Re: [Goanet]Goans, GoaNet and caste
Alfred - Ti' Amina was from Chinchinim, not Loutulim. She was a grand lady and is greatly missed. Viviana Alfred de Tavares wrote: From: Viviana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet]Goans, GoaNet and caste Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 09:24:42 -0700 Cecil - as usual you have managed to find humor in any situation. My only question is this: If caste can be ascertained by name and village, why is there ever a need to mention it? Viviana F/??/C/H MWF Viv, Could the grandmother you mentioned earlier, Amina of venerable memory be from Loutulim? Alfred. =
[Goanet]WGKF's BIO-DIVERSITY PLANTATION at Goa University
Dear Netters, This article appears in the Margao Plus and the North Goa Plus of July 2005. I have kept a copy of each for Rico at Cafe Prakash. regards, Miguel BIO-DIVERSITY PLANTATION at Goa University The Vice-Chancellor of Goa University Prof. P. S. Zacharias , former Chancellor and former Governor of Goa Mohammad Fazal, the DGM of State Bank of India (SBI) Vijaylakshmi Menon, the MD of Multi-Commodity Exchange of India (MCX) Jignesh Shah, Director of Sesa Goa A.K.Rai and Chairman of Western Ghats Kokum Foundation (WGKF) Dr.Ajit Shirodkar were among the hundred persons who planted a seedling or graft of fruit plants at Goa University to mark the launch of the multi-agency supported Biodiversity Plantation led by WGKF, Goa. The costs of the improvements in the first phase will be met through generous sponsorships obtained by the WGKF for this project from the State Bank of India (SBI) and the Multi-Commodity Exchange of India (MCX). WGKF, a registered society, and Goa University have signed a MoU recently by which WGKF will undertake greening of the GU campus. Sesa Goa has come forward to take up plantation on about ten acres of land. The Chowgules have agreed to provide heavy machinery required to excavate pits in rock. The representatives of both, Sesa Goa and Ramesh Chowgule, have already visited the campus for discussions and site survey. Other agencies and NGOs have come forward with mutally or socially beneficial projects to be conducted in collaboration with the Goa University. P.G. Kakodkar, in the meanwhile , has launched a blitzkrieg to raise funds for development at the Goa University under a simple slogan "Support Goa University". He has put in Rs.10,001 as his personal contribution and this was immediately supported by Mohd. Fazal and others with their contributions. Demand Drafts / Cheques drawn in favour of "Support Goa University" may be sent to P.G. Kakodkar at 6, Palm Grove, Miramar, Panaji-Goa. The amount will be credited to a SBI account and handed over to the Goa University for development works when about Rs. 1.00 crore is collected. Not a large sum if one tenth of Goa's population contributes just Rs. 100 each. Should you want to be a part of this worthy exercise, please deposit your contribution by cash, cheque or draft in Savings Account 5097 in the SBI,Goa University Branch. Money transfers may be done through SWIFT No.SBININBB366 to account No. 4311/011 000 05097 that stands in the name of "WGKF A/c SUPPORT GOA UNIVERSITY" in the State Bank of India. Please intimate us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or write to Shri P.G.Kakodkar at 6,Palmgrove, behind Hotel Goa International, Tonca,Miramar, Panaji-403 001,Goa, so that we may draw a WGKF receipt for the contribution. Kakodkar has set his target at Rs. 4 crore and he knows what he is talking about. He rose from a probationary officer to the Chairman of SBI in his 40 year career.
[Goanet]CITISTATE THINKING: DELHI MODEL
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1169996.cms Does Delhi need a development plan? RIPUNJOY KUMAR SARMA INDIATIMES NEWS NETWORK[ THURSDAY, JULY 14, 2005 01:21:20 AM]
[Goanet]RE; KONKANI RING TONES
Dear Joe, Chod Dev borem korum Irmao, I got both the ring tones today early in the morning at 5. AM. Today being the weekend over here in Dubai, I will clear all the pending requests so all those requested are assured of receiving it by today evening. Any fresh request are most welcome!! Joe, aum tum sangata tem korta re, maka tujea Xirapache birant dissona pun Konkanicho mog assa munon!!! Have a wonderful day!! Regards, Luis Rodrigues Chimbel / Dubai Joe wrote: Kitem re Luis Irmao, mojer visvas nam kitem re tuka ? Believe me or not, I was to send you within 3 days probably this sat. Do you know? frm my Goa/Idea roaming cell it cost me Rs.15 per sms or Ringtone? Again, from any network here, the cost is 20p (about Rs.17) i.e. up to Rs.2,210. Some network gives free SMS quota monthly but international sms are charged 20p. ___ Too much spam in your inbox? Yahoo! Mail gives you the best spam protection for FREE! http://in.mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] A proposal to end debates that go on ad nauseam
Dear Goanet Administrators, I have some suggestions regarding moderation of discussions on Goanet mainly to reduce the burden on you who are doing a very difficult and thankless job. By virtue of the fact that Goanet is a moderated list, you can formulate and explicitly state some clear-cut, uniform rules of moderation, and alert everybody that you would strictly abide by these rules. These rules could be something along the following lines: 1. No more than 4 posts per day per person. Any extra posts will be rejected irrespective of the content, except if it is an emergency alert. 2. Any posts containing serious personal attacks or accusations against private individuals will be rejected. 3. Any contentious and heated argument will be terminated after 5 rounds, at the discretion of the moderators, after giving one last opportunity to the contenders to state their closing arguments. 4. No private complaints against any individual or against the content of any post will be entertained. All complaints should be posted publicly in the forum. Please don't regard the above as some haughty piece of advice from me. I don't like to advise people, and you folks certainly have more experience in these matters than I do. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet]CITISTATE THINKING: THE CRUX OF THE PROBLEM
I thought that the panch yats had a bharat beginning. Where are the regedor's? B. Colaco > > He points out that the Portuguese designated Panjim > as a capital city and > planned it accordingly (at least as far as the road > network is concerned). > Similarly they designated a number of towns in Goa > and endowed them with > municipal councils. In contrast villages were run by > village panchayats. > Yet, some of these villages and aggregations of them > seem more urbanised in > appearance (i.e. in terms of building structures) > than the towns and > capital! > > ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Limiting Mario and Mario-related Posts
Here's a suggestion to cut down on some of the posts both from Mario and in response to Mario's posts. In order to do this we must identify the following types of posts: 1. Comments from Mario. 2. Comments about Mario. 3. Comments about the content of Mario's posts. 4. Debates concerning the content about Mario's posts. In each case we assign one person to receive, compile and post comments to goanet@goanet.org *once a day*. 1. In the first case Mario initiates. We'll ask Mario to maintain a sensible limit on the number of postings initiated by him each day, or even have him put several of them in a single daily mail. Total daily posts = 0 or more. 2. This second category contains rants about Mario from people who don't respond to Mario's arguments but, instead, choose to insult him. Jose Colaco would make a perfect candidate to receive/compile/post such comments from other Goanetters and himself. Mario can safely ignore this daily compilation. This daily digest of insults will reduce the amount of Goanet postings very significantly. Total daily posts=1 (or less, if we're being civil) 3. A third category might contain brief responses to the content of Mario's posts from persons who generally want to make a point without engaging in debate. George Pinto represents this small-ish category of posters and will probably do a fine job at compiling a daily digest of such posts for all of us. Mario can respond to all the issues raised by writing a single response. Total posts/day=2 or less. 4. This last category, alas, represents a tiny minority of Goanet posters (and an even tinier percent of Goanet readers). This group of posters are open-minded and tackle Mario's arguments, not Mario the person. They are willing to be informed and are gracious in the way they inform. Cornel DaCosta will make a good candidate to filter, organise and forward another daily digest of debate. If he deems content inappropriate, he can pass it along to George or Jose as each case merits. Again, one daily posting will generate one response from Mario. Total posts/day=2 or less. GRAND TOTALS: Minimum possible postings from or related to Mario or his posts: ZERO Maximum number of posts related to or about Mario and his posts, excluding those initiated by Mario himself: FIVE Yours very sincerely, Peter D'Souza
RE: [Goanet]Putting each other down...
Here are my views, * Goanet Admin should be more strict while allowing posts that could result in a flame-war AGREE * Goanet Admin should allow all winds to blow, and leave it for Goanetters to speak out when they feel someone violates the line AGREE * Goanetters should post a maximum of 4 posts each day. This could encourage people to post quality. DISAGREE * No limits should be set on the number of posts each day AGREE * Every Goanetter should be required to make at least one post of three lines each week, so as to build a sense of participation AGREE Avelino Bastora/Kuwait _ Frederick Noronha (FN)wrote: Goanet might really become a better place if we all (me too!) concentrated less on putting each other down, and less on proving ourselves right. Awaiting the views of others. Specially those who suffer the loquacious us the year-round ;-) FN
[Goanet]liberated by the army!
Gabriel de Figueredo wrote: Goa has not been "liberated" at all, the way the Indian Armed Forces have behaved so far. All they appear to want to do is to crush the Goan spirit, and to brainwash its people, by force if need be. You may not have experienced their attitudes to civilians first hand - I have, on two occasions, both when I was a teen: once in 1967, then in 1973. __ Very true indeed. I remember an instance when I parked on the road by the side of the military establishment near the Collectorate in Panjim. I was approached by a thuggish looking creep armed with rifle and ordered to move away from where I parked. I was very firm and told him that I was on public road, over which they had no hold or authority. I attempted to report this to the Panjim Police station, but was directed to make the complaint to the PMC instead. Disgusted, I just gave up as I felt I was being handballed, and that nobody wanted to interfere with the military. The army has no respect for the people of Goa, and have proved it time and again. Take for example the case of the Merces spring. This was a lovely spring where all of us used to go for a bath on hot days when we were young. Today the spring is contaminated and stinks foul. The army has put up septic tanks right over the source of the spring, and no one seems to care. The people of Merces have tried their best, but looks like it has all fallen on deaf ears. I am not sure of the present status as I have been out of touch with the subject for some time. But the fact remains as Gabriel rightly pointed out. The army considers Goa as their spoils of war. salus
[Goanet]RE: Suffix!
Mogal Domnic bab, Thank you for your information on "Suffix". It has broaden my knowledge. Even Mr. Cecil explained me how they use it in Bardez. Its completely different how we use it in Tiswadi. So the bottom line "Suffix" differs from Taluka to Taluka irrespective of cast. Regards, Luis Rodrigues Chimbel / Dubai Domnic Fernandes wrote: I have personally witnessed people addressing the "Cristao Bamonn bhattkarni" (Christian Brahmin landladies) using the suffix 're' (pronounced 'ray',) but that was in the 1950's; that generation is dead and gone now. __ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your friends 'n family snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://in.photos.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]RE: DIFFERENT STROKES
What about the Naval base in Cavelossim, in Salcete.? Are they using that base also besides Dabolim? Edward Verdes Jeddah/KSA > 3. Bird, in Southernmost Goa or Karwar > >
Re: [Goanet]Ups & Down ---Live your life
I have noticed a lot of "inspirational" posts by Cynthia. Are her posts her original works or are they being plagiarized/copied/cut and pasted from other sources? If it is the latter, is it proper for this content to be appearing on Goanet without the appropriate references? Marlon --- Cynthia Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Life is full of ups and downs. Good times and bad > times. > Difficult times, easier times. Expectations > fulfilled and at > other times expectations frustrated.
Re: [Goanet]Drivel
Goenkars ! I am Glad that so many of our Goanetters have spoken ! I only hope that we feel the shame and move forward in Focusing on Goa and all things GoaN. > I strongly believe that when one engages in duels > with fools one becomes a fool himself. *said Vivian How many of us would fall in that category , i wonder ? I have known Vivian for nearly as many years as i have been on this planet , he has and continues to work for the Goan Community wherever that may be. He is the past General Secretary of The Dar es Salaam Institute -(formerly Goan Institute ) having spent most his daylight hours running the affairs of the club. I believe that he has eloquently expressed himself and said what I have been unable to put into words. I am also glad that Victor , Santosh , Mario , Seb , George , Edward and many others who have come out in support of the Goanet Admin , they have shared with us their thoughts , its now for the majority of us to support the Goanet admin in how they run this egroup and let us move forward. It is a shame that we have just a handful of Goans and Friends of Goa ( FOG ) who make posts on this forum and express their thoughts on how this egroup should be run.We need a consensus - that will strengthen the hands of the Goanet Admin. on how they need to run this Goanet organization. Mere words will not help us , we need ACTION , as we have heard from so many of us here and every where in the world ...the people are just TIRED of words...and as Nelson Mandela said - a few days ago .. ...* We are HUNGRY FOR ACTION ! and so should all of us ...WHO care for Goa and Goans. I have often been reminded that - what one does for the community one does it for himself... I will share with you in the coming days of what ACTION our WORLD GOAN ORGANIZATIONS are planing for WORLD GOA DAY YOU too have a choice to JOIN the celebrations. I do not have an Internet connection at home as yest ( 2 months ) , I do therefore apologize to the many of you who may have not received a reply to your emails to me. i will asp. I am pleased to inform you that Goanet will once again support WORLD GOA DAY , I also hope that other Goan Organizations will extend their support and work in partnership.We canot afford to work alone , we need partnership , togetherness , unity and everything that brings TOGETHER. I am also pleased to share with you all that We are recommending that all participants of WGD - support the Goanet and BSG partnership idea of * PLANT A TREE * We are suggesting that all WGD functions should begin by a TREE PLANTING ceremony Goans of Texas had such a ceremony two years ago , they had a mango sapling which they planted at the WGD event !, I wonder if Santosh or some one else from that part of the world can share their thoughts on that event ? Thank you guys for bearing with me ... If you have come to this bit , then you have taken an interest in reading what I have said. rene barreto WORLD GOA DAY - 20th of August , 2005 - is GOAN SOLIDARITY DAY == Just read -and I thought i d sahre. "Man is but a small strand in the web of life, what he does to the web he does to himself." --- Vivian D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fellow GoaNetters > > I have silently endured some of the postings on > GoaNet > in recent months, and am ready to depart, but before > I > do, let me vent my frustration. > > Some of the postings that we have seen lately are > downright disgusting. Under the guise of free > speech > and open discussion the GoaNet Administration has > allowed such drivel, which in previous years would > have probably been censored and the offending > parties > banned from GoaNet. > >> Consider me another dis-illusioned GoaNetter and > throw > as many brickbats as you wish. I am very proficient > at pushing the delete button !!! > > Vivian A. D'Souza (not to be confused with > Viviana) > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Putting each other down...
A few suggestions: 1. Do not change the subject line... if you are replying to a particular post. The debate must be on the same subject. This will help in reducing posts as you will be able to reply to 5-10 netters at one time (with copy n paste) on the same subject instead of making indivivual posts. 2. A poll on the website with suggestions n type of topics one would be interested to read. eg Goa related topics or USA/UK/Canada War topics /not related to Goa/India. 3. Need to be a little strict allowing posts where name calling is involved. 4. Plain text is OK, but I have read somewhere that rich text mails are more prone to virus. and also increases the size of the mails. Regards Edward Verdes Jeddah/Chinchinim/KSA > What would be your views on the following suggestions: >
[Goanet]Tree planting is getting Contagious ........
WORKING TOGETHER for a better VASCO 000 From: Simon D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Tree planting program on 16th. Dears. This is just to inform you'll that the Die is cast to plant & distribute over 2000 saplings of various species in & around Vasco. The digging of Pits are in full swing. The saplings will be collected tomorrow from Ponda Nurseries, courtesy Dr.F.L.Coelho. Besides ornamental, a few Fruit bearing saplings too will be procured -if available. Am expected to accompany our Municipal gardeners. This programm is being executed with the co ordination & co-coperation of the following:- -Municipality including the 20 councillors -Jaycees -Social Welfare Association. -Schools. -Local Press -Vasco Judge -Forest dept. The Program will be graced by our Hon. M.P. Mr.Churchill Alemao, Cabinet Minister Mr.Subash Shirodkar. local M.L.A.'s M/s-Karl Vaz, & Arlekar, Judge Mr.D'silva, Mr. Minguel Branganza-President of B.S.Goa Dy.Conservator of Forset Dr.Coelho, other Forest Officials--Mr.S.R.Prabhu / Mr.Amar Heblekar, Mr.Sandeep Azrekar- Goa Convenor of Nisarga Nature Club, Mr.SujeetaKumar Dongre--Goa Incharge-- Centre for Environmental Education (all this made possible by Mr.Minguel Brangaza--Thank You Minguel) plus ofcourse other local prominent citizens & lovers of Flora & Fauna. Requesting everyone & specially our Vascokars to kindly give a helping Hand specially to greenify & beautify our Browing Town, which is the only planned city in whole of our Goa, The program will commence from 9.30 A,M. onwords in front of the Municipality. Thinking of offering Herbal Saplings instead of Flower Bouquets to the Ministers. Okay? Jaycee Yogesh Chodonkar & many others have voluntered to be the coordinators. Thank you'll This is all for the moment, & may be more tomorrow as we all are meeting again today. Any more suggestions/ideas? Please... Thanks & God Bless. Yours' Lover of Flora & Fauna.. Simon === rene barreto __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Advice
Don't associate with people you can't trust. Don't dictate because you are smarter. Don't demand because you are stronger. Don't date because you are desperate. Don't marry because you are miserable. Don't hurt your kids because loving them is harder. To terminate your loneliness, reach out to the homeless. To feed your nurturing instincts, care for the needy. Don't bring another life into this world for all the wrong reasons. Don't live life recklessly without thought and feeling for your family. Be true to yourself. Don't commit when you are not ready. Don't keep others waiting needlessly. Take care of yourself. Don't wait for someone to take care of you. You light up your life. You drive yourself to your destination. No one completes you - except YOU. Cynthia
[Goanet]CHUKLELIM PANVLAM declared A Super Hit Show by the Audience in Kuwait
CHUKLELIM PANVLAM  declared A Super Hit Show by the Audience 24th June 2005 witnessed a new era on the Konkani Stage in Kuwait. Under the auspices of Ferns Brothers Production, Mario de Majorda staged his third Konkani Drama, a suspense thriller titled "CHUKLELIM PANVLAM" (Strayed Footsteps) at the Hawally A/C Auditorium to a capacity crowd. The show, a heart-stopper was declared a Super Hit by the crowd during the interval itself. It's truly unbelievable, as the reaction from the huge crowd was tremendous. This Tiatr (drama) lifted the Konkani stage to a new height with his unique presentation. The show got underway with a video projection depicting a funeral, followed by the titling thus introducing each artists  the presentation was truly wonderful. There was no turning back as each item whether a song, play, comedy was a treat to watch. Kudos to Mario de Majorda for a marvelous script. The suspense of the play got more intriguing with each scene which left the large audience glued to their seats. Each artistes had taken great pains in performing their part to the best of their ability. To begin with Cajetan de Sanvordem as the Grand-father made his presence felt with his superb acting. Adrian Gomes as the son was excellent. Gracy Morais' role of a wicked daughter-in-law was enacted with much gusto which proved the Director's trust in her acting prowess. Teen Artist Master Jonathan was simply too good in his acting and while his sad role brought tears to the eyes of many, his witty dialogues were applauded with resounding claps. Apparently Mario de Majorda must have put lot of hard work in grooming Jonathan for this role as the results were quite rewarding. Donald Colaco, proved yet again why he is nick-named the Nana Patekar of the Konkani Stage. His villain laced character was a turning point of the play as Donald did full justice to his tailor-made role. The handsome Ulhas Tari and ravishing Jessica Gomes who were specially flown in from Goa for the very first time proved with their superb acting that they are thorough professionals; thus leaving a lasting impression in the minds of the Kuwait based Konkani lovers. Laurie Miranda, Joseph Rodrigues and Clara Rodrigues were very impressive in their cameo roles. The back-ground music for the play & comedy was provided by the upcoming sensation Philip Gracias who did a wonderful job on the organ. Music for the play songs was masterminded by Maestro Socorro DeMelo.The visiting professional comedians Agostinho and Salvy along with Comedy Queen Querobina, and Rocky had a point to prove  that they have great respect for the Konkani lovers in Kuwait and will not take them for granted with cheap antics. The tedious task of firing with all barrels open in order to gain the confidence of Konkani tiatr lovers was always at the back of their mind. Thus they came out strong with a superb blend of comedy to make the audience laugh their hearts out. The comedy based on Chor-Police-Advocate in a family triangle added a feather in the hat of the director. The opening Chorus rendered by Anthony Ferns, Master Jonathan and Mario de Majorda with superb choreography by Ms. Conchita and Troupe was simply breathtaking and graceful. The music provided by professionals Socorro, Shahu, Faustinho, Dennis and Agnelo was quite memorable and kept the audience stunned, mesmerized and lost of words. All the 12 songs churned out by Jose Rod, Kuwait's Trio Kings Cajetan-Marcus-Mario, Young Trio Jonathan-Clifford-Terence, Michael D'Silva, Querobina Carvalho, Francis de Verna, Gracy Morais and Ulhas Tari were undoubtedly the best. However a little praise should go to Ulhas Tari who had the privilege to render his first ever solo on the Konkani Stage. T-Britton who made his first appearance in Kuwait with this show will be remembered by the Kuwait Konkani lovers for his repeat performance of his solo "Alice". The final video projection depicting a hotel scene was beautifully and professionally picturized on Gracy, Donald and Clara. It was note worthy to mention that till the final curtain was drawn the audiences were still glued to their seats wanting for more to come, as the suspense unfolded. During the interval the Chief Guest, GWS PRO Wilson Coelho praised Ferns Brothers for their hard work and tremendous efforts in presenting a unique drama. Ulhas Tari, Jessica Gomes, T-Britton, Comedian Salvy, Comedian Agostinho were felicitated by Kuwait Goan Association through their initiator Salvador Dias. Qerobina Carvalho and Cajetan de Sanvordem were felicitated by the Ferns Brothers for their contribution to the Konkani stage. In fulfillment of his dream to utilize God's given talent for the benefit of the down-trodden, Mario de Majorda made it public that the proceeds of the show in the sum of Rs. 1,05,000/- would be spent for the welfare of the HOME FOR THE AGED facility in his home village, Majorda, Salcette and Rs. 10,000/- generated by organizing the game of HOUSI
[Goanet]WHATS THE BEST DEAL ON SIM CARDS IN GOA
HELLOW IF ONE TAKES HIS MOBILE PHONE TO GOA . IF IN GOA WHAT IS THE BEST DEAL TO CHANGE YOUR SIM CARD , WHERE LOCAL CALLS AND INTERNATIONAL CALLS CAN BE MADE FROM GOA . OR ARE THE CALLBOXES CHEAPER TO MAKE INTERNATIONAL CALL S. REGARDS CYRIL TAN SALES (LONDON) LTD UNIT B, COLINDALE BUSINESS PARK 2/10 CARLISLE ROAD LONDON NW9 0HN ENGLAND TEL: +44 20 8205 6881 FAX: +44 20 8205 6884 EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: www.tansales.co.uk This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited.
[Goanet]Email ID for every Goan
__ Please permit me to share this post which first appeared on VASCOKARS United net , I found it very informative and thought it may be beneficial to Goans on this Forum. This is an UNITED effort ...and a result of our TOGETHERNESS rene barreto MAKING IT HAPPEN ... not waiting for others to make it happen. __-- From: Miguel Braganza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Email ID for every Goan Dear Rene, Frogs croak when the rains come.Thank god they croak at least once a yearfor a season. That is their mating call. The perpetuate themselves. I cannot say as much for Goans who create FREE yahoo, hotmail, rediffmail or indiatimes IDs that die in the same season that they are born. I am still a votary of giving PAID email connection being given to one student in every ward with a Cyberage computer. Other villagers can access their mail through this student. It will also reduce the load on the cybercafes. I did not realise the value of the service rendered by our cybercafe system till I went to Bhutan on an assignment recently. the charge there is Rs.180/- to Rs.200/- per hour. Hotels charge even more. One can access internet for Rs.20/- to Rs.40/- in Goa. The Rotary Club of Mapuca now has created two yahoogroups; one for the entire club and the other exclusively for its Directors. It works wonders for communication. Everyone knows what is happening in their home club. The few senior members who are not net savvy are now asking their children to printout and give them the mail. Saves time ,energy and money for the club. also keeps their email IDs from lapsing due to non-use. We have two yahoogroups lists for the Botanical Society of Goa, too. This is something that every club can do. Simon D'Souza wants to do tree planting in Vasco on Saturday 16 July. Like Philip, he may be politically motivated. It does not matter to me. If he is organising tree plantation in an organised way, I am with him. So is the BSG. We will not canvass for him.We will definitely help him plant trees in Vasco or elsewhere in Goa. Viva Vasco. Miguel - Original Message - From: "rene barreto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Many of our NGO 's will NOT support / Particiapte > anythig that does not concern in what they do , thay > at time do not even have Time to respond to an email. > > It is precicesly beacause of that we have made no > progress in Goa for the last ...what 45 years. Tell me > - what have the SOME of the NGO's achieved. > > I am glad that Daniel has brought up the subject of > EMAIL ADDRESSES , Why cant we have all our Goans have > an email addresses , I had suggested to the Goans on > the Goan Forum - that we try and get every Goan an > email address...ONLY Goanet joned in this effort , > they even took it upon themselves to support this > project. I believe that it is Imperative that we get > every Goan to have an email address , by doing so , we > can reach those where nothig else can reach. ! > What a shame , we have thousands of people of Vasco > who have an email address - But we can master even 200 members on this forum ...WHY ? > rene barreto > PLANT A TREE on WORLD GOA DAY - 20th Ausust 2005 > = Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
RE: [Goanet] A proposal to end debates that go on ad nauseam
I agree with 2, 3 & 4, but point 1 is highly discriminatory and restrictive to a poster who has to debate with a group or like minded individuals, who have a common stand and collectively put out more than 4 posts on the subject being discussed. This sort of bias will seriously impede the debate and will be a one sided contest. Avelino Bastora/Kuwait __ Santosh Helekar wrote: 1. No more than 4 posts per day per person. Any extra posts will be rejected irrespective of the content, except if it is an emergency alert. Please don't regard the above as some haughty piece of advice from me. I don't like to advise people, and you folks certainly have more experience in these matters than I do. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]RingTones: update -- Are Luis, Kit sangom tuka????
Sumra zalam re Luis irmao? pondra rupian ek rington munn hanven tuka don dadlole.. Kit kai muleari, temi mure muge ponchis rupian ek kon poixe kale!! Tum maka sanje matxe bazarant meu, maka muge poixam matxe goroz aha. Ponas rupia muliar mak voddle, xi keso picasao re, maka ani aiz rati jem pota? Tum zanna ami londokar kesole irmutte poi te, muge bhaile ani kollot zalear ti mak dovota? Mak sanje sofacher nidoilo zalear nidoilo. Besto mure hanv bor aslokoden patkam poddlom Tum choi, tum menna zalear tugem sambhall!! Hi, That was typical Xasti or 'salcette' konkani. Ok, here it is in short (the main message) To sms from Goa say idea to Goa Cost Re.1 India Rs.3 Abroad Rs.5 With roaming, the same from abroad will be.. Goa Rs.15 India Rs.20 ouside India Rs.25 This is just for info only. So, now you know why I was delaying. There is another reason, it is possible to receive along with the ring tone my personal number too- One has to think twice ? (Soon I will write WHY?) Very soon I am buying new 'sms only' sim card and clear the whole back log. will send to all (except Gulf & India as Luis irmao doing this Job) A request: please re-submit your request for yr FREE rington (including gulfies) as some of you must have got already from Luis. Sorry, for the trouble and messing things up. 'Cusotmers satisfaction in our Motto' 'We dont sell cheap things but we sell things cheap' to GOANs only. Special offer: Loyalty bonus -FREE konkani RingTone for all customers. Thanks you for your custom, its a pleasure doing business with you. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For info on Konkani VCDs (Films, Tiatr, Comedies and films on GOA...) http://konkani-vcd.swiki.net/1 ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet]GOMECO UK reunion
Goeankars ! Maria and myself - were privileged to have been invited by Dr. Abhay Vadya and Dr.Simo Fernandes - to attend the GOMECO - annual gathering - in Telford , UK. At this Goan Doctors gathering , (we were the only *non-dotors* - * Hators * as some would like to call us in Konkani ) we were made very much at home many of those present spoke in Konkani which was indeed a great pleasure to listen to. The Doctors included both Hindus and Catholics were also joined by their families , it was indeed a great - but a simple occasion - where every one mixed very freely and every one looked after each other - and us too : - ) One of the best Goan gatherings I have attended ! I was invited to share my thoughts on how - Goan Doctors could help the people of Goa- in Goa. The results were very positive - I will share with you the details of this meet at a later date.. -( when I have my Internet connection at home ( 8MB !.from Bulldogbroadband..I have been waiting for the last two months) But in the meantime , I would like to share a Photographic story of the gathering - photos by Dr. Abhay Vadya. GOMECO - UK reunion.another GREAT Goan TOGETHERness http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/abhayv56/album?.dir=/31cb&.src=ph&.tok=ph3aJLDBDqNnpjmE rene barreto GOAN SOLIDARITY DAY - 20TH of AUGUST 2005 = Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet]FW: Migration for pleasure
Sorry forgot to send in plain text. -Original Message- From: O'Leary,RJ,Rebecca,MNU3 R Sent: 13 July 2005 10:55 To: 'goanet@goanet.org' Subject: Migration for pleasure Dear All I don't really understand why recent postings seem to find some kind of stigma attached to migration for economic reasons. I originally migrated from Ireland to Canada for the purposes of doing a Masters degree. Some would say this was for higher education but actually my motivation for choosing Canada (apart from it being a beautiful country with lovely people) was that I was offered a big scholarship. My reason for pursuing further education was to enhance my potential earnings in the future so it could be said that I was an economic migrant. >From Canada I moved to Malawi to work as a missionary teacher. As a missionary >I was paid the same wage as the local teachers, which is a lot less than >teachers sent by development agencies and volunteer organisations. One could >say that this migration was purely for life experience since economically I >would have been better off staying in Canada or returning to Ireland. However, >in Malawi I met my future husband who was visiting his remaining family there. >The bulk of his family having moved to the UK in the 70's during the Banda >years when hostilities towards Asian businessmen was at its pinnacle. One could say he moved to the UK for political and economic reasons since the political climate had a detrimental affect on his business. Six months after he returned to the UK I migrated to the UK for love. I never had any desire to live in the UK and at that time it was one of the last places in the world I wanted to move to but I couldn't live without the love of my life. Incidentally I have grown to love the UK for its tolerance and diversity and the opportunities it provides for anyone prepared to work hard. My husband and I have done very well here together and I personally have done a lot better than if I had followed my original plan which was to work in India. However having visited Goa several times in the last couple of years we have decided that we want to spend as much time there in the future as possible and to this end have built a house there. When we are able to unravel the many ties we have in the UK we might possibly try to migrate to Goa. This and hopefully final migration would not be as retirees as we are both relatively young but as migrants for pleasure. Part of the pleasure though relates to the incredibly low cost of living in Goa so perhaps we are ultimately economic migrants once again. Rebecca O'Leary London PS To David Futers I totally agree with your thread AFRAID. I am fairly nervous posting this innocuous rambling as I am sure to have inadvertently offended someone
RE: [Goanet]RE: DIFFERENT STROKES
Hi all, I believe from past news reports, that there is a commitment for an airfield at or close to Sea Bird. There was also some news that, the Navy is wanting to acquire more land near Sea Bird for expansion in Southern most Goa, presumably for the airfield?? With reference to what Edward Verdes, wherein he talks of the Cavelossim area: The naval presence here is neither a base nor an airfield; in the sense that aircraft neither land or take off from here! It is quite a large enclosure with two high towers, rising ugly above the tree top level! It's fenced off for 'safety' reasons only, and served by a road from the main Cavelossim-Margao road. The areas was acquired for the Naval Air to practice straffing and also air /sea rescue missions. Most the year this place is very quiet, as far as any real activity is concerned. Nowadays, they just fly over once in a while, as if to maintain a claim on the place, only to irritate local people, since this area is in close proximity to a dense residential area. Their aircraft takes off and lands back in Dabolim, whilst they fly these sorties, over this 'virgin beach' and prime tourism land! This area is part of the 35 kms of the longest unbroken beach in Goa' in South Goa! Contamination of the soil where they have been straffing using dummy shells, is high; no amount of complaints can move or hurt the mighty Navy. Is this military rule or is the state govt. so lame and without any teeth? Or is it that the Govt. being based in Panjim (and or now on Porvorim Plateau) is least bothered about what happens to their citizens in South Goa. Is this right and tolerable? No. What are the local Gaunkars and politicians doing about this? Well the answer is that when this area was requisitioned by the Navy, in the 70s the local Gaunkars and Communidade made lots of money over it, and became very rich overnight! Their mouths are effectively sealed? Looks like. Three Bank branches came to Cavelossim! Thats Goa politics for you. Does Goa have any hope for an orderly future and good infrastructure? Yes. But not without a fight and concerted campaigning. Nasci Caldeira Melbourne. From: "Philip Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet]RE: DIFFERENT STROKES Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:53:58 +0530 For them the best option is to sit tight, right royally, at Dabolim. There are no concrete plans to have an airstation at Seabird Karwar. [Where does Goa come into the Seabird picture, anyway?]
[Goanet]Re: [GOAN-NRI] RingTones: update -- Are Luis, Kit sangom tuka????
Joe Irmao, Tujem poili Xasti Konkani Vachun maka gam ailo. Makodem Indian rupees na re tuka farik korunk. Euro, Dhiram or Dollar cholta Punn zanaza ingasor san maka 40 fils eka sms lagta. ( Pls take the calculator for conversion) Don't worry your tel number does not get displayed, as I did not get your number, when you sent it to me. I too was wondering about the same. Anyway, Joe, its going great, my inbox was flooded with request messages. LETS TALK IN BUSINESS TERMS: CUSTOMER RECEIVED : 12 RINGTONE DELIVERED : 28 BALANCE: NIL ( By God grace) Its surprising we have so many " Silent Members" But nice to know all love konkani ( I hope not only konkani ring tones) Anybody still wants the ring tones "Offer is valid till " Credit last" so do send in your request. Regards, Luis Rodrigues Chimbel / Dubai --- JoeGoaUk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Sumra zalam re Luis irmao? pondra rupian ek rington munn hanven tuka don dadlole.. Kit kai muleari, temi mure muge ponchis rupian ek kon poixe kale!! Tum maka sanje matxe bazarant meu, maka muge poixam matxe goroz aha. Ponas rupia muliar mak voddle, xi keso picasao re, maka ani aiz rati jem pota? Tum zanna ami londokar kesole irmutte poi te, muge bhaile ani kollot zalear ti mak dovota? Mak sanje sofacher nidoilo zalear nidoilo. Besto mure hanv bor aslokoden patkam poddlom Tum choi, tum menna zalear tugem sambhall!! Hi, That was typical Xasti or 'salcette' konkani. Ok, here it is in short (the main message) To sms from Goa say idea to Goa Cost Re.1 India Rs.3 Abroad Rs.5 With roaming, the same from abroad will be.. Goa Rs.15 India Rs.20 ouside India Rs.25 This is just for info only. So, now you know why I was delaying. There is another reason, it is possible to receive along with the ring tone my personal number too- One has to think twice ? (Soon I will write WHY?) Very soon I am buying new 'sms only' sim card and clear the whole back log. will send to all (except Gulf & India as Luis irmao doing this Job) A request: please re-submit your request for yr FREE rington (including gulfies) as some of you must have got already from Luis. Sorry, for the trouble and messing things up. 'Cusotmers satisfaction in our Motto' 'We dont sell cheap things but we sell things cheap' to GOANs only. Special offer: Loyalty bonus -FREE konkani RingTone for all customers. Thanks you for your custom, its a pleasure doing business with you. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For info on Konkani VCDs (Films, Tiatr, Comedies and films on GOA...) http://konkani-vcd.swiki.net/1 ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your friends 'n family snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://in.photos.yahoo.com
[Goanet]teaching music
Orlando wrote: This is Orlando calling .I am teachin Solfeggio at Kala Academy,Goa.The book followed is Singing Exercises by A. Lavignac.Incidentally it is the same book I learnt the 3 R's of music from,decades ago.An urgent need is felt to upgrade the Solfeggio syllabus in Kala Academy.I have found out there are other (and in a way easy) methods of teaching basics of music,though I have not,as yet, found a proper and systhematic text book for the same.I would be extremely indebted to anyone wiling to help so that music making (and teaching this fine art)will be a joyous art. I wish to express my thanks for your time and am loking forward to receive help in any manner whatsoever. __ Hello Orlando, click on this link for more information: http://www.vocalist.org.uk/solfege_books.html Happy surfing and best of luck. salus
RE: [Goanet]The Post Office in GOA
Just a bit of correction; Its a genuine error where I put 31 as post code for Bombay GPO; it is: 41; similarly for bandra, it is: 400020. That is starting with '4', and not '3'. Also for Goa it should read Panjim GPO: 403001, and not 306001 as I have erroneously written earlier. Having said that can anybody in Goa, produce the post codes for all the delivery post offices in Goa; so that people can start using the post codes, as and when. U may get the Post Office to publish the same on Goanet. Thank you. Nasci Caldeira' Melbourne. From: "Nasci Caldeira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet]The Post Office in GOA Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:56:44 +1000 Hi Goanetters,
[Goanet]Mr Shantaram L Naik elected Rajya Sabha MP
Mr Shantaram L Naik Desai ex Lok Sabha MP and Goa Pradesh Congress Committe President a native of Cuncolim now resident of Margao was elected today 14/07/2005 as the Member of the Rajya Sabha for a six year term. With this the reign of ex Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha MP Mr Eduardo Faleiro will cease to be a Rajya Sabha MP by July end. The victory of the INC was expected following the favourable numbers of the INC NCP MGP combine and the diminishing strenght of the BJP to a mere 15 MLAs, notwithstanding the uncertainity of Mr Mathany Saldanha's vote. In any case for Mr Saldanha the Speaker Mr Francisco Sardinha's decision not to permit him to vote will come as a blessing in disguise to Mr Saldanha for after the formation of the present INC MGP NCP government he Mr Saldanha the Cortalim MLA had decided to be equidistant from both the BJP and the INC which was unlike his earlier stand to side with the BJP. Todays vote if cast in the open ballot would have put Mr Saldanha in a piquant situation for if he had to side with the INC combine he could have antagonised the BJP and vice versa. Though the ruling of the Speaker is devoid of merit atleast prima facie such legal fictions are being created ever since the Parrikar Government was struck by a tsunami of another kind on 27th January, 2005. What the people of Goa regret is that there is no governance yet niether is the unfinished tasks on development matters being pursued in right earnest, the obvious result is the people of Goa suffer and Goa lags behind other states as well. With political stability yet to fall tight into the groove -- yes the distribution of Chairmanship to Corporations is underway now that the RS elections are over. In the meanwhile there is wide apprehension that the reshuffle in the Union Cabinet expected any moment now a Goan MP may be favoured for a cabinet berth, it is not quite clear whether Mr Churchill Alemao will get a berth but the prospects of Mr Shantaram L Naik getting one appears a near certainity due to political reasons given that the State will have to face elections in another twenty two months GODFREY J I GONSALVES BORDA MARGAO GOA [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Free antispam, antivirus and 1GB to save all your messages Only in Yahoo! Mail: http://in.mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet](no subject)
A GOAN WHO WAS HANGED IN KUWAIT. Since a fortnight back when Rosary Ferns released his 12th Konkani Album RAAG, based on a true story of a Goan who was hanged in Kuwait some years back, lot of people are showing interest in what actually has happened and why he was hanged.. Approximately about 6 months before the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq on 2nd August 1990, Francis Araujo was hanged in Kuwait. He was from Santa Cruz (Calafura) Ilhas, approximately 2 years before the invasion of Kuwait, Francis Araujo was travelling in a bus from Kuwait Public Transport Company, Route No. 18, which was driven by a Turkish driver while the conductor from Egypt. When Francis Araujo entered the bus, he gave one Dinar Note to the conductor for the ticket fare since Francis had no change with him. After handing over the ticket, the conductor gave back the balance money in small coins to Francis. While receiving this change Francis asked the conductor thus, why are you giving me this type of change in small coins?. Conductor got annoyed at Francis for this question and asked him either take it or get lost. In the ensuing argument both the persons lost their temper and in the fight the driver also joined in support of his colleague and both assaulted Francis and threw him out of the bus. Francis' pride was hurt. Then and there Francis decided to teach a very good lesson to his sudden foes and immediately went home, got a nice sharp knife and waited for the bus to return at the same spot where he was thrown out. After a long wait, there was no sign of that bus returning and Francis decided to go home as his temper started cooling down. While he was taking a step back to return home, he suddenly saw that same bus coming and again raised his temper and said to himself, now I will show them. Yes, the driver stopped the bus at that same bus stop and the moment the bus door was opened, Francis jumped on the conducter and stabbed him. Then the driver came to the rescue of his colleague but Francis without any fear stabbed the driver too and both died. Meantime passengers in the bus started screaming and running for their lives but Francis did not interfere with any of the passengers. After stabbing them, Francis took bold step that without uttering a single word he remained seated on one of the seats in surrender to whoever wants to arrest him. Meantime news went to the police and they came and arrested him, handcuffed him and took him to their custody. Without any resistance Francis surrendered to the Police. Since Francis mother, sister, brother Daniel and Daniels wife were all working as domestics in Kuwaiti houses, they came to know of this tragic news only after a week when Francias sister-in-law first got this news and immediately passed it on to her husband Daniel. When Daniel received this news over telephone, in his own words Daniel told me that it looked to him at that moment that a powerful stone was hit on his head and for a few seconds he remained breathless and speechless. Then Francis poor mother and sister got this news and they were all in shock. When Daniels Kuwaiti Madame got this news, she immediately sacked Daniel from his domestic job and on the same night deported Daniel back to Goa. When Madams son got this news of Daniels sacking by his mother he was annoyed at this wrong decision saying that if Daniels brother has committed the crimes then Daniel is not to be blamed and sacking him was a wrong decision. But his mother according to Daniel was firm and hence Daniel was deported but within a short period Daniel was brought back by his Madams son in the company where he was working as top man. After returning back to Kuwait Daniel while working borrowed some money from here and there and hired a lawyer to fight the case in favour of his brother but finally justice prevailed and Francis was sentenced to die by hanging. Then Daniel approached Indian Embassy to make a mercy petition but according to him Embassy told him to come thru your Goan organization. We Goans did not have any apex body to fight for our cause, that time only one known Goan association was existing named Kuwait Goan Association which was involved mainly in organizing ballroom dances thrice a year and it was not a representative of Goans in Kuwait. We did not have at that time an apex body like Malyaleess UMO (United Malyali Organisation). In such a situation, Daniel finally approached Kuwait Catholic Church to make a mercy petiton and Kuwait Bishop was very symphatetic to Daniels plea. Bishop and other priest were very co-operative to Daniel, when Bishop was going to the prison to see Francis, he was even taking along Francis brother and mother. The Kuwaiti employers of Francis mother, sister and sister-in-law were co-operative and they provided them all the help whenever required to go to see Francis in prison. Finally, nothing worked, all
[Goanet]Understanding Goa's population puzzle
Gabriel de Figueiredo wrote: > India's smallest state (population approx 1.35 > million, area 3700 sq.km) > is seeing very few births. Could this be the result of the males being too long away from their wives, in the Gulf or on board ships? Are there any stats on the ratio of married men being abroad / away from their wives for an appreciably long period of time in Goa as compared to other states? - Dear Gabriel, I am not aware of any statistics but I would venture to say that the married couples where the men are abroad and the married couples where the man is here in Goa procreate equally. Almost all modern couples, of both types, have an average of two children. Cecil
[Goanet]My replies to the poll
* Goanet Admin should be more strict while allowing posts that could result in a flame-war [AGREE/DISAGREE] DISAGREE Rather difficult to predict what will be the outcome of a posting. -- * Goanet Admin should allow all winds to blow, and leave it for Goanetters to speak out when they feel someone violates the line [AGREE/DISAGREE] AGREE We are adults here and can speak our mind when something or someone irritates us. We are not juveniles who need headmasters to constantly keep us in check. - * Goanetters should post a maximum of 4 posts each day. This could encourage people to post quality. [AGREE/DISAGREE] AGREE But Fred (GoaNet News, GoaNet Reader etc) should be allowed to post more than four a day as his posts are always quality. But I think that limiting posts-per-person might just result in fake e-mail IDs become more rampant than they already are. * No limits should be set on the number of posts each day (AGREE/DISAG] ?? This question duplicates the one above. - * Every Goanetter should be required to make at least one post of three lines each week, so as to build a sense of participation [AGREE/DISAGREE] AGREE But I doubt you will be able to enforce it and so you might find drops in membership. Incentives for silent members to post should be offered. Maybe they should be allowed to advertise their products /services free if they provide quality content or are constantly interacting fruitfully? *chuckle* Santosh's suggestions look interesting, specially this one: 2. Any posts containing serious personal attacks or accusations against private individuals will be rejected. Cheers! Cecil Pinto, Panjim - Aldona M/ 38/ NP-CC/ H =
[Goanet]Dr Cornel DaCosta's brief review of Goanet (on www.goanvoice.org.uk)
RECENT ITEMS OF PARTICULAR INTEREST ON GOANET. BY CORNEL DACOSTA Dominic Fernandes faithfully provides Goanet with many 'sayings' in Konkani and English. Many are witty but they are also invariably, profound. The one that caught my eye recently, said "like the birds, let us leave behind what we do not need to carry, like grudges, sorrows, pain, fears, regrets and heartaches. Fly light." Dominic is also well known for his excellent articles on Goan customs and traditions of old. Understandably, the issue of the bomb blasts in London last week which killed at least 52 people has been hotly debated by those pro the American/British policy on Iraq and those who have serious reservations about it. The bomb blasts have been seen all over the world on television and it is of interest to note the reaction to Londoners from different Goan communities worldwide. Possibly, most readers of the Goan Voice (UK) are readers 'of a certain age' who arrived into the UK from different parts of the world. In general, most such 'newcomer's are economic migrants but a lively debate has taken place that many were indeed political migrants in the first instance. Do find out more about this on Goanet. Material on the population growth in India is a continuing theme. However, we may not have considered the complexity of this issue to any great extent. An opportunity to do so now is available in an excellent and informative article on Goanet. So, do read about population clocks in different parts of India, and especially, in Goa. Finally, what about the nun who has been denied the opportunity to study for the Bar to practise as a lawyer? Should such a barrier be placed on the nun or has the law been an ass? Please visit the Goanet archives at http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/ To subscribe to Goanet send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet]Drivel is in the eye of the beholder
--- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you Vivian for your post. Let us focus on > some concrete topics: > > 1. Educational opportunities for Goans (not just > those in Goa). > 2. Job opportunities. > 3. Environmental issues (there is a nice Wild Goa > d-list). > 4. Consumer rights (support groups like Goa Desc). > 5. Issues of justice and equality (as it relates to > corruption, poverty). > 6. Sustainable development of Goa and good > goverance. > 7. Issues related to access for all (access for > disadvantaged groups). > 8. Transporation issues. > 9. etc. > > I am sure all of these topics have been suggested > before, including by those who wrote last month > about Think-tanks. But I think we need to be > reminded of the great potential and opportunities > lost by not discussing the above. > Mario responds: George, I think all these topics are great. I suggest that you and Vivian begin some discussions on these topics, and let the chips fall where they may. My observation is that those most vociferous in complaining about topics on Goanet are the least vociferous in making postings themselves, subliminally demanding therefore that OTHERS be interested in the topics that interest THEM. I make posts that interest me, not to entertain someone else. On the other hand, I have no problem if readers ignore what I say if it doesn't interest them. Over the longer term, the discussions on a public forum like Goanet, in my opinion, will trend towards the weighted average of the personal interests of the POSTERS, not the passive READERS, and not necessarily what is socially beneficial. A good example is in the media, where, as the saying goes, "If it bleeds, it leads", and many socially beneficial news falls through the cracks. Has something to do with human nature.
Re: [Goanet]Limiting Mario and Mario-related Posts
Peter D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's a suggestion to cut down on some of the posts > both from Mario and in response to Mario's posts. Peter, Thanks for identifying the problem. > Jose Colaco would make a perfect candidate to > receive/compile/post such > comments from other Goanetters and himself. > George Pinto represents this small-ish category of > posters and will probably do a fine job at compiling > a daily digest of such posts for all of us. > Cornel DaCosta will make a good candidate to > filter, organise and forward another daily digest > of debate. Peter, please tell me if I have understood you properly: You do not want to go to the source of the problem to tackle it. Instead, you want to introduce others into this problem? Mervyn3.0 Ps. Goanet was an excellent forum for nine and a half years. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]FW: Migration for pleasure
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > PS To David Futers I totally agree with your thread > AFRAID. I am fairly nervous posting this innocuous > rambling as I am sure to have inadvertently offended > someone > Mario replies: Rebecca, there is nothing wrong in being an economic migrant, or any other kind for that matter. As the experience of all the immigrant populated countries has shown, immigrants, whether voluntary or involuntary, are a special breed of people who display far more initiative and grit than many traditionalists. However, unless you have paper thin skin, you can't let us economic migrants down by being AFRAID of mere words. As the saying goes, "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me!" I think David Futers, a perfectly fine Goaphile, was just chiding the verbal barbarians on Goanet, and got a little carried away.
[Goanet]An Atheist and a Bear
An atheist was taking a walk through the woods, admiring all that evolution had created. "What majestic trees! What powerful rivers! What beautiful animals!", he said to himself. As he was walking along the river, he heard a rustling in the bushes behind him. When he turned to see what the casue was, he saw a 7-foot grizzly charging right towards him. He ran as fast as he could. He looked over his shoulder and saw that the bear was closing, He ran even faster, crying in fear. He looked over his shoulder again, and the bear was even closer. His heart was pounding and he tried to run even faster. He tripped and fell on the ground. He rolled over to pick himself up, but saw the bear right on top of him, reaching for him with his left paw and raising his right paw to strike him. At that moment, the Atheist cried out "Oh my God!" Time stopped. The bear froze. The forest was silent. Even the river stopped moving. As a bright light shone upon the man, a voice came out of the sky, "You deny my existence for all of these years; teach others I don''t exist; and even credit creation to a cosmic accident. Do you expect me to help you out of this predicament? Am I to count you as a believer?" The atheist looked directly into the light "It would be hypocritical of me to suddenly ask You to treat me as Christian now, but perhaps could you make the bear a Christian?" "Very well," said the voice. The light went out. The river ran again. And the sounds of the forest resumed. And then the bear dropped his right paw . brought both paws together...bowed his head and spoke: "Lord, for this food which I am about to receive, I am truly thankful. - Regards, Carlos
[Goanet]Reaching out... GNU/Linux in Goa
Just an update on what's happening on various fronts. *** We have got requests for talks in colleges or wider events at (i) Chowgule College Margao via Sangeeta Naik (ii) St Xavier's Mapusa via Nelson Lobo and (iii) RIT Shiroda via Sandesh Patil. We need champions to take up these causes and make things happen. Albert Gouveia is in touch with Xavier's, and maybe Dr Seth (that everwilling inspirer of the to-be geek) could help. Arvind Yadav can you take up Margao? The staff from there was also talking with Dr Seth, when we met up at last academic year's Quepem college function. Any suggestions how we can help at Shiroda? Amit SHIRODkAr ;-), Prof George Easaw, and the rest of the team at GEC? Just because they're at a little bit of a remote location, we should not ignore their request for help. *** Ajay Cuncolienkar is expected down from Mumbai around July 23 (in time for our LUG meet) and he's keen to make things happen at his alma mater in Khandola (Government College). *** When my hard-disk conked, I had the chance to discuss GNU/Linux with nel at arteksystems.com (Nel of Artek in Panjim). We spoke about the stability of Debian, and the ease of Mandrake's partitioning tool. Nel appreciated SuSE's user-friendliness, and said he himself had Fedora on his desktop. What Nel wanted to know was GNU/Linux equivalents for Windows users. So, as promised, am sending him this link which tells you which Free Software tools can replace proprietary http://www.asiaosc.org/enwiki/page/Open_source_replacements_for_proprietary_software.html and also another useful link (of GNU/Linux equivalents for Windows, thanks to Ankur Chakraborty) at http://www.linuxjunkies.org/articles/win-gnu-alt.html Check it out if interested, FN
[Goanet]Twins and difference (Globe and Mail, Canada)
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050712/FASS12/TPComment/Features A 28-year-old Indian woman is suing her parents because she was abandoned soon after she and her twin sister were born, reports The Times of India. Her lawyer says that a separate criminal action Dimple Menezes will file could send her parents to prison for up to seven years. The case, the first of its kind in India, is set down for hearing later this month in the Punjab and Haryana High Court. As well as meeting her biological mother, Ms. Menezes, a computer-science graduate, has met her siblings but doesn't get on with them, especially her twin sister who is "quite opposite in nature to me." Thanks to http://www.goanvoice.org.uk for pointing to this link.
[Goanet]Dress code for Mumbai churchgoers
Miniskirts, tight outfits and plunging necklines are inappropriate for Sunday Mass, the Catholic Church in the Indian city of Mumbai (Bombay) says. Pained by churchgoers' fashion sense, the Archbishop of Mumbai, Cardinal Ivan Dias, has urged the faithful to dress modestly during services. Church officials say it is an attempt to discourage vulgarity. A similar plan by Bombay University recently generated a lot of debate in a city considered India's fashion centre. Cardinal Dias told the Times of India: "Whereas in days gone by, the 'Sunday best' used to become at times a sort of fashion parade, the modern tendency would seem to go to the other extreme. "People [are] wearing attire which is considered casual and unbecoming of the sacred dignity of the church and the members of its congregation." Read the rest of the story at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4675801.stm
Re: [Goanet]Goans, GoaNet and caste
From: Viviana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet]Goans, GoaNet and caste Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:07:57 -0700 Alfred - Ti' Amina was from Chinchinim, not Loutulim. She was a grand lady and is greatly missed. Viviana Pls allow me a second guess: Placing Goans by name is quite a favourite hobby. Does Ariosto, and you, have a cousin (Dr.) Gagliano? Alfred.
RE: [Goanet]RE: DIFFERENT STROKES
Mr. Caldeira, This is bharat rule for you. Given an inch they are now taking miles. I thought the dummy straffing was taking place on Carmona beach? B. Colaco > Contamination of the soil where they have been > straffing using dummy shells, > is high; no amount of complaints can move or hurt > the mighty Navy. Is this > military rule or is the state govt. so lame and > without any teeth? Or is it > that the Govt. being based in Panjim (and or now on > Porvorim Plateau) is > least bothered about what happens to their citizens > in South Goa. Is this > right and tolerable? No. > > ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet]State of Road Safety in Goa - 1
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- -- Two women killed as tipper tips - Two women labourers died on the spot, while three labourers were seriously injured and 10 others sustained minor injuries after the tipper truck in which they were travelling in skidded on slippery road conditions and fell on its side at Panchawadi on Sunday evening. Ponda police informed that the injured labourers identified one of the deceased as Jyoti (17). However, the other deceased woman was still unidentified. On Sunday at around 4 pm, around 15 labourers were travelling by the truck to Shiroda, while returning from Sanvordem after doing some shopping. The labourers were carrying rice, oil, a TV set and other household material, which they had purchased from Curchorem. The truck driver suddenly lost control of the vehicle, under slippery road conditions and the truck skidded before turning over. Besides the two deceased, three persons, Nagappa (40), Reshma Nadaf (3) and Roshan Nadaf (4) were in a critical condition, while 10 others were injured and were admitted to the Goa Medical College (GMC) Hospital, Bambolim by a GATES vehicle. The truck driver fled after the incident and no contractor came forward to assist the Ponda police in identifying the deceased. DySP Mohan Naik, PI Prabodh Shirvoikar and other staff had rushed to the scene. -- HERALD 11/07/05 page 1 -- --- GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK --- an initiative of GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE to promote civic and consumer rights in Goa --- GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goacan.org ---
[Goanet]DABOLIM-CAVELOSSIM
[Edward Verdes, July 14] [Nasci Caldeira, July 14] Now goanet is in business! This is a fine example of idea and information sharing in the common interest of which we need a lot more if any headway is to be made in tackling Goa's complex problems. How come nobody ever mentioned Cavelossim till now? It shows the breathtaking callousness of the military in commandeering prime public property for dubious military purposes. Cavelossim must indeed be considered part and parcel of the Dabolim problem
[Goanet]RE: DIFFERENT STROKES
< the Navy is wanting to acquire more land near Sea Bird for expansion in Southern most Goa, presumably for the airfield?>[Nasci Caldeira, July 14] Seabird is in the vicinity of Karwar which is in Karnataka. The airfield which is only on paper is slated for Yenkebe, also in Karnataka, maybe 10-15 km from Seabird though the direction is not known (by me) at present. The Navy property in "southern most Goa" referred to in the post may be Anjediva Island. All this is subject to confirmation by others who may be better placed than me to comment about these locations.
[Goanet]State of Economic Offences in Goa - 1
- Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members, relatives, neighbours and friends. Help others be BETTER INFORMED, The time is come for the people of Goa to ORGANISE not AGONISE !! - -- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- --- Sanchayani investors crying for relief -- The Sanchayani Certificate Holders and Field Workers Association, Goa has questioned the seriousness of the administration in settling the claims of the over 40,000 investors. They further claim that the Economic Offences Cell (EOC) at the Panjim Police Headquarters has failed to arrest the principal accused, Suraj Naik, the divisional manager of M/s Sanchayani Savings and Investment (India) Ltd who is the personal assistant of the North Goa BJP MP Sripad Naik. Says Jawaharlal T Shetye, the president of the SCHFWA, "Unfortunately, it has been a long and hard battle with the EOC refusing to co-operate with the association, the government turning a deaf ear to our complaints despite representations made to the former chief minister Manohar Parrikar, who assured us that he would look into the matter, but failed to do so. In fact, the EOC has failed to arrest the divisional manager of M/s Sanchayani Savings and Investment (India) Ltd in Goa, Suraj Naik, who is the personal assistant of the North Goa BJP MP Sripad Naik," He said that Suraj kept the company offices in Goa open as late as September 2002 and collected several lakhs of rupees which was used to distribute the salaries of the company's employees when all the company's offices all over India including the head office at Kolkata were shut down by the police much before September 2002. "The EOC then headed by PI Fintan D'Souza and PSI Suresh Gaonkar had informed us that Suraj along with other senior field staff had availed advances from the company amounting to several lakhs of rupees but that the EOC was helpless as the amount belonged to the company and no complaint had been filed," Shetye mentioned. SCHFWA with a membership of 699 members had registered its complaint with the EOC on July 7, 2003 along with a representation to the chief minister and chief secretary on the same day urging them to initiate action against the directors under the GPID Act 1999. The Finance department of the government of Goa in its letter dated July 29, 2003 informed the SCHFWA that since the Supreme Court had appointed a special officer N C Banerjee to take charge of the assets of the company, the government could not take any action under the GPID Act 1999 and that the SCHFWA should approach the EOC for taking further necessary action. Accordingly SCHFWA who failed to receive any help from the EOC approached the then chief minister Manohar Parrikar pointing out that there were about 40,000 investors of the Sanchayani company in Goa and that the RBI in its letter dated May 10, 1997 had advised the company not to accept any deposits from the public and to stop forewith the said business and to conform to RBI orders. And that the Goa divisional manager Suraj Naik, who was heading five branches under the Goa division collected deposit money without any authority. The SCHFWA had appealed to the then chief minister to initiate action against Suraj Naik and the Finance department of the government of Goa wrote a letter to the EOC dated May 27, 2004 urging them to initiate action against Suraj Naik under the GPID Act 1999 and intimate them of the action taken, but nothing happened. "Another notice was sent to the chief secretary through advocate Mahesh Sonak on March 6, 2004, but there was no response from the government. It was only when the former DGP Amod Kant took charge, that the EOC started co-operating with the SCHFWA and providing us with all the requisite information but unfortunately he too was transferred," Shetye remarked. The special officer appointed by the Supreme Court, N C Banerjee (in a telephonic conversation with the Herald), revealed that his office in Kolkata has received around eight lakh claim papers from the various investors all over the country and no sooner they complete the processing of the forms, he would forward a proposal to the Supreme Court to repay the investors. "This entire process should take another five to six months to complete, following which the payments will be made to the investors," Banerjee disclosed. "Our only request is that the EOC should follow up with the special officer N C Banerjee and guide the SCHFWA as to
