Re: [Goanet]Sausages !!
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## > and i'm from salcette, so all iv eaten are salcette sausages..and i will > readily claim that bardez sausages are supreme if i indeed have a chance to > compare so anyone volunteering to send me around 50 salcette sausages n > another 50 bardez sausages so ic an compare :P. > if not, then let this mouth watering topic coem to an end. it is not good to > tempt those on diets, or those who cannot avail fo sausages so easily > > Lotsa luv > Marjorie Carvalho > Me thinks, a good business opportunity awaits goans here:-) How about some importing to UAE?? The tread gets tastier by the day!! How about a nice recipe to top the discussion on the mouth watering palate!! hAVE a nICE dAY!! Seb
[Goanet]14 OCT 2004: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS Oct 14, 2004 THOUGHT FOR THE DAY: "Jivitan tin vostu assat jeo kednanch portun sodhun kaddunk zainant - uloilelim utram, bolandlolo vell ani kikont keleleo sondheo. Aiz teo chukoinaka. Jivit khoxen sar!" (In life there are three things that can never be retrieved - words spoken, time spent and opportunities neglected. Don't miss them today. Enjoy life!) "domnic fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GOACOM VIDEO NEWS: Video Clip from Goa on the first Session of HERITAGE JAZZ YATRA organised by Armando Gonsalves of Trancemedia at Rebelo Mansion at Betalbatim on October 10, 2004, at http://www.goacom.com/news Clips_Heritage_Jazz Yatra_1: POLLING IN POINGUINIM PEACEFUL: An estimated 77.80 per cent voting of the total 14,690 electorate on Wednesday (13 October) exercised their franchise in the by-elections to Poinguinim constituency when polling ended at 5 pm. A total of 11,425 voters cast their votes of which 5625 were men and 5800 were women, who sealed the fate of BJP candidate Isidore Fernandes and Congress nominee Jagdish Acharya in the crucial by-election. A total of 21 Electronic Voting Machines were installed. (GT) VILLAGERS WALK 24 KMS TO CAST VOTE: While many voters were forcefully transported to cast their votes in several wards of Poinguinim, the people of Keri willingly walked through the hilly terrain for nearly two hours (a distance of 24 km) to cast their vote at the government primary school at Yedda in Cotigao village. (NT) COUNTING ON OCT 16: Counting of votes cast in Wednesday's bye-election will be taken up on October 16 at 8 am. The seal of the strongroom of Multipurpose School Complex, Borda, Margao, where the electronic voting machines will be housed from Wednesday night will be opened at 7.30 am. (H) MAN COMMITS SUICIDE AT CAMPAL: Fifty-year-old Ignatius Fernandes, committed suicide by hanging himself from a tree near the swimming pool at Campal in the wee hours of October 13. (NT) MOTORCYCLE BURNT: A motorcycle, belonging to Mr Godwin Jose Valerio D'Silva, was badly burnt on October 11 night at Alto Guimaraes, Panaji, near Goa Bench of Bombay High Court. (NT) AIRFARE TO LONDON HALVED: You could now fly to England at an unbelievable rate of about Rs.15,000. Thanks to the Central government's Open Sky Policy, about 300 passengers will fly from Goa to London on December 22 for a 15-day trip on this jaw-dropping return fare. At present, a regular India-London return tickets costs about Rs.29,000. "This winter Goa and Kerala will be the best places to take a flight to the UK and Europe. Around a thousand tickets will be available every week for as low as Rs.15,000", a source from the tourism industry was quoted as saying in the national press. (H) NO PLANS, NO PUNCH, NO PUNCH LINE: On October 15, the Tourism department will sit back and say, "The first chartered flight has landed." But they would do well to add, "But Goa Tourism has been grounded." In a perfect example of how not to manage tourism in a State, which gets its bounty from it, Goa Tourism has reached the height of under preparedness. There is no full-fledged director, shack licenses have not been issued, compulsory training for beach guards has not even started, there is no marketing agency and needless to add, there is nobody in visible control. While Tourism Minister Matanhy Saldanha recently promised sweeping changes in the way his department approaches the season, there is little indication that his promises will materialize in time. (GT) NABBED FOR HARASSING TOURISTS: Colva police arrested seven Lamani women on Wednesday for allegedly harassing tourists at Cavelossim beach. Lamanis pestering tourists into buying their wares is not so uncommon on Goan beaches. (H) MERCEDES TAXI: For the up market tourists, who wish to spice up their sizzling Goa holiday, a hot set of wheels is the latest on offer. For those who are more than happy to shell out about Rs.10,000 per day, a Mercedes luxury taxi could now see them through the national highways, besides the city and village roads in the State. Mercedez-Benz dealer Millennium Motors Pvt Ltd will launch the Mercedes Taxi in Goa on October 23. (H) EXIT(Z) CLOCKWORK ORANGE: The dark, hard eyes that once stared back at you from "A Clockwork Orange" are gone. Malcolm McDowell's blue eyes are softer now and even show fatherly affection when co-star Perizaad Zorbain is in the room. McDowell is presently in Goa filming for the movie "Exitz", a futuristic movie with a script written by Farooq Dhondy. He plays the role of a gaming magnate who falls in love with an Indian beauty que
[Goanet]Ambrose's home away from home
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Ambrose's home away from home By: A Mid Day Correspondent October 14, 2004 http://web.mid-day.com/sports/local/2004/october/94694.htm I could have opted for Goa and was short-listed in the GFA squad, but I wanted to play for Mumbai, so I came here,” said Alex Ambrose, who will be spearheading Maharashtra’s attack in the Santosh Trophy that kicks off in Delhi today. Representing your state or country always evokes greatest passion among sportspersons. Being his first senior National for his home state, it is extra special for Ambrose. Though born and brought up in Dadar, Alex has played all his professional football in Goa. “It’s a special moment for me and am very keen to do well. I am looking forward to putting up a good show and get a good result for the team. “My friends and family are happy and excited about me playing for Maharashtra, though when it comes to playing professional football, Goa is a better place to be,” said Ambrose, who started his career with Shivaji Park-based football club Dadar XI. He was later selected in the Tata Football Academy and on passing out from there was offered a contract by one of India’s top clubs, Salgaocar. “We were a bit weak in that area (forwardline), but with Alex in the team we are now balanced in all departments. He has speed and is very good in dead-ball situations,” observed coach Bimal Ghosh. Ambrose, who is playing for Goa’s Vasco SC this season, is the only outstation player in the Maharashtra team, which has majority of the players from Mumbai-based clubs Air-India and Mahindra United. But forming an understanding with the other players will not be a problem, says Ambrose. After all, he has played with most of the guys at the junior level. “That should be no problem.” Ambrose was the captain of the Maharashtra state junior team in 1997, which had reached the quarter-final stage in the Junior Nationals after a gap of nearly 13 years. He cherises those memories: “We did well in the quarter-final league as well, but lost out on a semi-final berth to Bengal on goal average.” Ambrose will need to cross the Bengal hurdle with the senior team as well, which Maharashtra is slated to meet in the quarter-final league. Last year’s semi-finalist Services are the third team in the group, and only one team will advance. “It is going to be close, but we have a good team and are confident of faring well,” said Ambrose Forwarded by Eddie Verdes www.goa-world.com/kantaram
[Goanet]Dabolim "Imperialism" -- Response to Dr J. Colaco
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dr J. Colaco wrote on Oct 13: I feel that this observation confirms the need for a functional rather than geopolitical approach to the Dabolim airport problem. What functional arguments, if any, are the Indian Navy commanders using? Are these being countered by thoughtful Goan citizens? What alternatives (such as Seabird) are available? Let us have a discussion along these lines instead of raking up undiscussable topics like territorial conquests and hypothetical secessions and economic embargoes (of Cuba) etc. The latter only plays into the hands of the authorities and they are able to continue with the status quo ad infinitum.
[Goanet]Caste... and all that
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Why not discuss the issue of caste (as it pertains to Goa) on Goanet? I think that George's presumption that a discussion on this subject would be unwelcome is not wholly correct. Permit me to begin with a thesis that could provoke discussion. My view is that (i) the arrogance of the 'upper' castes together with a strong sense of being discriminated against by the 'lower' castes combines together to block the feeling of oneness so essential to any forward-looking society and (ii) caste has dominated Catholic Goan society for much of the 20th century, and is set to dominate us for some more time to come. It also allows us to turn a blind-eye to issues like corruption, communalism, cronyism, reckless governmental spending, bloating-up an already over-bloated bureaucracy, etc... depending on who is responsible for this. Would you agree? FN Frederick Noronha (FN)Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndia Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks http://fn.swiki.net http://www.ryze.com/go/fredericknoronha http://fn-floss.notlong.com Difficulties to send email across? Write to fredericknoronha at vsnl.net
[Goanet]Will the prospective Anti-Superstition Act be Anti-Religious?"
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## -- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ --- --- Discussion on Anti-Superstition Act on Satruday 23rd October --- The Goa Andhashraddha Nirmulan Samiti (Association for Eradication of Superstitions) will organise a seminar cum open discussion on the topic : "is it True that the Prospective Anti-Superstition Act would be Anti-Religious?" on Saturday October 23rd at 3.00 p.m at Shikshak Sadan, Ponda. Organisations such as Sanatan Bharatiya Sanskruti Sanstha, RSD, Hindu Janajagruti Samiti, Samata Andolan and the VHP and RSS will particpate in the seminar which will be presided over by Adv. Amrut Kansar. -- HERALD 14/10/04 page 4 -- === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy ===
[Goanet]Record set in Poinguinim
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## From: "Joel D'Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet]14 OCT 2004: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:45:29 +0530 VILLAGERS WALK 24 KMS TO CAST VOTE: While many voters were forcefully transported to cast their votes in several wards of Poinguinim, the people of Keri willingly walked through the hilly terrain for nearly two hours (a distance of 24 km) to cast their vote at the government primary school at Yedda in Cotigao village. (NT) Quite a hiking record... Considering that the US army, when it marches at all, covers three miles (4 998 kms) an hour, covering 24 km in two hours, the Kerikars did very well, indeed! Unless fed anabola steroids by BJP/Cong, the IOC talent-hunters should look there for prospective walking-events' material. Alfred, forever trying to be helpful to national --not to be confused with nationalist-- causes _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]All about sausages...!
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Thank you all at Goanet, I now have a slight clue on where to purchase my next quota of sausages from, (wink) Now before someone starts getting further ideas like "Sausage 2004 dance" or "Goan Cheuris Pao Association ", I'm out of here. (Though I wouldn't mind participating in the All Goa Sausage tasting contest) This topic sure seems to be getting spicier than the sausage itself. Will be back again next time with maybe another spicy topic to chew on, Till next time, Mog asumdi, elton
Re: [Goanet]Anjediva: VHP/Bajrang Dal
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Nice way to have your foot in every place. The true color of these people have started to show in goa aswell. Hope the prayers take the rightfull place. The devi must be wondering why the sudden change in goan minds. or should i say non-goans?? Yes Constantino... A way to create communal conflict. Seb > > Is there any historical proof of the Aryadurga Devi temple in Anjediva? Any > present remains? > Over the last centuries have there been any Hindu rituals/pujas on the > island? Are Hindu people in Goa or in surrouding areas of Anjediva/Karwar > religiously attached i any way to the place? > If not, this puja should not be allowed by the Navy or any other authority, > as it is merely a political activity, with the additional objective of > creating communal conflict. > > Constantino Goa > > PUJA AT ANJEDIVA ISLAND: Bajrang Dal activists have announced a puja on the > occasion of Dussehra at Anjediva Island on 21 October 2004. VHP and Bajrang > Dal leaders said there was an Aryadurga Devi temple prior to the arrival of > the Portuguese who destroyed it.VHP and Bajrang Dal activists said they also > had a right to worship, as the minority community that has a church there on > the island. (GT)
Re: [Goanet]Caste... and all that
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why not discuss the issue of caste (as it pertains to Goa) on Goanet? . My view is that (i) the arrogance of the 'upper' castes together with a strong sense of being discriminated against by the 'lower' castes combines together to block the feeling of oneness so essential to any forward-looking society and (ii) caste has dominated Catholic Goan society for much of the 20th century, and is set to dominate us for some more time to come. Would you agree? FN Comment: DO things really move on caste lines in this day & age? IF YES, could someone/anyone give a LIST OF FAMILY SURNAMES ON CAST BASIS. e.g. Surname Cast ... . ..... ..... victor ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Goans in East Africa
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## I have to agree with Rui Collaco's post that the attitude to 'coloured' people or to 'visible professional minorities', has been different between Anglo-Saxons and those of Iberian people, especially in the case of the educated Portuguese. When on holiday in Portugal and especially when attending conferences there, I have been struck by the warm reception I have inevitably received from the indigenous Portuguese as an Irmao or brother. This is clearly, because of my Portuguese name and knowledge of my Goan origins. In four decades, a welcome as a brother has never happened to me in the UK and is unlikely ever to happen. I put this to a significant cultural difference between the way Anglo-Saxons invariably see me as the eternal foreigner, however educated, sophisticated or long resident in the UK., even though there is a growing awareness of the unsupportable former colonial position on race with the advent of simple contact, cuisine and even anti-racist education. In contrast, the educated indigenous Portuguese have invariably seen me as Portuguese, regardless of my cordial insistence that I am Indian! One just can't win!! The above situation is also to be found historically in the way the Portuguese saw their black slaves compared to the way Anglo-Saxons saw such black slaves in mainland America. The process of manumission, for example, was significantly different between the two peoples. I have no firm knowledge about racism, prejudice and discrimination in Portugal today but I feel certain that some must exist. Perhaps, a Goanetter could throw some light on this matter in an informed/dispassionate way. Cornel - Original Message - From: "Rui Collaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:27 AM
[Goanet]CGN: Reporting omission of OUR LADY OF GOOD HEALTH VAILANKANNI
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## The Director/Administrator, WEBMASTER org http://www.apparitions.org/ Stockholm, 2004-10-14 Sir/Madam, On behalf of the Catholic Goans' Association, CGN, I wish to draw your attention to a very significant omission in your otherwise excellent and extensive list of Aparitions of Jesus and Mary, over the centuries, in different parts of the world. I refer to OUR LADY OF GOOD HEALTH VAILANKANNI, Tamilnadu,(south India) India. Please consult 'google' for all relevant details. The apparitions carry Vatican sanction and the place of worship in shrine is, perhaps, the largest venue of Christian pilgrimage in Asia, outside of the Holy Land. The worshippers comprise all faiths in India. We would be very much obliged if the omission be examined and included in your prestigious website. Yours in Jesus and Mary, Alfred de Tavares, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maltesholmsvagen 83, SE-165 55 Sweden- Tel: 0046 8 759 6214 _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/
[Goanet]Dabolim Imperialism 2.
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## In response to this from me on Oct 13: What however is real is the meaningless Indian naval dadagiri when it comes to Dabolim ... The simple fact of the matter is that IF the Indian navy commanders ... were NOT so thick headed and inflexible ... this topic would have been a non-starter (emphases in original) Philip Thomas wrote Thu Oct 14 02:10:38 200 #1. I feel that this observation confirms the need for a functional rather than geopolitical approach to the Dabolim airport problem. #2. What functional arguments, if any, are the Indian Navy commanders using? Are these being countered by thoughtful Goan citizens? What alternatives (such as Seabird) are available? #3. Let us have a discussion along these lines instead of raking up undiscussable topics like territorial conquests and hypothetical secessions and economic embargoes (of Cuba) etc. The latter only plays into the hands of the authorities and they are able to continue with the status quo ad infinitum. JC's response Oct 14, 2004 Dear Phillip, wrt #1. Please take the time and opportunity to inform yourself about the contents of the Churchill Alemao letter to the Centre http://www.colaco.net/1/ChurchillDabolimLetterNavy.htm Please note too that Mr. Alemao writes thus < There have been problems faced by the Airport Authority of India in the civil operations of aircrafts at Dabolim Airport.> Then, please reassess the wording of your previous posting on the matter wrt Churchill Alemao & the Airport Authority of India. wrt #2. Please note that Indian Navy commanders in Goa (except the present one) have consistently taken the position that Might is Right. No need for discussion. wrt #3. I will skip the Cuba example. Goa is 100% part of India. India is a democracy. It is my belief that in a democracy "authorities" CANNOT "continue with the status quo ad infinitum" unless the people afford them that right. If the so called "authorities" do so - it ceases to be a democracy. THAT incidentaly is how dictatorships start. just my view.. I'll await yours. cheers jc _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/
[Goanet]EVENT: Installation art, the migrant worker Oct 15
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## EVENT: FELICITATING THE MIGRANT LABOUR Artist Dr Subodh Kerkar will do an installation in honor of women from Karnataka, who visit Goa during the harvesting season. Hundreds of these women migrate to Goa to find work in the fields. These women wear traditional sarees called Irkali. The artist, Subodh Kerkar will do an installation with fifty of these sarees hanging from palm trees on to the fields. The installation will take place in the fields next to Saligao Church on the 15th of October 2004. The installation will remain open to the public from 6:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Through the installation, Subodh Kerkar wants to honor these women for their labour in Goan fields. He is also trying to draw the attention of the authorities to the problems faced by migrant labour, especially women, in Goa. CONTACT DETAILS: Kerkar Art Complex Gaurawado, Calangute, Goa 403516. Tel: 2276017 Fax: 2276509 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.subodhkerkar.com Frederick Noronha 784 Near Convent, Sonarbhat SALIGAO GOA India Freelance Journalist TEL: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks fred at bytesforall.org http://www.bytesforall.org
[Goanet]Quoting Eddie Fernandes quoting Goanet ;-)
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## >From the latest GoanVoiceUK newsletter. http://www.goanvoice.org.uk Thanks Eddie! FN -- GOANET: SOME HIGHLIGHTS This is a new section. Please send your comments about it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] There have been fascinating discussions recently on GoaNet. Havovy (Desmond) Fernandes quoted extracts from his acquisition, for a few pence, of a treasure-trove of old books on East Africa from a hospice car boot sale in South London. The extracts have been followed up by other readers with a lively discussion on the (lion) Maneaters of Tsavo and the early phase of the construction of the railway from Mombasa to Nairobi. Fred Noronha posted his latest list of Cybermatrimonials on 10 Oct. It clearly has much value across the globe and it is hoped that it will be expanded further. Tony Barros opened the floodgates on the Goans of East Africa with a very riveting account of some of the contributions of the Tanzania Goans. Cornel DaCosta added to it re the East African Goan legacy in dance music and jazz of the 1950s and 1960s. Several new names appeared in the follow-up postings, hopefully, to encourage someone to produce a book, stimulated by Tony, on this fascinating by-gone era. Gabe Menezes elaborated on some of the early East African Goans and provided fascinating snippets of information, which hopefully, will also be followed up by ethnographic researchers interested in the historical record of so many 'lesser mortals' who helped to build East Africa in its early period. Mervyn Lobo was able to provide helpful current locations of some of the people mentioned in Tony's and Cornel's postings on significant East African Goans. Cecil Pinto forwarded an article by Ethel DCosta in which she lashed out at the Goa Police authorities for seeking to curb the independence of the Press. This prompted good responses from Goans from Goa and the Goan Diaspora. Dominic Fernandes started a discussion on the best place in Goa to buy Goa sausages. Inevitably, this led to counter claims with information about other outlets for quality Goa sausages. For a birds eye view of the discussions click here. http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-October/author.html#start You can also search the archive by date or subject. Frederick Noronha 784 Near Convent, Sonarbhat SALIGAO GOA India Freelance Journalist TEL: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks fred at bytesforall.org http://www.bytesforall.org
Re: [Goanet]Goans in East Africa
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## . > When on holiday in Portugal and especially when > attending conferences there, > I have been struck by the warm reception I have > inevitably received from the > indigenous Portuguese as an Irmao or brother. This > is clearly, because of my > Portuguese name and knowledge of my Goan origins. In > four decades, a welcome > as a brother has never happened to me in the UK and > is unlikely ever to > happen. Prof. Cornel irmão, Portugal is not perfect. In the illiterate regions (thanks to Salazar)of Portugal say for example the autonomous islands where the populace do not have a clue of Portugals past, there are pockets of racism. But this is nothing compared to what you have highlighted in your report. (UK). B. Colaço ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Caste... and all that
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Gilbert Lawrence responds: How about another theory on the issue of discussion on caste? (iii) A topic for those who have nothing better to do or discuss! :=)) Regards Frederick Noronha: Why not discuss the issue of caste (as it pertains to Goa) on Goanet? I think that George's presumption that a discussion on this subject would be unwelcome is not wholly correct. Permit me to begin with a thesis that could provoke discussion. My view is that (i) the arrogance of the 'upper' castes together with a strong sense of being discriminated against by the 'lower' castes combines together to block the feeling of oneness so essential to any forward-looking society and (ii) caste has dominated Catholic Goan society for much of the 20th century, and is set to dominate us for some more time to come. It also allows us to turn a blind-eye to issues like corruption, communalism, cronyism, reckless governmental spending, bloating-up an already over-bloated bureaucracy, etc... depending on who is responsible for this. Would you agree? FN
Re: [Goanet]Caste... and all that
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Victor, Caste is endemic in Goa among the Christian Goans. It takes so many subtle forms that a simple list of names would not suffice. In respect of caste, modernity in Goa hasn't yet started!! I hope some key knowledgeable people in Goa, whom I know, will enter the debate. Cornel - Original Message - From: "v. fernandez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:20 PM
[Goanet]Xavier's Principal bereaved.
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Prazilia Fernandes[ nee da Silva], wife of Principal Newman Fernandes of St.Xavier's College-Mapusa and Founder-Principal of Rosary College-Navelim, left this world on 13 October after a brief illness--Falciparum malaria. Those whom God loves die young. Prazilia was just a whisker beyond her 47th birthday. Her three children, Elaine [ Hotel Management], Luisito[ Std.XI,St.Xavier's HSS] and Bernardo[ Std.IX, St.Britto HS], are still students. The sudden demise of their mother in the prime of her life will, doubtlessly, be a great loss to them. Generations of students at St.Xavier's College since the 1970s know Newman either as the helpful man in the library, as a lecturer or as a Principal. The soft spoken, unobtrusive Prazilia is known to fewer people but those who know her will remember her endearing qualities. She worked for Aero Mundial-Panaji of the V.M.Salgaocar Group. The last journey of Prazilia to Bom Jesus Church, Nachinola-Bardez, will start from her residence at 4 P.M. on Saturday 16 October,2004. May her soul rest in peace. May her bereaved family have the fortitude to continue life in her absence. Miguel Braganza
[Goanet]PLANT UTSAV 2004
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## The 7th annual PLANT UTSAV will be held at Mapusa from 25 to 28 November by the Botanical Society of Goa in association with the Mapusa Municipal Council. The Directorate of Agriculture-Goa, Indian Council for Agricultural Research-Goa Complex, Dept. of Science ,Technology & Environment, World wide Fund for Nature-Goa and other agencies are expected to participate. Nurserymen,florists and garden input agencies from Goa and other states will have stalls for display and sale of plants,equipment and tools. There will be competitions in potted plants, vegetable carving, flower arrangements and plant quiz open to the public. No competiton fee and no entry fee. For details contact A.J. Gomes 2448775, Dr.H.Y.Karapurkar 2225549 , Dr.K.G.Hiremath 2464664 or Miguel 9822982676 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Viva Goa. Miguel
[Goanet]VANILLA
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## TIME TO PLANT VANILLA On 14 October it was Fr.Inacio Almeida's 61st birthday. It was also the day to review the status of Vanilla in Goa. Afterall, on his 60th birthday, Fr.Almeida had publically dedicated the rest of his life to vanilla in the memory of Astronaut Kalpana Chawla. His message was " The scope for horizontal expansion of agriculture is exhausted. We now need to look at the vertical plane...and look towards the sky." On his 60th birthday the prices of vanilla beans had gone through the roof [Rs.8,000/- per kilo green pods,Rs.32,000/- per kilo cured beans]. The story on his 61st birthday was not much different from Kalpana Chawla's space shuttle...the prices have crached to Rs.150/- per kilo of green pods!! It is this disaster that gives us a reason to hope. Fr. Almeida is just back from a study tour of Madagascar, the flavour capital for vanilla. Says he, "Their cultivation practices are primitive compared to those we practice in India. We definitely have an advantage over them if we maintain quality standards." While he learnt their practices, he showed them photos of Ashok Kumar's shadenet house cultivation of vanilla and his nursery . There was a farmer to farmer exchange. He has brought their cultivation manual, which is in French and Creole. It is also illustrated and hence easy to understand even if one is illiterate. Their pod labelling technique is one thing we can adopt. The price of one metre long, rooted Vanilla cutting with Mr. Ashok Kumar in Bangalore is currently Rs.20/-[ down from Rs.120/- each same time last year]. The prices in Sirsi-Kumta area have also come down to similarr levels because of the poor interest in vanilla as a result of the price crash. As in the stock market, this is the best time to buy. Says Ashok Kumar[ a fellow alumni from University of Agricultural Sciences-Bangalore, though a good one and half decade junior and a few crores richer], " There is no need to go for 3 metre vine cuttings. Plant 1 metre or even 2-node cuttings of vanilla vine now. The price of vanilla will go up once India sets up quality standards that even Madagascar will not be able to match. In four year's time you could be a millionaire." A successful farmer, Ashok Kumar has a simple formula for financial success. "Choose a basket of four or five crops with a potential to generate on an average about Rs.1 lakh per acre over a ten year period. Invest in these crops. Work hard. Treat it like a business. Change the cropping pattern as dictated by the market. There is no way you can be a loser." Ashok Kumar has grown gladioli, coconut and arecanut in Bangalore and Mangalore before stepping into covered cultivation of vanilla. This year he has given up gladioli and is going in for a dairy to generate quality cowdung and urine for making his vanilla totally organic. Milk will be a by-product of his backward intergration of business. He has donated 45,000 gladioli bulbs to Fr.Almeida. For those who have arecanut or coconut plantations, the time to plant vanilla vines is NOW. Prices are at the rock bottom and are likely to rise as the market for vanilla shows upward trend during the harvest season that has just begun. This is the good news on Fr.Almeida's 61st birthday. As always, conditions applyMarket fluctuations are part of the farmer's daily bread. But there is reason for hope. Viva Goa. Miguel Braganza
[Goanet]PLUS tabloids
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear Netters, The second issue Vasco Plus has been distributed during the last two days and has received tremendous response from Vascokars. It features the patron from Patrong-Vasco, the one and only Rene Barreto , on page one. Maria Francisca Costa e Vaz...the flavour of KARMA...adorns page ten. The Special children and their school feature on page2 while Daniel F.de Souza takes a breathtaking "View from the Breakwater" on page5. If thinking about career courses is fraying your nerves to bits, you can check out BITS-Goa on page 8 below an edit dedicated to the people who make Vasco tick. On page 9 ,one can be inspired by the grand man of Vasco ,Vasant Subrai Joshi aka "Anna", who is 84 and not out. The North Goa Plus with Alexyz splashed across the cover and the Margao Plus with the Don Bosco's Craft Institute-Loutolim will be with you by this wekend. If you live in Goa and do not get to see a copy, call 9822102909 and complain...gently. In the meanwhile have a peek preview. DROP- IN: DROP-OUTS WELCOME AT DB CRAFTS INSTITUTE The Don Bosco's Craft Institute in Loutolim, is a place such drop-outs can drop in to learn life supporting skills. It offers low-cost courses in (i) plumbing (ii) auto-mechanic, with auto-electrician training (iii) carpentary and wood-working (iv) welding andfabrication (v) electricity and domestic appliance maintenance and (vi) home nursing[ for girls].There is also a computer training facility for women, which will teach them word processing, spreadsheets and Internet/email. The basic skills needed in an office.To keep the system flexible, admission is open throughout the year with Fr Michael (a technically-trained priest)as the head of the institute. Says Fr Michael "What the institute is doing is to help "drop-outs" in the state to find a career that would help them stand on their own two feet." Fees are a reasonable Rs 75 per month, plus Rs 500 deposit(refundable). "Whatever is free is not appreciated," said Michael D'Costa, explaining why fees were being charged.These courses are targeted at so-called "school drop-outs" and the underpriviledged. So, no qualification is needed to attend. The Crafts Institute propagates a very strong work culture here. Obviously, still many potential students are not aware of this place. " We are have facilities to accomodate upto 7 boys at a time. " he says. Perhaps families nearby could chip in to accommodate some more students. Elderly persons could get the company and assistance around the house from such students, specially trainee nurses or electricians, who they accomodate in their homes.The institute could easily accomodate upto 120 students, around 20 in each course. As of now, it makes do with just40-50. For further information visit the website www.donboscoloutolim.org or email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE CHANGING FACE OF THE WRITTEN WORD Come October and Ethel da Costa set a new beat for the Goan Youth or ,rather , for the Young India, i.e. Tarun Bharat. The exclusively Marathi newspaper, run by Kiran Thakur and Ashok Dhond, suddenly had an English magazine in its Sunday edition. Entitled "Groove", the magazine hopes to get the younger readers into the youthful groove of haute couture and cool company. The oHeraldo is a good example of tenacity in building up readership and circulation. Here was an English language newspaper furthering the cause of Konkani, a language that its Editor did not even understand. It did not dish out news dispassionately : it did the job passionately. The Gomantak Times is now pulling a leaf from the memoires of oHeraldo. After the mainstream newspapers came the era of "Free sheeters". Just imagine an user-driven economy in which the user has to only pay attention; absolutely nothing else! There is no fine print to this Free Offer. The offer does not read "DO NOT PAY ANYTHING FOR IT now." nor "Nothing FREE". The reader obtains a copy of the free sheeter ABSOLUTELY FREE of any financial consideration, present or future. There is also a greater FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION in a free sheeter since the publication is not tied to the apron strings of a business house or interest group with vested interests. This is possible only because of the multifaceted funding base that finances the free sheeter and, often, the dedication of the editorial team. A free-sheeter does not have to toe a line that many of its bigger cousins make their way of life. The Goanet [EMAIL PROTECTED] is perhaps the the link used by the largest number of Goans, in Goa and abroad. Ten years old this year, this Net forum keeps Goa
[Goanet]Rui Collaco's posting on Goan achievers in Portugal
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Glad to hear that so many Goans achieved so much in Portugal. This was probably a testament to the Portuguese people and the Portuguese government which was not as color conscious and racist as the British were particularly in the colonial days. Tony Barros's reference to the achievements of Dr. Paes is due to his having lived in British East Africa where Goans while highly regarded, were still kept in place by the British. During Colonial days in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, there was a hospital known as the European Hospital, later re-named Ocean Road Hospital, and another hospital called the Sewa Haji Hospital. The European hospital catered to Europeans and the Sewa Haji Hospital was for Asians and Africans. However, there was a special Goan ward at the European hospital. The birth certificate of those of us born in Dar es Salaam showed the place of birth as at the European Hospital. Clearly the European Hospital had better facilities as this was the era of racism and segregation. Did the Portuguese Government because of its enlightened policies push the British Government for this arrangement for all its citizens, irrespective of race ?
Re: [Goanet]Goan Cardinal in Fatima
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## - Original Message - From: Alfred de Tavares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 9:36 PM Subject: RE: [Goanet]Goan Cardinal in Fatima > Dear Fernando, > > It was Jose, Cardinal Cordeiro, more popularly known as Joseph. I have had > the priviledge > of meeting him twice. > > Hailed from Menezes-vaddo, Ucassaim. Was runner up in the Papal conclave, > that chose > Pope John Paul ll as the Pontiff, receiving three votes. > > The village seems episcopally inundated. > > Cardinal Cordeiro's nextdoor neighbour and name sake, Joe Coutts, is, I > believe, > after Archbishop Trinidad's demise, one of the seniormost and reprtedly > slated for the > Pakistan's next red hat. > > And Joe's first cousin, also Coutts, Pomburpa has been ordained bishop, > since 5-6 > years. Auxilliary in Delhi? > Dear Alfred, According the Directory of the Archdiocese of Goa and Daman, Joseph Cardinal Cordeiro was from Salvador do Mundo and Mgr. Joseph Coutts, yes, from Ucassaim. - You are right about the latter's cousin from Pomburpa. His name is Sunil and he is Auxiliary Bishop of Delhi. Jorge
[Goanet]Caste........... and all that !
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Regarding Fred Noronha posting on this subject Clearly to squelch all our prejudices, we must discuss this subject. We must admit our prejudices, and resolve to put them behind us. I prefer to answer any questions adressed to me about this subject with what my friend Cecil said: I have no Caste, I am a Catholic. Judging from the matrimonial ads in Goan newspapers Caste is still a major issue even among Catholics. Among my contemporaries this is not an issue, or at least never a subject of discussion. I dont know what caste any of my friends are, and I dont care, and neither do they. Among Catholics at least there should be no castes. When a Hindu becomes a Moslem, the person no longer has a caste. Why did the Catholicism allow the caste system to continue ? Many of us have migrated to the far corners of the world, and the further away we are from our ancestral homeland, the less of an issue it becomes. But judging from occasional references on this forum, there are a lot of people harboring resentments. So let us bring the subject up into the open and dissect it once for all. I dont know if baring our souls will be therapeuitic and help the healing process or exacerbate the situation. However it is a risk worth taking.
[Goanet]Star-Ledger article on Goans in NJ
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Hi, I am writing a feature article on the diversity of the Indian community in New Jersey and was hoping to speak with someone living here who is from Goa. Would you be able to put my in touch with someone? I would need to speak with him/her next week. Thanks very much, Christine Baird Christine V. Baird The Star-Ledger 1 Star-Ledger Plaza Newark, N.J. 07102 973-392-1785 [EMAIL PROTECTED] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, purge it and do not disseminate or copy it.
[Goanet]caste ..........and all that
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## vivian d!souza asks: why did the catholicism allow the caste system to continue ? elementary dear vivian, let the archbishop of goa reply to your question. antonio _ Seized by wanderlust? Have the best vacation ever. http://www.msn.co.in/Travel/ Team up with MSN Travel!
Re: [Goanet]Caste... and all that
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Oct 15 01:23:02 2004 DO things really move on caste lines in this day & age? IF YES, could someone/anyone give a LIST OF FAMILY SURNAMES ON CAST BASIS. e.g. Surname Cast ... . ..... ..... victor Unlike in the case of Hindu surnames (some), in the Catholic variant of casteism there is no clear one-to-one correspondence between surnames and caste. It is possible to trace such connections, however, when a surname is linked to a particular village. (Hence, the which-village-are-you-from question can hide more than just a simple interest in geography!) On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, cornel wrote: Victor, Caste is endemic in Goa among the Christian Goans. It takes so many subtle forms that a simple list of names would not suffice. In respect of caste, modernity in Goa hasn't yet started!! I hope some key knowledgeable people in Goa, whom I know, will enter the debate. Cornel Cornel, without offence to you personally, I can trace a condescending tone in the above statement -- much like the attitude of casteism ;-) Caste in Goa is being transformed, shaped and re-shaped. It's probably not fair to blame *only* Catholics in Goa (and not their diasporic cousins) for caste-biases and bigotry. Give us a little time and we'll start quickly catching-up with you guys and evolving ;-) Instead of just judging a person on the basis of accidents of birth, we'll switch to discriminators like class, racial origins, place-of-residence and what not. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Oct 15 01:38:06 2004 Clearly to squelch all our prejudices, we must discuss this subject. We must admit our prejudices, and resolve to put them behind us. I prefer to answer any questions adressed to me about this subject with what my friend Cecil said: > I have no Caste, I am a Catholic. You can't duck the issue so easily. My friend and senior journalist colleague P Sainath (who happens to be the grand-son of former Indian vice-president V V Giri... and I'm not name-dropping here, it's just interesting to see how some can rise above what should have been their biases) once put it across very nicely to me, while we were travelling in a ferry between Siolim and Chopdem. "Those born in the so-called 'upper' castes can pretend that caste doesn't exist. But if anyone was born as a Dalit (the worst off) he would be hit by the reality of caste before he was four years old," Sainath said. Judging from the matrimonial ads in Goan newspapers Caste is still a major issue even among Catholics. True. Caste does come up strongest at the time of marriage. We've however been able to run the GOANET-CYBERMATRIMONIALS for a year or two now, without a single mention of caste! Among my contemporaries this is not an issue, or at least never a subject of discussion. I dont know what caste any of my friends are, and I dont care, and neither do they. To some extent, migration takes some of the sting out of the caste system. That's why Ambedkar (the brilliantly-educated Dalit leader) advocated that Dalits migrate out of their villages, and into their cities. When I went to Solapur once to cover an election for the Deccan Herald, the most educated man who spoke fluent English was a Dalit! That's also the reason why casteism in Bardez is a little less intense that in some other parts of Goa. But it's not absent all the same. People may not talk about it, but it's there, and also surfaces during elections. Anyway, any retired well-educated gentleman coming in from the US would be seen as belonging to a 'caste' worthy of being courted, so you wouldn't feel it ;-) Among Catholics at least there should be no castes. When a Hindu becomes a Moslem, the person no longer has a caste. Why did the Catholicism allow the caste system to continue? Don't mix up the two -- religious/ritual sanction for caste, and social sanction for caste. Some historians suggest that the Portuguese found the caste system close to their three-tier system of feudal times. (The word 'caste' comes from the Portuguese 'casta', the Indian term 'varna' basically means 'colour'! Portugal was the first European country to encounter caste in India.) Caste-like differences, if not caste, are very much present even among Muslim and Sikh communities. The human mind is given to discriminating and somehow feeling superior over anyone else. Whether it's caste or some ot
[Goanet]GOANET-READER Of numbers, genders and workers. Christianity & India
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## OF NUMBERS, GENDERS AND WORKERS: PAINTING A CENSUS PICTURE OF INDIAN XTIANS >From Frederick Noronha TINY NAGALAND has the largest proportion of Christians in its state (90% of its total population), but it is the southern states of Kerala followed by Tamil Nadu which have the largest headcounts of people of this faith. Kerala has a total Christian population of a little over six million, while Tamil Nadu has nearly 3.8 million Christians, out of India's total Christian population of just over 24 million. At the other end of the scale, northern states like Himachal Pradesh have only a little over 7000 Christians, while smaller 'union territories' like the former Portuguese colony of Daman & Diu and the islands of Lakshadweep have a Christian population of around 3000 and 500 respectively. Religion-linked figures from the latest Census 2001 are slowly being released officially, and additional details about different religious groups make for an interesting study on religious diversity in the planet's second-most populous country. Overall, figures tallied showed that in all India had 1028 million people when the latest official census was taken, in 2001. Detailed analysis of major religious groupings have recently been released. 'The First Report on Religion: Census of India 2001' also looks at the state-by-state break-up of all religions, including Christians. This studies their proportion to the total population, female-to-male sex ratio, zero-to-six age-group sex ratio, and other figures. India's Christian population seems to be older in some states, and younger in others. In the country as a whole, some 13.5 per cent of the total Christian population is in the zero-to-six age group. Some states with a more 'youthful' Christian population include Meghalaya (21.1% in the zero-to-six age group), Arunachal Pradesh (20.5%), Dadra and Nagar Haveli (19.3%), Orissa (17.8%), Assam (17.6%), Jharkhand (16.2%), Mizoram and Punjab (both 16.1%), States like Goa, where the birth rate among all communities has fallen drastically over recent decades, sees Christians too with just 9.6 per cent of its population in the zero-to-six age group, suggesting an older population overall. Smaller regions like Daman and Diu and the islands of Lakshadweep (which has just 509 Christians among its slightly over sixty thousand population) have fewer proportions in their zero-to-five Christian population. But it might not be appropriate to draw conclusions based on this base of small numbers involved. India's Christian population has a sex-ratio which is favourable to women. Early findings on this census have already drawn attention, since Christians -- unlike other religious communities in India -- have 1009 women for every thousand men. This indicates a favourable ratio, as far as women go. This figure is significant in a country where a strong preference for the boy child has led the women-to-men ratio to sharply fall in some religious communities. The Christian higher women-to-men ratio could reflect either a lower bias in favour of the boy-child, or migratory trends among the menfolk of certain regions (such as Kerala and Goa) for overseas jobs, or a mix of both the factors. (In Kerala, the women-to-men ratio among Christians is 1031 for every thousand men, while in Goa it is an even-higher 1107. Goa has the highest such ratio for Christians among all states nationwide, while Pondicherry a;sp has a high 1101 women for every thousand males in its 67,698-strong Christian community.) But when the sex-ratio is considered only in the 0-6 age group for Christians, the situation changes. This figure drops to 964 girl children for every thousand boy children (in the 0-6 age group), a cause for probable concern which could do with sociological explanations. It indicates a more-adverse ratio for girls in the younger age groups. Literacy among Christians overall in India is a fairly high 80.3%. But given the rather low qualifying-tests to be treated as 'literate' in India, obviously there is no scope for self-congratulation for some time to come. Kerala with 94.8%, Delhi with 94%, Mizoram with 93.1%, and Maharashtra with 91% top the states with highest levels of literacy among all Christian communities in India. At the other end is Arunachal (just 47% of Christian population literate), Punjab (54.6%) and Orissa (with 54.9% of its Christian population literate)). . Here too, Kerala tops all states in terms of female literacy among Christians. Some 93.5% of its Christian women qualify as literate in that southern state. Delhi and Mizoram fight for a close
[Goanet]Goans in East Africa
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Gilbert Lawrence: Perhaps you are right in the following post. But perhaps you may be mixing apples and oranges. Cornel claim that Anglo-Saxon are more "color prejudiced" than Iberians. This may or may not be true. In my stay in England, I found the English also discriminate against the Irish, Scottish and the Welsh. One can argue that Londoners discriminate against the folks from Liverpool or New Castle. The English are a bit private people. My home is my castle! And I will meet you at the pub! My point is: Are we talking about discrimination (which exists) or are we talking about the CULTURAL CONDUCT and AFFABILITY of people? For that matter, right or wrongly, the native Goans think the Angresi Goenkars behave like Angresiwallas. Regards. Cornel: I have to agree with Rui Collaco's post that the attitude to 'coloured' people or to 'visible professional minorities', has been different between Anglo-Saxons and those of Iberian people, especially in the case of the educated Portuguese. When on holiday in Portugal and especially when attending conferences there, I have been struck by the warm reception I have inevitably received from the indigenous Portuguese as an Irmao or brother. This is clearly, because of my Portuguese name and knowledge of my Goan origins. In four decades, a welcome as a brother has never happened to me in the UK and is unlikely ever to happen. I put this to a significant cultural difference between the way Anglo-Saxons invariably see me as the eternal foreigner, however educated, sophisticated or long resident in the UK., even though there is a growing awareness of the unsupportable former colonial position on race with the advent of simple contact, cuisine and even anti-racist education.
[Goanet]Congratulations Ben Evangelist
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Congratulations Ben Evangelist Great Super Hits VCD No one DEVAK ZAI ZALEAR Never seen Before in Market Master character comedian well done Ben we cannot forget your hard pain on your VCD. Yours fellow Goan Stephen fernandes Muscat/Divar
[Goanet]Sausages
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Hello to Goa, since a time you have the "Sausage-Forum". At first I was not interested, but then I follwed the lines. I tried them once and found them very hot and at home we didn´t eat them. Hot I found them because I was brandnew imported to Goa, and we didn´t eat them, because we had piggies ourself and the way how they were fed was not the way we were used to here in Germany. Well, that was in the `50 last century. I think nowadays they are bred up the industrial way. A few years ago restaurants , hotels in Europe and so on gave there garbage to breeders, but now they have to put the stuff in stainless steel containers and then then it goes to the waste combustion. EU-Law!! We had only a (very) short spell in Goa, I, myself only 4 Years, our father 19 years, but Goa is engraved in our heart and if our governement doesn´t make more mischief we will be back in 2006. Until then !! Howi Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet]Re: Sausages & Taste
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## For a while back in 1993/94, my uncle was making Choriz sausages (how the hell do you spell that anyway?) for the Goan community here in Winnipeg and, notwithstanding the use of Canadian Pork, made them as authentically as possible. A bite would bring a Goan to tears (of joy and nostalgia). Unfortunately, my uncle suddenly passed away in 1996 and I now regret not carrying on the tradition. :( Are they available in Toronto? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pintomusic.com ---
[Goanet]Bernard Vellozo
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Hello there, I am not sure if I am reaching Eugene Correia or the goanet site. My name is Ali Akbar, and I went to St Patrick's High in Karachi with Bernard Vellozo. I was just on the internet trying to google guys I went to school with. I was searching for Bishop Lobo because I knew that he was Bernard's uncle. Anyway one link led to another and I found your webpage that states that you go to the same parish. Would it be possible for you to pass on my email address to Father Vellozo. We were never best friends so he may not remember me (it has been 15 years that I have left for California), but I would appreciate it if he could drop a line. My personal email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you Ali Akbar
[Goanet]Request for Dhormik Gitam & Laudain
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear All, Could you please anyone send me old DHORMIK GITAM (in konkani) and LAUDAIN (in latin). Appreciate for your reply. Regards, R. Fernandes
[Goanet]Translation assistance required
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Is it possible to translate this script in Konkani and return to me immediately. I require this for Saturday morning. I would appreciate. It does not have to be the exact words, just the same jits. The Sari is one of the most ancient designed dresses that continue to take on features of the new society. Despite the revolutions that the world witnesses in women's fashion, the Sari is still around never abandoned. 3. Sari is one of the most expressive clothing of woman femininity and shares in the pleasures, moods and sadness of its wearers. The Sari tells us the occasion. For example, weddings, the bride will wear heavy gorgeous Sari. Hand weaving Sari takes about six months to complete. 4. Purple Haze - Sari with narrow border draped around tightly twice and pleats kept low slung with Pallu coming from behind over the right shoulder gives a slim look. 5. Ethnic - Over the centuries and across the world the Sari has been adapted in form and content. Special way of draping the colors and material chosen is associated with customs and traditions, which religion and society have influenced. . DANCE # 1 - DANKE 6. Snow White - Sari could be of shimmering silk or embroidered with golden threads and different colors. It speaks of calmness and yet so sensuous. 7. Through all the centuries, the success of the Sari comes from its total simplicity and practical comfort; there have been changes in materials and draping. They adopted the modern way. 8. An elegant Sari - it is very flattering to all shapes and sizes and forgiving of the various flaws. It is just a matter of how one drapes the Sari. 9. Beautiful Orange - For centaury women have worn this exotic fancy garment. Its history thus expresses the development of its society. 10. Draping is an art of fashion and can be distinctive with a stylish elegance. The blouse or choli is a tight fitting top item of clothing and can add a fashion statement to the Sari. . DANCE #2 - 11. Tantalizing display of mid-riff, the Sari gracefully accentuates the contours of the person wearing it. 12. Gorgeously worn - Very pleasing magnificent the Pallu is a women's veil of modesty or flirtation as need be. 13. Tradition 6 yard Sari of unstitched material allows for generous pleating and draping around the body and over the shoulder almost Grecian in style. 14. Captivating - Beautiful that she is. The Sari draped in a very fascinating manner - Customized enhanced blouse, shows an elaborate handwork. Fit for occasion. 15. Embroidered and intricately decorated, gracefully displayed. . DANCE #3 - Chelsea Ridgway & Michelle Asch The youth of today wear the Indian garment in style. Demonstrating the Indian patterns of the swirl is gorgeously present in the body top and in the mini warp skirts. 16. It is amazing to see the variety of ways one can drape a Sari. The tube top adds a western statement to the Sari. 17. Very modern contemporary fitted style. There is no blouse or choli. This fashion is all Saris. This form of Sari drape is popular in the Western world. 18. 14th Century Sari kept changing when women began to help their men working in the fields. They began to wear short Pallu tied or tucked on the waist for free movement to work. Modern technology took away the hardship of the families. Now the dancers use this type of draping. 19. Hard-working women wore this hospice Sari. This Sari forms a trouser shape called a "Dhoti". In fact, so practical to wear that one can even run a marathon in it without any problems. 20. Basutorope - Tradition met modern tailoring; simply put a short top and show the mid-riff. This was very common at the time of Portuguese rule in Goa. The Brahman caste mainly wore this type of garment. 21. Voile - Our great grandparents wore this two-piece over a Sari for church to show modesty in clothing. After church, they used to remove the voile and go with the Sari.
[Goanet]Re: Congratulations Ben Evangelist
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## I do agree with you Stephen Fernandes, Ben Evangelist deserve maximum marks. As you can see from below (chart) His comedy got 10+ CONGRATULATIONS TO BEN EVANGELIST. Hope to see another one soon. Quote: 4 new VCDs added to the list. If you have any VCDs others than the listed below, please let me know and I will add them to the list. Should you require a brief review on each of the following VCDs please let me know. Thanks for your support: A REQUEST: PLEASE DO NOT USE PIRATED COPIES OR DUPLICATE COPIES. PLEASE BUY ORIGINALS AND show your SUPPORT .. Bhuimkamp - by Mark Araujo etc Rontto - by Candido & Ratnakar Devan Dilem Devcharan Velem - By Jose Rod Zababdari(film) - Bonifacio Dias, Anil kumar Tukach Lagon - Khell Tiatr by Minino Mario Soirikar - Khell Tiatr by Minino Mario Dor Taka sodnaka - Actors John D silva,Domnic etc O my God -Commedian Domnic & Luis Bacchan. March 2004 Sorry PAI -Commedy Film by Comedian Agostinho.Apr04 Tujem Sambau-Khell Tiatr by Minino Mario-April 2004 Moriad -Film by Bonifacio dias- March/April 2004 Devak Zai Zalear Film-Ben Evangelisto July/Aug2004 Kavllo Rodlo Lozen- Songs& Jokes-Rosary Ferns Aug 2004 Mog a short film by Peter Roshan August 2004 Vantte, A drama by Allan DCosts/Sidon Sil Aug/2004 Manfass Musical show, songs. June/2004 Film Songs- frm ZABBABDARI,MORIAD & TO DIS UDELO VCDs on GOA: GOA a Paradise by Agostinho Da Cruz Nov.2003 Beaches of GOA by Taresh Sabharwal March 2004 See comparison below: I have the foll VCDs and watched them all and made my own comparision/scoring which is given below for your info. Name Drama Commedy Songs Popular Price Actors Rs. Bhuimkamp 8 58 4250 Rontto7 54 4200 Devan Dilem Devcharan Velem 9 96 10200 Zababdari(flm)8 64 9250 Moriad Film 8 75 9250 Devak Zai Zalear 8 10+ 7 10200 MOG 8 99 9150 Vantte8 88 7250 Tukach Lagon 8 77 9150 Soirikar 8 76 9150 Tujem Sambau 9 97 9150 Dor Taka sodn - 8- 9150 O my God - 10- 10150 Sorry Pai - 9- 10150 Kavlo Roddlo Lozen- 99 9150 Film Songs- - 10 8 99 Manfas Misical Show -7 6150 VCDs on GOA: GOA a Paradise- -- -250 Beaches of GOA- -- - 99 Releasing Shortly: VCDs TUM PASSUN.. -konkani Feature Film by Comedian Domnic. Putugez Goenkar by Patrick dourado. TO DIS UDELO- Film by Bonifacio OLD KONKANI FILM SONGS -Fabian G.Da Costa (Manfa Music) Next Update: end Oct.
[Goanet]No petrodollars! Gulf dream's over
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## NEW DELHI: There was a time, some three decades ago, when Saudi Arabia was on a roll. The coffers of this desert kingdom, as also those of neighbouring Gulf states, were overflowing with petrodollars, affording their kings, sultans, emirs and princes the luxury of lavish public sector spending and assuring the Arabs cradle to grave benefits without having to work for them. All this is about to change for the worse, affecting more than a million Indian expatriate workers in Saudi Arabia. And the state that will be hit the most is Kerala. With the oil boom going bust, the coffers of Saudi Arabia and its neighbours are no longer overflowing. The days of lavish public sector spending are virtually over; fast shrinking welfare funds now have to be spread thinly over rapidly increasing population. "Saudisation", they believe, could prove to be the best anti-dote to Al-Qaedisation of young Saudis as well as address popular demands for social and political reform. It is also aimed at negating the anti-House of Saud propaganda that its policies make foreigners rich even while impoverishing Saudis. The charge is not entirely unfounded: $ 20 billion are repatriated by foreign workers every year, money that would have gone into Saudi pockets had they had these jobs. The "Saudisation" programme is being implemented neither surreptitiously nor without notice. Yet, the Indian government has not yet got down to the task of preparing a strategy to meet the looming crisis. By the time it wakes up to the problem, it will be left with either of two options: wring its hands in despair or cry foul. By putting a well-thought out strategy in place at an early stage, and setting up a consultative mechanism between the state governments that will be affected and the union government, much of the impending shock can be absorbed. But this is one problem that is not going to disappear. It will only get worse with the passage of time. Read the entire article http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/885684.cms --- Goanet - http://www.goanet.org - Goa's premier mailing list is 10 years old
[Goanet]Re: Dabolim Imperialism 2
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Thanks for the response. But I still dont see any information about what the Navy is using the airport for! At the very end of the Churchill letter referred to in the posting there is a mention of the term "Naval Training Enclave" without elaboration. If this is indeed the only purpose Dabolim Airport is serving the Navy it should be willing to shift the training activities to other bases including Seabird. I dont know why I get the feelng that both sides have little or no grounds for their respective stands and are simply falling back on playing a shouting match that too in perpetuity! I also believe the media are responsible to a great extent since they have made little effort in all this time to enlighten the citizens of the operational "facts" of the situation. They seem more interested in the goings on in the beach shacks than what is happening at an economic and social chokepoint of Goa. Let's hope more rational thinking begins to emerge.
[Goanet]Re: Congratulations Ben Evangelist
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Hi Joe and all, Thanks for your email. Ben Evangelisto's DEVAK ZAI ZALEAR is an excellent masterpiece and deserves recognition. We pray that he may be blessed with more and more talent to deliver his best to all the Konkani lovers. One more artiste I admire for his good work is JOSE ROD who needs no introduction to the tiatr-goers. As a Director, his shows have been applauded As an actor, history has his stunning performances in various roles of a hero, villain and comedian as well. We wish that all our tiatrists keep shining for years together on our much- loved Konkani stage. Cheers...! Joe Desouza Muscat - NRI
[Goanet]Birthdays from 14th - 16th Oct 2004
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Wishing you all a very HAPPY BIRTHDAY on behalf of GoaNetters to 14-Oct Vishnudas S.Panaji, Goa 16-Oct Riza D'Mello-NoronhaGoa Thanks, Vincente. Please do notify if your e-mail address has been changed, for cc'ing B'day wished to your e-mail address. NOTE: Please send your Birthday's details for those who haven't done so far to the following e-mail address([EMAIL PROTECTED]) with subject as Birthday/Birthday details as per below format. Birth Day/Month NameBirth/Current Place
[Goanet]15 OCT 2004: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS Oct 15, 2004 THOUGHT FOR THE DAY: "Jivit ek khell kosso. Kednaim ami chuktat ani dukhoutat, punn amchea kallzachi foddafodd suru zata thuimsor jivit kabar zainam; tem kabar zata fokot jednam ami axea soddttanv ani soth mandunk bond kortanv." (Life is like a game. Sometimes, we miss and get hurt, but life doesn't end where our heartaches begin, it only ends when we give up and stop believing.) "domnic fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GOACOM VIDEO NEWS: Video Clip from Goa on the first Session of HERITAGE JAZZ YATRA organised by Armando Gonsalves of Trancemedia at Rebelo Mansion at Betalbatim on October 10, 2004, at http://www.goacom.com/news Clips_Heritage_Jazz Yatra_1: CHARTERS ARE HERE! The tourist season takes off to a flying start on Friday (15 October) with the arrival of an Excel Airways Boeing 767-300ER from London Gatwick airport. This will be the first chartered flight of the 2004-05 season. The aircraft is scheduled to land at Dabolim International Airport at 6 am. Another aircraft from Monarch Airlines is expected to follow shortly. The aircraft is expected to carry 289 British passengers who will be handled by travel agents Travel Pack and UVI Holidays. The airline, which incidentally is operating to Goa for the first time, has tied up with Somak Holidays to market Goa as a destination in the UK. The airline will operate three flights per week in its debut season with Margao-based Ciceron Air Transport as the handling agent. The tourism industry is expecting a bumper season this year with at least 32 flights per week compared to the 22 flights last season. (GT) TOURISM SEASON BEGINS: The arrival of a chartered plane of Excel Airlines early today will usher in tourist season in Goa.The government is yet to give permission for opening of shacks along the beaches in Goa, though it had earlier announced that a total of 290 shacks would be permitted this year. The delay, it is learnt, is due to the absence of a full-time director for the Tourism department. (NT) BOAT CAPSIZES OFF MORJIM: As many as 11 labourers from Jharkhand and Bihar had a miraculous escape when the boat carrying them capsized off the Morjim coast on October 14 at about 7.15 pm. The boat carrying the labourers for dredging work left the Chapora jetty at about 6.30 pm to proceed towards Siolim. Due to heavy showers, coupled with gusty winds, the boat began to drift towards Morjim and at about 7 pm, capsized in the sea.The coast Guard and fire services were unable to carry out any search and rescue operations. Anjuna PI Lawrence D'Souza sought the assistance of local fishermen from Chapora who went swiftly into the choppy seas and rescued all 11 labourers. (H) POINGUINIM IS A DESERTED FORT.: If Poinguinim looked like a battle ground for over a fortnight, it resembled an abandoned fort on Thursday (14 October). Most of the political bigwigs, specially the BJP ministers and MLAs and Congress MLAs and leaders who had camped in Poinguinim for campaigning left for their destinations as soon as polling process was completed on Wednesday evening. (GT) FINGERS CROSSED: Cotigao would go for the BJP, Gaondongrim would make it even, while Loliem-Polem and Poinguinim panchayat areas would stand behind the party, so believe many a Congressman. The BJP camp begs to differ: Cotigao, alongwith Loliem and Poinguinim would give a lead for Isidore and does not rule out even Gaondongrim going the party way. (H) SEAFOOD EXPORTS MAY RISE: Last year, some Rs.31.62 crore was earned though seafood exports from Goa, comparatively lower than the Rs.43.45 crore earned in 02-03. But this fiscal year, the "excellent" early-season catch has buoyed officials to peg the export forecasts at the over Rs.60 crore levels, according to VC Yargal, Assistant Director of Marine Products Export Development Authority. He said, by September end, Goa had already exported Rs.20 crore worth of sea food. Goan seafood exports ship squids (mannkio), reef cord (Balle), ribbon fish, mackerel (bangdde), snappers (tamshe-chonnak), king fish (visonn), Pink perch (Rane) and cuttlefish. Mackerel, ribbon fish and reef cord comprise the bulk of Goa's seafood exports.Record for tiger prawns or shrimp (nearly 900-tonne production) exports are not available as no local exporter directly ships shrimps. (H) STATE POLITICAL HUB FALLS IN PANCHAYAT LIMITS: Goa has become a unique State in the country to have its Secretariat and Legislative Assembly within the panchayat limits.Porvorim has been now named as a new Assembly constituency in the working draft paper and the proposal to set up
[Goanet]Sad Demise
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Mrs. Mary Vaz, one of the seniormost konkani stage artist and wife of late Jacinto Vaz (Goa's Charlie Chaplin) passed away peacefully early this morning at her residence in Azossim, Mandur. Her funeral will take place today evening. Daniel F. de Souza.
[Goanet]THE LANCET: Targeting commercial sex-workers in Goa...
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## http://www.thelancet.com/journal/vol364/iss9442/full/llan.364.9442.ana lysis_and_interpretation.30939.1 Comment Targeting commercial sex-workers in Goa, India: time for a strategic rethink? At 0700 h, June 14, 2004, bulldozers shattered our dream of an evidence-based participatory intervention for HIV prevention with sex- workers in Goa, India.1 Under the pretext of a High Court order to rehabilitate commercial sex-workers (CSWs), the government of Goa demolished the red-light area of Baina. The demolition occurred during the monsoon rains and the government provided no rehabilitation or relief for the thousands of people it rendered homeless. A day's work demolished a decade of HIV prevention and made the newly homeless, destitute women even more vulnerable to HIV. After a decade of HIV prevention efforts by non-governmental organisations (NGOs), CSWs regularly turned to peer educators and NGOs for condoms and treatment of sexually transmitted infections (STIs). The CSWs' active participation invigorated the HIV prevention programme. The authorities not only failed to appreciate these efforts, but they ignored us when we reported that cordoning off the red-light area before the demolition had forced women to seek clients elsewhere. Those women reported rape, multiple partners, reduced ability to negotiate condom use, increased violence, and police raids. Condom distribution fell significantly, probably increasing their vulnerability to HIV. The authorities also ignored experts who warned that destroying the red-light area would spread sex-work over a poorly defined area, isolating the CSWs and exposing them to violence and infection. As anticipated, the government's effort to eradicate prostitution has made it nearly impossible to provide HIV prevention services to CSWs. Was the eviction a result of the government's antimigrant ideology (most CSWs had migrated from other States--eg, Karnataka and Andrah Pradesh) or an antiprostitution ideology? Or did the government evoke those sentiments to justify to the public an illegal and inhuman demolition? Motivation aside, it was startling that this event occurred in a country that boasts an internationally acclaimed model of success: the empowered and collectivised CSWs of Sonagachi.2 The demolition brought back vivid memories of the first author's involvement in HIV prevention efforts in Burma, where sex-work is illegal and the penalty of 10 years of hard labour almost invariably leads to death. There, our programme's access to clandestine brothels was sporadic; coverage was poor and the HIV epidemic was unchecked. There is mounting evidence that intervening with CSWs prevents HIV spread. Using mathematical models, researchers have shown the effectiveness of targeting people with a high rate of sex-partner exchange in the early phases of an HIV epidemic.3 Investigators have also shown the effectiveness of various HIV prevention strategies in many published experimental and quasi-experimental studies of sex- workers.4-11 A recent randomised trial found that rates of HIV dropped 400-500% in both study arms after women changed their HIV risk-taking habits.11 Thailand focused on sex-work in its countrywide intervention,12 and it is one of the few countries to see success in stemming the tide of HIV. Despite overwhelming evidence, only a handful of countries have implemented national interventions in the 10 years since the first reports were published about the successful programmes in Zaire.10 We must answer some fundamental questions in HIV prevention strategies. Can we continue to develop effective interventions and see them not used on a large scale because of political and legal barriers? The commercial interest vested in the intertwined tourist and sex industries might have prompted Thailand's success. Can public health afford to remain hostage to such political or economic whims? Is it ethical to collect data that blames the spread of HIV on people with a high rate of sex-partner exchange without implementing the resulting intervention? Our community advisory board's futile attempt to seek refuge in our research centre during the demolition exemplifies researchers' inability to protect participants in the face of governmental antagonism. Instead of endlessly perfecting interventions in a tiny fraction of CSWs, HIV/STI prevention efforts must have unfettered access to all CSWs to succeed. To do that we must demand international political and legal standards to protect the human rights of sex-workers. These rights include the ability to self-organise and work without fear of violence and arres
