[Goanet]The "North", Africans in India, etc...

[Frederick Noronha]

Fundacao Oriente
 later
today, March 10, kicks off a lecture series series that continues its
earlier Indo-Portuguese historical and cultural interactions. Some of the
topics are interesting, and the speakers are mostly people one could look
forward to meeting. 

This Thursday, from 6-7 pm, Dr Glenn J Ames
 has a
catchy title for his talk -- 'A Tale of Four Cities: The Provincia do Norte
in an Age of Decline and Rebirth, 1640-1683'. 

The 'Provincia do Norte'

 or the Northern Province, was the hardly-northern not-far-from-Bombay edge
of the colonial Portuguese empire in South Asia. Dr Ames here tells the
story of four cities -- Diu, Daman, Chaul and Bacaim (today's Vasai) -- in
the rebuilding of the Estado da India
 of the
17th century, as the Portuguese colonial state here was then known.  

He's Professor of French and Portuguese history at the University of Toledo,
USA . He's currently in Goa as a Senior Research
Fellow of the American Institute of Indian Studies. 

His earlier books include 'Renascent Empire? The House of Braganza and the
Quest for Stability in Portuguese Monsoon Asia, ca. 1640-1683'
 and Vasco da
Gama: Renaissance Crusader (2005)
.

In this session, Dr Ames' argument is that the Portuguese by the late
'seventeenth century, were beseiged by both European rivals (like the Dutch)
and indigenous powers like the Mughals and Bijapur. 

Comments he: "The decade which began with the loss of Cochin to the (Dutch)
VOC  and the reluctant transfer of Bombay to the
English, ironically also marked the beginning of three decades of vital
reform for the Estado da India". 

His study looks at the geo-political, religious and economic challenges
confronting the Portuguese Crown in Asia, between 166301700 and more. He'll
look closely at the importance of the "Provinces of the North" in this
reformation process. 

On March 17, Prof Jean-Pierre Angenot, a Belgian-turned-Brazilian known for
his TADIA (The African Diaspora in Asia) Network
 ,
explains the history and geography of the current-day often-neglected
African diaspora in India.

On March 24, journalist-turned-Kala Academy member secretary Vinayak V
Khedekar talks on 'traditional communication technique -- phonology' while a
week later photographer Sunil Vaidyanathan talks on 'India through my lens'.
-- 
FN

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Re: [Goanet]Distinctiveness on the caste issue

[Mario Goveia]

Cornel,

You are a character for sure.  Mr. or Ms. Milad? 
That's a good one.  Never thought of "it" being a gal.
 Maybe the name is Milad Meow, Meow?  His or her post
on caste is distinctive all right.

Meet for coffee to mull things over?  Ha, ha, ha! 
That's rich.  Good luck.  You think these guys or gals
who hide behind nom de plumes want to "meet and mull
things over" when they don't even have the guts to
identify with their opinions?  Some may be "double
agents".  Could be a good friend of yours.


--- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear Mr or Ms Milad,
> Your post on caste has a definite distinctiveness
> about it. Regrettably, I 
> have not been able to quite fathom your message even
> though I have tried 
> hard. No doubt, it is to do with my inadequacy that
> I have some difficulty 
> over this.
> 
> As you and I live in London, we could perhaps meet
> and mull over things over 
> a coffee sometime. However, I hope you will reply to
> me personally, and keep 
> writing to Goanet as it could well do with  your
> distinctive contribution.
> Cheers,
> Cornel 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Goanet]Can you build within 500 metres of the high-tide line?

[Jim Fernandes]

Fred,

Thank you for making GoaNetters aware of this real estate guide. I was trying 
to access the gomesgoa.com web site, but it appears to be either down or 
non-functional or the address itself may be incorrect.

Would you be able to check it out for us and re-post the correct information on 
their URL?

Thanks,

Jim Fernandes.
New York.

 -- Original message --
From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Can you build within 500 metres of the high-tide line? (Yes, no, depends?) 
> What do you do when you find an electric pole stuck in your backyard, 
> after returning back to Goa, set there without anyone's permission? (Can 
> you do anything at all?) Can a buyer ask you to 'convert' your land before 
> selling it? (What are the illegal rates?)
> 

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[Goanet]PM competent, but without authority: NDA

[**** GoA-WorlD.CoM ****]

PM competent, but without authority: NDA

Opposition National Democratic Alliance on Wednesday lashed out at the 
Manmohan Singh government for the recent political happenings in Goa, 
Jharkhand and Bihar.

It also raised questions about the role of governors and the way issues 
concerning country's security were being handled.

The manner in which various issues are being handled is extremely worrisome 
and a matter of grave concern, Leader of the Opposition and senior Bharatiya 
Janata Party leader Jaswant Singh said in the Rajya Sabha.

   Jharkhand trust vote on Mar 11: SC

He was initiating a discussion on the motion of thanks to the President's 
address. 

"There are several centres of power. It is really disturbing. We have a prime 
minister who has great competence without authority. We have authority but 
there is no competence," Singh said. 

The political developments in Jharkhand, Goa and Bihar indicated there is 
a 'great erosion' of institutions, he said.

"If institutions are rendered inoperative or weak, we are guilty of very 
substantial and substantive wrong. It is saddening." 

   Buta Singh takes charge of Bihar govt

He regretted that a senior member of the Union cabinet was not aware of the 
political happenings in the country. "If they do not know what is happening, 
how will they do the right thing?" he asked. 

The happenings in the last few weeks indicated there is no unity in the ruling 
United Progressive Alliance. The alliance was neither united nor progressive, 
he remarked.

(Rediff.com / 9 March 2005)

- Forwarded by www.goa-world.com

Goa's finest websites: www.colaco.net www.supergoa.com www.goa-world.com 

__ Goans often find it easier to be a result of the past than a cause for the 
future. 
Isn't it time to change this? __

[Goanet]Wind Energy Systems in Goa?

[Carlos Mascarenhas]

Dear Goanet:
 
Would anyone in our Club point me towards some person, expert on wind
energy systems, association for wind energy in Goa?
 
Thank you.
 
Carlos Mascarenhas.

[Goanet]Any Overseas Jobs

[balubhai solanki]

Hello,

   This is Balwant Solanki from Goa. I m diploma in civil engineer , with 
11 years of experience in construction field. I would like to ask some help 
from any of our overseas goan , who can help  me in geting job in any part of 
the world. ( US, Canada, Australia, New zealand or Uk) I m very hard working 
man, and ready to work in any condition and any type of work behind my 
profession as civil engineer

   I hope many of my Goan brothers and ladies will come forward to help me 
in bad days to turn in to good days.

   I am waiting for your positive reply very soon. my e-mail id is 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and cell no +919422062843

 From ,
   Balwant A. Solanki

Re: [Goanet]Can you build within 500 metres of the high-tide line?

[Mario Goveia]

Fred,

Good source of info.  Thanks.

I think the answer is that you can if 

a) you are able to buy a property that already has a
"pukka" structure on it within the 500 metres that is
"grandfathered", which you can then "improve".

b) you are able to find a property that is classified
to be on a river, for example the buildings across
from Miramar Beach have been built with a 90 metre
setback from the waterline because they are deemed to
be on the Mandovi River.

Your example of a "British national" seems that you
are considering NRIs different from "nationals".   I
know from my own experience and that of others that
NRI's have NO restrictions on any financial or
property transactions.  Maybe traditional foreigners
do.

--- "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Can you build within 500 metres of the high-tide
> line? (Yes, no, depends?) 
> What do you do when you find an electric pole stuck
> in your backyard, 
> after returning back to Goa, set there without
> anyone's permission? (Can 
> you do anything at all?) Can a buyer ask you to
> 'convert' your land before 
> selling it? (What are the illegal rates?)
> 
> What's the dividing line between a "Portuguese
> house" and one which is 
> traditionally Goan? (Surprise: There are no
> Portuguese houses in Goa, as 
> architect Gerard da Cunha unequivocally says, just a
> synthesis between 
> the Portuguese and local style of houses!) Can a
> British national own 
> property in Goa? Foreigners can, only if they
> establish they are a person 
> residing in India, and that takes a half-year
> residence here to qualify. 
> What does the 182-days-residence criteria (required
> to be considered a 
> 'person resident in India') mean? What facilities
> are there for people of 
> Indian origin to own land here -- except for
> farmland -- and can their 
> children inherit it?
> 
> If you're interested in such questions, and real
> estate issues, check out 
> the Homes & Estates: Goa's Property & Building
> Trading Guide 
>  magazine that comes out
> in four issues each 
> year.
> 
> The Spring 2005 issue (Vol 6 Issue 3) is out, and is
> priced at Rs 30 UKP2 
> US$3 or Euro3.
> 
> It promises "over 2000 listings" of properties too.
> Have never myself 
> checked out how effective this is as a tool to scout
> for properties. But 
> as Goans rush headlong into a mad rush to sell their
> ancestral properties 
> (a point _VM_ made not too long ago) the importance
> of such information 
> becomes obvious.
> 
> There are two good panels offering architects' and
> legal answers.  Many 
> raising queries are foreigners. This is edited and
> published by Michael 
> Lobo of Parra  and
> its art director is 
> his Japanese wife Tomoko Mikada Lobo.
> 
> Generally, useful information. Even if one is
> suspicious about all those 
> glossy adverts put out by the real estate lobby,
> which has significantly 
> damaged the charm that lures to Goa, and has also
> made homes too costly 
> for most local-earning locals to ever afford!
> 
>

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> 
> 
> 

[Goanet]Can you build within 500 metres of the high-tide line?

[Frederick Noronha (FN)]

Can you build within 500 metres of the high-tide line? (Yes, no, depends?) 
What do you do when you find an electric pole stuck in your backyard, 
after returning back to Goa, set there without anyone's permission? (Can 
you do anything at all?) Can a buyer ask you to 'convert' your land before 
selling it? (What are the illegal rates?)

What's the dividing line between a "Portuguese house" and one which is 
traditionally Goan? (Surprise: There are no Portuguese houses in Goa, as 
architect Gerard da Cunha unequivocally says, just a synthesis between 
the Portuguese and local style of houses!) Can a British national own 
property in Goa? Foreigners can, only if they establish they are a person 
residing in India, and that takes a half-year residence here to qualify. 
What does the 182-days-residence criteria (required to be considered a 
'person resident in India') mean? What facilities are there for people of 
Indian origin to own land here -- except for farmland -- and can their 
children inherit it?

If you're interested in such questions, and real estate issues, check out 
the Homes & Estates: Goa's Property & Building Trading Guide 
 magazine that comes out in four issues each 
year.

The Spring 2005 issue (Vol 6 Issue 3) is out, and is priced at Rs 30 UKP2 
US$3 or Euro3.

It promises "over 2000 listings" of properties too. Have never myself 
checked out how effective this is as a tool to scout for properties. But 
as Goans rush headlong into a mad rush to sell their ancestral properties 
(a point _VM_ made not too long ago) the importance of such information 
becomes obvious.

There are two good panels offering architects' and legal answers.  Many 
raising queries are foreigners. This is edited and published by Michael 
Lobo of Parra  and its art director is 
his Japanese wife Tomoko Mikada Lobo.

Generally, useful information. Even if one is suspicious about all those 
glossy adverts put out by the real estate lobby, which has significantly 
damaged the charm that lures to Goa, and has also made homes too costly 
for most local-earning locals to ever afford!


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[Goanet]Pilar -- art exhibition for tsunami relief

[inferns6]

Pilar Pre-Novitiate to organise An Art Exhibition for Tsunami Relief

Pilar, March 8, 2005:  The Pilar Pre-Novices along with their animators are
going to organize an Art Exhibition for the tsunami relief entitled 'Waves
of Destruction Waves of Compassion' which will be inaugurated at the
hands of Dr. Subodh Kerkar on the 12th of March at 5.00 pm on the Pilar
hillock. Also there will be an exhibition of candles prepared by the
seminarians.

The exhibition is also on display on Sunday March 13th and Thursday March
17th. "Many professional and amateur Goan artists have shown interest in
this exhibition. Part of the proceeds of the sale of paintings will go to
the tsunami afflicted people in the islands of Andamans and Nicobar where
the Pilar priests are working." informed Fr. Dominic Alvares, the Director
of the Pre-Novitiate.

Inacio A Fernandes
Pilar Goa

[Goanet]Distinctiveness on the caste issue

[cornel]

Dear Mr or Ms Milad,
Your post on caste has a definite distinctiveness about it. Regrettably, I 
have not been able to quite fathom your message even though I have tried 
hard. No doubt, it is to do with my inadequacy that I have some difficulty 
over this.

As you and I live in London, we could perhaps meet and mull over things over 
a coffee sometime. However, I hope you will reply to me personally, and keep 
writing to Goanet as it could well do with  your distinctive contribution.
Cheers,
Cornel 

[Goanet]Taxi's and other aspects of India

[Mario Goveia]

David,

It seems you have had some interesting experiences in
India.  I just got back from my annual month's trip to
Mumbai, Goa and Pune, visiting friends and family, but
I grew up with all this stuff and so I find it amusing
after living in the US for over 30 years.  They seem
to sense that I'm an "NRI" and try the same stunts on
me that they probably do on you.  However, I am more
tolerant and sensitive to their situation now than
most "domestic" Indians.

Probably as in any less developed and "poor" country,
a visitor has to be "on guard" 24/7.  I grew up in
India and my "security" instincts have served me well
wherever I have travelled including in NY, Jamaica,
Mexico etc.

My "unbiased" opinion is an India of immense
diversity, including incredible personal warmth and
hospitality to great chicanery, cleanliness to
mind-boggling squalor, great wealth to immense
poverty.  Traffic, especially in Mumbai, is virtual
anarchy, and only one effective traffic rule seems to
apply, "Don't hit anything!"

Regards,
Mario


--- David Futers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A very interesting piece on the taxi situation in
> Goa.  My question is what is the charge per Km for a
taxi and do you pay for double the
> distance unlike in the UK where you only pay one
> way, i.e. if the
> distance to the destination is 20Km and you do not
> retain the taxi do
> you have to pay for 40Km.
> 
> Most taxi's have printed in the front a rate of
> Rs8.50 per Km but on
> asking we are told that is the rate after the first
> 80Kms.  Is this
> correct.
> 
> I personally think that the rate stated at the
> airport of Rs550 for the
> trip to Baga from Dabolim which equates to about
> 7GBP or 7 quid in my
> lingo is not bad value for money.  I get charged
> Rs100 for the trip from
> Baga to the Goan Heritage at Candolim which is about
> 1.20GBP and well
> worth it on a hot day. I have been told that the
> real fare is Rs80 for
> this trip but would not dream of asking for the
> change from a Rs100
> note.
> 
> I do find that the tourist taxi's do not like to
> give change and forget
> how to speak English if you present them with notes
> such as a Rs500 for
> a Rs380 trip but that rickshaw drivers and pilots
> always go into their
> pockets without any hesitation and present you with
> your change.
> 
> I guess the rickshaw and pilots have a different
> mindset. I tend to let
> them keep the change.
> 
> My biggest gripe with tourist taxis is the use of
> the horn and driving
> at speeds that terrify me. I always make a point of
> telling them to slow
> down and that i do not like the noise pollution. 
> Those who comply with
> my wishes get a tip  those who do not go without a
> tip.
> 
> I find the worst drivers are those at the airport
> and they appear to be
> trying to commit suicide on every trip. 
> 
> All in all my taxi bill for a month in Goa was not
> at all bad.  Rs4100
> including tips (51GBP)  To give some examples for
> comparison my beach
> shack bill was RS8160 (102GBP)  Dinners Rs 10180
> (127GBP)  Laundry
> RS1000 (13GBP)  Room RS14000 (175GBP)  Donations
> Rs3800 (48GBP) Lions
> Club Subs Rs3500 (44GBP)
> 
> So really taxis are not the rip of some people say
> they are.  It has to
> be considered that the cost of living has risen over
> the years and as
> more and more taxis came on the roads and the number
> of tourists
> remained static, then taxi drivers would get less
> per person.
> 
> Dave
> 
> -- 
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> Northumberland   
> NE64 6NL  UNITED KINGDOM
> 
> 
> 
>
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Re: [Goanet]RE: Caste and effects of debate.

[Mario Goveia]

"D'Souza, Avelino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Christianity existed in Goa much before the arrival
of Portuguese.

Mario replies:
I know Christianity existed in Kerala before the
Portuguese came to Goa, but not in Goa.  Maybe other
Goan historians can clarify Avelino's version that
Christianity existed in Goa much before the arrival of
the Portuguese.

Avelino writes:
> Why are you isolating the caste system to Catholic
community?  Why are you biased against other
communities?  Don't you like to deal with the
Caste system as an evil of Goan society?  Don't you
want all communities to be free from this evil?

Mario replies:
Avelino, find me ONE place I have said that I am
isolating the caste system to the Catholic community. 
All I have said is that I restrict myself to the
Catholic community because I belong to this community
and cannot preach to others when the system exists in
my own community.  I leave the Hindus to deal with
their community.  What don't you understand about
this?

Avelino writes:
> Mario, are you saying that caste system is good for
other communities whereas it is evil for Catholic
community?

Mario replies:
Avelino, where have you seen me say that?  I oppose
the caste system in all communities.  However, don't
you know that it is an integral part of the Hindu
religion, whereas it is against the fundamentals of
the Christian religion and only found among Christians
in India?  It is bad for EVERYONE because it is
discrimination based on factors that the person cannot
control and not on the character or achievements or
behavior of an individual.

Avelino writes:
> Mario, your ability to deal with caste system is
outdated and ill equipped.  Your "rave and rant"
approach will not lead you anywhere.  Your halfhearted
approach to deal with caste system
smells of sinister motives.  Your lackadaisical effort
and your repeated attempts to talk
about your sickness and old age as a deterrent to
deal firmly with caste system speak volumes of your
true intent.
> 
Mario replies:
You keep repeating stuff like a stuck record that I
have never said.  My approach is hardly half-hearted
or lackdaisical.  Actually, it is people like you who
stand in the way of getting rid of the caste system by
raising irrelevent issues and questions like wanting
to be told the "pros and cons" of the caste system, or
why I focus primarily on Catholics and not Hindus. 
All this shows you do not understand anything about
what is going on.

[Goanet]Centre plays safe on Goa, Sonia snubs MLAs -- From TOI

[Nagesh Bhatcar]

Centre plays safe on Goa, Sonia snubs MLAs
TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ WEDNESDAY, MARCH 09, 2005 11:32:50 PM ]
NEW DELHI: Congress chief Sonia Gandhi snubbed party's Goa legislators
who had come to New Delhi to seek resumption of "popular rule".
Although the 18 MLAs who claimed majority in the Goa assembly
were presented to President APJ Abdul Kalam and PM Manmohan Singh
separately, ostensibly in a bid to undo some of the damage caused
by the Jharkhand developments, it seemed clear that the party does
not want to reopen the Goa tinderbox by reviving the House that has
been kept under suspended animation.
It supported home minister Shivraj Patil's criticism of the way
the confidence vote that Pratapsinh Rane had won was conducted.
Nagesh Bhatcar

Re: [Goanet]Caste System in Goa

[Mario Goveia]

--- Milad Meah Meah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Caste System has nothing to do with Religion.
> System is 'System' = method of living Religion is
'Religion'= belief

Mario replies:
a) Why don't you have the guts to write under your own
name instead of hiding behind a Spicy Pork Dish?  What
are you afraid of?

b) The caste system is an integral part of the Hindu
religion.  If I am wrong I would like our Hindu
friends to correct me.

Spicy pork dish ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: 
> It is NOT a sin to belong to a Caste.
> It IS a sin to belong to another Religion.

Mario replies:
How is it a sin to belong to another religion, Mr.
Spicy Pork Dish?  Please clarify.

It is obviously not a sin to belong to a caste because
we had nothing to do with the caste we were born into.
 It is absolutely wrong for Christians to discriminate
against someone else because of their caste.  Whether
it is wrong for Hindus depends on what their religion
teaches.

Spicy pork dish ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> Those who go on and on and on about the Caste System
are those who wished they were born Brahmins; are now
psychologically traumatised and want to change the
system, over night, just coz they got access to a
'media type' of outlet.

Mario replies:
Some utter illogical nonsense by the "quickly getting
stale" Spicy Pork Dish.  I am willing to bet that the
anti-casters belong to all the castes, whereas the
pro-casters are probably all Brahmins (who else would
support this heinous system other than those who use
it to lay claim to some kind of bogus superiority?). 
Yes, I would like to change the system overnight, and
yes, I take advantage of every outlet I have access
to, and hope that my opposition gives some the moral
support that they need to oppose the system and/or
speak out against it.

Spicy Pork Dish writes:
> Caste System will stay, and HAS to stay.
> It still exists in UK. (Not like in India, but
similar)
> 
Mario replies:
Hey, this guy is a Brit.  I will leave it to Cornel
and Gabe to deal with him, that is, if they can find
him, since he hides his identity.

[Goanet]Political situation

[Soter D'souza]

Mathany Saldanha has started sermonising to Goans on principles and clean
politics when the party with which he has been associating and vehemently
defending does not have respect for the constitution nor the rights of
citizens to freedom of speech and religion. What  does Mathany have to say
about Black Friday? Does he need Satish Dhond and Parsekar of the BJP to
escort him.
Secondly who are Advani and Pramod Mahajan from Delhi to talk on behalf of
14 lakh people of Goa and demand dissolution? Is it the love of the people
that prompts them to demand for dissolution or is it the possibility of
skeletons  rolling out of the cupboards that is making them desperate? Once
dissolution is allowed the corrupt will go scot free and public attention
will also be diverted from BJP misrule. What gurantee do Goans have that
another election will not throw up a hung assembly and again the abuse of
democracy  perpetrated by both the National political partys.
While the people silently watch, the BJP is giving the impression to the
rest of the country that it enjoys the confidence of all Goans. If this
silence is continued then God save Goa and its democracy.
-Soter



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[Goanet]CYBERGOANS and Friends ..LETS meet and share our thoughts .................

[karla]

Those of you who are in Goa and can make it to EDC House[ Near Education 
Dept, Samrat Hotel] at 11.A.M. on 10 March, do come and share a few thoughts 
for Goa.

Miguel
- Original Message - 
From: "rene barreto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:08 PM
Subject: [VascokarsUnited] CYBERGOANS and Friends .LETS meet and 
share our thoughts .


Please circulate this post:
Call me at 9822689677 if you need any details.
rene
=
Rene, that unputdownable networker, phoned today  to say that he's 
planning  an informal meeting of friends (including those  on the 
VascokarsUnited  mailing list --  
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VascokarsUnited )

 Date  Thursday March 10, 2005
 Time  11 am  Venue NRI Cell, EDC House
 Two minutes from Panjim church or Mahalaxmi
temple  but along Atmaram Borkar Road.
If you can make it, it would be nice to see you
there! Bring along your
ideas for networking too ;-) FN

[Goanet]FRIDAY BALCAO:Genetically Modified Organisms (GMO), a consumer concern

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Re: [Goanet]CASTE AND COLOUR AMONG GOANS

[Mario Goveia]

--- Sanny Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In Goa Casteism still exist to the present time, but
the debate on the internet doesn’t say anything of
vital importance, such as, Why do we have these
differences among us? Or how can we put an end to
this? None wants to discuss this.

Mario replies:
Sanny, I'm not sure what you have been reading on this
thread, but you seem to have missed large sections of
the debate.  There has been much more said of "vital
importance" than you have said in your article, which
has repeated and summarized almost everything said by
many others:

a) Who cares anymore why we have these differences? 
The reasons may be interesting to some, but it is
irrelevent to those of us who want to abolish the
system.  It is certainly irrelevent, in fact, it is
insulting, to those on the "wrong end" of the caste
system, i.e. those who are being discriminated
against.

b) In a number of my posts on this subject, which
probably outnumber anyone else's posts in the last
couple of months, I have discussed what I do about the
caste system over and over again.  How could you have
missed these posts if you follow Goanet regularly?

If you are against the caste system, as I am, you need
to read all the posts about it and respond
specifically to those who question whether it exists,
those who want to do "research" to determine something
they find relevent about this heinous system, or those
who demand to know the "pros and cons" of the caste system.

[Goanet]RE: Ethel D'Costa - Goa, not for sale! - a response

[jose colaco]

Goa, not for sale!
By Ethel Da Costa -
submitted by author Mar 9, 2005  &  now on http://www.colaco.net
 a TGF response===
EDC1: We've become a joke.
TGF:  We know
EDC2: It is we, Goans, the common man on the street who fends for his daily 
bread and butter, who has been made to look like an ass.
TGF2: We know

EDC3: So much for being the country's No 1 State!
TGF3: One can be No 1 in anything...errlike stupidity...right?
EDC4: Utt Goenkara! Why are we still found dozing?
TGF4:  We don't knnnoow why!
EDC5:  It is time to say Goa is not a haven for political goondas. Goa has 
not been pawned to political hooligans. Goa will not be used and abused like 
a prostitute (even they exercise respect for their profession). Goa will not 
sell into the hands of political pimps and other lowly creatures who use 
force, intimidation and mobs to vent out their frustration when things don't 
go their way.
TGF5: OK we said all those thingt...now what? Can we go back to sleep and 
pretend that all and sundry is hunky dory?

EDC6: This is `murder of democracy,' when sycophants take to the streets and 
vandalise public and private property for being bad losers. We've seen 
examples of State sponsored vandalism in Mapusa, Fountainhas, Panjim and 
Vasco already.
TGF6: That couldn't be right.  Most of your colleagues are not saying that. 
It's only Ethel and a few of her sycophants who say that.

EDC7: These are the political parties that have us believe we can trust our 
fate in their hands. These are the leaders who promise to take Goa into the 
21st century? By destroying private property? By intimidating, threatening 
and causing bodily harm to members of the Press? By stone throwing and 
physical violence caused to citizens and to the Head of the State? By 
breaking the law, because for years they have been a law unto themselves?
TGF7: Wake up girl! This is what Liberation is all about. Where are you? 
still in the pre-1961 time warp?

EDC8: Is this the political party that, until a few months, was breast 
beating their victory for having 'developed' Goa?
TGF8: Party, it is! Hip Hip Hurray!

EDC9: We deserve it. Because we are blinded by money that political parties 
use to buy our silence and our values.
TGF9: Or we are blinded by a few fancy-pancy roads and some bridges which 
can be automatically closed for Bollywood parties.

EDC10: Friday's incidents unleashed by the Saffron brigade in the city was 
nothing short of an attempt to riot. And we almost got there, but for the 
timely presence of the cops, though I understand the cops too have yet to 
come to terms with shifted sentiments and loyalties with a change in power. 
But a situation well controlled, nevertheless.
TGF10: Hey, you know what happens when you add Saffron to your food? Too 
much makes it bitter remember. And.there is always a price to pay for 
Saffron! It is expensive stuff.

EDC11:  It forces you to pause and ask yourself where we are heading? Where 
is Goa heading?
TGF11: Oh Oh!

EDC12: We are party to this instability because our voices are heavy with 
guilt. Our shoulders burdened with the weight of an uneasy conscience.
TGF12: Touché

EDC13: We agree we have been let down, time and again. But do we agree that 
we have been party to this haven of criminals all intent to rule the State 
their way?
TGF13: Never! Not us! after we kicked out those bad Portuguese, NO criminals 
have remained in Goa.

EDC14: Why don't we realize that we have an active role to play in deciding 
the future of Goa with our participation in State building, as much as we 
have the power to decide the leader who will lead the State to perpetual 
prosperity?
TGF14: Must be the caju feni we have been drinkingor the Metahnyized 
water. Are you listen Mr Oliveira or Mr. Saldanha?

EDC15: We must ask for better choices. We must encourage new faces to take 
on the lead and support them. We must demand better manifestos that keep Goa 
as the Number One priority before their pockets.
TGF15: Naka goh bai. Amka ani naka tem choices boices. This Tiatr is Faaan 
Nn?

EDC16: Maybe its time for a third front?
TGF16: Yes Yes. Every couple years, we have a new Third Front with New name. 
That is besht. This time new one: Goa bachao Andolan Samiti Sammelan 
Parrrty. As long as there is Parrrty and Goa in it, you are guaranteed two 
votes.

EDC17: So, who fires this gun?
TGF17: (typical Goemcar response) - you first!
with much love to our dear Ethel - one of the few consistently "right on" 
voices among the Goan so called press.

TGF
March 9, 2005
BTW: ->
EDC18: Goa, not for sale!
TGF18: Sorry dear EDC. Goa has been sold a long time ago while Caju Feni was 
flowing, "They" were towing Goa right in front of the eyes of the "Goanese".

And what did the "Goanese" say?   two things
1. Aum Saiba  Poltiddi vetam
2. Bhalle Bhalle Bhalle!
(;-)
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Re: [Goanet]BJP To resign en masse

[lino dourado]

--- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Dissolve assembly or BJP MLAs will resign: Mahajan

 RESPONSE: Why don't they just do it! It's like the
 kid on the block -
 it's my ball and the game is over.
  
 Cheers,
 
 Gabe Menezes.
 London, England

Hi Gabe,

I also sometimes wonder why the politicians just
talk-talk and talk. Why don’t they act immediately?

 Lino Dourado
(Utodd'ddekar)


 
 

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[Goanet]Stop Murdering Democracy

[lino dourado]

  Stop murdering democracy
The Asian Age India | Siddhartha Reddy 

Good Morning, Soniaji. This is your wake-up call.
Coffee is on the way. What do you want on today's
political menu?" "Thank you, Manmohanji. I want Goa
for breakfast, Jharkhand for lunch and Bihar for
dinner."

"On the way, Soniaji. I will direct Chefs Jamir,
Sibtey and Buta. Bon appetit. Have a nice day."

"Thanks, but on March 10, after the high court unseats
40 SP MLAs who defected from the BSP, I want Mulayam
for dessert!"

The above, obviously an imaginary conversation, it
seems, is just what Manmohan Singh is capable of. He
is the first Prime Minister who isn't prime
ministerial. Manmohan must not forget the oath he took
to protect the Constitution. And Sonia Gandhi must
accept responsibility and sack her working committee.

She has hurt the Communists by unwisely making
Manmohan invite Mamata Banerjee to join the Cabinet.
She has displeased Karunanidhi by not removing
Jayalalitha and by strategising to weaken the DMK in
Tamil Nadu. She has violated the single largest
party's rights, snatching the chief minister's post
from the NCP in Maharashtra. She has not delivered
Telangana and weakened Shibu Soren by destabilising
the electoral fortunes of the JMM in Jharkhand. She
also tried decimating Lalu in connivance with Paswan.

Thus she has lost the moral authority to be the UPA
chairperson. The allies, pressurised her to prove her
loyalty to the coalition as otherwise they would form
an alternate government, even by taking the BJP's
outside support. Hence, to save her position as UPA
chairperson, she conspired to negate the voters'
mandate in Jharkhand and Bihar.

Incidentally, if Bihar gets a President's Rule, it
will be unchecked Lalu rule, as the governor and all
advisers will be Lalu loyalists.

Thanks to Sonia Gandhi and L.K. Advani, the first-ever
BJP-Congress tactical alliance was created in Haryana
to defeat Om Prakash Chautala, Lalu in Bihar and Soren
in Jharkhand. Congress lists were showed to the BJP
before finalising the candidates. And BJP tickets were
allotted according to Congress-prepared lists. 

Allegedly, Sushma Swaraj in Haryana, Yashwant Sinha in
Jharkhand and Modi in Bihar denied dedicated BJP
karyakartas to impose candidates who were
certain-losers. Had they not damaged the BJP,
governors wouldn't have come into play. The BJP could
have avoided a Haryana massacre.

While governor Syed Sibte Razi is a shame, the BJP is
forgetting that in 1996, a BJP-Shiv Sena-Akali Dal
alliance had just 185 MPs out of 543. Not one of the
remaining 358 MPs expressed support. Yet, President
S.D. Sharma swore in a BJP-led government which ruled
India for 13 days, without a mandate. On the 13th day,
during discussion on the confidence vote, the
about-to-lose BJP government conducted a Cabinet
meeting during lunch break and cleared the corrupt
Enron deal. 

In Goa, the BJP lured the Congress MLAs to swear in a
BJP government by governor Mohd. Fazal. In Arunachal
Pradesh, the BJP converted a Congress government into
a BJP government blessed by governor Arvind Dave. In
2001, in Manipur, the BJP swallowed the entire
Congress government by converting it into an NDA
government facilitated by governor Dave. 

Advani's politics is convoluted. The RJD did not get
the mandate. It's a hung Assembly. So the RJD does not
have the right to govern Bihar. Similarly, in
Jharkhand, the BJP government lost its majority. It's
a hung Assembly. Voters threw out Arjun Munda and the
BJP. Yet, the party re-elected Munda as the leader and
wants to govern Jharkhand. His infectious political
morality certainly inspired Soren and Razi.

In 2000, Nitish did not have a majority. He had fewer
MLAs than required, with not even a ghost of a chance
of securing a majority. Yet Advani made governor Vinod
Pande install Nitish as chief minister and give him 21
days to prove his majority. On the 21st day Nitish
resigned without facing a confidence vote. Now, Advani
opposes the governor's move to swear in Rabri Devi. 

As for Ram Vilas Paswan, he wants to be UPA minister
but he also wants the NDA to make him chief minister.
Otherwise, he seeks a coalition with the BJP's ally,
with his brother as deputy CM. Else, he wants
President's Rule. The BJP-Congress strategic interests
desire Paswan as CM because that will isolate Lalu. If
Lalu has his way, then Paswan will be thrown out of
the Cabinet in May. 

Just 74 seats for the RJD out of a total of 243 seats,
mean a loud "no" from the Biharis. That mandate must
be respected. The best way to resolve the situation is
to hold fresh elections. This time the Biharis will
give a clear verdict.

Political morality and a Congress government can only
be an impossible coincidence. It has been so right
from the time of Nehru. The Congress had agreed to two
Muslim League ministers, coalition partners in United
Provinces (UP). After the elections, two Congress
Muslims were sworn in, but the Muslim League was kept
out. Angry, the Musl

[Goanet]Resist Academic Abuse in Goa.

[sebastian Rodrigues]

   9th March 2005,
Dear Friends,

Here I share some of the responses to my earlier two mails- Horror at Goa 
University and Goa Scholars calls for the battle. My thanks to all of you 
and request to be with me in this battle. Since some of you have expressed 
wish to meet up with the director and urged me to take appointment in this 
regard, I must tell you'll that director of Centre for Latin American 
studies, Goa University, Goa is exteremely secretive and does not tolerate 
any member of public questioning him. I have a humiliating experience twice, 
first when on 18th February 2005 he told my brother with me to get out of 
the office. It is only when I protested that I would walk out along with my 
brother that he was rendered helpless. Then he insulted and humiliated him 
as well. Then when my family decided that for the proposed meeting in the 
University on 7th March 2005 my brother too be along with me; the suggestion 
was not only shot down but also attempts were made to arm-twist him. Hence 
this meeting was boycotted.

In this situation I am in no position to take appointment on behalf of 
anybody. Here therefore I share some details with you'll to get across to 
the Director yourselves.
Prof. V. Shivkumar, Director, Centre for Latin American Studies, Goa 
University, Talegao Plateu, Goa 403 206 INDIA Phone: 91-832-2451347 Extn 244 
 Fax: +91-832-2451184
Residence Phone: 91-832-2452366 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fight against Academic abuse in Goa has just began: express your thoughts, 
gather your courage and come forward.

My remaining fellowship amount of over 18,000/- is not yet released. My 
percentage for theory papers have been 67% and my thesis director claims is 
of 8th standard boy. And now claims he said it casually! Look at the quality 
of casual talk- absolutely sickening and not speak about demoraling agenda 
he carries along with as his life mission. It is now upto thinking and 
daring public teach this director a lesson sooner the better. Or else 
harrasment to young research scholars in the name of sancrosanct Academics 
will continue unabated.

In Solidarity,
Sebastian Rodrigues,
Research Scholar, Centre for Latin American Studies, Goa University, Goa.
Phone: (R) 91-832-2272164 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Here are some responses I reproduce for further debate and action.
dear seby,
I am with you for your struggle for justice, I can understand the level of 
furstration that chokes thee, Academics is no longer a temple of knowledge, 
it's business time my friend ... the survival of the 'fittest manipulator.' 
Degrees are for sale including PhDs or come with a price to pay... and mind 
you i am not talking of hard labour. Registering for a PhD is akin to 
joining the slave market... judge this with the countless people mascarading 
with doctorates. They have learnt to crawl when meerly asked to bend. This 
way the best manipulators surive ... academicians welcome to the world of 
social butterflies. God help our education system, as for me i state that i 
was born intelligent but the education system has killed it.
regards
beethoven.


Dear Seby,
Work is thy duty, reward is not thy concern. This is what Krishna said to 
Arjuna at Kurushetra. You have to perform your duties of standing up to 
these people who have hegemonistic designs. You should not let these power 
mongers have a free time. And don't let such psycophants trample you. I can 
sense corruption and fraud in this university. There is definitely something 
wrong with this situation. How come this centre has produced only one Ph.d 
student in last so many years. why are they throwing tantrums in releasing 
your money (meant for "public" consumption). How come your '"8th standard 
thesis'' got "wiped out" from the computer, assuming everything else was 
intact. Why should knowlege be a domain of few "selected" people. Somebody 
has to standup to this unbridled fury. I'm happy, as usual, that you are the 
torch bearer. keep walking. Main Akela hee chala tha; Jaanib-e-Manzil Magar, 
Humsafar miltey gaye; Aur Kaarvaan banta gaya
(All alone I took the vagrant path towards my destined goal;But people kept 
joining me
And it became a caravan.) --- Majrooh Sultanpuri
Keep up your fight against this gross injustice. I am with you.
Happiness always,
Satish

Lets take stock of the use/misuse of funds.Trust that the current posture 
would bring in a discernible segment of the Goan Public to peep boldly into 
the innards of University functioning. Regards,
Gerry.

February 22 2005
Dear Seby,
Greetings !
Though I must confess that this is nothing new in academic institutions - 
temples of learning - in India but I am happy to know that people has not 
yet stopped responding to it. So, I must congratulate you for taking up 
cudgels against it and bringing it in public even at the cost of your own 
academic future. You know this is the story ever

[Goanet]Part II of Vajpayee indictment.

[Gabe Menezes]

http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/09inter1.htm

In the second part of the interview granted to Congress legislator
from Kerala P T Thomas that appeared in the Malayalam monthly Manava
Samskriti, and reproduced here with its kind permission, former
President K R Narayanan accuses the Bharatiya Janata Party of
scuttling his chances of securing a second term. An interview
translated from the Malayalam by Deputy Managing Editor George Iype.

Part I: 'Vajpayee govt supported Gujarat riots'

People looked forward to your second term as the President of India.
Who scuttled your chance?

It is the BJP that scuttled my second term as President. The Left
parties came to me with a proposal that I should stand for a second
term. I asked them then where could I get the numbers to win. They
kept quiet.

The BJP government that had come into power had a hidden agenda in
many sectors including education. Securing the reins of education to
spread their ideology was their aim. I had intervened in the
appointment of certain vice-chancellors. Those, including Murli
Manohar Joshi (the then human resources development minister) had
resentment about that. My interventions were democratic and
constitutional. Above all, the interests of secularism were involved.

They had received legal advice on the possibility of my intervention
if I continued in the President's office. At a certain stage, they
told me they had decided not to support anybody for more than one term
in the posts of President and vice-president. Their aim was to get rid
of me and they carried out that mission quite efficiently.

They might have thought it would be difficult for them to lead the
government with a person ideologically poles apart occupying the
office of President. They came to power with the intention to
implement lots of hidden agendas in the country. They must have felt
uncomfortable executing these agendas in my presence.

You have occupied several top posts such the President,
vice-president, Central minister and vice-chancellor. What were your
satisfaction, limitations and guilt feelings while in power?

I knew there were many limitations while I exercise my powers.
Therefore, I always exercised powers after thinking a lot. Many people
try to utilise powers without discretion and discrimination. I feel
that those exercising their authority and powers should have maturity,
tolerance and vision.

I enjoyed the most in power while I was the vice-chancellor of the
Jawaharlal Nehru University. In fact, the post was not about power. It
was a social job involving culture and education of the country. I got
political knowledge and experience while I was at JNU. The
relationships with the JNU teachers and students helped me a lot in
becoming a good politician. The JNU experience was the basis of my
political work.

As the President of India, I had lots of experiences that were full of
pain and helplessness. There were occasions when I could do nothing
for people and for the nation. These experiences have pained me a lot.
They have depressed me a lot. I have agonised because of the
limitations of power. Power and the helplessness surrounding it is a
peculiar tragedy, in fact.

But I have never felt guilty about my decisions as President of India.
But there were certain decisions of mine, which resulted in big
setbacks making me think I should not have taken those decisions. For
instance, I returned the Gujral government's request to dissolve the
Uttar Pradesh assembly and government. I did it because I felt
Constitutionally I was doing the right thing. But the occurrences
later on proved that politically what I did was not correct.

The BJP played politics in UP by utilising the services of the Speaker
there. It had a long impact on Indian politics itself. The BJP came to
power in UP and at the Centre, largely because of this incident. If
the Gujral government had come once again to me with the proposal, I
would have signed it. But it never came thinking I would return it
once again.

What prompted you to enter into full-fledged politics?

To be frank, I did not do anything deliberately to enter active
politics. But I always had in my mind an urge to do something for the
people through politics. I got the inspiration and support to enter
politics from Indira Gandhi. Those days, I was the JNU
vice-chancellor. But by the time I was preparing to contest my first
parliamentary election in 1984, Indira Gandhi was killed.

When I came to Kerala as a Lok Sabha candidate from Ottappalam, many
Congress leaders in the state were dissatisfied. My well-wishers also
were upset because I decided to contest in a constituency where the
Communists had the upper hand. In fact, senior leaders like K
Karunakaran did not come to campaign for me in Ottappalam.

They all thought that I would never win from there. But as the polls
came near, Congress workers were working for me day and night, and it
made lots of impact resulting in my success. Despite me winning three
consecuti

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DROWNING VICTIM IS Croatian Speaker's son.When
Calangute police found a body floating in a rivulet
in Nerul on February 26, little did they realise
that the deceased would be identified a week
later as the only son of Croatian Speaker of
Parliament Vladimir Seks. Domagoj Seks (26),
believed to be a trance DJ, died due to drowing
and there were no external injuries on the body,
according to the Police. (Herald)
Gomantak Times says: "While the events leading to
Domagoj's death remain a mystery, officials speculate
that he was sitting on a rock when he was possibly
hit by a wave and drowned."

GOVERNMENT WILL SEE that the people don't suffer,
says Chief Secretary Ms Kiran Dhingra. (Navhind Times)

FULL-DAY SCHOOL proposal in Goa, which received
strong opposition during the Parrikar regime, is
being pursued again, sources said. (H)

o DISSOLVE ASSEMBLY or the BJP MLAs will resign, warns Pramod Mahajan,
  national general secretary of the BJP. (NT) BJP MLAs threaten to quit if
  House is not dissolved, says Gomantak Times.  Dissolve House, recall
  Jamir, or else (BJP) MLAs will quit, threatens Mahajan. (H)

o GOA CONGRESS leaders, irked over the abrupt decision to
  implement President's Rule, have left for New Delhi,
  along with one MGP MLA and three former MLAs. (NT)
o CONGRESS MLAs to meet Sonia today. (H)
o PM, PRESIDENT Kalam discuss issue of Central rule in Goa. (NT)

ZILLA PANCHAYAT elections sees lacklustre campaigning
in North Goa. (NT)
GIVE ZILLA PANCHAYATS more powers and funds, says
South Goa zilla panchayat chief Nelly Rodrigues. (NT)   

o RANE GOVERNMENT'S PARTING GIFT: Development on slopes 
  halted to protect ecology. (GT)

NEWS FROM BAHRAIN: Gulf Daily News says a Goan employee
was tied to a chair, as four sword-wielding robbers struck
at a petrol station and decamped with 200 dinars. The
ambushed employee was identified as Rajaram Naik (44) from
the Budaiya Service Station, near the Toyota showroom.
He has been in Bahrain for 12 years, Herald quotes GDN.

KONKANI WRITER Ives Tavares has launched a new
newspaper called 'Savli' (Shadow). (H)

Google news alerts headlines http://news.google.com:
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o Goa, Jharkhand, Bihar have dented Cong & UPA image, says Advani
o President, PM discuss Central rule in Bihar, Goa (Sify)
o Goa back to old unstable political days (Economic Times)
o Auto Corp of Goa: Gains on demand hopes (Sify)
o NDA demands dissolution of Goa Assembly (Sify)
o Churchill looking to upset Sporting (New Kerala)
o Congress directed Governors: BJP (Financial Express)
o Croatian official's son drowns in Goa (NDTV.com)

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VILLAGE GOA
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o CANACONA: Cuncolim Police Inspector Manjunath Desai was 
  felicitated at a function at Chauri. (H)
o CANACONA: Former Congress and ex-BJP MLA Isidore Fernandes
  optimistic that bye-elections will bring Congress back. (H)
o CURCHOREM: Local community split over tussle between
  politicians and chief officer in municipality. (H)
o FATORDA: Our Lady of Rosary Primary School got a new building
  at Fatorda recently. (H)
o GUIRIM: Popular inspirational film 'Radio' will be screened
  at Guirim at Freedom Foundation, opp Hotel Green Park, 5 pm.
o PALE: Ankush B Kamat has been appointed as the Pale Youth 
  Congress committee president by Girish Chodankar, GYPCC chief.(H)

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SPORTS
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o DEMPO has a mountain to climb in Lebanon. The Federation Cup
  champions is making their debut on the international stage,
  when they tak on Lebanese side Al Ahed in the AFC cup on 
  Wednesday at the Beirut Municipal Stadium on March 9. (H)
o SRI LANKAN striker Kasun Naadika Jeyasuriya is out of
  the Dempo AFC Cup opener, after being forced out due to
  'technical flaws' 

[Goanet]Goa in crisis........good read.

[Gabe Menezes]

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1044018.cms

Goa in crisis: A tale of three men in a boat 
PRAKASH KAMAT

TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ MONDAY, MARCH 07, 2005 11:38:22 PM]

PANAJI: It's been one crazy month for Goa. The state has seen the
demise of two governments and the imposition of President's Rule. Now,
it's back to susegado, at least for the moment.

And, what's happened to the protagonists of this political drama?
Manohar Parrikar's image of being a stable CM is in tatters. Five of
his party's MLAs deserted and a couple of alliance partners also went
their separate ways.

Even the Goa BJP's image took a beating. Its claim that it is the only
party unaffected by defections was shattered by the MLA exodus. The
exit of Digambar Kamat hit the party especially hard.

Meanwhile, Mr Parrikar's detractors have made him out to be an
"autocratic leader who ruled with an iron fist, intrigue and political
manipulations".

But Mr Parrikar has surprised many. He has emerged as a leader who
refused to give up. So much so that his detractors have called him a
bad loser. Not only has he got the national leaders to take up his
cause , he's even taken the fight to the enemy camp.

How? He has taken the dismissal of his government by Governor SC Jamir
to the national stage. In fact, things became so hot for the Congress
(especially after Shibu Soren got himself ensconced in the chair in
Jharkhand) that the Centre was forced to send the Congress government
the same way.

Manohar Parrikar's clearly tasted blood. Now, he wants more â Recall
of Mr Jamir and dissolution of the Assembly. He knows that most of the
five Assembly constituencies slated for bye-elections are
Catholic-dominated. This reduces the BJP's chances of getting back
power.  Mr Parrikar has made mistakes. The freedom struggle CD raised
the hackles of the Goa Church and its flock. The manner in which BJP
speaker Vishwas Satarkar handled Filipe Neri Rodrigues after he
dissociated himself from the party doesn't seem to have gone down well
with the Catholic base either.

Mr Digambar Kamat's exit â he was a non-RSS BJP leader âhas further
eroded the BJP's secular support base. The alleged hooliganism of BJP
supporters at Raj Bhavan, where they had gathered to demand the
dismissal of the Congress government didn't do much for the BJP's
image further.

Does that mean the Congress is on a home run? No. First, it manifested
unwarranted haste in pulling down the BJP-led coalition ostensibly in
a hurry to oust Mr Parrikar who many Congressmen perceived as a
threat.

Mr Parrikar's social security schemes gave him credits in almost every
stratum of society. Further, the Opposition believed that his
aggressive stylewas vindictive many former Congress ministers and CMs
feared that he would order various probes, thereby endangering their
future in politics.

However, the Congress failed to muster the numbers. Many now see the
party as an impulsive de-stabiliser. Moreover, its decision to induct
BJP deserters like Atanacio Monserrate, Isidore Fernandes, Micky
Pacheco and Pandurang Madkaikar raised questions of political
morality.

Notwithstanding the BJP's criticism, it was not Governor Jamir's
action of dismissing the Parrikar government that disturbed the
people, but the haste with which he inducted the Rane government.
That's where he went wrong in the public eye.
-- 
Cheers,

Gabe Menezes.
London, England

[Goanet]Venita Dias' poems

[Cecil Pinto]

Venita posted her lovely poem on Women's Day yesterday.
Before her poems become popular, as they certainly will, and Fred claims 
that it was GoaNet that helped Venita to find her 'voice', I would like to 
point out to everyone that Venita has been writing beautiful poetry for 
quite some time now and her poems can be read at:
www.poetry.com

Just type "Dias" and "Venita" to get a selection of her poems.
Cecil
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[Goanet]BJP To resign en masse

[Gabe Menezes]

http://www.navhindtimes.com/stories.php?part=news&Story_ID=030928

Dissolve assembly or BJP MLAs will resign: Mahajan
NT News Service
Margao March 8: After five days of the imposition of the President's
rule in Goa, the national general secretary of the Bharatiya Janata
Party, Mr Pramod Mahajan today came out with the demand for
dissolution of the state legislative assembly or, he warned all the 16
sitting BJP MLA's would resign en-mass forcing dissolution.

RESPONSE: Why don't they just do it! It's like the kid on the block -
it's my ball and the game is over.
 
Cheers,

Gabe Menezes.
London, England

[Goanet]RE: GOA/Konkani: A NEW 'Naming Game'

[D'Souza, Avelino]

Hi Lino,

I do remember the song from "Amchem Noxib".  Festa dis, ferient mis is
right!  It was difficult to resist the feri, kermess, godgodo and fozne.
KISS was entirely alien then. -:)



Avelino
Bastora/Kuwait


lino dourado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote

Hi Avelino,

And above all "Festa dis, ferient Mis. Chedde
cheddvank ditat KISS" Remember the song or mando from
the film 'Amchem Noxib'?

Lino Dourado


--- "D'Souza, Avelino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Novena, Salve, Confre, Maadi, brass band played in
> the early hours,
> Madachi Sur, Armosanv, young girls with pinups(small
> paper flowers)
> waiting near the church to welcome the parishioners,
> silver ware for the
> altars, special Angostram for priests and altar
> boys, Irmao, new clothes
> and new shoes, Pursanv, Fogotio ani
> Kombo-kombi(firework)
> 
> 
> Avelino
> Bastora/Kuwait
> 
> 
> 
> From: Vasu Raekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Vespra, Kermess, Ghonnal, 'Festa korta Gaum
> Padvigarachem naum'.
> Rgds Vasu
> 
> Subject: [Goanet]GOA/Konkani:  A NEW  'Naming 
>  Game'   ( Starting soon )
>  Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org
> 
> 
>  Soon Coming up a series of 'Naming
> Games' in 
>  KONKANI on Goa or Goa related
> topics.
> 
>  e.g.  Topic: Feast (FEST)
> 
>  All you have to do is recollect and
> name any 
>  thing that relates to FEST (above)
> like
>  FOZNE, KADDDIO-BODDIO, CHONNE,
> BONDERAM, MIS, 
>  SAN'NAM, VODDE, SORPOTEL, PIRJENT
>  (PRESIDENT), OFF-MUS ETC.

[Goanet]Ethel D'Costa gives a 'call to arms' through her column in Herald

[Cecil Pinto]

HEART 2 HEART
By Ethel Da Costa
Goa, not for sale!
Listen up, members of the Congress, BJP and the lackeys and chamchas who 
derive their self-importance hanging around these guys. We've had it up to 
our eyeballs. We've become a joke. And it's beginning to cause nausea. It's 
simply not funny anymore. We're now saying, enough is enough. We've 
tolerated too much nonsense from these power hungry brokers. Believe us 
when we say they care nothing about Goa, except themselves. They have 
nothing to lose because their Swiss banks are well stocked. It is we, 
Goans, the common man on the street who fends for his daily bread and 
butter, who has been made to look like an ass. For abusing the only weapon 
of democracy in our hands - the right to vote - by voting not leaders, but 
political pimps into power. I believe these political parties are soon 
going to turn us all into a population of asses. So much for being the 
country's No 1 State!

We've had enough. Goa has had enough. It is time to revolt by using the 
power of reason and thinking, since elections will be round the corner 
soon. Yet again. It is time for the citizen to unite, to take stock, to 
assert what is good for him and the future of his children. If you sell 
your soul for the money they throw at your feet, remember that you alone 
are responsible for the ruin of your State. Bad money brings only bad curses.

Utt Goenkara! Why are we still found dozing? It is time to say Goa is not a 
haven for political goondas. Goa has not been pawned to political 
hooligans. Goa will not be used and abused like a prostitute (even they 
exercise respect for their profession). Goa will not sell into the hands of 
political pimps and other lowly creatures who use force, intimidation and 
mobs to vent out their frustration when things don't go their way. This is 
`murder of democracy,' when sycophants take to the streets and vandalise 
public and private property for being bad losers. We've seen examples of 
State sponsored vandalism in Mapusa, Fountainhas, Panjim and Vasco already. 
These have been our benchmarks in good governance. These are the political 
parties that have us believe we can trust our fate in their hands. These 
are the leaders who promise to take Goa into the 21st century? By 
destroying private property? By intimidating, threatening and causing 
bodily harm to members of the Press? By stone throwing and physical 
violence caused to citizens and to the Head of the State? By breaking the 
law, because for years they have been a law unto themselves? Is this the 
political party that, until a few months, was breast beating their victory 
for having 'developed' Goa? I hang my dead in shame. Goa should too, after 
seeing flashes of 'our democracy' telecasted to the rest of the world. How 
well we are progressing, no? All this horse-trading, this bargaining and 
bartering our values, tradition, principles and self respect for voting 
civilized thieves to power. We deserve it. Because we are blinded by money 
that political parties use to buy our silence and our values. Fast money 
comes so easy during election time, isn't it?

Friday's incidents unleashed by the Saffron brigade in the city was nothing 
short of an attempt to riot. And we almost got there, but for the timely 
presence of the cops, though I understand the cops too have yet to come to 
terms with shifted sentiments and loyalties with a change in power. But a 
situation well controlled, nevertheless. It forces you to pause and ask 
yourself where we are heading? Where is Goa heading?
As we get pushed into another bout of elections and the common man reels 
under yet another drama of musical chairs, Goa's end of innocence is almost 
nigh, because we have contributed to her destruction. We are party to this 
instability because our voices are heavy with guilt. Our shoulders burdened 
with the weight of an uneasy conscience. We agree we have been let down, 
time and again. But do we agree that we have been party to this haven of 
criminals all intent to rule the State their way? Why don't we realize that 
we have an active role to play in deciding the future of Goa with our 
participation in State building, as much as we have the power to decide the 
leader who will lead the State to perpetual prosperity? We must ask for 
better choices. We must encourage new faces to take on the lead and support 
them. We must demand better manifestos that keep Goa as the Number One 
priority before their pockets. Maybe its time for a third front? A new 
beginning of conscientiousness citizens fuelled by fresh idealism and youth 
power to give a voice to her young dreams. The old cronies then can be 
booted out to retire. So, who fires this gun?

[Goanet]Statement by K R Narayanan Former President

[Gabe Menezes]

The BJP played politics in UP by utilising the services of the Speaker
there. It had a long impact on Indian politics itself. The BJP came to
power in UP and at the Centre, largely because of this incident. If
the Gujral government had come once again to me with the proposal, I
would have signed it. But it never came thinking I would return it
once again.
-- 
Cheers,

Gabe Menezes.
London, England

[Goanet]Re: An Old Woman's Skin

[P D]

<>
We indeed owe our existence and gratitude to our mothers, Genie :)

[Goanet]Dancing is my passion... says Jason (By Blessy Thomas)

[Goanet Reader]

DANCING IS MY PASSION, LET IT NOT BE A BURDEN -- JASON

He definitely fits the bill -- luminous eyes and hands that gesture
with a dancer's grace. He is Goa's dance idol, getting scores of
eager students to thump, bump, and grand to dance rhythms. His
electric presence makes you forget that there are other people on
the floor. And, in case you missed him set the stage on fire at the
2002 Asian Games, then don't worry. He's here for you. Presenting
the very sensational Jason, of the Jason-Sylvia school fame.

BLESSY THOMAS profiles what she learnt while getting to know this versatile
dancer better... read on.

-
Q: Nowadays, the term 'fusion' has been greatly hyped and associated with
dance. What is your view on this form of dance? 
-

Jason: Actually, it's a great blend of different forms of dance. If
coordinated and synchronised well, it is a pleasure to perform. But the sad
part is nowadays it is a highly misunderstood concept. 

In fact, our performance at the Asian Games was supposedly a kind of fusion
dance.

-
Q: You got to showcase your talent in front of a large and distinguished
audience at the Asian Games. Tell us something about that experience.
-

Jason (smiling): Mind blowing! We interacted with so many other performers
and made many new friends. Yes... (laughs), what more? It may sound like a
cliche, but it was truly an unforgettable experience.

-
Q: You have been teaching dance for the past 15 years. You must have had
enriching experiences and scores of students. Anyone outstanding?
-

Jason: Hey... all my students are outstanding. (Breaks into a laugh.) No,
seriously, all are good. Nevertheless, I would like to mention two, Dr
Indira Noronha and Steve Lewis, who now are instructors themselves. It is
nice to see them so confident and passionate about what they do.

-
Q: So then, are you a workaholic?
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Jason: No, not all all. Moreover, I do not intend being one either. Dancing
is my passion and if I tax myself too much, then it will be a burden to me.
I do not want that to happen. 

-
Q: What do you see as the two crucial factors to be kept in mind while you
are in the instructor's shoes?
-

Jason: Hmmm... patience, patience and loads of patience. No, do not laught!
Some are so stiff that all I keep saying is, loosen up and flow with the
music. Yeah, yeah, it can get on your nerves at times.

-
Q: What about those who claim to have two left feet?
-

Jason: Aha! (Laughs.) It's just an excuse to stay off the dance floor.
(Laughs again.)

-
Q: Do you think dancing is an innate quality or a God's gift to a talented
few?
-

Jason: Yes, it is true that some are born with that grace and poise. But, at
least I believe that dancing is something that anyone can pickup and polish.
With very little effort.

-
Q: Bollywood has now started revising their dance styles. Do you think these
changes are here to stay?
-

Jason: Oh please! Not those 'jhatkaas' and 'matkaas'. All they do is ape the
West. Actually, I call them 'Rap-scrap'. How much of it can you tolerate?

- 
Q: Music, they say, is food for the soul. Then what would dance be?
-

Jason (promptly): Dessert! (Laughs.)

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Q: Who is the woman behind this successful man?
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Jason: My mother.

-
Q: Finally, in front of the mirror, Jason is a  ?
-

Jason: Five feet, pony-tailed wacko. (Laughs loudly.) No, no. Don't write
that. Actually deep