[Goanet] The Great Goan Land Grab by V. M. de Malar
The Great Goan Land Grab by V. M. de Malar I would like to reply to this article: I am worried for the people of Goa/India that the wealth generated from tourism will not be used to improve the "working man's" lot. I don't just mean from the point of view of un-taxed profits filtering out of the country, but also from the steep levels of corruption that seem to be prevalent in yours and most governments of this planet. There is a cap on any profits that an "outsider" may make from business in your country, this individual is not allowed to take these profits out of India. Perhaps this is an area that could be improved/reinforced upon in some way. In any case if any money that is accrued remains in the hands of the few to do with whatever they want, then there lays the root of your problem. Most guests who stay in your country for any length of time have an Indian bank account which is taxed, that is honest and shows a willingness to contribute, there is very little else that a tourist can do except pay his bills and try to be understanding of Goan customs. The western tourist generally speaking wants to be pampered and indulge themselves, most of them are just working class who have saved up all year for a couple of weeks holiday, if they are prepared to pay for this then so be-it. But will the poor and disadvantaged in your state get the benefit? I doubt it. Integration through education and play will help, there is the usual crop of humanitarians, along with your average beer swilling short term rather un-knowledgeable type of "outsider". Incidentally I am uncomfortable with the term "outsider" as it leaves the impression of a homophobic attitude, guest is preferable and a lot less insulting. In any case human beings are a rather inquisitive lot so if the medium of education was used this would go a long way to furthering the understanding of two very different cultures. You could let it happen quite naturally, through courses at education centres, where people of all race and creed would be able to exchange thoughts and feelings (another opportunity to further increase the wealth of your country). The Goan warmth and penchant for friendly discussion and hospitality would soon shine through leading to many hands across the sea joining in friendship and harmony. The salaried people as VM Malar identifies in this article are a privileged minority just like any tourist in your country. As long as greed and avarice exists so will this problem, ignorance is a human ailment, spread the wealth, or pay the price in the future. And please stop blaming the tourist for all your problems. Dev Borum Korum John Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. http://messenger.msn.co.uk
[Goanet] Re: World Goa Day in Melbourne ignites Cultural Heritage of Yore
On Sat Sep 24, 2005 Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha wrote: > kindly note that what happened (more than) 18 years ago, not on August 20 > but on February 4, was the passing of the Official Language Act by > the Legislative Assembly of the then Union Territory of Goa, Daman and Diu > according to Konkani the status of the sole official language of Goa. Jorge, That would be February 4, 1987 ?? Would you know the dates (locations) of the Konkani agitation of 1986 and the violence that ensued ?? Thanks - Bosco
[Goanet] Aitaracheo Kaskutleo: Honey, I Need It
Honey, I Need It BAIL: Hanvem sanglam hat lainaka mhonn. GHOV: Ghorant ekmullo asam mhonntoch . BAIL: Ratchem kainch mhonnom nam tuka. Ponn atam? Hea vellar? Na!! Koxench mellchem nam. GHOV: Don toren magpachem asta. Ek borea bhaxen ani dusrem . BAIL: Puro, puro. Hi domkhi anik konnakui diat. Donparchem tujem soboilem mhonntoch, allsaiecho jor tuka sottaita ani tum sust nidhta. Sanjer, tiatrak vochunk zai. Tuvem mhaka utor dillem asa tem samball. Donparchem keddnach . GHOV: Tuvem bond kelem zalear ghora bhair khup daram ugttim poddlelim asat. Tujea dollea add mhojean, thoimsor vochun mhoji than bhagounk ieta. Ponn ho tujo ghov dusrea dadleam porim nhoi. Ek pavtti ti pidda laglear tatuntlo mekhllo zavnk khup kotthinn zatlem. BAIL: Thodde pavtti koslo rakosh tujer bosta? GHOV: Bail tum mhoji. Mhoje oskot bindu (week points) somzopi. BAIL: Oi, oi. Bullovpak number one tum. Chodd nhoi. Matxe korchem. Tiatrak, vellar pavunk zai. GHOV: Monxean thoddem punn dadhos korchem BAIL: Avois!! Puro, puro. Kitlo motto re? GHOV: Ekuch pavtti double shots. (whisky-en borillo glass ubarun bailek mhonnta) CHEERS. (dhuvek ulo marun) Crystal, freezintli ek thondd soda ani thoddexe 'ice cube' hadd bai. Lino B. Dourado http://www.goa-world.com/goa/poems http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?config=gulf-goans_yahoogroups_com&restrict=&exclude=&words=Lino+B.+Dourado __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Re: Nayak (Naik not Nayak)
Dear friends, 1. Will someone kindly explain the connection between the current campaign for Roman script Konkani and Mr. Pundalik Nayaks not being a Saraswat? If there is no such connection, then what is Mr. Fredrick Noronha justifying with his his (Godfreys) earlier posting subtly yet sharply makes the point that caste is an integral part of the language in Goa.? Whoever had said that he was wrong? I did ascribe ulterior motives to the campaign saying that its aim and object is to restore the age-old advantage to Roman Catholic Brahmins which they had surrendered to the long-suffering, underprivileged Catholics by not studying Konkani for all these years. Since that has not been refuted thus far, I take it that the charge is well taken and proved. 2. I shall concede Mr. Noronhas contention that without understanding caste, you can't understand Goa's yesterday and today. Consequently, in order to understand the campaign, it is imperative that one knows the caste of its chief instigator, Fr. Pratap Naik. Since the campaign is being conducted in Goa and Fr. Pratap is also in Goa, I am sure he will help in this understanding by volunteering this very crucial information. 3. Please consider the following facts: (a) Fr Pratap is a Roman Catholic priest. As such, one would expect him to advise and correct a lay Catholic if the latter, inadvertently or deliberately, commits any indiscretion so that he does not repeat it. (b) Godfrey is a Roman Catholic and has acted as Fr. Prataps handyman for the last two months. He committed an indiscretion on 20/08 by bringing in a derisive reference, however oblique, to Pundalik Nayaks caste. (c) In spite of the two having met in the meantime, Godfrey repeated the same indiscretion on 11/09. Obviously, this means that derisively alluding to someones caste is not an indiscretion in the eyes of Fr. Pratap. I am therefore surprised that I am being faulted and sermonized to by Mr. Ancy Paladka for inquiring about Fr. Prataps caste in the same subtle manner; more so because it comes from a prolific and popular Konkani author for whom I have great regard, having first met him at Cochin some seven years ago, during a session of the Akhil Bharatiya Konkani Parishad and last at Mumbai in April 2004, during a seminar. Perhaps he is not aware that, in Goa, we have cannot understand any issue without considering the caste factor; this may not be so in Mangalore. However, a year ago Ancy had communicated to Secular Citizen of Mumbai an article which was full of quotations from Fr. Pratap making derogatory remarks about some specific castes. So, he is well aware of Fr. Prataps obsession with castes and creeds. What is wrong or vulgar in subtly giving Dr. Pratap a little taste of his own medicine? 4. I too am of the opinion that every person (not just Fr. Pratap) has a right to choose his own name and spell that name anyway he pleases. But is Mr. Pundalik Nayak not a person? Why deny him that right? How come nobody objected when *his* surname was being parodied *repeatedly*? Or, are we to treat only the anointed as holy cows? 5. Are we to promote Konkani for future generations (whatever that means) by denying the current youth their hard-earned advantage, just because they happen to be Catholic non-Brahmins? Should we give a shoulder to people who work day and night in this conspiracy? Sotak zoit mellum di. Let truth prevail. S. M. Borges Fredrick Noronha, fred at bytesforall.org, http://fn.swiki.net wrote: To be fair to Godfrey JI Gonsalves, I don't think he "still claim to be 'Brahmins'" in any of his writing, as far as I know. On the other hand, his earlier posting subtly yet sharply makes the point that caste is an integral part of the language in Goa. Ancy S. DSouza Paladka, ancyds at gmail.com wrote: I am surprised that even people like S M Borges are very happy on attacking the personal life of a person instead of utilising their energy for any cause ? What does he gain by knowing how Dr. Pratap Naik writes his sirname. Or what benefits he can gain by knowing what name Dr. Pratap Naik should keep for himself.
[Goanet] Portuguese Terror / Inquisition
When will Goans and foreign tourists and Ph D students, writing FICTIONAL novels / and made-up thesis about Goa, write some facts - as they pertain to Goa? Most take the easy way and substitute, transplant and confuse the Inquisition in Goa with the Inquisition in Europe. Henrique Salles da Fonseca below has again confirmed that much of the Catholic Church Inquisition was directed against the Catholics. This was in at attempt to purge the Goan Catholic society (lay and clergy) of non-conformists (by the Inquisition's definition) of thoughts and actions. By my reading some fear was justified for immoral behavior, given the widespread social and military misconduct; and syphilis epidemic sweeping Goa in the late 16- and early 17-century. Statistics quote more than 500 deaths of tertiary syphilis was reported by Goa's hospitals every year. During this pre-penicillin period, syphilis was very much like today's AIDS. What would Goans do TODAY if every year there were 500 deaths in Goa from AIDS, not to mention ten times that number being chronic sufferers and transmitting the disease. This does not even account for the much larger native population today. I would appreciate if Henrique Salles da Fonseca could educate us with hard statistics (victims and offences) about THE INQUISITION IN GOA (not in Portugal or Spain or Europe) against the crypto-Jews. I see this mentioned on cyber-Goa. Yet no one has told us how many crypto-Jews were IN GOA and how where they identified. Or is Crypto-Jews just a big word to confuse "supurlem Goenkars" like me. :=)) Kind Regards, GL Henrique Salles da Fonseca: Gilbert Lawrence is right, the abstract has nothing to see with the title. Furthermore, the most of the inquisitors in Goa were spaniard and italian dominicans but historic penalties felt over portuguese jesuits. Jesuits were not allowed by their Generals, namely by Muzzio Vitteleschi, to cooperate with Inquisition; on the contrary, jesuits have been great victims of the Inquisition. However, there has been one jesuit who decided to intrude the Inquisition as the only way to collapse it: Ant�nio de Andrade has been Notary of a trial with no victims to death. But someone discovered his intention to collapse the Inquisition in Goa and assassinated him the eve of the "Auto de F�". Someone is writing the story of this portuguese born in Oleiros by the end of the XVI century and crossed the Hymalaias in 1620. Best regards, Henrique Salles da Fonseca
Re: [Goanet] London to GOA 4 weeks Xmas Time £289
RE: 24 & 27th Nov. 3 weeks £289 1st Dec. 3 weeks £249 1st Dec. 4 weeks £289 (Reminder: These deals will not appear here from next month, pl bear with me until such time- thanks) = Folks, A tip or two: If you want full details of these and other such deals, on tap, check out http://www.charterflights.co.uk/ There are a number of mirror sites offering the same database. One, http://www.justtheflight.co.uk/charter-flights-from-LGW/GOI-goa.html# offers a RSS Flight Feed, Gatwick to Goa. Modify the url for other departure points. Cheers, Eddie Fernandes http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/
[Goanet] Do not Politicise: Airport Issue
Hello Goanetters, A lot of persons in Goa and on this forum have subconciously politicised the issue of the 'Great Airport that Dabolim is! All that is needed is continual upgradation of the facilities for a modern International Airport. This upgrading does not even have to be done all at once; but in stages. Only the planning for the future requirements needs to be taken care of, in advence. (that does not mean, meaninglessly going to Mopa, that is further than planet Mars) All of the future needs can be provided and delivered from the present airport at Dabolim. With understanding the Navy can be asked to have their training periods between the early hours of morning and the late hours of evening, (peak hours on Goa roads). Say 0500 hrs to 0700 hrs AM and from 1800 hrs to 2000 hrs PM. This way the Navy willl have experience in whatever they are training in, by day as well as by night! Or does the Navy think that daytime flying practice alone, is enough? Does the enemy attack only in the daytime? It is high time that the Civilian Authority make demands on the Navy, from today, untill such time they can and be able to get out of Dabolim altogether. Why not? Dabolim has been civilian from inception; the Navy has to listen to the Civil Power in Goa and in New Delhi; they should stop dictating and trying to influence locals etc with sops! The GoG is itself to blame for this unwarranted Noise about airport! Goa's time and energy and finances are better empolyed at resolving more pressing and basic problems, that are many! Yes, there is no need for an opinion poll or a referendum. This is not a political issue. Its common sense to retain the present airport and develop it, as well as the support infrastructure, transport, roads, mass transit system et al. Goa does not need any more 'Consultants' over this. The last time the Canadian Consultants were employed, and not even told about the existance of Dabolim, and were given no brief as to compare Dabolim with any other locations in Goa. They were just told to give a report on Mopa, so somebody could mop up?? That's partisan politics indeed. This is not to say that politicians should not lead the debate or actions needed for this accomplishment; but that they should lead for 'all of Goa', like some are already doing, after listening to the people of Goa. Nasci Caldeira Melbourne Down Under
Re: [Goanet] Re: World Goa Day in Melbourne ignites Cultural Heritage ofYore
From: "Bosco D'Mello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:50 AM Subject: [Goanet] Re: World Goa Day in Melbourne ignites Cultural Heritage ofYore That would be February 4, 1987 ?? Would you know the dates (locations) of the Konkani agitation of 1986 and the violence that ensued ?? Thanks - Bosco Bosco, I will volunteer a bit from memory, and off-hand: The *Konkani agitation* truly began from the KPA- (Konkani Porjecho Avaz) -organized public meeting at Azad Maidan, opp. Goa Police HQ, Panjim, on the evening of Dec 18, 1986. In what appears to be a non-premeditated but spontaneous act, some speakers, no doubt spurred on by then student leaders present at the venue, issued a call for an indefinite Goa *Bandh* from that midnight (the following day, Dec 19, 1986, marked the Silver Jubilee of Operation Vijay, observed locally as *Goa Liberation Day.*) The dispersing crowds marauded the decorative lighting put up on the Police HQ bldg and a few other public buildings in Panjim. By nightfall, the protest action began ... by placing stones, tree trunks, etc. on major roads. Next morning saw Churchill Alemao march to Rajendra Prasad stadium in Margao, which resulted in the so-called *Flag Incident* (local Courts acquitted Alemao and others of the State charge of dishonour of the national flag.) By noon, Alemao, in a Maruti Gypsy van, was all over Salcete villages, exhorting village youth to cut off road communication, etc. Widespread road blockades (even of internal village roads) were then evident all over Salcete, Mormugao, Tiswadi and parts of Bardez. The *agitation* took, what one can call a violent, turn in the afternoon hours of Dec. 20, when at Gogol-Margao, an apparently overenthusiastic Asst. Sub-Inspector of police from Margao Town police station (Narayan Yetle), leading a despatch of armed CRPF (Central Reserve Police Force) constables, shot dead a young *Other Backward Class* Goan lad, Floriano Vaz, since celebrated (and now largely forgotten) as *Goencho Poilo Martir.* This single incident fuelled passions and, within a few days, a petty teashop fight at Mandur, near Neura/Pilar in Tiswadi, ended in the slaughter of six men from Agasaim, in the paddies between Mandur (incidentally, Goa's Charlie Chaplain, Jacinto Vaz's native village) and Agasaim, through which the Konkan Railway line runs today. All transportation routes from and to Goa -- whether by land, air or sea -- were cut off. Goa was on the throes of a very sombre pro- and anti- Konakni showdown. That's when Goa's rep. in the Union Government, Eduardo Faleiro, came in and held wide discussions with all and sundry (remember the Goa Chief Minister at the time was Pratapsing Rane.) The police were hemmed in, Central forces withdrawn and Goa regained its sanity. In early-Feb 1987, the Language Bill was adopted by the State Legislative Assembly ... whatever its merits ... but not before the Congress *High Command* (read that as the central Party leadership in Delhi) kept a Central party *Observer* stayed put in Goa, until passage of the Language Bill ... seldom has a Central partyman attended a Goa Legislative Assemby proceeding! If I must add, even then there were voices of dissent that Konkani ONLY in the Devanagari script had been officially recognized. The masses who fought for the language, a few even with their lives were marginalized. Would you say betrayed? VF
[Goanet] Mopa versus Dabolim debate.
Dear Editor, It is a good sign that a public debate is being carried on in the Press about whether Goa should have another Airport at Mopa. Let us hope that those who are to make the eventual decision on this issue will take into consideration the points of view expressed in the Press. The Goa Pradesh Congress Committee has publicly stated that it prefers to upgrade the existing airport at Dabolim to bring it on par with other international airports. However, it remains ambivalent about another airport being constructed at Mopa. The Travel and Tourism industry seems to be strongly in favour of upgrading the existing airport at Dabolim, although it is not averse to another international airport at Mopa. The politicians, as usual, are flying their kites to see which way the wind is blowing. They will make their decisions - not on the merits of the case, but on what they can 'get out of it'. In the course of the public dabate, one obvious factor, which is staring us in the face, somehow appears to be missed. The citizens of Goa should ask themselves the very pertinent question whether a small State like Goa really needs TWO international airports. With a geographical area of approximtely 3,702 sq. kms. and a population of approximately 1.5 million, will Goa be able to sustain two very large international airports at the same time? Even assuming that the capital costs of construction will come from the Central Government, the Goa Government will have to provide the basic services of electricity, water, transport, solid waste disposal etc. to maintain the airports at an acceptable level. Given the current sordid state of affairs, where the Goa Government cannot even provide uninterrupted electricity to its citizens at a constant voltage; it cannot supply uninterrupted water to the people; and it cannot manage the waste disposal problem, it is fair to assume that the Goa government (of whatever political predilection) will not be able to sustain even one international airport, leave aside two ! Even the present airport at Dabolim suffers from many severe limitations. It is highly inefficient, it is frightfully dirty and it is off-putting to most travellers. Even with a lot of financial inputs to upgrade the physical facilities, it will be necessary to spend a lot of money on daily upkeep and maintenance. It is highly doubtful that Goa can provide this. It is normal, e.g. in Mumbai and Delhi, that passengers are provided free commutes between the international and the national terminals. Since Mopa is quite a distance away from Dabolim, and assuming that one airport will be dedicated to international traffic and the other to domestic flights, will the government be able to provide similar free commutes between Mopa and Dabolim for international travellers who wish to transfer to the domestic terminal? The decision of the Goa Pradesh Congress Committee appears to be a typical 'coffee table' decision arrived at after a casual and cursory discussion of the subject. It is apparent that no real thought has gone into the decision, and no expert opinion has been sought before arriving at such an important conclusion. The Rane government is notorious for its inability to come to grips with any imporotant issue facing the citizens of Goa. It simply refers the matter to the "High Command" and abides by its decision. This is called government by default. Let us hope that this government will take the bull by the horns, and, after soliciting expert advice, arrive at a decision which will not impose any further burden on the people of Goa. We have had enough of the skybus and the IFFI to last us for a long time to come. Yours faithfully, Averthanus L. D'Souza, D-13, La Marvel Colony, Dona Paula, Goa 403 004. Tel: 2453628.
[Goanet] Ghost at Dona Paula Beach
My favorite haunted beach in Asia is in Goa. Dona Paula Beach there is haunted by the ghost of a beautiful Portuguese woman who walks in the surf on moonlight nights - naked except for her strand of pearls. Her father refused to allow her to marry the local Goan native she'd fallen in love with, so she killed herself... anyone know who is this woman? __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Re: Aldona
*** Your mail has been scanned by InterScan. ***-*** Hello Tom Its really surprising that you did not hear of the Corjuem Club. But good to know that you too have a link with Our wonderful Aldona. Its so nice to know that many of the writers for Goanet originate from Aldona Cheers and Viva to Aldonkars Jerry Fernandes Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:43:39 -0400 From: jaytey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Re: Aldona To: goanet@goanet.org Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mr. Jerry Fernandes. I know Mae de Deus Chapel and the whole of Corjuem upto Sinquerim. But I did not know about the Corjeum Club. I will make it a point to visit the club during Christmas this year. I grew up in Cottarbath in Aldona. Regards, Tom de Sousa in Hong Kong
[Goanet] Re: Still no native Indian Catholic Saint
So what? George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Sept. 25, 2005 Today is the 320th anniversary of the founding of India and the modern Third Worlds first fully native religious Congregation by Blessed Joseph Vaz and his Oratorian companion priests on September 25th, 1685. Blessed Joseph Vaz has the official title of Apostle of Kanara and Sri Lanka" for his heroic work in re-founding the missions around Mangalore and the Church in Sri Lanka under Dutch persecution. The process for his Cause for Beatification and Canonization was started in 1713. It took until 1985 for the Church to declare him a Blessed. Why? Because the documentation and miracles submitted to Rome were annulled and rejected more than once on account of the Churchs earlier racial prejudice.
[Goanet] Moving Ahead
It takes many inches to make a mile. We can only move by inches, one inch at a time. It's when we look miles ahead and wonder 'how are we going to get so far?' that we fail to move forward at all. The paradox is that we can choose to live life 'in the rear view mirror' and remain so far back that moving forward, even an inch, is most difficult. Most important, we must always keep in mind that anytime we suffer a setback while moving forward, it will always be just a matter of inches, and not miles. Cynthia _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet] Software Freedom Day 2005 at Xavier’s
St. Xavier's College of Arts, Science & Commerce - Mapusa - xavierscollege at sancharnet.in wrote: > Frederic Noronha, freelance journalist and ardent fan of Open Source > Software. Just a clarification: the above should read *Free Software* rather than *Open Source*. If you would like to know why, see: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html While free software by any other name would give you the same freedom, it makes a big difference which name we use: different words convey different ideas FN PS: I hope the extra-long signature would be excused! -- - | India Linux Users' Group, Goa | | Join the friendly user group | | Mail list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ilug-goa/join | -- | | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/teach-yourself-linux| | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ilug-goa-announce | | http://www.iosn.net/country/india/organizations/ilug-goa/ | - ,, / \.-. * SOFTWARE ((__-^^-,-^^-__)) (. .) * FREEDOM `-_---' `---_-' / V \ * SHARING `--|o` 'o|--' // \\ \ ` / /( )\ KNOWLEDGE IS POWER ): :( '.^^_^^.' SHARE IT EQUITABLY :o_o: \_/ \_/ "-"
[Goanet] World G.O.A.N. network
Dear all Within minutes of the launch of the World G.O.A.N. network (a network of Goan Organizations, Associations, and NGO's/non-profits in the worldwide Goan community), Mr. Gaspar Almeida (of Goa World and Gulf-Goans D-list fame) was the first person to sign up. He has consistently supported Goans, Goan causes, Goa Sudharop and we thank him for his support of the World G.O.A.N. Network. Some of the others who were among the first few to sign up included many organizations and individuals, including the remarkable young Constantino Xavier, the South Goa Public Interest Action group, and many more. A complete list will be published in due course. In the meantime, a special thanks to all for their unprecedented support as Goans unite to move forward. If you have not signed up already and would like to do so, please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, World G.O.A.N. network Goa Sudharop
Re: [Goanet] Ghost at Dona Paula Beach
I am pretty sure this is a myth to entice tourists. I was told so by a Goan historian P. Noronha. Helga - Original Message - From: "borg costa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My favorite haunted beach in Asia is in Goa. Dona Paula Beach there is haunted by the ghost of a beautiful Portuguese woman who walks in the surf on moonlight nights - naked except for her strand of pearls. Her father refused to allow her to marry the local Goan native she'd fallen in love with, so she killed herself... anyone know who is this woman? __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Re: Still no native Indian Catholic Saint
George Pinto wrote:Sept. 25, 2005 Today is the 320th anniversary of the founding of India and the modern Third Worlds first fully native religious Congregation by Blessed Joseph Vaz and his Oratorian companion priests on September 25th, 1685. Blessed Joseph Vaz has the official title of Apostle of Kanara and Sri Lanka" for his heroic work in re-founding the missions around Mangalore and the Church in Sri Lanka under Dutch persecution. The process for his Cause for Beatification and Canonization was started in 1713. It took until 1985 for the Church to declare him a Blessed. Why? Because the documentation and miracles submitted to Rome were annulled and rejected more than once on account of the Churchs earlier racial prejudice. Mario replies: How do we know that racial prejudice was involved? Indian Cardinal Lourdaswamy is on the Vatican Council in Rome that determines these kinds of things. Maybe he can shed some light on the issue.
RE: [Goanet] Needs for ' BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE'
Yes Philip, I agree and support all this, as well as the amendments, I would make as below. Nasci Caldeira From: "Philip Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] WISH LIST FOR BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 07:14:28 +0530 Everything else remaining the same, here are a few things I would personally like to see get better in Goa: 1. Electricity supply that is 24x7 and in dire emergencies gets restored in a few hours. Nasci: Continual potable/clean water supply; this will give residents essential water, and help get rid of all those plastic bottles sold wirth water. 2. Cable TV that is steady and stable (i.e. no sudden switching of channels, hijacking of one channel by another, channels going on and off like a Christmas tree's lights etc) 3. A newspaper guy who can deliver a Mumbai paper latest by noon and not 6:00 in the evening and sometimes the next day! Nasci: Even local papers should be made available; this should not be that much of a problem, as long as interested parties do not put spokes to the wheel! 4. Computer guys who have every intention of keeping their home service appointments. 5. Streets, roads, highways (and sidewalks) that are free of potholes. Nasci: Even surface and lit up as required by night. 6. A beach that is free of litter and not black. Nasci: more importantly, free of fake masseurs, hawkers, cattle, and stray dogs too!) 7. A public library that is systematically run and has an uptodate collection of books, periodicals and papers. 8. Long distance connectivity by bus, train or plane that is cheap and cheerful and available on demand. Nasci: Busses clean and modern in structure, without overcrowding and with tickets; and taxis clean and comfy and with meters. 9. At least one more petrol station where one can get air pressure checked automatically and not manually. Nasci: Petrol stations should be outside of the towns except one or two; on the roads leading in and out of the towns; to reduce congestion in the town and facilitate out of town areas. 10. A riverside road in town that is not a micromini roller coaster with umpteen bumps along the way. Nasci: All roads should be of a minimum width (seven and a half meters?), and as straight as possible, and with an even surface. 11) A well planned programme and implementation of 'Garbage Disposal' and of recyclable products, seperation of plastic and glass, newsprint and cardboard etc. at source, before collection! Nasci Caldeira Melbourne Down Under
[Goanet] MEETING FOR ROMI KONKANI IN KUWAIT.
MEETING FOR ROMI KONKANI IN KUWAIT. KONKNNI BHAS AMCHI MAI BHAS ANI TICH BHAS ZAUNK ZAI RAJ BHAS. This slogan when coined its echo was reverberated in the Gulf in general and Kuwait in particular. Kuwaitkars amongst the entire expatriate Goans spread all around the world took greater responsibility to support the cause of Konkani because the cause of Konkani is the cause of Goa and those who claim to be Goans are duty bound to support the cause of Konkani. One of the reasons for the recognition of Konkani and thereby gaining statehood for Goa was the strong support lent to Konkani cause by the Kuwait Goans. For the cause of Konkani Kuwait Goans are always awake and that they are awake was once again proved on 21st of this month at 8.00 p.m. in one of the city hotels where they held a meeting to support the cause of Romi Konkani. This meeting was called by KUWAIT KONKNNI KENDR to show their solidarity with their Romi Konkani supporters and fighters in Goa. It was unanimously agreed by all those who attended this meeting that Goa Government must amend the language act to give equal status to Roman script Konkani as well. Now the next issue will be ROMI KONKNNI AMCHI MAI BHAS ANI NAGRI SANGATA TI-I BI ZAUNK ZAI GOYCHI RAJ BHAS. We need simple Konkani as we speak in our day to day life and not the sanskritik Konknni with full of Maratik influence as it is propounded by few Hindu Saraswats who are trying to impose on us something which we cannot accept. For the cause of Konkani only the Roman script Konknnivadis suffered martyrdom, there was not a single Nagrivadi martyr. Lakhs of rupees as donations sent from Kuwait by the Romivadis only. Since Kuwaitkars played such a mighty role in the recognition of Konkani as official language of Goa, now Kuwait Goans cannot remain as silent spectators when the events are taking place in Goa in support of Romi script Konkani. We Romivadis are not denying recognition for Nagri script Konkani, we are not asking to withdraw the recognition of Devangri script. No, it is not our demand. Our demand is equal recognition for Romi script Konkani also and to do this is not impossible. Elesewhere dual script is in existence. The Romi voters from Salcette and elsewhere who elected their MLAs now inject heavy pressure on their MLAs to pilot and support the amendment bill in Goa Legislative Assembly for giving equal status to Romi Konknni also. The Christao MLAs are sleeping in Goa, their voters must wake them now thuis was the view of the people who attended this meeting. The meeting on Wednesday 21st of this month was attended by Goans from different clubs and segments. The Chief guest was Carmo Santos the president of Goan Welfare Society who along with his wife occupied the main chairs at the dias along with guests speakers Manuel de Santa Cruz, Santana Afonso president Entertainment Club and KKKs president Elvino Elvino Rodrigues. The others who spoke were Luis Cardoso of KKK and Alexandre Fernandes the president of Colva. A.Veronica Fernandes compeered the proceedings. All the speakers including the chief guest strongly supported the issue of Romi Konkani and demanded from Goa Government equal recognition for the Roman script Konkani. It was also agreed by all during the meeting that at this stage Goans settled down in the west must also come out with strong support for the cause of Roman script Konkani. Alexandre Fernandes in his speech regretted the silence of West settled Goans for the cause of Konkani. Even all the attendees agreed on this point because we all know that during the language agitation in Goa besides Gulf Goans no Western Goan support came. Alexandre and Manuel de Santa Cruz lauded the efforts of Kuwait Goans to give a lead now for the cause of Romi Konkani and expressed their hope that Goans from other places in the Gulf and Goans from West will follow the example of their brothers and sisters in Kuwait. Besides them, other speakers too applauded KKK for taking bold initiatives and decisions to support the cause of Konkani. It has to be noted that Kuwait Goans are always on forefront for the good cause of Goa, Konkani cause taking priority. KKK has given the lead but other clubs and organizations functioning in the name of Goa and Goans with prefixes and suffixes, as Goa and Goans must also show their solidarity with this cause otherwise what is the use of naming their clubs and associations after Goa? Alexandre has promised to call a meeting of his Club to show solidarity with this cause. Other Kuwait Goan Clubs are also expected to follow and if any assistance is required, KKK is there for help. This is the right time for us expatriate Goans to stand by our brothers by supporting this genuine cause of Romi Konkani. Let this cause be the cause of every Kuwait Goan and every Kuwait Goan association and not of KKK only. Let every Kuwait Goan be the spokesman of Rom
[Goanet] Re: SORO ANI BEBDHE
Sanny Bab, Tumcho konknni lekh SORO ANI BEBDHE zo TIATRO & SORO hea vixoiea vor zabab- achea rupan ami vachlo. vachun zaiti khoxi bhogli karan zaitea kallan konne tori konknni Romi Lipintlean net-ar boroup kelelem vachunk meulem mhunn. Zaith goddie tumi Romi Lipik tenko duipak hem pavl marlam zaunk favo. Hea akantachea vellar amkam osleam boroupanchi chodd goroz zea vorvim amcheanim akea sounsarak porgott korunk xokta GOEMKAR AMI KHASS KONKANNI AMCHI BHASS. Tumcheo tinteavoileo (CROSS<+>ROADS) khobro inglez lekh sogott vachta, tumi khoreanich borim boroupam boroita, konknni machier borea vixoiacher ekoddo gaupi mhunn ami tumchi sodanch toknai kelea, pun porxim xabaski duink nam kiteak xabaski dili mhunntoch sabar boroupi ani tiatr nachpi xati fulloun cholta. zaitea zannak ek lekh boroup vho ek tiatr nachop, sorgak hath lailolea porim dista. Adlea tempar orist ani bhirantkul goddneo goddtaleo tednam fokot char tonndam tintear khobro korun kabar zataleo, pun aiz toxem amkam disonam, rosteavelem kestanv rostear koxem kobar korchem tachi amkam azuni xinkvon mellunk nam. aiz amkam zaitem sompepon assa, khobro ami toeir korta ani ekach kinnath akea sounsarak uzzo laita. zoxe porim soro ghontlea uprant pottant uzzo petta. atam petlolea uzzeak petrolacho upai sarko nhoi, uzzeachi zath zanam zaunk chodd gorjechem, uddok vho ranv marli mhunn uzzo palouta? nam! basabas korun ami amcho kimti vell piddear korta, tumchea lekhant tumi sorol boroita [Ixttando, aiz passun konnuch fudem soronk-nam Tiatro & Soro" hea vixaiea vhoir ek tori utor borounk. Punn kall hanvem nettar vachlam tantun charcha zalea punn nhuim tiatrist-anchi, kaim nezo, tiatrist nedentle zagoutoch konn tori fudem sortolo. Aiz haum jem kitem boroitam tem konnech apleak laun gheunchem nhuim. Kiteak haum konna-kuch bot'tam dakoi nam.] Fuddem tumi oxem mhunnta. [Maka sumar 6 vorsam zalim haum InterNet-hache velem boroup vachtam, Anik atam passun sumar 20 pautt tori "Tiatro & Soro" hache poile 2 (don) vers vachleat. "They are repeat shows". Aiz somplele Bab Lucasinho ani Bab Joao Agostinho jive asle tor chod khoxi zate asle, anik mhuntele asle: Amkam adim titlo lokh volkonaslo, punn aiz amkam hea Internet-an famad kele. Teach porim Bab Joao Agostinho vhodik khoxi zatolo aslo kiteak tachem ek utor rostad hea kallar choduch porgottat mhunon.] Hanv mhunnta tiatrist rx, tiatrist bebdhe hatun kitem novidad assa? hem ami aiz ani kall aikonk nam, vorsam somplim. tiatristache nodren eka tiatrist bhavachem boreponn zana zalolo zalear sov vorsam tumi khoim nidlele? sov vorsam tumi net-ar koslo vaur kori? vho. TIATRO & SORO tumi tumchea jivit-ak sorr korta, kiteak? Soro fott uloinam mhunnta tem soth. kantto topta tednam amkam eai zata. mhunxean apleak kitem sobta tench korunk zai. Dominic Araujo Kala Mogui Kuwait.
[Goanet] Goanet News Bytes * Sept 25, 24, 23 * IT order attaches Goa minister's property, reports Gomantak Times
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] / d8 Founded 1994 e88~88e e88~-_/~~~8e 888-~88e e88~~8e _d88__ by Herman 888 888 d888 i 88b 888 888 d888 88b 888 Carneiro "88_88" | e88~-888 888 888 __888 888 / Y888 ' C888 888 888 888 Y888, 888 www.goanet.org Cb "88_-~ "88_-888 888 888 "88___/ "88_/ Y8""8D [GOANET NEWS BYTES * SEPT 25, 24, 23, 2005 * DATELINE GOA] * Compiled in public interest by Frederick Noronha *** SEPTEMBER 25, 2005 -- o Income Tax authorities issue orders provisionally attaching properties of Town and Country Planning Minister Atanasio alias Babush Monserrate, following a raid at his residence and business establishments in August 2004, reports Gomantak Times. o Cause of tar balls beyond our purview, says Coast Guard. Coast Guard says it is a security agency, and has no scientific expertise to arrive at any firm conclusions on the causes of the presence of tar balls. (NT) o Goa government gears up to fortify jails. (NT) o Mormugao Municipal Council unanimously resolves to support the continuance of the Dabolim airport. (NT) JAMINI MEHTA argues in the Navhind Times, "Not only is it not practical to wish away the navy's presence and its interest in the present airport, it may also be too small to accomodate bigger and multiple runways required to mention better passenger facilities." NT o Officials in Goa fail to check unsafe Panjim buildings. (H) o Gomantak Times says a DJ involved in a sex racket involving a Bangladeshi link was finally arrested. The DJ is from Britona. (GT) Herald says sources revealed that the Vasco police were "immersed in booze" during the recent Ganesh festival celebrations. There were earlier reports of "disorderly behaviour" at Panjim. o Politicos have selfish interest on the Mopa airport issue, alleges Travel and Tourism Association of Goa TTAG president Charles Bonifacio. (H) o Motorists beware: Drunken driven may cost you Rs 2000. 60 cases booked in Margao last month. (H) o Navhind reviews Ben Antao's novel 'Blood & Nemesis'. "From the very first chapter of this work of fiction, the reader gets the impression that heavy drinking, gambling and illicit sex play an important part of the plot and as he reads on, his suspicion is confirmed." (NT) o Gomantak Times says Goa officials question the report of a TV channel warning of "thundershowers" in most places over the Konkan and Goa. (GT/W) o Rain causes extensive damage to Pernem paddy crop. (GT/W) o GT profiles on lawyer Shanti (Maria) Fonseca, and artist Theodore 'Ted' Misquita. (GT/W) SEPTEMBER 24, 2005 -- o Goa gets respite from the heavy rains. (NT) No major damage says North Goa collector Nikhil Kumar.(NT) o Kuwait, Sharjah flights cancelled (due to heavy rain). H o Carambolim lake spills over. (NT) Houses at Carambolim were partially submerged, following heavy downpour in the state on Friday. (GT) o Normally, the monsoons in Goa, like in other southern states, starts receeding during mid-September, but this year the pattern has changed. (NT) o Solid waste disposal plant needed in each municipality, says deputy CM Dr Wilfred de Souza. (NT) o Hoteliers briefed about 'bar girls', dance-bar girls and other sex workers who were flocking to Goa. Police advised hoteliers to keep a track and intimate them of any 'girls' and any suspected woman accompanying them. (NT) o (Deputy CM) Dr Willy willing to act against raves. (H) o Rane takes over as Goa State Infrastructure Development Corporation (GSIDC), a special vehicle created by the BJP government for fast-track projects. (H) 700 GOVERNMENT JOBS UP FOR GRABS, reports the Herald. In Goa's already-bloated bureaucracy, some 684 posts for policemen for a special Armed Police Battalion and 102 government primary school teachers are to be shortly absorbed. o South Goa zilla panchayat on Friday rejected a motion demanding the scrapping of the proposed airport at Mopa, but called for upgradation of the Dabolim airport by shifting the Naval base to 'Sea Bird' at Karwar. (H) o Konkani supporters form world body, on the principle of 'unity in diversity', despite the variety of scripts, dialects, castes and creeds. Eric Ozario of Karnataka is president and Tomazinho CArdozo the Exec Secretary.(H) o Goa's Institute of Psychiatry and Human Behaviour is 'ill'! How is it gonna treat the mentally ill? SEPTEMBER 23, 2005 -- o Child drowns; Sanquelim floods (NT). Life affected across Goa. People rescued in Ponda. 70 families evacuated in Sanquelim. (NT) o Destruction galore as rains continue to pound State. (H) Dam g
