[Goanet]IGO: Stray Thoughts
'BEASTIFICATION' OF PANJIM By Rajan Narayan AND A FEW more stray thoughts and a few more observations for yet another Sunday. For a Sunday following the week when all the initiatives to form a united front against the BJP seems to have virtually collapsed. For a Sunday following the week when the Goa Pradesh Congress Committee President backed off from a confrontation on the one time settlement issue. For a Sunday following the week when the Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar hid more than he disclosed in respect of the Panjim `beastification' plan. For a Sunday following the week when Mano-harbab tried to deepen the divide between the Romi Konkaniwadis and the Devnagiri Konkaniwadis. For a Sunday following the week when the Gover-nment's fondness and obsession with extra constitutional authorities was exposed. For a Sunday when we have a few suggestions on how the BJP in Goa, like its counterpart in Delhi, could go shopping for some glamour. And a few Stray Thoughts on the collapse of the attempts to forge a united secular front against the BJP. The United Goans Democratic Party, stunned by criticism that it was aiding and abetting the saffron brigade made a counter offer. Rad-harao Gracias, the General Secretary of the UGDP mooted a proposal for a united front against the BJP which would include the Congress, the Nationalist Congress Party, the MGP and the UGDP. The only catch was that Radharao insisted that the alliance should be not just for the Lok Sabha polls but for the Assembly Polls as well. The logic being that if the UGDP was to extend support to the Congress or a combined third party candidate for the Lok Sabha elections, the Congress in turn should be willing to forego a certain number of seats in favour of the UGDP in the Assembly elections. The UGDP in fact staked a claim for eight seats in the Assembly elections. Dr. Wilfred D'Souza, who loves political arithmetic games in turn insisted that the NCP should be given eight seats. Not to be left behind, the MGP is reported to have demanded as many as ten seats. If one totals up all the demands of the various non-Congress parties, the Congress will hardly be left with 20 seats. Which obviously is not a very realistic or practical proposition. RUDDERLESS SHIPS EVEN PRESUMING that the number of seats demanded by the various parties are only a bargaining ploy and that eventually they will settle for much fewer seats, the problem is that there is nobody within the Congress Party who is willing to make any kind of commitment. The Congress continues to be a rudderless ship. Worse still, senior Congress leaders are far more obsessed with settling personal scores than with defeating the BJP. Of course, none of the Congress leaders are particularly concerned with secularism one way or the other. All senior political leaders of the non- Congress, non-BJP parties are unanimous that if everyone comes together, they can limit the BJP tally to ten seats or less. Even during the last elections, the Congress would not have lost the South Goa Parliamentary seat and the Opposition would have improved its tally by three if there had been an understanding or an electoral pact between the NCP and the Congress. But the Congress culture is such that it is every man for himself and let the devil take the hindermost. The only leader in the Congress Party who has any credibility is Nirmala Sawant. Unfortunately she is unacceptable because she is far too blunt and forthright and has been inclined to call a spade a bloody shovel. All political leaders, cutting across party lines, seem to have agreed that Goa is in for a spell of prolonged political instability. On the premise that no single party is likely to ever secure a majority of its own. The BJP of course has its own problems. Just as in the last assembly elections, the traditional Congress voters revolted because of the party's insistence on fielding tainted candidates. The BJP is also apprehensive of a similar backlash. Voters in Goa see no difference between the Congress and the BJP in that the BJP has as many scoundrels and knaves as the Congress Party. Manohar Parrikar is aware that many of his colleagues, particularly Mickky Pacheco and Babush Monserrate have become major embarrassments and are making a mockery of his claim to good governance. Whenever any delegation of businessmen or citizens approach Manohar Parrikar to rein in his corrupt colleagues, he keeps offering the excuse that he cannot do so because he has no mandate. Parrikarbab doesn't realise that at the rate at which he's going, he is going to find it difficult to retain even his own seat. MUTE LUIZINHO AND A FEW stray observations on the infamous one time settlement controversy in the Economic Development Corporation. It may be recalled that both the Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar and the GPCC Chief Luizinho Faleiro came out with white papers or rather black papers accusing each other of having swindled the EDC. On the second day of the
[Goanet]AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP (THOUGHT FOR TODAY)!
Zanvai apunnuch ieta, punn budhvontponn zomkon rauta (Knowledge comes, but wisdom lingers) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Goans in IAS?
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004, Daryl Martyris wrote: > I've been noticing that lot of directors and secretaries of government > departments are not Goans. I heard recently that the IAS still does not have > a Goa cadre. Is this true? Does anyone know why is this is so? Is it because > not enough Goans qualify for the IAS to deserve a seperate cadre? Does > anyone know if any Goan has ever joined the IAS? > I would think that not having a separate cadre is a tacit admission that > Goans lack the capacity to be good administrators. > > Of course this doesn't imply that governance will automatically become any > better if Goans head the departments, nor am I necessarily advocating a "Goa > for Goans" theme. I'm just curious. That's true. Goa doesn't have its own IAS cadre. Many reasons have been given for this; primarily the state's small size. My hunch is that the prime factor is that Goans don't trust each other enough. We have hundreds of years of contradictions and bitterness among ourselves to be still sorted out. It's no point blaming communalism alone, because even when it wasn't around in its current form, we still had a lot of caste-based battles which dominated Goa for much of the 20th century. Having said that, one would like to caution against a simplistic categorisation of "Goan IAS = good" and "outside-state IAS = bad". We have seen some fairly good IAS officers work in Goa during its Union Territory days. I really have no answer of what has changed since, and why. One could assume that a local officer might have more concern for 'getting things right' in his or her home state. But this isn't always the case. Does this logic work, say, for politicians? And many others who play a crucial role in guiding the destiny of Goa? One needs to recall that a number of recent chief ministers, including Manohar Parrikar, have had severe disagreements with the Chief Secretaries, with the later having had to ignomiously withdraw from Goa for political reasons. This is an issue which surely calls for a deeper understanding. FN ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Dealing with rats... the Orissa way
We do hope this article could contribute to the ongoing discussion on dealing with rats initiated by FN. -- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- -- Using owls to kill rats - the Orissa way -- By Jatindra Dash, Indo-Asian News Service credit: http://in.news.yahoo.com//040125/43/2b4ei.html Bhubaneswar, Jan 25 (IANS) Orissa has turned to owls to kill rats, aping a Malaysian idea that could help India save millions of tonnes of foodgrain that is lost annually to rodents. Employing what is called the bio-control method, the Wildlife Society of Orissa used bamboo stakes to erect 20 perching posts for owls in a half-acre plot of ripening paddy in October- November last year. At the end of the experiment, rat burrows in the plot were dug up. Not only were there no rodents, there was no paddy in the holes - indicating the area was free of the marauders, said Biswajit Mohanty of The Wildlife Society. The experiment was conducted in a village in Dhenkanal district under the guidance of D. Lenka, a former dean of the Orissa University of Agriculture and Technology. The bio-control method, introduced in Malaysia in the 1980s, was environment-friendly as it eliminated the use of poisons, the only other way of eliminating field rats, explained Mohanty. Every year, some 7 to 8 million tonnes of foodgrain is lost to rats, which ravage fields and store the grain in their burrows. The animals are rapid breeders and a single adult pair can produce 500 offspring in a single year, Mohanty said. Against this, a pair of breeding owls - and the 5-6 chicks they produce in a year - can eliminate up to 3,000 rats in a year, he added. The only problem was that perching spots for the birds were few and far between in most agricultural fields. This could be overcome by physically constructing the perching posts. Apart from owls, eagles and kites could also be used to control the marauding rats, Mohanty added. The use of poisons, according to him, had not only failed to control the rat population but also killed predatory birds that ate the poisoned rats. Besides, the toxins also killed creatures like lizards and frogs that inhabit the fields. Widespread use of harmful poisons also led to contamination of the soil and water. Poaching had already decimated snakes, the other natural enemy of rats. === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Goans in IAS?
[Goanet]* Viva Goa Carnaval *
000 Viva Goa Carnaval in Maryland - USA * Gordo Sabado * was celebrated at Longmead Crossing Clubhouse in Mayland by the Goa United soccer, Maryland -USA - Another great GOANLINK , a great Goan webiste www.goaunited.org which I am told will be continously updated in the future. For Pictures of * Viva Goa Carnaval * click, http://www.goaunited.org/partyset.html Goa United soccer, Organizers of Viva Goa Carnaval rene barreto www.goaday.com ooo ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Goans in IAS?
I'm assuming that the upper echelons of any state's administration is filled with IAS graduates picked up from a national pool of students. If this is in fact true, then one would expect that the majority of administrators running Goa would be non-Goan. So long as this system is being applied to all the states in India, I do not see any "conspiracy" by the so called outsiders trying to undermine Goa. Based on population statistics, I would therefore expect less than 1% of the administration's top bureaucrats to be Goan. I do not believe in reserving jobs for Goans - even in Goa. The real issue is whether these IAS folks (whether goan or not) are qualified to handle the tasks given to them. We should be debating this, rather than get trapped into stereotyping other ethnicities as Rui is trying to do. Marlon --- Rui Collaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Daryl, if 42 years after the so-called "liberation" > there has been no Goa > cadre,why would it become an issue now? Only now > have you noticed that there > are few Goans in the the Goa administration? Don't > you know that Goans are a > minority in goa's administration, at all levels, > from top to bottom? During > the colonial administration, only a handful of civil > servants were > metropolitan Portuguese, the rest (the vast > majority) were Goans. Today, I > believe only a handful of jobs are occupied by > Goans, the majority of posts > are taken up by non-Goans. Recently I challenged > goanet's Portugal-bashing > club to counter this assertion and to provide > figures on the percentage of > Goans in the administration, but there was not a > single reply. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]NFL 2004: Alvito saves Haywards from defeat
Alvito saves Haywards from defeat February 21, 2004 20:59 IST Substitute Alvito Rodrigues' injury time goal saved Haywards 2000 Sporting Clube from defeat as they rallied from behind to hold Vasco to a 1-1 draw and split points in the 8th National Football League at Margao on Saturday. After a listless performance in the first half which saw play confined to midfield for major part of the game, Vasco took the lead in the 59th minute through a free kick by Marcos Pereira after defender Louis Aniweta bought down Pereira on the top of the box. Haywards who had more of the ball possession, finally restored parity in the injury time when substitute Rodrigues, who was unmarked inside the box, shot home a pass from Francis Andrade. Haywards who could have easily won the match in the second half but were thwarted by rival 'keeper Ramos who made some brilliant saves off Seriki, Joseph Pereira and Jerose Oliveira. Joseph Pereira was also unlucky midway into the second half as his try hit the bar. With this draw, both the teams have collected 16 points from 12 matches. Haywards who has a better goal difference remained above Vasco in 7th place. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]The Goan International Link
Goenkars ! It gives me great pleasure to introduce you to Manuel Fernandes who resides in the USA , he is the owner -Moderator of the Navelkars e-group. This e-group was established on the 22nd of February 2004. Allow me to share Manuel s message to Navelkars - Goans from the of Navelim , Goa. To learn more about the navelkars group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/navelkars Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List owner: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rene barreto oo From: "Manuel Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun Feb 22, 2004 6:15 pm Subject: Yahoo Navelkars Introduce your egroup to others , tell them of what the Voluntary groups are doing for your villagers in Goa. Have a membership drive , introduce your Virtual organisation to your Village associations , to your friends etc, Get some of your friends to join you in your drive to get more people on this egroup. Make a post and tell the members of your dreams for your villagers - Regards, Moderator, Navelkars Manuel 00 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]NFL 2004: Churchill pips Tollygunge 3-2
Churchill pips Tollygunge 3-2 February 21, 2004 20:49 IST Undaunted by a two-goal deficit at the breather, Goa's Churchill Brothers staged a brilliant comeback to snatch a 3-2 win against Tollygunge Agragami in a thrilling eighth National Football League match in Kolkata on Saturday. Ghanian striker Yusif Yakubu scored a brace to draw level and Noel Wilson struck the winner for the visitors after Tollygunge took a 2-0 lead through Akeem Abolanle in the opening half at the Salt Lake stadium exchange. The Goans, who looked a pale shadow of themselves in the first session and conceded a seemingly unassailable lead, changed the colour of the game drastically in latter part and culled three points from the away match. With this, Churchill improved their tally to 21 points from 12 matches while Tollygunge still faced relegation risks with 10 only points. The Kolkata outfit, however, had an impressive start and drew first blood in the 24th minute when Akeem, fed by a long pass from medio Sandeep Das, cashed in on a defensive lapse, raced into the rival box and slotted home past an advancing Churchill custodian Mare Mascrenchs. The Churchill defenders apparently thought that Akeem was trapped off-side. Barely 10 minutes later, Tollygunge pumped in the second goal from a free kick by Jiten Rai. This time, Mare played spoilsport as he misjudged the ball, which went to Akeem via Habib Ali. Akeem made no mistake in finding the target from close. With a two-goal lead, Tollygunge fell victim to complacency and fatigue in the second half while Churchill renewed their efforts and changed strategy that delivered spectacular results. Churchill coach Marcus Pecheco brought Noel Wilson in the midfield and withdrew Riston Rodrigues to the defence to assist the lethal combination of Yakubu and Benjamin upfront. The strategy paid off well as Wilson netted the winner after Yakubu's double strike. The Ghanian broke the ice from a set piece in the 56th minute after Churchill bagged a penalty when Tollygunge's Sandeep Das handled a Rajesh Metei shot inside the box. Even before Tollygunge could weather the offensive, Yakubu, the top scorer in last two editions of NFL, restored parity through a gem of a goal in the 61st minute. The lanky striker, who got a loose ball from compatriot Benjamin atop the penalty arc, wasted no time and fired a volley following a sudden turn that sneaked into the net past Tollygunge goalkeeper Samit Debnath. Both the teams, thereafter, engaged in an exciting duel, making frequent forays into each other's territory till the visitors had the last laugh when Wilson's 30-yard right footer stunned Debnath and the hosts barely a minute before the long whistle. Tollygunge coach Krishnendu Roy expressed his dismay at the way his wards squandered the opportunity to bring home full points. The Kolkatans are now only above city rivals Mohammedan Sporting and Indian Bank in the points tally. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Goans in IAS?
Whether IAS folks (whether Goan or not Goan)are qualified to handle the tasks assigned to them is a question , the best answer lies with all those senior qualified Goans like retired Senhor J.C.ALMEIDA a distinguished personality . (I have yet to establish whether he belonged to the cadre of Union Public Service Commission (IAS)or Goa Public Service Commission)Senhor J. Rebeiro retd.Former Commissioner of Mumbai Police,(IPS) we did have some very distinguished Goans in police force like Mr.V.P.Sinari Mr. Anthony D'Souza (IPS)cadre, who did contribute positively and handled the tasks very effectively and efficiently.I am sure there are many other such Goans(i apologise if i have missed out or left out those names of Goans,but unintentionally) who belonged and belong to the cadre of IPS,IFS,IAS, who have managed and manage the tasks handed over to them. I 'm not conversant with the mode of selection of IAS/IPS/IFS/and allied services, but just wanted to know what tasks are these administrators managing in Goa , which we Goans cannot manage? Is there a procedure in theUnion Public service commission or GPSC that,on the basis of seniority, and experience by Goans a Goan can and is automatically upgraded to a cadre of IAS and the likes? These administrators who are posted to goa, play no magic, they are only administrators, one can be a administrator and one can be a decision maker, their term expires and they go away, either finished tasks or unfinished, and the next administrator arrives. In short as our dear friend mentions, the important issue here is have the tasks been accomplished? Promote those Goans to the cadre of IASand the likes on the seniority basis and experience. In this country everything and anything can be amended,according to one's own interest , i am sure there must be, or if it is not, it can with application of minds find a way to elevate Goans to the cadre of IAS. Vivek --- Marlon Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm assuming that the upper echelons of any state's > administration is filled with IAS graduates picked > up > from a national pool of students. If this is in fact > true, then one would expect that the majority of > administrators running Goa would be non-Goan. So > long > as this system is being applied to all the states in > India, I do not see any "conspiracy" by the so > called > outsiders trying to undermine Goa. Based on > population > statistics, I would therefore expect less than 1% of > the administration's top bureaucrats to be Goan. > > I do not believe in reserving jobs for Goans - even > in > Goa. The real issue is whether these IAS folks > (whether goan or not) are qualified to handle the > tasks given to them. > > We should be debating this, rather than get trapped > into stereotyping other ethnicities as Rui is trying > to do. > > Marlon > > --- Rui Collaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Daryl, if 42 years after the so-called > "liberation" > > there has been no Goa > > cadre,why would it become an issue now? Only now > > have you noticed that there > > are few Goans in the the Goa administration? Don't > > you know that Goans are a > > minority in goa's administration, at all levels, > > from top to bottom? During > > the colonial administration, only a handful of > civil > > servants were > > metropolitan Portuguese, the rest (the vast > > majority) were Goans. Today, I > > believe only a handful of jobs are occupied by > > Goans, the majority of posts > > are taken up by non-Goans. Recently I challenged > > goanet's Portugal-bashing > > club to counter this assertion and to provide > > figures on the percentage of > > Goans in the administration, but there was not a > > single reply. > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), > and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at > http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > reflect respect to others # > ## Yahoo! India Insurance Special: Be informed on the best policies, services, tools and more. Go to: http://in.insurance.yahoo.com/licspecial/index.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Mabusa
I am not interested in supporting Floriano's or Miguel's version of Mapuça or Mhapsa. Just a bit of information that may enrich our knowledge of the etymology of Goan names. The early Portuguese settlers in Goa played by ear, and tried to write the place names as they heard them. The earliest detailed map of Goa by Fernão Vaz Dourado and drawn in early 17th century writes on his map "Mabusa". A contemporary franciscan chronicle describes it as a traditional grain fair, "maha+busa". Teotonio R. de Souza - From: Miguel Braganza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mapusa-net <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet]Mhapsa Fest Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Goanetters, I have not attempted to change the name of Mapusa[ or correctly, Mapuca, with a cedilla below the 'C']. I have only chosen an appropriate name for a festival. If a Moidekar like Floriano prefers to be called a Moirakar, it is his problem. I am a Mhapsekar and I like to celebrate Mhapsa Fest. What I disputed was Floriano saying/writing that 'Mhapsa' was a marathi word. IT IS NOT. ... ... Viva Goa. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Rat problem: Why Fled Nolona no reed local newspay-pa for local sorution?
Why Fled Nalona no reed News-paypa? As Famous Moidecar Shri Confusius Fernandes said: He who go to sleep with ploblem, wake up with solution in morning newspaypa. Fled say, he have Lat ploblem. And Fled want Rocal(local) solution (sorution). I say, Sorution even in news-paypa, Fled lite(writes) for. I tell Fled, If Lat give you ploblem, No make so much Kachhra in Goa. Fled say Keeping filth level in Goa - not a rocally (locally) possible sorution (solution). So, I say: Do what Flench people and Indi peoples do. Eat the Lats. Ploblem Khalass! Make Lat chirry fly with hot paeppa sause (Rat chilly fry with hot pepper sause - transration for those who no understand S-Chainiz) nowthe story: http://sify.com/fullstory.php?id=13228126 They do eat rats in TN: Govt tells SC Tuesday, 19 August , 2003, 10:28 The Tamil Nadu Government told the Supreme Court that it was common for labourers in Tiruvarur district to eat 'robust rats' even as it denied that they have been forced to adopt such eating habits due to starvation. http://sify.com/fullstory.php?id=13228126 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Edifying Mhapsa
Dear Miguel, There is much that I find nasty in your response. I really am beginning to wonder if what you wrote is part of a practical joke or is it a bad dream? I have singled out four of the offensive remarks. 1. "if you put me on par with Floriano, I cannot consider it as a compliment." I made no attempt to weigh up your qualities or pit them against anyone else. In any case that is not relevant. Even if your contribution is billion times more, it does not excuse your behaviour. 2. "I have seen his 'TidBits' migrate to other fora" Any member of this group is free to post to other groups. 3. "Floriano has not been too kind to my sister,Fatima Antao" This has no relevance to the discussion. You must leave your baggage outside. 4. "you do not know what, and of whom, you are defending" I will defend the right of any person to speak freely. I do not have to know them first. I do hope that you learn from your mistakes. You are obviously biased but please, for the sake of this forum, try at the very least to be diplomatic. Cheers Eddie Fernandes ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Sanguem voices concern over dust pollution
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- --- Sanguem voices concern over dust pollution A group of prominent citizens from the three constituencies of Curchorem, Sanvordem and Sanguem recently met in the chambers of a lawyer in Curchorem, to voice concern over the growing dust pollution in Curchorem, Sanvordem and Sanguem. The Curchorem-based lawyer incidentally has been spearheading the movement against dust pollution in the locality. At the meeting, the citizens criticised the state government for failing to construct an alternate road from Tolem to Sanvordem for truckers carrying mineral ore and instead, spending huge sums of money on beautifying the cities of Panaji and Margao. The citizens recalled that there had been a feasibility report and study conducted by a special commission appointed for the purpose by the Congress government in 1990's over the need for the construction of the alternate road. They claimed that the present government is however sitting on the proposal, ultimately leading the people to the grave consequences of dust pollution. The citizens decided to take up the issue of dust pollution in the three constituencies of Sanguem, Curchorem and Sanvordem as lead issues in the forthcoming Lok Sabha elections, along with the need for construction of the alternate road on a war footing. The citizens also decided to undertake an awareness campaign over the need for the construction of the alternate road by sending personal letters to all the affected citizens in the three constituencies in due course of time. Citizens who attended the meeting informed that in the first phase, letters are to be sent to the people residing along side the main road, followed by letters to other citizens in the locality. -- HERALD 23/2/04 page 4 === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Indian citizen or doubtful case will be the classification after verification
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- - Process of collecting data for NRIC begins in Tiswadi today - The Union government in co-ordination with state and Union territory governments is contemplating preparation of a national register of Indian citizens (NRIC) and issue of multi-purpose national identity cards (MNIC) based on this register. The main purpose of MNIC is to provide a credible identification system and simultaneous use for several multifarious socio-economic benefits nd transactions within and outside the government. This would form the basis of more efficient E-governance and also provides a mechanism for quick identification and act as deterrent for future illegal immigration. The MNIC will be issued to citizens above 15 years of age. National register of Indian citizens (NRIC) will be providing an unique national identity number (NIN) to every citizen of the country. The national register of indian Citizen will be prepared under the provisions of the Citizenship Act, 1955. The MNIC - pilot project is being launched on pilot basis in 13 states and Union territories including Goa. The pilot area selected in Goa is the entire Tiswadi taluka in north Goa. The various operations of the project being looked after by the state government and the directorate of census operations under the office of the registrar general India, Union ministry of home affairs. The initially NRIC will be built from the local registrar of India citizens (LRIC), based on the census type exercise which has been conducted throughout the Tiswadi taluka. House-to-house enumeration has been carried out for the collection of data relating to each family and individual. For this purpose government officials have made their door-to-door visit and collected information in house list schedule and population register. The next stage is for taking photograph and finger (thumb) biometry of each eligible member of the family. In case of family member below 15 years, this details will collected later on, when they attain the age of 15 years. The residents of Tiswadi taluka are requested to visit the Integration centre, which are being established for their photograph and biometry on the specified dates and venues of the Integration centre after the intimation.They are also requested to bring any of the documentary proof like date of birth, EPIC or any identity card for the identity. The integration work in Chimbel will start on february 23 and 24 at the Chimbel village panchayat government primary school, Chimbel, government primary school, Manaswada and Balwadi zulaghar. There after the verification team will make a door to door visit for verification for ascertaining the citizenship status of each individual by following a prescribed procedure. The respondent in the family who signs the verification form certifying that her/his personal details and the photograph are correct. After verification, an individual will be classified as the Indian citizen or doubtful case. For doubtful cases a detailed procedure as prescribed in the rules will be followed to finally determine their citizenship. -- The Navhind Times 23/2/04 page 3 -- === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]KONKANI RADIO GOAWORLD LINK
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[Goanet]Re: It's a hit, it's unbelievable, it was a presentation by Kuwait's very best, KGTS in Musical 'Tiatr & Tiatrist"
Re: It's a hit, it's unbelievable, it was a presentation by Kuwait's very best, KGTS in Musical 'Tiatr & Tiatrist" Goan Welfare Society - Kuwait (GWS) stands on solid foundation since the day of its inception. The members are benevolent Goans with like minds who elect the members of the Managing Committee based on their integrity. GWS does at not point in time entertain self proclaim leaders but purely based on election. The honorable members of GWS are fully aware of their accounts and funds. They are also kept well informed at the Annual General Assembly about the various activities conducted during the Fiscal Year. The members of the GWS have the right to loud their voices and come up with constructive criticism for the well being of the Society. GWS is manned by altuistic, benevolent Goans who do not need advices of destructive minds but open to constructive critics at all times. They know how best to assist and how best to help those in need and not those in greed. It should be noted that Francis de Verna, President-KGTS and other members of KGTS including the very talented Konkani stage artistes Jose Rod, Cajetan de Sanvordem, Mario de Majorda, Domingo Araujo, Manuel de Santa Cruz, Julio Cardozo, and many others involved in the KGTS mega musical event (the first of its kind) titled "Tiatr & Tiatrist" are also respected members of GWS. The fact remains that a few crabs are in every community. It is not unusual to Goan community. May Good Lord enlighten the ignorant minds and make them face the reality. All efforts to drag the Society into such controversies failed so also efforts put in to destroy it for it stands on solid foundation and comprises of Goan stalwarts who care and love their motherland. They say charity begins at home. How sad to read the frustration in the minds. sd/- Managing Committee Goan Welfare Society - Kuwait www.goa-world.com/gws/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Carnaval fiasco at Margao and Vasco-da-Gama
The Vasco-da-Gama carnaval parade commenced at 1720 hrs and had a fair share of entires of participants who had regaled the audiences at both Panaji and Margao. This is the usual pattern where the prominent and well sponsored floats move to almost all the cities . In Margao a mammoth crowd turned disappointed as many had to go back to catch their last buses to their respective villages at 200hrs. Further the diversion of traffic which is always chaotic created a scare among the femnine sex, what with reported cases of rape and molestation now in broad daylight. The fury of the revellers at Margao was reflected when one spectator is alleged to have flung a hard object on the organisors mostly the ruling BJP councillors who were camouflaged in colourful outfits. Ironically the object landed on the forehead of an young girl and was seen bleeding profusely, only to be rushed to the Hospicio. This is a sure case where the organisors the Margao Municipal Council and Directorate of Tourism can be pulled up for negligence and demanded to pay adequate compensation for the injury caused to the child. A local NGO is trying to contact the parents to seek reliefs from the Government more as an excercise of caution and restraint when holding similar functions, given that the full constabulary was on duty. The floats at Margao ended at 2035 hrs and the local Cable 2000 a private cable operator which telecast the floats live gave an annoying performance with repeated black outs or repeat of telecast. Unfortunately at Vasco-da-Gama today Police Inspector (Traffic) Mr Dharmesh Angle, of Vasco-da-Gama played spoilsport when he gave oral instructions to the Kadamaba Transport Corporation Ltd not to allow any of their buses to enter in the city after 1500 hrs when the floats would commence. This was a tall dictatorial order and niether the Vasco-da-Gama or Mormugao Harbour were aware of these oral directives. Worst they could not provide access both on Mobile wireless or landline to Mr Angle when this writer contacted them telephonically at 1630 hrs The result was that office goers from Mormugao Port Trust, Western Shipyard ,Customs Dempos Chowgules Syndicate Bank , Food Corporation of India Antartica Office, etc and several Insatitute of Shipbuilding Bogda students had to wait in suspense and after 1720 hrs started moving towards Vasco-da-Gama on foot. It is true that it was mentioned on the local daily The Navhind Times that traffic would not be permitted into the city, but there was no directive that Office goers from Mormugao Harbour would be affected with no transport whatsoever. Only motorcycles that charge Rs.20/- to Vasco-da-Gama from Mormugao Harbour and there are not many public motorcyles on hire at the peak hour.Most of the Headland Sada buses were also moving at skeleton speed or were off the route. At Vasco-da-Gama this writer tried frantically to contact Mr Angle but to no avail. Even the police van with a "Special Task Force" had no access to Mr Angle this was indeed ridiculous. The Road Transport Inspector Directorate of Transport confirmed that at the meeting no decision was taken to stop inbound buses of KTC to pick office goers. As this was the practice for several years and buses moved along Francisco Luis Gomes Road opp the route (Swatantrya Peth ) where the floats enter the city.They laid the blame squarely on Mr Angle. At the KTC bus depot almost all the route buses were re-scheduled their bus timings. The worst sufffers were people from Panaji, Akhada, Merces, and Ponda as unlike the Margao bound office goers who could avail train services others had to fend to themselves. Having walked for more than 5 kms from Harbour they had to literally run or hitch hike lifts. The BJP President and MLA VascodaGama was contacted by the undersigned on his mobile 9822589189 the person at the other end promised to revert back but there was no further contact until 1740 hrs. The Chief Minister is requested to investigate into the cause of this arbitary decision of PI Dharmendra Angle and his not being accessible to the public in times of chaos. It is also pertinent to mention that with vans being provided to traffic and other Police they are often seen lazily tucked in their seat all this "while on duty" It is even more disgusting that the Chief Minister who is the Home Minister does not pull up the officers "ON DUTY " without uniforms or name plates displayed on their person. The Chief Minister should be bold enough to take a consensus of all the political parties to ensure that floats or public functions are not held on roads disrupting life and traffic. He has at the instance of a South Goa based NGO already stopped the "Narkasur" festival being held in front of the Collectorate. It is time now to rid the roads of nuisance. Detaining persons and traffic for the entertainment pleasure of a few in the present changing scenario is viewed with scorn and disgust and should
[Goanet]On Homeschooling and Spelling bees ...
As some of you know, we homeschool our children. My oldest daughter is in the semifinals of the Spelling Bee (Long Island schools) and I'm proud she got this far. I was going through an old issue of the Home School Court Report (July/August 2003) that had a feature article on how homeschoolers in America shine at national competitions. Although homeschoolers make up about 2% of the US school age population, they made up 12% of the 251 spelling bee finalists and 5% of the 55 geography bee finalists. Three of the past seven spelling bee winners have been homeschooled. 2002's homeschooled winner of the geography bee was 10 yrs old making him the youngest in that event's history. Here is an excerpt from the article I was reading: On May 22, 2003, 8th grader James Williams of Vancouver, Washington, became the second homeschooler in a row to place first in the National Geography Bee. He answered the question: "Goa, a state in the southwestern part of India, was a possession of what country, until 1961?" James correctly answered "Portugal" netting him a $25,000 college scholarship ... Enjoy your day! Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Rats & Garbage
Frederick Noronha has a rat problem. Melinda Powell has a garbage problem. Rats consume garbage. Transporting the garbage from Margao to Saligao would be expensive, so the rats have to be taken to the garbage. A piper is needed to lead the rats there (as suggested by Vivian and Alfred). Who will pay the piper? ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Goa's Inquisition a.k.a. Land-Grab
Pardon this intervention in a debate that I have been silently following
for some time.
On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 19:51, Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What is the name given to the land-grab by Muslim conquerors from
> 700-1500?
Conquest. Invasion.
> What was the land-grab called when done by white settlers in
> USA, Canada, Australia, India and Africa?
Colonisation. Extermination. Genocide.
> What is the land-grab called
> when undertaken by the European Jews in former Palestine?
Zionism.
> Have these groups intertwined the terminology with religion? No Seri! It
> is just called 'colonial atrocities' or 'spoils of war' etc., and that
> is what we should call it in Goa too!!! Regards, Gilbert
Whether the terminology (I have only given a few suggestions, many more
one-word descriptions are possible) is intertwined with religion or not
(the word Zionism is), 'religion' has explicitly and implicitly been one
of the justifications advanced for each of the above. As it was for the
Inquisition. Perhaps the word Inquisition is more intertwined with
religion, because religion was more explicitly advanced as one of the
justifications, whatever the real motive may have been ('land-grab'
sounds fine).
But what are you then saying? That the Inquisition was just a land-grab
and religion is unfairly being blamed, while in other cases of
land-grab, the religious aspect is being ignored? I don't think that
such is the case at all.
Let us just accept that each of the deplorable phenomena you describe
above took place (including the Inquisition), and that 'religion' was
often advanced by the proponents of each of them as being a
justification, irrespective of the real motivation; and that we should
learn from history.
Best wishes,
Vidyadhar Gadgil
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[Goanet]Re: [The Goan Forum d-list] Rat problem: Why Fled Nolona no reed local newspay-pa for local sorution?
Dr. Jose, Rat chilly fry ? Avois, Dotor Bab, hem ani kitem ? AlmeidaG --- Jose Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why Fled Nalona no reed News-paypa? > As Famous Moidecar Shri Confusius Fernandes said: He > who go to sleep with ploblem, wake up with solution > in morning newspaypa. > Fled say, he have Lat ploblem. > And Fled want Rocal(local) solution (sorution). > I say, Sorution even in news-paypa, Fled > lite(writes) for. > I tell Fled, If Lat give you ploblem, No make so > much Kachhra in Goa. > Fled say Keeping filth level in Goa - not a rocally > (locally) possible sorution (solution). > So, I say: Do what Flench people and Indi peoples > do. > Eat the Lats. Ploblem Khalass! > Make Lat chirry fly with hot paeppa sause (Rat > chilly fry with hot pepper sause - transration for > those who no understand S-Chainiz) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: On Homeschooling and Spelling bees ...
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I was going through an old issue of the Home School Court Report (July/August > 2003) that had a feature article on how homeschoolers in America shine at > national competitions. Although homeschoolers make up about 2% of the US school > age population, they made up 12% of the 251 spelling bee finalists and 5% of the > 55 geography bee finalists. Daniel Any study done on how homeschool children do with respect to social skills? Inter-personal skills? Briefly, what are some of the advantages/disadvantages of homeschooling, both short-term & long-term? George __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]CM says NO YOUTH WILL BE UNEMPLOYED BY 2005 (????)
No youth will be unemployed by 2005: CM NT News Service (NAVHIND TIMES) Bicholim Feb 22: The government would continue to give benefits of different self-employment schemes under the Chief Ministers Rojagar Yojana (CMRY) to the unemployed youths and others, said the Chief Minister, Mr Manohar Parrikar on Sunday. He further stated that no youth would be left without work by 2005. The Chief Minister, Mr Parrikar was addressing the gathering today at Hirabai Zantye memorial hall, Bicholim during a workshop on CMRY. The Mayem MLA, Mr Harish Zantye, Bicholim MLA, Mr Rajesh Patnekar, the vice-president of Economic Development Corporation (EDC), Goa, Mr Desh Prabhu Dessai, Mr Pankar and the president of Bicholim Lions club, Dr Shekhar Salkar were on the dais on the occasion. The Chief Minister lighted the traditional lamp. He also declared the renovated Hirabai Zantye memorial hall, opened for the public. Mr Parrikar stated that Goa is marching forward as far as its development is concerned and more stress is being laid on infrastructure development and generation of employment for the unemployed youths. Revealing information about various schemes under CMRY, he said that those who would try to misuse the public money, would be dealt with seriously and necessary provisions have been made in the schemes. Mr Parrikar also stated that more schemes covering agriculturists, farmers and others are under consideration and required benefit of subsidy would be given to them. A special provision of about Rs 26 crores has been also made by the government, he added. The government would see to it that in no case the unemployed youth will remain behind in moulding his career due to financial need, said Mr Parrikar. He also assured the gathering that he would shoulder the responsibility of keeping vigilance to see that Public money is fully utilised for the welfare of public in the state. Bicholim MLA Mr Patnekar, Mayem MLA, Mr Zantye and Mr Desh Prabhu Dessai, also spoke on the occasion. Dr Shekhar Salkar informed the gathering that the hall has been renovated to cater to the public needs. About Rs 15 lakh has been spent for renovation and the fund was made available by the Zantye House, Bicholim. Mr Ramakant Shetye-Savaikar proposed the vote of thanks while Dr Dinesh Amonkar compered the function. Later, the Chief Minister, Mr Parrikar inaugurated the Water Fountain at traffic circle, near Shanta Durga high school, road-junction. The estimated expenditure is about Rs 3 lakhs, which was borne by Mr Harish Zantye. ___ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Leopard shot dead in Agassaim (injured 4).
Panther mauls 4 persons at Agacaim; shot dead NT Staff Reporter Panaji, Feb 20: A full-grown spotted male panther was shot dead by Agacaim police today afternoon in the Pequen-Mercurim (Dugrem) ward of Agacaim after it attacked and wounded four people including a police constable who was patrolling the area to locate it. According to Agacaim police inspector, Mr Nolasco Raposa, those injured in the attack were Ms Dionisia Paes (60), Mr Derrick Pereira (30), Mr Freddy Vaz (28) and police constable, Mr George DCunha. All the injured were admitted to the Goa Medical College, Bambolim and are out of danger. The first to be attacked was Ms Dionisia Paes at 9.30 today morning. Alarmed by the frenzied barking of dogs and chirping of birds, the elderly tailor who was alone at home, opened her rear door to check, when the panther pounced upon her. According to the Assistant Conservator of Forests, Mr Francis Coelho, who visited the site soon after the incident, the panthers claws tore her nostril, earlobe, chin and scalp. Mr Coelho said only the wild barking of the dogs must have forced the panther away from the scene and saved Ms Paes. The beast is estimated to be about three or four years old. The lady was taken to the local doctor for initial treatment and later shifted to the Goa Medical College. The Agacaim police inspector, Mr Raposo said that armed policemen from Agacaim police station patrolled the area but though they traced his pug marks, they failed to locate him. The next mishap occurred around 2.30 p.m. The local boys were scouring the area under a jambool tree when the panther pounced from the tree onto Mr Derrick Pereira. Residents of the area when contacted said that the panther jumped from a good height taking the boys by surprise. The panther also pounced on the fleeing Mr Freddy Vaz. While the beast ripped at the hands of Mr Pereira, he also severely lacerated Mr Vaz neck. The panther was not done yet. When the patrolling police party sighted the beast, it attacked police constable Mr George DCunha who fired three rounds from his 303 rifle to finally kill the animal. Other police also fired in the air. The Deputy Conservator of Forest, Mr O V R Reddy when asked why the department had not mobilised a trap to catch the panther, said that the trap had been sent to the site but was in the process of being laid. When asked if the beast could not have been sedated with tranquilisers he said that it was possible but the animal had to be located first. The Agacaim PI, Mr Raposo said panic had seized the village and residents heaved a sigh of relief with the panthers killing. The Assistant Conservator of Forests, Mr Coelho, while expressing regret that the panther could not be trapped alive like the one that was trapped at Sinquerim recently, also expressed surprise how the beast could have come to the heavily inhabited residential area. He said the nearest woods are on the hills of Neura. Mr Coelho also informed that the panther caught alive at Sinquerim has been successfully released in the wild at Mollem after necessary treatment. ___ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Goans in IAS?
It is very disappointing to watch how journalist Frederick Noronha tries to explain the unexplainable. For him, Goa's small size is the obstacle! Is India a union of big states or a union of states? Can anyone imagine Maharashtra's or Karnataka's or UP's state administrations being massively colonised by...Goan officers? No way! So why is it OK for Goans to be bossed over mostly by non-Goan officers? Just because they are brown-skinned, even though they may come from 2000 kms away? Do they know more about Goa than the handful of Portuguese officials and the thousands of Goans of all ranks who were part of the colonial administration? I doubt very much. Noronha's "soft" and almost apologetic approach to such a decisive issue for the future of goans sounds weird. His call for "deeper understanding of the issue" must be music to the ears of the Indian authorities. They can carry on with their high-handedness regarding Goa and Goans. They know that no reaction can be expected from them. Rui Manuel Collaço Lisbon From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]Goans in IAS? Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:29:43 +0530 (IST) On Sun, 22 Feb 2004, Daryl Martyris wrote: > I've been noticing that lot of directors and secretaries of government > departments are not Goans. I heard recently that the IAS still does not have > a Goa cadre. Is this true? Does anyone know why is this is so? Is it because > not enough Goans qualify for the IAS to deserve a seperate cadre? Does > anyone know if any Goan has ever joined the IAS? > I would think that not having a separate cadre is a tacit admission that > Goans lack the capacity to be good administrators. > > Of course this doesn't imply that governance will automatically become any > better if Goans head the departments, nor am I necessarily advocating a "Goa > for Goans" theme. I'm just curious. That's true. Goa doesn't have its own IAS cadre. Many reasons have been given for this; primarily the state's small size. My hunch is that the prime factor is that Goans don't trust each other enough. We have hundreds of years of contradictions and bitterness among ourselves to be still sorted out. It's no point blaming communalism alone, because even when it wasn't around in its current form, we still had a lot of caste-based battles which dominated Goa for much of the 20th century. Having said that, one would like to caution against a simplistic categorisation of "Goan IAS = good" and "outside-state IAS = bad". We have seen some fairly good IAS officers work in Goa during its Union Territory days. I really have no answer of what has changed since, and why. One could assume that a local officer might have more concern for 'getting things right' in his or her home state. But this isn't always the case. Does this logic work, say, for politicians? And many others who play a crucial role in guiding the destiny of Goa? One needs to recall that a number of recent chief ministers, including Manohar Parrikar, have had severe disagreements with the Chief Secretaries, with the later having had to ignomiously withdraw from Goa for political reasons. This is an issue which surely calls for a deeper understanding. FN ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Another Leopard Sighted at Taleigao, Sinqurim (latest)
Leopard on the prowl at Dramapur Sightings reported at Taleigao, Sinquerim PANJIM, FEB 23 BY HERALD REPORTER While investigations into Fridays leopard shooting incident are still on, the Forest Department is on its toes again, as a leopard has now been spotted in Dramapur, Salcete.Department officials today said a complaint had been received of a leopard being spotted by some labourers who were working at a village bhandara.According to the departments Wildlife Division, the leopard is on the prowl in the Macazana-Dramapur-Fatarpa area for quite sometime. However, despite setting a number of traps, the department has not been able to cage the animal.In the meantime, the department has also stepped up its vigil at Dona Paula where it is rumoured that a leopard is on the prowl at the Taleigao plateau.The department, officials said are not taking chances and are also investigating into one more case where another leopard is reported to have been sighted at Sinquerim. It may be recalled that a leopard that terrorised this tourist place, was trapped by the Forest department personnel a little more than a week ago.Mr O V R Reddy, Deputy Conservator of Forests told Herald today that the department was unable to determine the reason behind the sudden increase in leopard sightings in human habitation. While the census report of 1997 disclosed a figure of 25 leopards in the wildlife areas, the figure has enhanced to 41 in the 02 report, said Reddy indicating this as a significant increase.The department has denied that encroachments in forest areas or deforestation as a reason behind the increased leopard sightings. The department rescued a leopard cub in Canacona three days ago. The cub, as reported by Herald, has been taken to Bondla.The department also disclosed that in separate cases, two leopards were found dead recently. While the first case was that of drowning, the second was an accident where a leopard was hit by a moving vehicle.Deeming the Friday leopard shooting incident as unfortunate, the department has sought for a detailed report from the Superintendent of Police, north Goa. The report is expected in three-four days. A first information report of the incident has been registered with the forest department and statements of the injured and other witnesses are being recorded. ___ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Goans in the IAS?
Rui, you missed the point I was making. Besides, when I say "many reasons have been given", I obviously don't buy the logic. My belief is that the inability of Goans (of all religions, regions and caste-groups) to form a shared understanding of their sense of history, geography, politics and culture, has fallen everyone costly. Not just on the IAS issues. I maintain too that the local = good and non-local = bad education is far too simplistic. Having IAS (or whatever) officers who care, however, would make a big difference. The same applies for journalists and even non-residents. Of course, we could always argue about what the term *care* means. FN PS: Apologies that my argument below doesn't fit into your categorisation of the good-guys and the bad-guys in post-1961 Goa. Rui Collaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:50:12 + It is very disappointing to watch how journalist Frederick Noronha tries to explain the unexplainable. For him, Goa's small size is the obstacle! Is India a union of big states or a union of states? Can anyone imagine... Rui Manuel Collac,o Lisbon >From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >That's true. Goa doesn't have its own IAS cadre. > >Many reasons have been given for this; primarily the state's small size. >My hunch is that the prime factor is that Goans don't trust each other >enough. We have hundreds of years of contradictions and bitterness among >ourselves to be still sorted out. It's no point blaming communalism alone, >because even when it wasn't around in its current form, we still had a lot >of caste-based battles which dominated Goa for much of the 20th century. > >Having said that, one would like to caution against a simplistic >categorisation of "Goan IAS = good" and "outside-state IAS = bad". We >have seen some fairly good IAS officers work in Goa during its Union >Territory days. I really have no answer of what has changed since, and >why. > >One could assume that a local officer might have more concern for 'getting >things right' in his or her home state. But this isn't always the case. >Does this logic work, say, for politicians? And many others who play a >crucial role in guiding the destiny of Goa? > >One needs to recall that a number of recent chief ministers, including >Manohar Parrikar, have had severe disagreements with the Chief >Secretaries, with the later having had to ignomiously withdraw from Goa >for political reasons. > >This is an issue which surely calls for a deeper understanding. FN ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Goa's Electricity Woes --
Revamping Goa's electricity network will indeed be a huge task to undertake. Having worked for the Electricity Department in the early 80s, I know of some of the problems that the Department had to endure. There are a lot of hurdles that will have to be crossed to achieve what Dr.Antao has envisaged for Goa. Many competent and talented Engineers are at the helm, but the process of sanctioning and implementation is a rather arduous one. Months used to go by in obtaining monetary sanctions from the Government. Almost every file had to go right up to the Chief Minister's office! I think the present Chief Electrical Engineer, T.H.Rao is a very competent and efficient person. Then he used to be an Executive Engineer, having just returned from an overseas stint. With respect to manpower and equipment, there are many things that are not in order. I think that there are more clerical folks than technical! Prior to Goa's becoming a State, DGS&D used to be the agency that acquired equipment for the Electricity Department. Corrupt as it was, the agency used to inspect and approve substandard material right from an insulator to a huge transformer or circuit breaker. Nearly 50% of the equipment supplied, used to be damaged or below standards. Faulty equipment meant more breakdowns, more failures. Faulty meters meant erroneous readings. Replacing all the defective equipment is beyond imagination. Pilferage - The meters were not tamperproof, nor was there trained manpower to enfore laws against pilferage. The poor meter-reader has his hands full covering vast areas. Many people used to draw more power than they were entitled to. In rural areas, local electricity dept. folks were apt at giving illegal power connections. In short corruption is part of the problem. Because of heavy pilferage and faulty meters both at the domestic and commercial levels, the losses used to be quite heavy. Facts and figures got manipulated. Political patronage is one other aspect. People 'with influence', got better equipment and better voltage. Politicians have always been keen on 'inaugurating' transformers and having a plaque with their names next to it. The only time things were looking good due to political pressure, was during the CHOGM meet in Goa, in 1983. A lot of money was spent on the infrastructure, but I don't think there was proper maintenance thereafter. Training-- There is definitely insufficient training. A helper, who holds the ladder graduates to lineman! The linemen don't have proper tools or safety gear, as is seen in developed countries. It is a mockery of sorts to see a man in hawaii chappals climb up the ladder to fix a broken wire! Many have been electrocuted due to insufficient training and inadequqte safety measures in place. Special equipment to work on lines when they were 'hot' was lacking. It had to be imported from overseas and the Dept went through the exercise of getting the Foreign exchange sanctioned, every year, without much success. Vehicles-- There were not enough vehicles to go around to attend to faults. I have even seen some of the helpers carrying ladders on bicycles in the city of Panjim! And yet, top officials used to use vehicles to ferry themselves and their staff on lunchbreaks! In the west, just one person driving his well-equipped truck with a hydraulic lift, is able to come and fix problems. Then again, he/she works with excellent products. Maharashtra and Karnataka used to supply the electricity and whenever they had loadshedding conditions, Goa was the one to suffer. Whatever revenue shortfalls Maharashtra or Karnataka Electricity Boards endured, got passed on to Goans. There is definitely no quickfix to all the woes. A concerted effort without political interference, is a must. Even if there is surplus power, as Dr. Antao mentions, to transform the entire network into something on the lines of Bombay/Mumbai, will take a lot of time and money. Dr. Antao mentions the 'defeatist' attitude of the Electricity Department officials; I think that the Engineers at the helm certainly know what exactly they are dealing with! Nagesh Bhatcar [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Goa’s Electricity Woes by Brian Antao, Ph.D Goa claims to be having a surplus in Electric power that it is selling to other states at a good margin of profit. Yet people in the state <<< power supply, surely "Where there is a will there is a way" to ensuring that the entire state of Goa too has good uninterruptible electric power! _ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE r
[Goanet]History or fantasy?
History or fantasy? Rui Collaco: Inquisition as a land-grab? Thousands of Portuguese migrants pouring into Goa and taking up those lands? Boat-loads of Jews coming to Goa as "refugees" from...Portugal? And then getting killed in Goa? Sometimes I find it difficult to believe what I read on GoaNet... And that those who went there were either soldiers, bureaucrats or priests, on duty? And some adventurers, in addition? Do you know that being sent to India was more of a punishment than something you aspired to, in those days? Gilbert responds: Thanks for following this thread. I think some of what you are saying may be true and I wish you had provided some statistics to your statements. Since you live in Portugal, you and your Goan friends can be a valuable source of factual/scientific information to this discussion. However the period we are talking about (the early colonization), Goa was only Tiswadi, Ilhas (Panjim and Old Goa). So even soldiers, bureaucrats, business men and their families, priests, nuns, and Portuguese 'rejects' sent as punishment and as refugees could have added to quite a number. Don't forget seamen (merchant and navy). Then after 1540-50, Albuquerque soldiers whom he encouraged to marry native women added their own multiple progeny to Goa's population. You could count them as native or as Portuguese. Take your pick. :=)) They would need a place to stay and an occupation. Portuguese forts (both defense forces and storage for trade) and churches and other defensive installations in themselves needed land to build on. As far as the numbers of Jews and Crypto-Jews that immigrated to Goa, and then were victims of the inquisition, "killed and tortured and killed" you will have to ask the Goanet historians who made that claim. We Goans tend to sometimes convert anecdotal cases to statistics. :=)) Regards. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Goans in IAS?
Rui, Daryl did ask the right questions. your pontification only reflects your colored perception, not facts. a simpler explanation is goans in general give a rats ass for being ambitious or risk takers. we need a closer look at our culture. we are quite content being glorified clerks. a goan mathemathician is as rare as the bluemoon, so is the case of an IAS career. hard work and grit are mandatory. fat chance for a dandy. what makes you think we goans are discriminated or denied IAS positions? agnelo > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > From: "Rui Collaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Goanet]Goans in IAS? > Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:37:43 + > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Daryl, if 42 years after the so-called "liberation" > there has been no Goa > cadre,why would it become an issue now? Only now > have you noticed that there > are few Goans in the the Goa administration? Don't > you know that Goans are a > minority in goa's administration, at all levels, > from top to bottom? During > the colonial administration, only a handful of civil > servants were > metropolitan Portuguese, the rest (the vast > majority) were Goans. Today, I > believe only a handful of jobs are occupied by > Goans, the majority of posts > are taken up by non-Goans. Recently I challenged > goanet's Portugal-bashing > club to counter this assertion and to provide > figures on the percentage of > Goans in the administration, but there was not a > single reply. I believe the > Tourism Dept. has not had a Goan heading it since > 1961! This is how > liberators treat the "liberated" people, while > denouncing the evils of > colonialism. Comes with the territory! How would you > otherwise sell Goa's > image as a land of "sussegad" people (to use Goa's > corrupt version of a > Portuguese word), easy women (that Indians come to > ogle at), and > alcohol-drinking Catholics? I am afraid it may be > too late in the day to > reverse some very serious developments that Goans > did not notice over the > years. If anyone thought that the "liberation" was > an act of Indian > "generosity", then it's time to wake up. > "Liberation" came with a price. A > price that is being paid by Goans, specially the > Catholics, in increasing > installments! > > Rui Manuel Collaço > > Lisbon > > > > >From: "Daryl Martyris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: [Goanet]Goans in IAS? > >Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:46:53 -0600 > > > >I've been noticing that lot of directors and > secretaries of government > >departments are not Goans. I heard recently that > the IAS still does not > >have > >a Goa cadre. Is this true? Does anyone know why is > this is so? Is it > >because > >not enough Goans qualify for the IAS to deserve a > seperate cadre? Does > >anyone know if any Goan has ever joined the IAS? > > I would think that not having a separate cadre is > a tacit admission that > >Goans lack the capacity to be good administrators. > > > >Of course this doesn't imply that governance will > automatically become any > >better if Goans head the departments, nor am I > necessarily advocating a > >"Goa > >for Goans" theme. I'm just curious. > > > >best wishes, > > > >Daryl __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re:[Goanet]Mabusa
I have seen a slightly different interpretation in Morena de Souza's Bardezcheo Igorjeo. to recollect from memory: he gives 'busa' as dust or chaff. agnelo original post: Teotonio R. de Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:07:52 + (Hora padrão de Greenwich) http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-February/010196.html __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Goans in IAS?
Why blame the victim? If, as you say, Goans are being oppressed by a repressive by indian imperialists, why blame a journalist in that oppressed land ? Is it not your duty, as a patriot, who has the good fortune to live in a country, which as you repeatedly proclaim, is a true friend of Goa, to do something about it? A Goan - Portuguese government in exile, protests to the United Nations, protest marches to the indian embassy. I submit that, these things are not done, because it is all humbug and posturing. --- Rui Collaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is very disappointing to watch how journalist > Frederick Noronha tries to > explain the unexplainable. For him, Goa's small size > is the obstacle! Is > India a union of big states or a union of states? > Can anyone imagine > Maharashtra's or Karnataka's or UP's state > administrations being massively > colonised by...Goan officers? No way! So why is it > OK for Goans to be bossed > over mostly by non-Goan officers? Just because they > are brown-skinned, even > though they may come from 2000 kms away? Do they > know more about Goa than > the handful of Portuguese officials and the > thousands of Goans of all ranks > who were part of the colonial administration? I > doubt very much. > Noronha's "soft" and almost apologetic approach to > such a decisive issue for > the future of goans sounds weird. His call for > "deeper understanding of the > issue" must be music to the ears of the Indian > authorities. They can carry > on with their high-handedness regarding Goa and > Goans. They know that no > reaction can be expected from them. > > Rui Manuel Collaço > > Lisbon > > > >From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [Goanet]Goans in IAS? > >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:29:43 +0530 (IST) > > > >On Sun, 22 Feb 2004, Daryl Martyris wrote: > > > > > I've been noticing that lot of directors and > secretaries of government > > > departments are not Goans. I heard recently that > the IAS still does not > >have > > > a Goa cadre. Is this true? Does anyone know why > is this is so? Is it > >because > > > not enough Goans qualify for the IAS to deserve > a seperate cadre? Does > > > anyone know if any Goan has ever joined the IAS? > > > I would think that not having a separate cadre > is a tacit admission > >that > > > Goans lack the capacity to be good > administrators. > > > > > > Of course this doesn't imply that governance > will automatically become > >any > > > better if Goans head the departments, nor am I > necessarily advocating a > >"Goa > > > for Goans" theme. I'm just curious. > > > >That's true. Goa doesn't have its own IAS cadre. > > > >Many reasons have been given for this; primarily > the state's small size. > >My hunch is that the prime factor is that Goans > don't trust each other > >enough. We have hundreds of years of contradictions > and bitterness among > >ourselves to be still sorted out. It's no point > blaming communalism alone, > >because even when it wasn't around in its current > form, we still had a lot > >of caste-based battles which dominated Goa for much > of the 20th century. > > > >Having said that, one would like to caution against > a simplistic > >categorisation of "Goan IAS = good" and > "outside-state IAS = bad". We > >have seen some fairly good IAS officers work in Goa > during its Union > >Territory days. I really have no answer of what has > changed since, and > >why. > > > >One could assume that a local officer might have > more concern for 'getting > >things right' in his or her home state. But this > isn't always the case. > >Does this logic work, say, for politicians? And > many others who play a > >crucial role in guiding the destiny of Goa? > > > >One needs to recall that a number of recent chief > ministers, including > >Manohar Parrikar, have had severe disagreements > with the Chief > >Secretaries, with the later having had to > ignomiously withdraw from Goa > >for political reasons. > > > >This is an issue which surely calls for a deeper > understanding. FN > > > >## > ># Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > # > ># PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to > Goa), and avoid top-posts # > ># More details on Goanet at > http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > ># Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > reflect respect to others # > >## > > _ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months > FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic
[Goanet]Goa IAS cadre
The whole purpose of a joint cadre is to help the officer develop expertise in a particular state instead of being frequently transferred around. It has little to do with being from Goa since I believe that only a third of officers belonging to any state'scadre can actually be residents of that state (due to national integration ostensibly). So, assuming Goa needed a cadre of 12 IAS officers, no more than 4 can be from Goa, even assuming that 4 Goans qualify. A few of us have experienced first-hand the devasting effect that frequent transfers of top officials can have, in our work with GSCP. It was also my experience that the one out-of state director of education I dealth with was absolutely clueless about the huge differences between Goa's school system and that of other state's. However I don't wish to generalize this experience. The advantage of a state cadre is that even if they get transferred to another department in Goa, at least they are still around to pull their weight while the new person gets up to speed. The Goa government would do well to push this issue, and simultaneously organizations like Rotary should consider sponsoring IAS exam preparation camps so that young Goans qualify in the first place. p.s. Whoever mentioned Julio Ribeiro - he's IPS, and I think Alban Couto is IFS - totally seperate from IAS, Message: 4 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:15:27 -0800 (PST) From: halur rasho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet]Goans in IAS? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I am not mistaken,Goa currently has a joint cadre with AP(Arunachal) and Mizoram. The BJP had proposed a joint cadre with Maharashtra or Karnatka, which was not viewed favorably. A state cadre is probably on the cards. A candidate is alloted to a state according rank and preference in the all india selection process. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Just the facts needed
Just the facts on immigration - needed Gilbert: Do you have any immigration statistics into Goa from 1530-1600? Tariq Siddiqui: I don't keep such statistics. Perhaps a trip to Lisbon or Goa and an effort on your part to dig through the archives would do the trick. Gilbert: Thanks for your honesty. Most others who have expressed an opinion, written web pages etc. on Goa's inquisition have not even responded or send any specific facts on immigration or on the inquisition that they collected during their research prior to writing their articles. In all probability with this silence it would suggest that there are no statistics available. So, we Goans, like the above respondent have substituted anecdotal cases for facts and statistics. And if we do not have them, we can always have opinions ani philosophies. And that includes me. :=)) My information are references that at its political peak in 1650-1800, the capital Old Goa compared in population size to Lisbon or Madrid - the largest cities in Europe at the time. This population included native Goans and Indians, but very likely they were in a minority (due to force displacement and short life expectancy). I would not be surprised if European immigrants taking advantage of the economic prosperity of Goa and of course the Portuguese army and seamen (including merchant and navy) stationed in tiny Goa were a significant segment. Hence it would be nice to have a discussion on the Inquisition using Goan facts. The specific data I could collect about Goa's statistics was a reference that in 1570 tiny Portuguese-Goa (not today's Goa) had a population of 200,000 and seventy-five percent of them were Christians. Other stats on the inquisition that I have gathered will be posted at a later date. Regards ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]IAS again
p.s. For the benefit of those who are not aware of the distinction between the IAS and state level bureaucracies, the former is selected by the Union Public Service Commission, and the latter by State PSC's. I believe around 120 IAS officers are selected per year nationwide, and a few dozen IPS and IFS as well. IAS officers start as block development officers, move to District collectors and eventually end up as secretaries of different departments, as well as directors of those departments. Bureaucrats selected by the state PSC's cannot aspire to rise higher than deputy director of a department, though on occasion they rise to directors or even secretaries. Such indominable individuals are (derisivley) referred to as "promotees", by their IAS kin. The IAS remains entirely merit-based and draws some of the brightest minds from across the country and hence generally (not alwys) produces a better quality product than the state commissions which ave been known to operate on the, shall we say, "merit plus" principle. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Goa IAS cadre
Without IAS, IPS and IFS Goa was governed better prior to 61. Brightest minds only on paper. B. Colaco ___ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet-news]24 FEB 2004: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS 24 February 2004 LEOPARD THEORY PROVED WRONG: Is an increase in leopard population and its habit of maintaining territorial dominance responsible for the straying of the wild cats in residential areas? Forest department officials think so and have debunked the theory doing the rounds that disturbance to the leopard habitat is responsible for the recent cases. "Tigers and leopards are territorial animals," says Deputy Conservator of Forests, OV Reddy. The leopard population has grown from 25 as per the 1997 census to 41 in 2002. (GT) FOREST OFFICIALS SEEK EXPLANATION: The Forest department has taken a serious view of the shooting of the leopard at Agassaim and asked the Superintendent of Police, North, to submit a report in the circumstances leading to the killing of the wild cat at Dugrem, Agassaim, on February 20 afternoon. Officials are waiting to talk to one of the victims, Vionisia Paes, who was attacked first and is still recovering at GMC hospital, Bambolim. (GT) LEOPARDS ON THE PROWL: While investigations into the leopard shooting incident are still on, the Forest department is on its toes again, as a leopard has now been spotted in Dramapur, Salcete. However, despite setting up a number of traps, the department has not been able to cage the animal. In the meantime, the department has also stepped up its vigil at Dona Paula where it is rumoured that a leopard is on the prowl at the Taleigao plateau. The department rescued a leopard cub in Canacona three days ago, and shifted it to Bondla. (H) 43 FLOATS PARADE THROUGH VASCO: Thousands of people lined up on the streets in the port town, to witness the Carnival parade on February 23. The late arrival of King Momo by almost an hour delayed the start of the parade. A visibly exhausted King Momo, who led the parade, was accompanied by Queen Momo Sonia Pinto. As many as 43 floats participated in the parade. A liquor company sponsored float had three horses participating in the parade. Though the entire proceedings were telecast live by cable operators, thousands of people lined up the entire route from St Andrew's Church to FL Gomes Road and the Swatantra Path. (H) FLOAT PARADE AT QUEPEM: The Quepem Carnival and Shigmotsav has organised float parade in Quepem on February 24 from 5 pm onwards. (H) BOY KILLED, 4 HURT IN FREAK ACCIDENT: Himanshu Sail (16) of Sangolda died on the spot while four others were injured in a freak accident involving five vehicles at Guirim, Mapusa, on the Mapusa-Panaji highway on February 23 at 1.30 pm. A Toyota Qualis was proceeding towards Panaji followed by a Maruti Van, a Honda Activa scooter and a Hero Honda motorcycle. Himanshu Sail on his Activa tried to overtake both the Maruti and Qualis simultaneously. While doing so, he overlooked a Matiz coming in the opposite direction. His Activa collided head-on with the Matiz killing him on the spot. (GT) ARRESTED IN CHEATING CASE: The Margao town police arrested Maximus Fernandes, a man from Mumbai, in connection with a cheating case. (NT) GOA, FIRST STATE TO LINK RIVERS: Goa takes the credit of being the first State to implement the linking of rivers project, with the inauguration of 'open' type of bhandara across Chapora river in Sal, Bicholim, on February 23. The project will now link Chapora river to Assonora river by a pipeline. The project, which has cost the government Rs.2.40 crore has facilitated the interlinking of Chapora river to Assonora river in the Mhadei basin. The interlinking of Salauli river to Khandepar river has already been completed.Earlier the chief minister inaugurated the "Goa Flora", a floriculture nursery started by Vivek Naik at Sal village. (H) MUSICAL NIGHT MINUS LORNA: The much-hyped Konkani musical nite organised by the Margao Carnival Committee got underway at the Ravindra Bhavan site in Margao on February 23, but minus Lorna. While the committee alleged that Lorna turned down the request to perform in today's programme at the eleventh hour, it could not be ascertained what made the 'Nightingale of Goa ' to back out from the programme. However, the presence of Rita Rose and Nephie Rodrigues along with many stars of Konkani stage did compensate the music lovers, when they regaled the crowd with Goan melodies. (H) GOAN SEAMEN RETURN AFTER GREEK COMPANY GOES BANKRUPT: After a near two-month stay on board the cruise liner "Triton", owned by the Greek company-Royal Olympic Cruises-the 24 Goan seafarers, including a female crew member, have finally returned back home on February 23 afternoon. (H) GOA FILM FESTIVAL FROM 29 NOV: The countdown to International Film Festival Goa 2004 has begun with the Federation of Indian Film Festival having finalised the dates for holding the film festival in Goa-between 29 November and 9 December 2004. With the dates having been confirmed, the Goa Festival will now figure in the world entertainment calendar. (GT) LOOKING OUT FOR A SUITABLE MATCH? Frederick Noronha's Cybermatrimonia
Re: [Goanet]Re: On Homeschooling and Spelling bees ...
Without checking the available body of research, I'd be willing to bet that children who are homeschooled in the US: 1. perform at or above grade level in greater numbers than non-homeschooled children 2. use drugs less 3. use cigarettes less 4. are less likely to act out violently 5. are sexually active later 6. break the law less 7. are socialized more effectively Besides, if Hillary Clinton is against it, it has to be a good system! The less your kids are exposed to the "it takes a village mentality" the better, especially when the "village" is a morally bankrupt school system. As a case in point, in the City of Oakland, CA, a few years ago, the School Board decided that its failing African American students needed to be taught in "Ebonics" , this after putting them in CHINESE BILINGUAL classes for years to prop up that failing program. NO WONDER THEY WERE FAILING. More on homeschooling in the US at http://www.nheri.org/ http://www.hslda.org/research/default.asp http://www.homeschool.com/ Daniel - I think you've made the right decision wrt your children; if I had small children today I'd seriously consider homeschooling them. Cheers - Viviana George Pinto wrote: Daniel - Any study done on how homeschool children do with respect to social skills? Inter-personal skills? Briefly, what are some of the advantages/disadvantages of homeschooling, both short-term & long-term? George ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]FRIDAY BALCAO:Shashikant Punaji to speak on the Co-operative movement in Goa
--- Welcome to the FRIDAY BALCAO Read the Balcao Synopsis on the website http://www.goadesc.org/balcao/ --- Dear Cybergaokars on GoaNet, Friday Balcao the fortnightly discussion event to be held on 27th February will feature the topic The Co-operative movement in Goa and the new legislation. The discussion will be led by Mr. Shashikant Punaji, Vice Chairman of the Pernem Taluka Farmers Co-operative Society and editor of 'Sahakar Goa' a monthly magazine on Co-operatives and agriculture. Mr. Punaji in his presentation will look at the Co-operative sector and its role in boosting Goa's economy. He will also cover people's participation in the co-operative sector in the various Talukas. Besides covering the history of the co-operative movement in Goa Mr. Punaji will also discuss the implications of the recent Co-operative Act passed by the Goa Legislative Assembly . Those citizens wanting to contribute to the discussion at Friday Balcao are urged to attend the event while those who cannot attend the event may send their views and action plan suggestions by post to FRIDAY BALCAO Post Box 78, Mapusa 403 507 or by email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Friday Balcao will be from 4pm to 6pm at the Goa Desc Resource Centre No.11 Liberty Apartments Feira Alta, Mapusa and is open to members of the public. Those citizens who would like to receive the regular invitation to Friday Balcao for 2004 and a one page synopsis of the fortnightly session can subscribe for the same by sending Rs.80/- to cover printing and mailing costs. Interested citizens wanting more information on Friday Balcao can phone on 2252660 best wishes, Lillian D'Costa === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Pre 1961 history of the Goa Police
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- - Pre 1961 history of the Goa Police - The Goa Police as an independent organisation was born in April 1946 with the establishment of Policia do Estado da India (PEI) Police of India, through a decree of the Portuguese regime which ruled Goa until 1961. Until then, all policing functions including the maintenance of law and order were being carried out by the Portuguese military The PEI was responsible for carrying out the functions of vigilance and maintenance of general order and comprised the following branches: public security, judicial police, internal and external traffic police, administrative & municipal police and civil identifications. Two years later, appropriate rules governing the police were framed on the lines of the legislation then prevailing in Portugal. In the two-year period of the rules being framed, the PEI functioned under the regulations of O Corpo de Policia e Fiscalizacao da India (CPFI) The Corps of Police and Inspection Services of India that had been set up in 1924 to function as the policing arm of the military. The police services had been placed under the direct supervision of the CPFI command. The PEI was organized into five territorial divisions for efficient performance with each division headed by a commissioner who reported to the commander of the PEI. The PEI thus developed into a supreme law and order establishment, with even officials and agents of organizations such as Customs having to inform it about violations that came to their notice. Not only did the PEI have powers to conduct search and seizure operations, it could also frame proceedings for prosecution and file cases for extraditing criminals. Punishment and rewards were used to enhance efficiency of the police force. Punishment included verbal admonishment, censure, fines, detention upto 130 days and imprisonment for upto 30 days, reversion, compulsory retirement and dismissal. If the punishment was stiff, the rewards were generous: exemption from service upto 12 days, leave with salary upto 30 days and pecuniary benefits upto 30 days' pay. The strength of the PEI continued to grow year after year, keeping in mind the rising need of maintaining law and order in a enlarging society. But the main reason for the growth in strength was the Portuguese regime's need to contain the increasing surge of freedom movement in Goa. Much of the PEI's time would be consumed in trying to contain agitations and other forms of freedom movement, that received a boost by Dr Ram Manohar Lohia's civil disobedience movement launched in 1946 the very same year of PEI's establishment. In time to come, the PEI, which had gained respect for efficient policing of the territory, began to court notoriety for its brutal repression of the freedom movement. --- Source: Goa Police Website http://www.goapolice.org/html/general%20info.htm --- === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP (THOUGHT FOR TODAY)!
Eok burgo zo fokot iskolan xinkon vaddta, to burgo xinkop naslolo (A child educated only at school is an uneducated child) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]24 FEB 2004: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS 24 February 2004 LEOPARD THEORY PROVED WRONG: Is an increase in leopard population and its habit of maintaining territorial dominance responsible for the straying of the wild cats in residential areas? Forest department officials think so and have debunked the theory doing the rounds that disturbance to the leopard habitat is responsible for the recent cases. "Tigers and leopards are territorial animals," says Deputy Conservator of Forests, OV Reddy. The leopard population has grown from 25 as per the 1997 census to 41 in 2002. (GT) FOREST OFFICIALS SEEK EXPLANATION: The Forest department has taken a serious view of the shooting of the leopard at Agassaim and asked the Superintendent of Police, North, to submit a report in the circumstances leading to the killing of the wild cat at Dugrem, Agassaim, on February 20 afternoon. Officials are waiting to talk to one of the victims, Vionisia Paes, who was attacked first and is still recovering at GMC hospital, Bambolim. (GT) LEOPARDS ON THE PROWL: While investigations into the leopard shooting incident are still on, the Forest department is on its toes again, as a leopard has now been spotted in Dramapur, Salcete. However, despite setting up a number of traps, the department has not been able to cage the animal. In the meantime, the department has also stepped up its vigil at Dona Paula where it is rumoured that a leopard is on the prowl at the Taleigao plateau. The department rescued a leopard cub in Canacona three days ago, and shifted it to Bondla. (H) 43 FLOATS PARADE THROUGH VASCO: Thousands of people lined up on the streets in the port town, to witness the Carnival parade on February 23. The late arrival of King Momo by almost an hour delayed the start of the parade. A visibly exhausted King Momo, who led the parade, was accompanied by Queen Momo Sonia Pinto. As many as 43 floats participated in the parade. A liquor company sponsored float had three horses participating in the parade. Though the entire proceedings were telecast live by cable operators, thousands of people lined up the entire route from St Andrew's Church to FL Gomes Road and the Swatantra Path. (H) FLOAT PARADE AT QUEPEM: The Quepem Carnival and Shigmotsav has organised float parade in Quepem on February 24 from 5 pm onwards. (H) BOY KILLED, 4 HURT IN FREAK ACCIDENT: Himanshu Sail (16) of Sangolda died on the spot while four others were injured in a freak accident involving five vehicles at Guirim, Mapusa, on the Mapusa-Panaji highway on February 23 at 1.30 pm. A Toyota Qualis was proceeding towards Panaji followed by a Maruti Van, a Honda Activa scooter and a Hero Honda motorcycle. Himanshu Sail on his Activa tried to overtake both the Maruti and Qualis simultaneously. While doing so, he overlooked a Matiz coming in the opposite direction. His Activa collided head-on with the Matiz killing him on the spot. (GT) ARRESTED IN CHEATING CASE: The Margao town police arrested Maximus Fernandes, a man from Mumbai, in connection with a cheating case. (NT) GOA, FIRST STATE TO LINK RIVERS: Goa takes the credit of being the first State to implement the linking of rivers project, with the inauguration of 'open' type of bhandara across Chapora river in Sal, Bicholim, on February 23. The project will now link Chapora river to Assonora river by a pipeline. The project, which has cost the government Rs.2.40 crore has facilitated the interlinking of Chapora river to Assonora river in the Mhadei basin. The interlinking of Salauli river to Khandepar river has already been completed.Earlier the chief minister inaugurated the "Goa Flora", a floriculture nursery started by Vivek Naik at Sal village. (H) MUSICAL NIGHT MINUS LORNA: The much-hyped Konkani musical nite organised by the Margao Carnival Committee got underway at the Ravindra Bhavan site in Margao on February 23, but minus Lorna. While the committee alleged that Lorna turned down the request to perform in today's programme at the eleventh hour, it could not be ascertained what made the 'Nightingale of Goa ' to back out from the programme. However, the presence of Rita Rose and Nephie Rodrigues along with many stars of Konkani stage did compensate the music lovers, when they regaled the crowd with Goan melodies. (H) GOAN SEAMEN RETURN AFTER GREEK COMPANY GOES BANKRUPT: After a near two-month stay on board the cruise liner "Triton", owned by the Greek company-Royal Olympic Cruises-the 24 Goan seafarers, including a female crew member, have finally returned back home on February 23 afternoon. (H) GOA FILM FESTIVAL FROM 29 NOV: The countdown to International Film Festival Goa 2004 has begun with the Federation of Indian Film Festival having finalised the dates for holding the film festival in Goa-between 29 November and 9 December 2004. With the dates having been confirmed, the Goa Festival will now figure in the world entertainment calendar. (GT) LOOKING OUT FOR A SUITABLE MATCH? Frederick Noronha's Cybermatrimonia
RE: [Goanet]Goa's Electricity Woes --
Nagesh, That was certainly some good inside info on the workings of Goa's electricity department... I believe "Corruption" is certainly a big problem that plagues the public sector in Goa, with the PWD being even more notorious. It seems that the biggest hurdle in improving Goa's electricity infrastructure is the "Corruption" factor. And as you pointed out with all the defective equipment that has been installed, this is a clear indicator that Goa's electric transmission and distribution infrastructure is a highly defective and faulty one, which includes defective and faulty meters etc. Part of the reason for the defective equipment is again attributable to "corruption" where the purchase officer cuts a deal with the supplier and takes a under the table cut in exchange for the defective equipment that the supplier provides. The government has announced plans for underground cabling at the two major cities in Panjim and Margao ... this is a good opportunity to make a start and while doing this underground cabling atleast in these two cities, the transmission and distribution system can be completely overhauled... and as the process slowly migrates to other parts of Goa, eventually the entire infrastructure can be overhauled in "phases" begining with the sanctioned projects in these two cities. Another development is the "Corporatization" or privatization of the electricity department, which has been approved by the CM recently. Cities like Delhi have privatized their electricity utility services and has seen a great improvement in service. Perhaps we can hope for a similar improvement in Goa. If the Electricity service now operates as an "efficient corporation" and free from the bureaucracy! Another question to be asked is who is paying ultimately for the power that is lost in the defective transmission system, including the pilferage ? The voltage fluctuations are again a problem caused by a defective system. It is a serious problem that eventually does need to be fully "fixed" we certainly can't expect to go on this way... as with the growth that occurs in the state, more residential and commercial consumers, the defective and faulty system will end up being a great catastrophe waiting to happen ! Revamping the system, while it being an ardous task is not something which is inconceivable. In the developed countries, which started out with the older generation of the electricity infrastructure, have been able to phase out the old and modernize the infrastructure to keep up with the times... so there is a lot of expertise available in terms of consultancy services in this sector on how to effectively phase out an antiquated electricity infrastructure and phase-in a modernized one. For example, for the IFFI (Film Festival) infrastructure development, the government has retained the consultancy services of a Canadian Firm with Experience at Cannes and French film festivals. In the power sector there are many MNCs that could similarly retained to provide consultancy expertise on how to cost-effectively revamp Goa's electricity infrastructure ... one really good company is the Japanese corporation TMT&D Âhttp://www.tmt-d.com In terms of financial support, Goa could reach out to global resources such as the Asia development bank (ADB) ... some of the northeastern states in India have secured financing from ADB to develop their electricity infrastructure. While the central government has launched huge electricity development projects elsewhere in India, the Goa government has not been able to adequetly "impress" upon the centre the dire needs required in Goa, but instead have been projecting this false image that Goa is trading in surplus power, and hence does not need assistance from the Center to revamp the infrastructure. So this claim about trading in surplus power has only come back to shoot Goa in the foot ! Â-- Brian Antao "Nagesh Bhatcar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Revamping Goa's electricity network will indeed be a huge task to undertake. >Having worked for the Electricity Department in the early 80s, I know of >some >of the problems that the Department had to endure. > >There are a lot of hurdles that will have to be crossed to achieve what >Dr.Antao >has envisaged for Goa. Many competent and talented Engineers are at the >helm, but >the process of sanctioning and implementation is a rather arduous one. >Months used >to go by in obtaining monetary sanctions from the Government. Almost every >file had >to go right up to the Chief Minister's office! > >I think the present Chief Electrical Engineer, T.H.Rao is a very competent >and efficient person. >Then he used to be an Executive Engineer, having just returned from an >overseas stint. > >With respect to manpower and equipment, there are many things that are not >in order. I think that there are more clerical folks than technical! > >Prior to Goa's becoming a State, DGS&D used to be the agenc
[Goanet]Birthdays from 22nd - 25th Feb 2004
Wishing you all a very HAPPY BIRTHDAY on behalf of GoaNetters to 22-Feb Teresa Dsouza Sharjah 25-Feb Ashley FernandesSalcete Goa/Maryland, USA 25-Feb Ms.Haley Fernandes Dubai/ Dubai-UAEN/A Thanks, Vincente. Please do notify if your e-mail address has been changed, for cc'ing B'day wished to your e-mail address. NOTE: Please send your Birthday's details for those who haven't done so far to the following e-mail address([EMAIL PROTECTED]) with subject as Birthday/Birthday details as per below format. Birth Day/Month NameBirth/Current Place _ Get fast, reliable access with MSN 9 Dial-up. Click here for Special Offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Menage a Trois / A Piper,Rats & A Spotted Feline Melinda Powell
Assuming a Piper volunteers,leads the rats across the Mandovi Bridge(not into,since their mission is not yet accomplished) into Davorlim/Margao and we have a "Margao Fest"(or Madgaum or Margoa), what next? Another leopard has been sighted,to add to the menagerie. A menage a trois,perhaps? Au revoir Melinda Powell ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
Jose Colaco mentioned the following in his article yesterday under subject Rat Problem: They do eat rats in TN: Govt tells SC Tuesday, 19 August , 2003, 10:28 The Tamil Nadu Government told the Supreme Court that it was common for labourers in Tiruvarur district to eat 'robust rats' even as it denied that they have been forced to adopt such eating habits due to starvation. Did you know that our Goan KUNBIS eat robust rats (Kolundir)? I know this for a fact because I personally witnessed them eating one. In my article of January 3, I wrote about a group of Kunbis from Assagao who took up a contract at my place to dig water well in the early fifties. Since my house is located at the foot of the hill and as we stored paddy in the house, we were plagued with small and big rats. Our cats did a good job catching small rats indoors but they couldnt handle big rats in the open outdoors more so because they were bigger in size than our cats. So, we set up wooden case traps at night outside the house. We had caught two big rats in the past which I had killed with my gun and buried. We again managed to catch another big rat while Kunbis worked at our place; the rat was so big that it could not turn inside the trap. I had killed the rat with my gun just as Kunbi workers arrived to work at my place. As soon as they saw the rat, they asked: What are you going to do with it? I said: I am going to bury it at which they said: Please dont; we want it. I asked Why? They said: Of course, to eat! So, I asked them: Do you eat rats? They said: Yes, but not small rats only big ones. They then boiled water, cleaned it just as people clean a pig, asked my mother for some spices and feasted on it in the afternoon! Voila!!! Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]The shadow of death over Baina - Part 1
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- -- The shadow of death over Baina - 1 -- by Joaquim Fernandes If you saw Priya in the bazaar, you would never think she was a commercial sex worker for the last five years in the red-light area of Baina, Vasco. She is painfully thin, but on her vulnerably innocent face, you often see a warm, winning smile. She appears much younger than the twenty years she claims to be. Despite her five years in the flesh trade, she has none of that "chakna hai kya" swagger of the filmy Chameli. In her lap, plays her 11-month old daughter - her only child.She herself was the only child of poor parents in the Vijaywadda district of Andhra Pradesh. Priya lost her father when she was very young. She was working as a maid, when at fifteen, an acquaintance promised her a job in Bellary district of Karnataka for a princely salary of Rs 1,000 a month. Instead, she was brought to Baina, raped and prostituted. Her mother died soon after, never knowing what befell her daughter. She says she has neither family, nor home in Andhra Pradesh to go back to. Her home now is in the narrow, smelly and labyrinthine gallis (by-lanes) of Baina, where in one of the hundreds of low, dingy cubicles, she sells loveless sex for a living. Her family is the other sex workers and her friends, the volunteers from organisations like ARZ (Anyay Rahit Zindagi - Life free of Injustice), Positive People and others. Seated in the ARZ-office at Baina, you tell Priya that the state government is considering clearing Baina by April this year. She knows this but is confused of the options left to her. She has a monthly rent of Rs 1,000 to pay for her cubicle and a baby to feed. She also pays Rs 50 per day to the babysitter, whenever her "work" prevents the child being with her. With no education and no skill, she appears resigned to her fate. "If they give me a job, I will work. Or I will go where the others go," she says simply. Champa, another Baina sex worker, has a similar story to tell. She is buxom, not bad-looking and at 22, a mother of three children. Her father was a labourer at the nearby Mormugao Port Trust and she was born in Vasco. At fifteen, Champa lost her heart to a man whose lust she mistook for love. He led her into this "line" and she did not have the mind (akal) to understand the implications. Before long, she was hooked. When they came to know, her broken- hearted parents fled Goa in shame. "I had a younger sister and they feared no one would marry her. I remember them, would like to see them again but they have disowned me. I can't go back," she says. So whenever she has the money, she visits her two elder children daughter (6) and son (5) now studying in a boarding school at Tirupathi. This resulted from the interstate linkages of NGOs. She leaves her third daughter of eight months with a family that has leased one room to her. But this is the "family area" on Baina's southern side and she cannot "work" here. But work, even in the main area, is now drying up. For the last two months, an increased police presence is preventing customers from entering the red-light area. "What will we do, saab?" asks 50-year old Jankibai, her eyes welling up with tears. "There are so many other problems to attend to, why is the government after us?" Jankibai is a gharwali, (brothel-keeper) running the business by employing two girls. These girls are from the Sorpa and Shimoga area of Karnataka, she says. Her own two daughters are respectably married and settled in Bangalore. Her only son, a motorcycle pilot at Baina, has also married. Angry that she will not leave the profession, he has left her and now lives separately in Baina. Jankibai herself came to Vasco as a young woman along with her labourer -husband. But her husband died early and with three kids to feed, she landed at Baina. "I am living here for thirty years now. I voted in the last three elections, I got a ration card and I pay my electricity and other bills. The Chief Minister met us recently. After that, they gave us 10 kg of rice, took our photos and our signatures. We are not educated, we don't know anything. Can we leave our business with 10 kg of rice?" asks Jankibai, more tears spilling easily out of her eyes. You do not know what sympathy the government will show these women. But talking to them, you generally understand that being poor, uneducated and unskilled, most were forced into the profession by traffickers. Many others were driven to it by the pangs of hunger. Now horribly stigmatised, they are trapped in the trade, finding comfort and respect only with their kind. With the l
