOR ORGANIC FARMING: After setting up 'Krishi Ghars', it is time to
promote 'Organic food'. The Government has plans to promote growth of fruits
and vegetables grown using organic manure instead of chemical fertilisers.
(WE-GT)

CLEAR DSSS APPLICATIONS: Navelim MLA and GPCC chief Luizinho Faleiro has
threatened to lead senior citizens from his constituency on a hunger strike
in front of the Social Welfare Department if the government fails to clear
all 600 applications under the Dayanand Social Security Scheme within two
months. "Senior citizens from my constituency have no other option," he
said. (H)

3 COPS AMONG 10 MALARIA PATIENTS IN VALPOI: While the outbreak of viral
hepatitis (jaundice) had caused alarm in Sattari taluka, it's now the turn
of malaria, with 10 vivax cases being reported at the Valpoi Community
Health Centre. Incidentally, three patients are policemen, while four of
them are waiters and three are migrant labourers. (H)

SCALING THE HISTORIC SATREGAD: The historic-heritage natural rock fort of
Satregad is two thousand feet above the sea level according to Mr Rajendra
Kerkar. Some of the highest peaks in Goa are located in the picturesque and
bewitching Sattari taluka-the second largest taluka of Goa after Sanguem.
Sonsogad, the highest peak of Goa, whose major portion lies in Karnataka, is
3,827 feet above sea level: the second highest peak of the Sahyadris or the
Western Ghats in Goa is Catlanchi Mauli, which is 3,633 feet above sea level
followed by Vagheri, which is 3,500 feet, followed by Morlem which is 3,400
feet above sea level. All these high peaks of Goa lie in Sattari. (Prajal
Sakhardande in Parnorama-NT)

TUNEFUL NOSTALGIA: Think Konkani 'Cantaram' and a crystal clear voice
literally wafts across. The voice of Goa's Melody King Alfred Rose. A
musician, lyricist, singer and stage artiste, all rolled i

[Goanet]British media shows interest in Goa... as tourist season starts

2003-09-06 Thread Frederick Noronha (FN)
HIPPIE legacy lingers in Goa - BBC News, UK

The western Indian state of Goa used to be known as the hippie capital
of the world. Its sandy beaches and lazy fusion of cultures ...

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