[Goanet]Migration: Opportunities for children or wanderlust
Among other things, Cecil wrote: I have heard stories of qualified professionals in Australia (and elsewhere) doing menial jobs as there are no job opportunities in their particular field. Isn't that then a waste of an education? Not to say the problem does not exist in India, but we do admit to it... ___ Well Cecil,you too have written well, but then that's what you always do, much to the delight of Goans who read Goanet! What you said above is true. But you have to remember that it applies to you and me who think of migrating with their grey hairs on! It is difficult as you rightly said, for qualified professionals who migrate, to get job opportunities in their particular field. But that is not the case with the young ones who live and qualify here. Somehow there is a problem with us getting jobs in our field, however highly qualified we may be. But the kids start right away, and that makes the difference. The young ones have open doors in any careers of their choice in this country. You also spoke about education and careers in detail. Well, I do believe that one needs a good educational background for any career of choice. While there are lots of career opportunities in India, we still hear of many companies showing preference to overseas qualified candidates as compared to the local ones. This is not something new anyway. Even in our time, we used to envy the foreign returned blokes to took over [talk of Harvard etc!!] And we cannot deny the fact that this area is still lacking in many respects in amchem Goem. Maybe with time, things will change and our grandchildren or great grandchildren will be the beneficiaries. But for now, the overseas options seems to be better for the children. For your information, when i first landed here in melbourne 5 years ago, it was very difficult for me to start in my field of expertise. I just could not get anywhere and drew a blank wall wherever I tried. It was very frustrating. Here employers seek local expererience, and without that it is difficult. I do know of guys making it in their lines of expertise, but many including me did not. Out of desperation I took on a job in a factory in order to survive with my family. There were lots of fears, and fear can drive one to the wall. But guess what? I enjoyed coming home after the first day at work. I could just put my feet up, and relax without any work stress whatsoever!!! That was a great feeling, so much so, that I decided that I would do just that for some time! After a year, I decided that I wanted to continue in this new line, but realized that I would not have the energy to continue at the pace I was on. So the next step I took was to qualify myself locally, after which I got a promotion and I am very happy now in the Automobile manufacturing industry. I am relaxed at work, and there is no stress as compared to the time when I spent about 17 years dedicated to Purchasing followed by the manufacture of Linda's Bebinca in Goa! And the cycle continues. Right now I have a qualified dentist on my assembly line. Two months ago I had a young guy from Tamil Nadu who had a masters in Engineering, but like me could not get an entry. He worked with me for about eight months, but now managed to get a very good job in his line with a Telephone provider here, and is very happy with his success. So you see, it is a matter of choices, and not a matter of running down Goa or wanderlust as some may think. The benefits are there too. We do afford more, live better than we ever did, but then that comes with the package I suppose! And at the core of that big package lies a lot of hard work!
Re: [Goanet]THINK TANK: THE CHALLENGE
Philip Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How many goanetters are there who are "obsessed" > about shedding light on Goa's fundamental > problems? Note that defining a problem correctly may > be half the battle won. Philip, I remember there being a reluctance at Tanzanet too for the first few people to sign up. Things changed when one member's paper got him a consulting contract with the World Bank. Another contributor is now the Deputy Foreign Minister of Tanzania. A regular poster here has just set up a private forum on Yahoo. It works real well. I am sure he would be willing to set up the platform for a think tank. All you need is another five people and a seed can be planted for Goa and Goans. Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [Goanet]PM CALLS OFF VISIT ON GOA REVOLUTION DAY
Halur Rasho, It appears from your posting that you have prejudice attitude based on people's skin colour. I would not be surprise if you also have discrimination attitude based on people's religion and caste. This is the 21st century, however you show all signs of growing old and I think for a person of your calibre it is time to grow up. Honestly, with that attitude, I think you are not fit to be on any public forum including GoaNet forum. Cip -Original Message- halur rasho wrote on 18 June 2005 19:20 Perhaps Goa will be lucky nd gori amma. After all she is far more important and perhaps her heritage more in tune with Goa? Portugal - Italy Bhai - Bhai --- jerry fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all, > > When BJP ruled, they had their leaders visit Goa > number of times, but > surprising that our present PM declined the offer of > visiting Goa. I wonder > what brought the BJP to Goa on so many times, was it > Goa?s famous pork and > fenny? And why Dr. Manmohan Singh cancelled his > plans especially when this was > Goa?s important day? > > Cheers > Jerry Fernandes > > PM CALLS OFF VISIT ON GOA REVOLUTION DAY > PANAJI: The three-day visit of Prime Minister Dr > Manmohan Singh starting from > Friday has been cancelled, as per the information > received by the Goa police. > > Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
[Goanet]OFF TOPIC: Americans going to Cuba for free education.
Folks, Cuba is now offering free education to Americans. Here is the link to an interesting article. Mervyn3.0 -snip- Cuba's sophisticated and public medical system is one of the revolution's most notable successes. The country has one of the lowest infant-mortality rate in the Americas and twice as many physicians per capita as the United States, with a long tradition of sending doctors to work in developing countries in Africa and Latin America. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050617/CUBA17/TPInternational/?query=cuba __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Frogs, camels and Frenchies
dudas @ Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To avoid my post from being rejected by the > sharp-eyed Goanet moderators I will refrain > from commenting on the Frenchies, whom we > hard-core Americans don't like very much right now. dudas, Every Frenchman can become President of France. Every Frenchman can travel to any country s/he wants to. French men have more rights and liberties than their US counterparts. No wonder "hard-core Americans" don't like the French. Mervyn3.0 "We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." - Plato __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Re: Chinese Fable
On 18/06/05, kathy veeren wrote: > Thank you Cynthia , > > I have enjoyed your contributions very much . They are gems... > one of those crackpots called Kathy Rodrigues Veeren. RESPONSE: I suppose you want me to pray for you too, you being a crackpot - done no sweat dear. -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet]PM CALLS OFF VISIT ON GOA REVOLUTION DAY
Perhaps Goa will be lucky nd gori amma. After all she is far more important and perhaps her heritage more in tune with Goa? Portugal - Italy Bhai - Bhai --- jerry fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all, > > When BJP ruled, they had their leaders visit Goa > number of times, but > surprising that our present PM declined the offer of > visiting Goa. I wonder > what brought the BJP to Goa on so many times, was it > Goa?s famous pork and > fenny? And why Dr. Manmohan Singh cancelled his > plans especially when this was > Goa?s important day? > > Cheers > Jerry Fernandes > > PM CALLS OFF VISIT ON GOA REVOLUTION DAY > PANAJI: The three-day visit of Prime Minister Dr > Manmohan Singh starting from > Friday has been cancelled, as per the information > received by the Goa police. > > Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
RE: [Goanet]Willy without portfolio ??
Dr. Willy has always sought the lesser communal party; his scales of (communal) convenience have now tipped again. This jumping jack has an incessant and insatiable desire for power and position ?-the man has demonstrated that he can sacrifice any amount of values and ethics to target his selfish gains. Instead of seeking the CM?s chair, isn?t it high time that the Saligao dotor sits in the comfort of his rocking chair? Joe Vaz _ Think Rani is the best? http://server1.msn.co.in/sp05/iifa/ Make sure she wins the award.
[Goanet]RIBANDAR : HAS IT BE A RODRIGUES
Dear Fellow-netters, We should be relieved that the alleged Ribandar Church Molestation Case has slowly, steadily and in a dignified way been laid to rest. Rev. Fr. Alcantra Rodrigues is our new Parish Priest at Ribandar. The Archbishop of Goa. Rev. Fr. Filipe Neri Ferrao has relieved the services of Fr.Newton Rodrigues from the Archdiocese of Goa. Regardless of the principled differences that I may have had with Rev.Fr Newton Rodrigues I wish him all the very best for the future. I don't pray a lot but shall for you Rev. Fr Newton Rodrigues. Sorry, that's all I can do. Aires Rodrigues ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
RE: [Goanet]Migration: Opportunities for children or wanderlust
From: Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet]Migration: Opportunities for children or wanderlust Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 13:51:58 +0530 In a related vein, are we emphasising too much on the education of our children? Almost all parents I know in my age group (35-50), whether in India or abroad, are hell bent on giving their children the best possible education money (and loans) can buy. Sometimes it is because they themselves did not have that opportunity. In other cases it is a flock mentality. Nasci: This sort of pressure on parents is not that much in the developed countries; as the children of migrants have a lot of opportunity and scope to prove themselves and then get into a viable and related job or profession; unlike in India where it is a Big and Bigger Rat Race! And if these children fail their parents and in their own goals, then they are not totally lost; but can survive, doing lesser jobs! besides, in these countries, manual jobs and unskilled jobs are respected and paid not too badly. the so called lesser jobs in India, are here paid within a minumum wage; and this at the moment amounts to A$488/ per 38 hour week (+-) in Australia for say a job like working at 'Tables in a Restaurant or Bar'. Those who do more physically demanding jobs and in open areas are earning even much more; Then there are those with other (non graduate) skills but worthy technical and trade skills are doing very well! Delvery truck drivers earn around 60,000 to 70,000/ per year! The long distance trailer truck drivers make anything between 80,000 to 120,000 dollars per year! At that level they pay around 47% income tax! That means they are also 'high income earners' in Aussie society. You do not have to be a Graduate! But you have to be 'smart'. Cecil: My basic argument is that we lay much too much emphasis on over-educating our children as compared to other aspects of living. Almost all of us are involved in careers that make little or no use of the education our parents made possible for us by denying themselves some basic luxuries. Nasci: This sort of emphasis shifts, once the parents with children migrate to developed countries; for reasons that the parents need not necessarily worry and make sacrifices for their children; only good advice and good guidance is required; the children's educational aspirations and career is shaped by the child's/ students own abilities and ambitions, in conjunction with the numerous opportunities available and made known thru various forums. Cecil: Would I go abroad for a better lifestyle? Yes. For a chance to make a lot of money? Yes. For my own career advancement. Yes? For my children to have better education opportunities, which may or may not translate into a successful career? I doubt it. Cecil == Nasci: You don't have to doubt it! Unlike migrating adults specially persons over 40 years, skilled or not, who may have trouble getting into work of their familiarity or desire, in a foreign land; their children specially if studying and skilling in these foreign lands, should have no problems in working their skills, partly because and more importantly for the fact that their outlook on work and society has been shaped and is modern. You see, they will have no 'class or caste consiousness' not even 'gauncaree and morador'. Shed all these prejudices and u will be OK. Ofcourse not to be race conscious too! Neither' inferiority nor superiority'! These good attitudes will help a lot. When I migrated, I celebrated my 50th b'day here, within the first month; I knew it was going to be tough; I persevered and even studied for hi tech skills and managed to get thru, inspite of my age! My old skills and newly acquired skills made me feel superior and helped me get whatever I wanted. I never ever felt an 'inferiority complex'; but this feeling has and is helped, with the fact that my earlier skills were backed up in theory, practice and experience, in multiple fields! Cheers, Nasci Caldeira Melbourne.
RE: [Goanet]Migration: Opportunities for children or wanderlust
From: Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet]Migration: Opportunities for children or wanderlust Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 13:51:58 +0530 In a related vein, are we emphasising too much on the education of our children? Almost all parents I know in my age group (35-50), whether in India or abroad, are hell bent on giving their children the best possible education money (and loans) can buy. Sometimes it is because they themselves did not have that opportunity. In other cases it is a flock mentality. Nasci: This sort of pressure on parents is not that much in the developed countries; as the children of migrants have a lot of opportunity and scope to prove themselves and then get into a viable and related job or profession; unlike in India where it is a Big and Bigger Rat Race! And if these children fail their parents and in their own goals, then they are not totally lost; but can survive, doing lesser jobs! besides, in these countries, manual jobs and unskilled jobs are respected and paid not too badly. the so called lesser jobs in India, are here paid within a minumum wage; and this at the moment amounts to A$488/ per 38 hour week (+-) in Australia for say a job like working at 'Tables in a Restaurant or Bar'. Those who do more physically demanding jobs and in open areas are earning even much more; Then there are those with other (non graduate) skills but worthy technical and trade skills are doing very well! Delvery truck drivers earn around 60,000 to 70,000/ per year! The long distance trailer truck drivers make anything between 80,000 to 120,000 dollars per year! At that level they pay around 47% income tax! That means they are also 'high income earners' in Aussie society. You do not have to be a Graduate! But you have to be 'smart'. Cecil: My basic argument is that we lay much too much emphasis on over-educating our children as compared to other aspects of living. Almost all of us are involved in careers that make little or no use of the education our parents made possible for us by denying themselves some basic luxuries. Nasci: This sort of emphasis shifts, once the parents with children migrate to developed countries; for reasons that the parents need not necessarily worry and make sacrifices for their children; only good advice and good guidance is required; the children's educational aspirations and career is shaped by the child's/ students own abilities and ambitions, in conjunction with the numerous opportunities available and made known thru various forums. Cecil: Would I go abroad for a better lifestyle? Yes. For a chance to make a lot of money? Yes. For my own career advancement. Yes? For my children to have better education opportunities, which may or may not translate into a successful career? I doubt it. Cecil == Nasci: You don't have to doubt it! Unlike migrating adults specially persons over 40 years, skilled or not, who may have trouble getting into work of their familiarity or desire, in a foreign land; their children specially if studying and skilling in these foreign lands, should have no problems in working their skills, partly because and more importantly for the fact that their outlook on work and society has been shaped and is modern. You see, they will have no 'class or caste consiousness' not even 'gauncaree and morador'. Shed all these prejudices and u will be OK. Ofcourse not to be race conscious too! Neither' inferiority nor superiority'! These good attitudes will help a lot. When I migrated, I celebrated my 50th b'day here, within the first month; I knew it was going to be tough; I persevered and even studied for hi tech skills and managed to get thru, inspite of my age! My old skills and newly acquired skills made me feel superior and helped me get whatever I wanted. I never ever felt an 'inferiority complex'; but this feeling has and is helped, with the fact that my earlier skills were backed up in theory, practice and experience, in multiple fields! Cheers, Nasci Caldeira Melbourne. Just have a go at any of the Australian Universities, and see the choice for yourself. And mind you, you do not need a grand distinction to gain entry, and mind you, these are very good centers of learning, far better than what is on offer in Goa. click here for more details: http://www.unimelb.edu.au/ http://www.latrobe.edu.au/ http://www.rmit.edu.au/ http://www.swin.edu.au/ http://www.monash.edu.au/ http://www.deakin.edu.au/ Now these are only a few universities in a small place like Melbourne. Go through the sites and see what is there on offer. Besides university degrees, there are also options of courses like TAFE etc., and like I said earlier, our children do have a better advantage as far as choice of careers go. If we were in Goa, we only had Goa University, and I do not have to say more. By the way, Goa is also bigger than Melbourne. So the question of choice is far bigger than you can
[Goanet]Re: Historic 18 june
Hi Avelino: Manoharrai sardessai poetry sprouts from the Goan soil. And in this poem, he doesnt just talk about 18 june, but has articulated a vision for Goa --- improve the lot of the gavddo. What can be a better vision than to improve the lot of the poorest ? It is sad that instead of getting close to the vision, we have the mess that Goa is in today. Borem magun, Samir >A beautiful and inspiring poem! Well done! Avelino Bastora/Kuwait [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Otthra June 18 th June by Manohar Sardesai
RE: [Goanet]Historic 18 June
Hi all, Shouldn't this place be renamed: 'Dr Lohia Square' or 'Dr. Lohia Place'. The place is neither a maidan nor a park, by size! By all means let the Patriot be properly honoured. Nasci Caldeira Melbourne. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]Historic 18 June Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 11:41:55 +0500 Today is a historic day in the history of Goa. On this day, in 1946, an unarmed Ram Manohar Lohia took on the might of the armed Portuguese empire. On this day, Dr. Lohia and several thousand Goans defied Portuguese law to converge on an open ground in Margao, Salcette, Goa to demand the colony's freedom. A policeman is said to have aimed a pistol at Dr Lohia wherupon the freedom-fighter held his hand saying, "If you shoot me, do you know what will happen to you?" The policeman backed off. Dr. Lohia and his companions were placed under arrest. After Goa's liberation, the venue of that historic meeting was christened Dr Lohia Maidan. Samir
[Goanet]Nursing college at Margao
Virginia, In reply to your query: Victor Medical and Research Foundation is launching the College of Nursing at Margao, Goa. It is located on the ground floor at the Apollo Victor Hospital at Malbhat. It offers a four-year B Sc Nursing degree course. Open to those who passed HSSCE/ICSE (XII Std) with minimum 50% or more aggregate in four subjects -- including English/Physics/Chem and Biology. Candidates awaiting results will be eligible to appear for the entrance test. Courses commence from August 2005, first week. Hostel facilities available. Approved by the Maharashtra Nursing Council, Indian Nursing Council and proposed affiliation to Goa University. Prospectus available from June 20 at the college premises. Tel 272-. The above details are based on the advert published by the promoters in the Navhind Times, June 16, 2005. I am in no position to vouch for the details. Best wishes, FN - Dear Sir, Read the other day that BSc nursing college is coming upin Margao. Can u give me more details abt the college, If there is any email address where I can call, any telephone number and the name of the college please. Thanking you, Virginia - .. Frederick (FN) Noronha | Freelance Journalist | Mobile +91 9822 122436 Tel +91.832.2409490| http://fn.swiki.net | http://www.bytesforall.net ..
[Goanet]Konkani Ringtones update 4
Sorry. I may not be able to entertain any fresh requests. I am sure you know why. Whole backlog was cleared last night. Plus one (fresh request frm Vir..)sent just now. Sent to.. Tony1, Tony2, Antonio, Cyril1, Cyril2, Lino, Richard, Luis, Domnic, Pascoal, Gloria, Jervis, Gorethi, Jerry, Patrick, Wilmarco, Benjamin, Alwyn, Eddie,Virginea etc Claudia and Pisso I still dont have, the sender (pisso) did not re-send to me. I could not request him/personally because I only got the ringtone (twice) but not the senders cell No. Hence, requested thru goanet. If I receive it (Pisso) in time, I may sent it to you provided my pre-paid credit balance allows me to do so. HANV PISO ? TUZ PAI TO PISSO.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For info on Konkani VCDs (Films, Tiatr, Comedies and films on GOA...) http://konkani-vcd.swiki.net/1 ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Goanet News Bytes * June 18, 2005 * Goa Revolution Day today
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] G o a n e t - N e w s B y t e s JUNE 18, 2005 DATELINE: GOA / d8 Founded in 1994 e88~88e e88~-_/~~~8e 888-~88e e88~~8e _d88__ by Herman 888 888 d888 i 88b 888 888 d888 88b 888 Carneiro "88_88" | e88~-888 888 888 __888 888 --- / Y888 ' C888 888 888 888 Y888, 888 Cb "88_-~ "88_-888 888 888 "88___/ "88_/ b Y8""8D http://www.goanet.org [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] In today's news: June 18 is Goa Revolution Day, but how relevant now? What does it mean to the younger generation? SEZ and Salcete... No trophies for Goan football, strangely... Mini-review of GCCI's news trade directory... Read on 18th June: Revolution, but no evolution. Goa's valiant sons and daughters gave us freedom. On June 18, 2005, 59 years after Ram Manohar Lohia began the last phase of the freedom movement in protest against the denial of civil liberties. But is Goa free? Free from corruption and greed, free from the shackles of red tapism and injustice? (Gomantak Times) Happy birthday or sad day: Goa does not know. Or care. June 18 is not an august occasion for new age Goans.(GT) She fought leeches and snakes to liberate Goa... but fails to combat corrupt politicians in "liberated" Goa. A profile of Libia Lobo Sardesai, who ran an underground radio station on top of a hill (to beam it properly to Goa as they didn't have a tower) in the deep forests on the Goa-Karnataka border. When she applied for a freedom fighters' pension on May 23, 2003, she was denied one by the state government. (GT) Assolna set the stage for the historic Revolution Day in Margao. Veterans nostalgic about Dr Lohia's stay at Dr Julian Menezes' house.(GT) Goa government is learnt to have decided to put a stop to registering of more freedom fighters in the state. This comes in the wake of a decision by the BJP-led government, which had invited applications to know whether there were any freedom fighters who were not enrolled by the government. Accordingly, a four-member committee -- comprising Flaviano Dias, Naguesh Karmali, Chandrakant Kerkar and Senapati Desai -- scrutinised 419 applications and cleared 89 of them. (GT) o Heavy rains lash state, accompanied by gusty winds, thus marking the arrival of the full-fledged monsoons. (NT) o Panaji water-logged: As residents woke up to heavy rainfall, Panaji found itself water-logged even though the amount of rain that actually fell was well below normal. (GT) o Herald shows photos water-logged -- in-front of the health department at Campal, at the busy 18th June Road. There was a landslide at Altinho, caused by incessant rain. (H) o No plan to topple Congress government, says Parrikar. BJP has accepted mandate of the voters, says he. (NT) o BJP leader Babu Azgaonkar says he has no plans to quit the BJP.(H) o Jamir, Rane greet Goans on Revolution Day. (NT) o Crime Branch nabbed on Mahadev Shetkar for allegedly accepting a bribe by posing as a CID officer. (H) o Motorists urged to take precaution during rains. (H) o Goa Konkani Academy will sponsor 50% of financial assistance for publishing children's literature. Apply by July 30. (H) o Congress-backed Wilson Valladares was elected un-opposed as sarpanch of the Carambolim panchayat. (H) o Demoralised BJP goes on offensive in Filipe Neri's forgery case.(H) o Ful-na-Paklli is talking about Kids TV plans. 9422 442216 o Goa to honour 51 freedom fighters on Revolution Day. (H) o Naval Maritime Academy at Colaba in Mumbai is offering a number of DG-approved courses. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.namacindia.com o Parliament of India is inviting comments on the Drugs and Cosmetics (Amendment) Bill 2005. See the bill at http://www.rajyasabha.nic.in and send comments to [EMAIL PROTECTED] o St Francis Technical Institute at Borivali West in Mumbai See your options at http://www.stfrancisiti.com o Don Bosco Animation Centre at Birondi Pulvaddo at Benaulim in Salcete 403716 Goa provides boarding and lodging for parish, student groups and movements, between 20-50 persons. [EMAIL PROTECTED] o St Xavier's College Goa launches its three-year degree course in industrial chemistry. Many unique features, including 60-days on-the-job training at different industries. Eligibility with Std XII Science with PCM and minimum 60%. Fear of SEZ grips Salcete villagers: Villagers of Verna, Nagoa, Loutolim, Cortalim and Quelossim -- all villages bordering the Verna Industrial Estate -- want to know what is a Specia
[Goanet]Allegations of Jet's Underworld Links (Mario Goveia)
You might want to check this out: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1145663.cms Jet chief flies high despite 'undesirable' rumours CUCKOO PAUL TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ SATURDAY, JUNE 18, 2005 12:27:46 AM]
[Goanet]Check this 19 photos of 9 Child Actors ..........(My last one).....I will miss GOA very much
All of you still dont know me. (repeat, NO ONE) For the first time I disclosed myself on Stage in packed audience (1000) on 17/6/05 during Tony Dias' 10th Show in Margao (earlier it was wrongly said 4th show- Tony Dias just corrected me) ARGAN TUKA DHONIA with 9 child actors (SEE PICS BELOW). Thanks for all your support. I am really going to miss this. I am leaving very much against my wish. I am really not leaving G O A for Money. I took early retirement 2 b in GOA rest of my life. I really dont want to go B U T I feel its too late now. You are partly to blame because you did not allow me to do what I always wanted to do. If you think you have shown me.. then you have funny way of showing it. I am SORRY if my writing from GOA has hurt some one's feelings/sentiments but I really did not mean that.. Now, you may say... WHAT TYPE OF A PERSON IS THIS ? Answer: I dont know. I will try my best to continue writing from else where. One day I wanted to write on 'GOA GOING, GOING - GONE?' but will write soon. click on 'Playslideshow' http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joegoauk/album?.dir=95d0&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joegoauk/my_photos [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For info on Konkani VCDs (Films, Tiatr, Comedies and films on GOA...) http://konkani-vcd.swiki.net/1 ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
RE: [Goanet]Historic 18 June
A beautiful and inspiring poem! Well done! Avelino Bastora/Kuwait [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Otthra June 18 th June by Manohar Sardesai translated from the Konkani by Jaime de Mello and Samir Kelekar A sentence in Konkani Its English translation Udok legit zal'lem rogot Even the water had turned to blood Ani rogot zal'lem hun And the blood had become hot. Bhava tuka iad asa Brother, do you remember Otthra Jun? The 18th of June? Bondkhonniche dukhest chire The sad bricks of the prison Nove axen dhodd'dhoddle Throbbed with new hope, Finrgealem mostem bonder The insolent flag of the foreigner Thorthorot somzolem Trembled with understanding Vavzhoddint vetlem mhonnun It would be swept in the windy rain, Pinzun Pinzun Torn to shreds. Bhava tuka iad asa Brother, do you remember Otthra Jun? The 18th of June? Mongllaracho aslo dis It was a Tuesday, Pavs nettan poddttalo A hard rain was falling, Ambeamullant gavddeapor Under the mango tree, a Gawdi boy Kuddkuddot roddttalo Was shivering and crying, Lokhnnacho ailo purus An iron man appeared Khoim sakun konna khobor Nobody knows from where, Tujea xinvaulean gelim You felt a shudder Amchim bhuzam xinxinvun Running through your shoulders. Thoran poram ailim dhanvot Children came running Konnak khobor khoim sakun From nowhere, Zulmachea tubkantlean The cannons of war Ujeagulle gele suttun Unleashed fire balls, Rogtachi ub mellun The heat of blood Bhuim amchi zali hun Scorched our land. Bhava tuka iad asa Brother, do you remember Otthra Jun? The 18th of June? Soddnnukecho ailo dis The day of liberation arrived, Utthun ubo ravlo monis The people stood upright, Sogle pas poddle tuttun Each and every shackle broken. Bhava tuka iad asa Brother, do you remember Otthra Jun? The 18th of June? Kitle oxe aile gele Many days have gone by Otthra Jun! Like the 18th of June! Ambeamullant Kuddkuddta But, under the mango tree, Gavddeacho por ozun The Gawdi boy still weeps, Bhangrachem Goem amchem And our golden Goa Kitlem asa pois ozun! Remains far beyond our reach! Mollbacho mattov pinzun Let the sky's canopy be torn asunder, Kupam foddun, goddgoddun And clouds broken with the roar of thunder, Zoglachea zhogzhogant And the flash of lightning, Ghiss korun zhogzhogun May the light dazzle, Doddkevori lottun, futtun Rush and break like a storm, Ienv di porot Otthra Jun Let the 18th of June return! Bhava tuka iad asa? Brother, do you remember? Tea disa ugddasan The memories of that day Hodd'ddem mhojem pett'ta oz Still light up my heart. Bhava tuka iad asa Brother, do you remember Otthra Jun? Tne 18th of June? Glossary : "Finrgealem" (derived from `Firangi' meaning foreigner or Portuguese a.k.a "paklo" singular plural meaning "white (man)" in Konkani. Gawdi = aborigine, a native of Goa. - Today, we need liberation from the sex-scandalist and other looters of Goa. We have already liberated ourselves from the communal BJP. Let us pledge that we will not rest till we do so. Jai Hind! Samir
RE: [Goanet]Willy without portfolio ??
Carlos, I can understand your eagerness and joy of having Willy as CM and thereby the best of both worlds. But, I am skeptical about the whole stage show, because, during Willy's term as CM, Parrikar along with his supporters poured black paint on Willy's new car to protest lavishness. Moreover, during BJP's day in the sun they tried to force the "disgusting VCD" down the throat of school children and antagonize the Christian community. Also, the destruction of Mathew's "Mandarin" is another act which proves their hatred towards the Christians. Advani is trying to appease the Muslim community by being nice to Pakistan, and in Goa we have Parrikar desperately wooing Willy to form the government. The gimmick by BJP to reach out to minority shows the level of desperation. Parrikar's support for Willy is not because of his love for Christians, but to get even with his former colleagues who orchestrated his downfall. Avelino Bastora/Kuwait [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Avelino, What Willy said about Congress may be right. Especially true, when the president of Goa Congress and CM are both non-catholics. Why did Congress not select a Catholic for one of these positions? Are Catholic votes taken for granted by Congress? It sure seems like. It appears to me, it is OK if Congress discriminates against Catholics, but it is not OK if BJP does it. Lets be fair and measure both these parites with the same yardstick. If Parrikar supports Willy for CM, then we can get the best of both worlds. The history shows that they were the best CM's of Goa. Regards, Carlos From: D'Souza, Avelino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It seems, I may be wrong, that you have not followed what Willy said about Congress being more communal than BJP. In other words, BJP wants Willy to be CM by supporting NCP. By doing so, BJP will have a say in the day to day functioning of the government which is secondary to Parrikar's plan. The primary focus, as far as Parrikar is concerned, is to starve the BJP traitors, the infamous five, by keeping them away from juicy portfolios. Willy will behave like "a good one" in fresh saffron robes. Avelino Bastora/Kuwait ___ Cip Fernandes wrote: Carlos, << Willy will be the next CM of Goa and he will be a good one >> Could you please justify your statement with true premises? Your statement appears to be based either on assumptions well known to you or logical inconsistency. Further, I will appreciate your description of so-called "a good one". Personally, I do not have any dispute with either Carlos or Dr. Willy - my dispute is with Carlos' statement. Just curious! Cip ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 16 June 2005 01:00 Vivian, Just watch. Willy will be the next CM of Goa and he will be a good one. Carlos Vivian D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Maybe now that he has hit bottom, he will re-infvent himself and become a full-fledged Congressmen, or if spurned will then become a full fledged saffronite ? It is obvious that this person is not committed to any ideology or principles. Chameleons ! Lets see what unfolds in the next few days or hours.
[Goanet]RE:Indigo a new Indian budget Airline?
[Mario Goveia, June 17] Actually it was East-West Airlines which allegedly had the underworld links Jet has been recently accused of. In fact East-West's MD was even gunned down gangland style in Mumbai in the 1990s after which the airline ceased operation. Apparently it is now being revived. The issue with Jet in the late 1990s was whether it was getting financial backing from Gulf-based 'airlines'. Its original promoters to the tune of 40% included Kuwait Airways and Gulf Air (I think). A change in aviation policy led to it having to buy these airlines out. Because of Jet's main promoters being NRIs/OCBs there was always some doubt about the source of its equity funding including airline backing which is specifically prohibited. However all the enquiries into this and related matters have reportedly revealed no wrong doing so far. Jet in fact seems to have gone from strength to strength since inception a dozen years ago and its recent IPO revealed that it has one of the highest market caps in the GLOBAL industry! The Dawood story seems a recent twist to the 9/11, Al Qaeda development. The American court case in which Jet has sued the party in Maryland which objected to its operation in the U.S.A might reveal whether there is really any truth to it. Let's watch the situation.
[Goanet]Traffic in Goa
MARG, the (somewhat unusually-named) Movement for Amity towards Roads in Goa, is run by Gurunath Kelekar, whom some would know as the dad of active Goan-in-cyberspace Samir Kelekar. In its April-May 2005 issue, it makes some suggestions on what the Goa government should be doing on the traffic front. It says the government must (i) accept that there is a grave road problem in Goa (ii) publish an informative paper on the traffic and transport situation in Goa for the last 10 years, including accidents and deaths on the roads and steps taken by government to alleviate the problem (iii) publish intentions of government on traffic and transport in Goa for the next ten years and (iv) have an up-to-date well-trained traffic force, to cope with grouwing tourist arrivals. Also suggested are (v) setting-up a distinct traffic machinery within the police, as being officially mooted (vi) revert substantial part of the revenue collected as road fines by the police traffic cell to satisfy their "genuine needs" (vii) modernising the transport department, to make it more than a licensing body (and one that works on a proper transport and traffic facility). Among its eleven-point suggestions also are (viii) galvanising the PWD to work on repairing accident-prone "black spots" (ix) launch a driver training institute and let NGOs formulate "comprehensive programmes to educate road users", and declare 2005 as the Year of the Road in Goa. Some food for thought. Any other suggestions? Can we define the problem as we perceive it? FN .. Frederick (FN) Noronha | Freelance Journalist | Mobile +91 9822 122436 Tel +91.832.2409490| http://fn.swiki.net | http://www.bytesforall.net ..
[Goanet]Thank you Joe for your ring-tone
Hi Joe, After too much ?kuprumento? finally I received the much awaited ring-tone from you ?Moga zalem tem zanv' Obrigado muito muito e o descanso emite-o imediatamente. (Dev borem korum ani ul?leat teo vegim patoi) Lino http://www.goa-world.com/goa/poems http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?config=gulf-goans_yahoogroups_com&restrict=&exclude=&words=Lino+B.+Dourado Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Migration: Opportunities for children or wanderlust
Frederick Noronha wrote: Revisiting this debate again, I don't quite agree with the Goa-is-best argument (or, subtle suggestion). If this were true, the general perception of the Goan Catholic (particularly) wouldn't see such a yawning gap between what we proclaim and what we practice. We wouldn't have had so many people migrating all over the globe, and so many back home just waiting to go abroad -- whether by way of a Portuguese passport or whatever. Cecil: Exactly my point. Are all those currently waiting to go abroad doing so after properly weighing all the pros and cons, or are they going because it is the done thing? The circumstances that made us Goans nomads some decades back no longer are the same. Does the current generation need to go abroad for education and/or jobs? Does the older generation have to continue living abroad or can they come back to a good lifestyle here? - Fred: Of course, there are other aspects to this debate. Where you live and what you do also depends on your priorities in life. For a materially superior lifestyle, and the possibility to accomplish more, clearly there is currently only one option in the current global scenario at least: go West. Cecil: In other words all the people living a 'materially superior lifestyle" and "accomplishing more" here in India are just living in a fools paradise? I find it ridiculous that going "West" is the answer to everything. Shades of xenophilia. - Fred: But then, others might have different priorities. For me, staying on in Goa works (at this point of time at least). Being in a context one understands and feels some affinity to, also enables you to feel you're doing relevant work. It's a trade-off, but might work. For instance, I have spent days or weeks in big cities (Berlin, Stockholm, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur) and it's a bit scary to live as a digit, whose existance (or lack of it) hardly means anything to anyone else out there. Maybe staying on changes the situation; but it's not easy for all either. Cecil: One could also say the choice is between being a big fish in a small pond, or a medium fish in a large lake, or a small fish in the vast ocean. Fred: We should stop believing that the grass is greener on the other side; and instead make the most of wherever we're based. In today's world, it could be argued that the 'brain drain' of the past doesn't have as serious affects as it once did. You could contribute to Goa from wherever you are; the world is smaller. Like Alwyn and Lisa in Chorao, VM de Malar and others, you might actually decide to return back to Goa early. And everyone could be richer for your experience. Who knows what life has in store? Cecil: This I agree with. If overseas Goans come back permanently in large numbers I think Goa will be that much better because of them. - Fred: Incidentally, isn't the title of this topic misleading? If we adopt a Goa-is-best approach, then shouldn't the title line read 'Home is where our ancestors roots are'? Cecil: The 'title' is what I chose and clearly reflects my queries. If Fred wants to make it into another debate, about other matters, he is free to change the 'title' to reflect his concerns. Sticking to the 'title', when the thread has gone off into something different, is absurd. --- Fred: We need to acknowledge that our links with Goa are just the result of a series of historical (or genetic) accidents. If our ancestors had adopted a differing migration path (from Africa or wherever) would we still have been calling ourselves proud Goans? Cecil: Of course not. So what is the point you're trying to make? - Fred: In any case, as one has argued here earlier, Goa is a melting pot of various peoples and genetic groups ... let's accept the differences, try to understand each other, and live in peace and tolerance for a positive tomorrow. Cecil: You've slipped into 'speech' mode Fred. This has no direct connection with what is being discussed. Cheers! =
[Goanet]List of Konkani VCDs (Check This Sunday's Herald) + 1000 copies distributed
I requested Herald (Melwyn) 2 days ago, to publish it as news items in Herald as it is very popular with Tiatr Ads. The list will now appear in this sunday's Herald under display advertisement for which I have paid today BECAUSE: I LOVE GOA I LOVE KONKANI Plus 1000 copies (double sided)were distributed to all (house full)audience during the tiatr yesterday (QUOTED BELOW). Please note: Special but simple email is created to all correspondences related to TIATR i.e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] == Side 1 List of Konkani VCDs available so far ( Pl. buy from any good shops ) A REQUEST: PLEASE DO NOT USE RENTAL/PIRATED COPIES OR DUPLICATE COPIES. PLEASE BUY ORIGINALS AND support Goa/Konkani Bhuimkamp - by Mark Araujo etc Rontto - by Candido & Ratnakar Devan Dilem Devcharan Velem - By Jose Rod Zababdari(film) - Bonifacio Dias, Anil kumar Tukach Lagon - Khell Tiatr by Minino Mario Soirikar - Khell Tiatr by Minino Mario Dor Taka sodnaka - Actors John D silva,Domnic etc O my God -Commedian Domnic & Luis Bacchan. March 2004 Sorry PAI -Commedy Film by Comedian Agostinho.Apr04 Tujem Sambau-Khell Tiatr by Minino Mario-April 2004 Moriad -Film by Bonifacio dias- March/April 2004 Devak Zai Zalear ? Film-Ben Evangelisto July/Aug2004 Kavllo Rodlo Lozen- Songs& Jokes-Rosary Ferns Aug 2004 Mog -a short film by Peter Roshan August 2004 Vantte, A drama by Allan D?Costs/Sidon Sil Aug/2004 Film Songs- frm ZABBABDARI,MORIAD & TO DIS UDELO GOA Bombay- with GOA/Bombay Actors by Tony Dias oct/04 Dol Mojea Bai (Film)- Candido Araujo/Sinari Nov/04 Kantiantlem Ful (Film)- D?Costa Production/Sinari Nov/04 Sunday- Comedy by Comedian Agostino/Manfa Music Nov/04 Sangat Ami Bhurgim Konnachim by Mario Menezes Dec/04 Axirvad by Jesus Antao (TBR) PURTUGUESE GOENKAR by Samuel Carvalho/Manfa KALLZACHE GHAVE By Teotonio d'Costa SOUNSAR SOMPLEA UPRANT By MARK de aRAUJO MAINCHEM KALLIZ by Agnelo Da Costa DOGANCH PURO by Comedian Ambe AUNCH TO by Rafael de majorda SANGATIN a Candido Araujo production TUKAI TENCH RAUTA by Rafael De Majorta july/04 HANV NOKHO ZALOM by Rafael De Majorda july/04 BHADDEACHO KUSVO By Machi Mogi St.Cruz April/05 KOR MOJEM KALLIZ TUJEA KALLZA SARKEM by Tony Dias (Conny Enerprises) KERELACHI TOPI by Comedian Prince Leslie April/05 KONNECH LOZCHEM NHUIM By Mini Mario May/05 List Courtesy: Joe ( For any info / free promotion on the net etc pl write ) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = ALL NRIs (particularly the Tiatr/Konkani Lovers) will appreciate your comments on below. HEM KORIA TEM KORIA MUNNPACHE ZAITE ASAT PUN MUKAR SORPACHE BHOU TODDE. HANV MUKAR SORLAM, POLLEIA KITEM ZATA POI TEM. Hope you can trust me. == side 2 Mogal Tiatr Mogeano, AIZ (17/6/05) hea lhan tiatristamcho supurlo sotkar koso kela. FALEAM, heach baxen punn vhodda dhobhajean maka chod kuxi asli amchea vhodd (senior) Tiatristamcho-i Sotkar korunk. Te jeve ou hat paem astonach kelear chodd borem zaupachem. Uprant moron ou piddent astonam keliar koslo faido? Kitlexech amche Tiatrist bhav/bhoinnio asat zoxe porim Remie Colaco, Prem Kumar, Sabina, H Briton, Joe Rose, Rita Rose, Anthony (Trio) Clara, Jessie,Ophelia, etc etc etc Tannim amchea passot aplem purem jivit amkam bhetoilam tea pasot ami soglleani ekttaim zaum tankam ?thank you? munnonk favo. Hem kam ektech mhonxakodde kednach zaumchem nam (kitlei dudu passun assot zalear). Tea pasot tumcho adhar ou sohokar chodd ghorjecho. Tumkam kitem dista ou tumkodde koslei upai ?ideas? bhi asot zalear matxe maka kollit koreai. Mojem email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Somzotam tumi maka buroitolim munn. Dev Borem Korum. --- Dear Tiatr Lovers, TODAY, in a small way, we have said ?congratulations? to these child artists. TOMORROW, I (with you) would like to Congratulate/Felicitate all our senior Tiatrists (e.g. all 50 or 55yrs & abv). How nice it would be (when they are alive or able), if we all get together to say ?thank you? to them! What?s the point of doing the same when they are dead or sick ? They have given us their entire life to entertain us, so it?s a right time now to appreciate their work on Tiatr stage (at least once in their life time). No single person (no matter how rich he is) can organise this big event on his own, hence, your help or cooperation very much needed. Please write to me what you think (including any ideas etc). Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please pass this on to others too. == [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For info on Konkani VCDs (Films, Tiatr, Comedies and films on GOA...) http://konkani-vcd.swiki.net/1 ___ How much mail storage do you get for free? Yahoo! Mail gives you 1GB! Get Yahoo! Mail http://uk.mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]All Goa Computer Teachers
I am quoting selectively from what Floriano Lobo wrote: quote Subject: All Goa Computer Teacher's Association - AGCTA. . . Does Mr. Rane think that these teachers are unwanted babies that get stuffed into the garbage bins? For God's own sake, these are Goa's cream and Goa's welfare depends on their well being. . . As the Education Minister, Sir, we know you are utmost concerned and fully aware of what you must do in this case. The world will not come to an end if the new contract tenders, for whatever reasons they have been entertained, are cancelled forthwith and a plan is drawn-up to re-instate these agitating computer teachers permanently, preferably in batches, giving due representation to their male-female numbers. Let the AGCTA be given the task to agree to who will be the first ones to be taken in, on priority and need basis. Dear Floriano, Let me play Devil's Advocate here. You refer to the agitating Computer Teachers as "Goa's cream". On what basis may I ask? A few of these teachers, who I know personally, are mere graduates (Arts) with a short term diploma in some private computer institute. Their knowledge of computers is deplorable. They have no formal training in teaching. I would not want them teaching my children about computers. They claim that they were promised that they would be absorbed into permanent jobs. By who? The private institute that provided them placement services? The computer teaching contractor who got the contract from the BJP government under dubious circumstances? The managements of the schools they were teaching in? The Education Department? The Government at the time? Who promised them permanent jobs?!! Why should the present Government, or the new contractor, be saddled with these unqualified teachers? Why as a tax payer should I pay their salaries just because they managed to agitate and embarrass the government? I understand and sympathise with their need for permanent jobs. But let us not swell the already swollen ranks of Government employees with still more mediocrity. Keep in mind it is me, the tax payer, who foots the bill for such biased decision by the Government. I don't mind paying a salary to a qualified person to teach my children computers. But selection should be on the basis of merit, and not because of some vague promises by unknown parties. I am even willing to consider giving permanent Government jobs on the basis of need. Let each of those agitating teachers come forth with a certified declaration of family poverty. If we give in to their demands we are setting a precedent. Tomorrow every contracted government worker is going to unionise and agitate that they be given permanent Government jobs. And we end up paying their salaries. The Government bureaucracy is far too bloated anyway. A large chunk of the budget goes to just paying Government salaries. Why are we adding to that debt? A little application of mind is required in this matter, and not just the heart. Cheers! Cecil =
[Goanet]Migration: Opportunities for children or wanderlust
Dear Salus, Thanks for your considered reply to my query. At least you have grasped the substance of my query, unlike Mario who construes any question as an attack on his choice and feels he has to belligerently defend that choice - when in fact there was no attack. Now let me take this debate on a slightly different track. Your initial mail said your children have an "advantage of choice as far as choice of careers go". But your response to my query below focuses on educational opportunities available in Australia. Agreed there is an obvious link between one's education and one's career but education opportunities do not necessarily mean there are career opportunities in the country. I have heard stories of qualified professionals in Australia (and elsewhere) doing menial jobs as there are no job opportunities in their particular field. Isn't that then a waste of an education? Not to say the problem does not exist in India, but we do admit to it. In a related vein, are we emphasising too much on the education of our children? Almost all parents I know in my age group (35-50), whether in India or abroad, are hell bent on giving their children the best possible education money (and loans) can buy. Sometimes it is because they themselves did not have that opportunity. In other cases it is a flock mentality. I am not denying the advantage of a good education but surely the weightage given is a bit disproportionate. I know of parents who live a lifestyle of relative poverty just so that they can pay their children's University fees (mostly private or abroad). Isn't the purpose of earning to also live a good life? The cycle tends to repeat itself and each generation spends so much time, energy and money blindly denying themselves - so that their children may have a higher education. My basic argument is that we lay much too much emphasis on over-educating our children as compared to other aspects of living. Almost all of us are involved in careers that make little or no use of the education our parents made possible for us by denying themselves some basic luxuries. Would I go abroad for a better lifestyle? Yes. For a chance to make a lot of money? Yes. For my own career advancement. Yes? For my children to have better education opportunities, which may or may not translate into a successful career? I doubt it. Cheers! Cecil == Salus wrote: Just have a go at any of the Australian Universities, and see the choice for yourself. And mind you, you do not need a grand distinction to gain entry, and mind you, these are very good centers of learning, far better than what is on offer in Goa. click here for more details: http://www.unimelb.edu.au/ http://www.latrobe.edu.au/ http://www.rmit.edu.au/ http://www.swin.edu.au/ http://www.monash.edu.au/ http://www.deakin.edu.au/ Now these are only a few universities in a small place like Melbourne. Go through the sites and see what is there on offer. Besides university degrees, there are also options of courses like TAFE etc., and like I said earlier, our children do have a better advantage as far as choice of careers go. If we were in Goa, we only had Goa University, and I do not have to say more. By the way, Goa is also bigger than Melbourne. So the question of choice is far bigger than you can imagine. I do not want to let our beloved Goa down, but sometimes we do need to make hard decisions for the sake of our loved ones. We were doing well in Goa, and were very comfortable, but had to leave it all behind for the sake of our children. Mind you, it did hurt a lot making that decision, but we just had to do it, and today we know we did not make a mistake. I agree that education here is very costly as compared to Goa, but there are Government subsidies to enable the young ones to afford whatever they need by way of education, and payback is slow on low interest terms, mainly deducted off your income, based on your income earned, when you earn it. In Goa, we have to rely on the banks, and I need not go into those details now. Incidentally, there are scores of Indian students including Goans ones studying independantly in Universities over here. Many opt to stay on after completion of their courses, but still many do opt to return to India, and I am not surprised with their decision in that regard. If my children decide to return to India, they will have my support too, in that decision. Your friend may have had different reasons for his migration, but then we all have our own very reasons too. For some it may be wanderlust, but not for all. By the way, I still love my Goa, and care a lot about what is going on there. Nothing can change or diminish the Goa that is in my heart.
[Goanet]AICHEA DISSAK CHINT0P - June 18, 2005!
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[Goanet]ZaccheausThe Tax-Collector : FOX
In Chinese myth the FOX has a central importance.As a predator the Fox is a loner.He has narrow contracting pupils. The sense of smell and hearing is excellent. At the age of ONE HUNDRED the Fox becomes capable of changing into any form at will; at the age of ONE THOUSAND his fur turned white,he had nine tails,and was omniscient. In animal legends and poetry the Fox is considered sly and crafty.IN CHRISTIAN SYMBOLISM IT CAN CONNOTE DECEITFULNESS, GREED AND DESPAIR. Zaccheaus the despised tax-collector who collaborated with the Roman occupying forces and lived by fleecing others was discovered by Jesus.When Jesus came to Jericho, Zaccheaus climbed up a mulberry tree to see the famous Rabbi.This hiding place offerred several advantages: he could see without being seen;he had a literal overview,and he could avoid bodily contact with the masses. But Jesus discovered him anyway. Jesus stopped beneath the tree and called up the tax-collector" Make haste and come down;for I must stay at your house today" Jesus invited himself to the tax-collectors house by tracking him down thus crossing the boundary ,and redeemed Zaccheaus.The encounter with Jesus transformed the life of Zaccheaus.In the end the tax-collector was capable of letting go all that he had hoarded. HE BECAME CAPABLE OF GIVING. And he celeberated a great feast with his colleagues. JESUS SET HIM FREE FROM HIS EGOCENTRICITY AND ISOLATION. ( Adapted from The ENNEAGRAM:A CHRISTIAN PERSPECTIVE) Must Jesus come to Goa,again and physically call out to our modern day tax-collector(s), so as to redeem him/them? Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
[Goanet]"Congress is communal " says Dr. Willy
The statement from Dr Willy makes me wonder what exactly is the definition of communal as per Dr Willy. Sachin Phadte _ Sajnaave or Dhoom machaale? http://server1.msn.co.in/sp05/iifa/ Make your favourite song win!
Re: [Goanet] Acres of Diamonds
--- Peter D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Gratuitous, yes; defensive, no. All I did was to >point out that the anecdote was meant to inspire and >(in my opinion) did nobody any harm. You're a >researcher (from what I understand), and you tell me >that society has been caused "grievous harm", so I >will wait for you to supply proof of such grievous >harm and injury to society. > Peter, I want to thank you for your mea culpas without questioning your motive and intent in offering them. I do not want to lessen in any way the pleasure you derive from grinning and giggling while sending your gratuitous (but not defensive) posts under this thread. Perhaps, your expressing of a personal opinion about Cynthia's motive to inspire is more important than my expressing the fact that her recycled copied and pasted material contained blatant falsehoods. However, I am surprised that you are demanding proof to back my statement of a common universally accepted rational moral principle that propagating lies and half-truths does grave harm to society. It should be quite obvious to anybody that I am simply being consistent in applying this principle to all urban legends circulated in this forum by anybody, a principle whose validity has been amply demonstrated over the course of recorded history. I am also sensing the compulsion you are now beginning to feel to defend your own private urban legend debunking record (without being defensive, I assume), and to somehow get back at me (without being defensive or offensive, I assume) by distorting my past public record of debunking urban legends and hoaxes. Regarding Mario's AIDS needles hoax, I have already said all I wanted to say. No amount of post-hoc rationalization can raise that urban legend from the lowly position that it occupies. But the really interesting and curious thing for me is the following from you: > >Cynthia had a posting about what to do in the event >of a tsunami, it contained a lot of useful advice. You >proceeded to tear it apart. At the end of it all I >don't think you really helped anyone, and I don't >think Cynthia harmed any one. > Please tell me which posting this was, and what useful advice Cynthia gave us. We will see then if I didn't help anyone in "tearing it apart", as you say. > >Many months ago Cynthia sent out a chain letter to >this group which contained falsehoods, so I promptly >wrote her privately and explained that it was false. > Please also tell me which chain letter this was, in which you managed to detect some falsehoods. Considering that you have detected none in her last installment of inspiring, copied and pasted material, I am really curious to know your threshold of detection of obvious falsehoods in chain letters. > >Hope that helps clarify. > Unfortunately, it does not. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]Historic 18 June
Today is a historic day in the history of Goa. On this day, in 1946, an unarmed Ram Manohar Lohia took on the might of the armed Portuguese empire. On this day, Dr. Lohia and several thousand Goans defied Portuguese law to converge on an open ground in Margao, Salcette, Goa to demand the colony's freedom. A policeman is said to have aimed a pistol at Dr Lohia wherupon the freedom-fighter held his hand saying, "If you shoot me, do you know what will happen to you?" The policeman backed off. Dr. Lohia and his companions were placed under arrest. After Goa's liberation, the venue of that historic meeting was christened Dr Lohia Maidan. This immortal poem written by Goa's no. 1 poet, Dr. Manoharrai Sardessai brings back that historic day to all of us. Otthra June 18 th June by Manohar Sardesai translated from the Konkani by Jaime de Mello and Samir Kelekar A sentence in Konkani Its English translation Udok legit zal'lem rogot Even the water had turned to blood Ani rogot zal'lem hun And the blood had become hot. Bhava tuka iad asa Brother, do you remember Otthra Jun? The 18th of June? Bondkhonniche dukhest chire The sad bricks of the prison Nove axen dhodd'dhoddle Throbbed with new hope, Finrgealem mostem bonder The insolent flag of the foreigner Thorthorot somzolem Trembled with understanding Vavzhoddint vetlem mhonnun It would be swept in the windy rain, Pinzun Pinzun Torn to shreds. Bhava tuka iad asa Brother, do you remember Otthra Jun? The 18th of June? Mongllaracho aslo dis It was a Tuesday, Pavs nettan poddttalo A hard rain was falling, Ambeamullant gavddeapor Under the mango tree, a Gawdi boy Kuddkuddot roddttalo Was shivering and crying, Lokhnnacho ailo purus An iron man appeared Khoim sakun konna khobor Nobody knows from where, Tujea xinvaulean gelim You felt a shudder Amchim bhuzam xinxinvun Running through your shoulders. Thoran poram ailim dhanvot Children came running Konnak khobor khoim sakun From nowhere, Zulmachea tubkantlean The cannons of war Ujeagulle gele suttun Unleashed fire balls, Rogtachi ub mellun The heat of blood Bhuim amchi zali hun Scorched our land. Bhava tuka iad asa Brother, do you remember Otthra Jun? The 18th of June? Soddnnukecho ailo dis The day of liberation arrived, Utthun ubo ravlo monis The people stood upright, Sogle pas poddle tuttun Each and every shackle broken. Bhava tuka iad asa Brother, do you remember Otthra Jun? The 18th of June? Kitle oxe aile gele Many days have gone by Otthra Jun! Like the 18th of June! Ambeamullant Kuddkuddta But, under the mango tree, Gavddeacho por ozun The Gawdi boy still weeps, Bhangrachem Goem amchem And our golden Goa Kitlem asa pois ozun! Remains far beyond our reach! Mollbacho mattov pinzun Let the sky's canopy be torn asunder, Kupam foddun, goddgoddun And clouds broken with the roar of thunder, Zoglachea zhogzhogant And the flash of lightning, Ghiss korun zhogzhogun May the light dazzle, Doddkevori lottun, futtun Rush and break like a storm, Ienv di porot Otthra Jun Let the 18th of June return! Bhava tuka iad asa? Brother, do you remember? Tea disa ugddasan The memories of that day Hodd'ddem mhojem pett'ta oz Still light up my heart. Bhava tuka iad asa Brother, do you remember Otthra Jun? Tne 18th of June? Glossary : "Finrgealem" (derived from `Firangi' meaning foreigner or Portuguese a.k.a "paklo" singular plural meaning "white (man)" in Konkani. Gawdi = aborigine, a native of Goa. - Today, we need liberation from the sex-scandalist and other looters of Goa. We have already liberated ourselves from the communal BJP. Let us pledge that we will not rest till we do so. Jai Hind! Samir
Re: [Goanet]Most active Goanetters are not Americans
Does this mean; US invaded Iraq for Oil??? Sorry to say, but thats how it sounds to me ! hAVE a nICE dAY Seb.. - Original Message - From: "Mario Goveia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> No one seems to mention that the US went to war with Germany, Japan and Italy, virtually destroyed them and then helped rebuild them to the point that they are now allies. So, what's the point of the repeated references to the US having helped Saddam at one time. Basically, countries do what serves their perceived interests. The strong ones have far more options than the weak ones, who are left to accept the status quo because there is nothing much they can do about anything.
RE: [Goanet]Re: Hi-tech cameras to scan traffic violations
What I would like to know is... What is the speed on most of these roads/highways...If I knew the speed, I would abide by the laws.. -Original Message- From: jerry fernandes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 June 2005 08:32 To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet]Re: Hi-tech cameras to scan traffic violations Hello All Does it mean corruption will stop? What about Police ka chai panni? If it is going to stop all these corruptions than three cheers to the traffic department. Especially, number of accidents might reduce and save lots of lives. Cheers Jerry Fernandes Hi-tech cameras to scan traffic violations PANJIM, June 14: The transport department is in the process of taking some major decisions including on driving license. An experiment with the mounted cameras has already been carried out successfully prompting the government to introduce the same shortly. (H)
RE: [Goanet]RE: Monsoons... and GMC alumni
In my honest opinion... I doubt very much... That's a huge chunk of metal to move from it's berthed area...but it's a sight to behold.. I've got some great shots of this 'tourist' attraction and it's hard to believe how close to the beach this environmental disaster is. Best views are from FABR (Fort Aguada Beach Resort) and from the beach itself at Candolim. Cheers, Allwyn -Original Message- From: Samantha Townsend [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 June 2005 08:23 To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet]RE: Monsoons... and GMC alumni HI there What news is there if any regarding the River Princess, will she be gone before the next holiday season?? Thanks Sam
