Fw: [Goanet] Re: Atheism
Cornel DaCosta writes: Firstly, I regret I need to include below, the full text of my original post re Atheism. This is because on the basis of this post, Mario concluded and stated on Goanet that I am an atheist. Secondly, a little while ago, on Goanet, I had a fulsome and civilized discussion with the Catholic scholar, Fr Ivo, why as a humanist, I disagreed with some aspects of his religious beliefs. Mario asks: Cornel, Are you an atheist, or not? Your answer will clarify whether my conclusion was correct or not. While you consider your answer please remember any assertions you may have made in other forums. Thanks. You seem bothered by my simple assertion that most unorganized atheists - which do not include Buddhists and Jains - are likely to have a moral code that is somewhat based on personal convenience, i.e. little outside accountability other than that required by law. Kevin informs me that some avowed atheists put a lot of work in developing the codes they follow, and theirs may even be better than any suggested by ancient religions with the accumulated experience and wisdom of centuries. As my kids say, Whatever. However, your responses, full of personal epithets and insults, suggest that you are trying on my shoe and finding that it fits you very well as an avowed humanist. Humanism is described by Websters as ...a philosophy that usually rejects supernaturalism Sounds pretty much like atheism, but maybe your definition is different. BTW, I have no problem with atheism or humanism, only with aggressive evangelical atheists and humanists. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Ode to the Woe of a Dying Princess (Tony Fernandes)
Ode to the Woe of a Dying Princess Tony Fernandes (February 2006) It seems paradoxical that a vessel with a name 'River Princess' gets so little attention while she still lies there motionless, waiting to be salvaged, after being abandoned off Candolim beach for half a decade. So far the government has done nothing serious enough to get it out. Fervent pleas by locals have fallen on deaf ears. The scale and magnitude of the damage to marine life and pollution to the beach itself that could occur should this princess eventually fall apart is unconceivable. Here's an ode dedicated to the woe of a dying princess. Abandoned by callous crew, heartless owner, cruel master; Helplessly I wander And upon the sandy ocean floor, I finally surrender. An abandoned princess, Now breathless, Once the pride of the seas, a legend, Now weakened and orphaned. Familiar faces of visitors every year on the beach I see Happy folks stare at me, some with dismay, others with glee, Tourists! Am I being laughed at secretly? I wish not to mock you, but if compelled I would, hesitantly. Through no fault of my own I still languish here, Yes, you there, I'm aware, Did you not have more hair When you were around here last year? Saw you five years ago I do recall, Seems you are having a ball, You had one then, Now you are back here with four in all. An old man, long ago, I must confess, Seemed to share my distress, Strolled everyday along the shore; Where is he now I wonder, I see him no more. Something tells me he must have once been a seaman With his gaze in my direction, he wished me luck I could tell. At the time he seemed frail Wherever he is, I hope he's well. Epilogue Tenders floated, pockets bloated, Palms greased, work ceased, Valuables plundered, hopes battered, Money and time wasted, Now no one is bothered. Salvage companies: fleeced and vanished, Negotiations, deliberations: went unabated, World's top holiday destination: I'm impressed! But that a dying princess cannot be saved: I'm deeply distressed. February 2006 http://www.goanet.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=345 _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
Re: [Goanet] POLICE MATTERS
--- Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know policemen working 14 hours a day 7 days a week without leave or relaxation. there needs to be some games room and a place to have a good shower at every police station. Some days the police stations do not even have enough water to wash the plates during summer. Viva Goa. Miguel You mean to say slavery exists, and that too with the slave-driver being the government? In a democracy? Sad indeed. Is there a Police Union (or a similar industrial body) that can take up the case for the police against the govt? Or is everybody sleeping on these issues? Gabriel de Figueiredo. On Yahoo!7 Messenger - Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas. http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Horticulture schemes for you in goa.
Making it a Mission: Fruits, Flowers Vegetables. The winds of change are blowing all over the world. More and more people are turning vegetarian, vegan, and even fruitarian, by the day. It is a healthy way to live. It is also the simplest way of ensuring that hormones pumped into animals and birds to ensure quick weight gain do not do the same to you. Obesity and hormonal disorders lead to many debilitating diseases like diabetes and predispose one to physical problems. Increased demand for fruits and vegetables at the current levels of production in India can be disastrous to the Indian economy. If the supply does not keep pace with the increasing demand, prices are bound to shoot up. Imports cost foreign exchange. Economist Adam Smith had put that down as the basic principle of demand and supply. We have economists as Prime Minister of India, Finance Minister and also as the Deputy Chairman of the Planning Commission. They were quick to realize this. Hence, the establishment of the National Horticulture Mission or NHM. Everything starts with the Nursery stage. Two large, Government-run Plant Nurseries at Codar Farm-Ponda and Kalay Farm-Sanguem have been selected for upgrading to produce 4 lakh fruit plants per year. There is a window of opportunity for one small private sector nursery to obtain assistance for half the cost or up to Rs.1.50 lakhs and produce 60,000 plants per year by establishing 2000 sq.m.Net-house area with micro irrigation facility. In Goa, one can also avail of the State Sector Schemes for fencing, including live bio-fencing with Glyricidia, Jatropha, etc and for installing a power shredder to make compost of the nursery waste. Garcinia or Kokum has fired the imagination of the people once again. The traditional sol-kadi has received a new boost with the discovery of its cholesterol balance and lipogenesis control properties by Dr. Lowenstein. From being classified as a minor tree spice it is now a full-fledged fruit. Cultivation of Mango, Garcinia, Chickoo/Sapota, Guava and other fruit trees now attracts 75% subsidy up to Rs.15, 000/- per hectare, i.e. 10,000 sq.m., towards cost of establishing the orchard. If one would rather grow bananas, the same amount is available as half the actual cost over a period of three years. Just call the toll free number 1551 of the Kisan Call Centre or any office of the Goa Directorate of Agriculture for further information. Medicinal plants and spices have been brought under the ambit of the NHM with Rs.11, 250/- as subsidy per hectare. The same holds good for cashew which used to attract a lower subsidy all these years. Cashew grafts were first introduced into cultivation in this state from June 1984, when the subsidy was a mere Rs.200/- per hectare for planting of seedlings. It was the pragmatism of Ramesh G. Joshi, then a Horticulture Development Officer of Assistant Director rank, that brought the grafted cashew into the system. I was the point man for this experiment as the junior most field officer in the cashew heart land, Bicholim. Ramesh Joshi retires as the Director of Agriculture in June this year. He may well preside over the creation of a new zonal office in Mormugao before he demits office. Certification of farm produce as Organic costs a pretty penny. Most rural farmers cannot afford the fee of the Certifying Agency. To encourage farmers to get their farm produce certified, the NHM grants up to Rs.5.00 lakhs as assistance for farmers having a cluster of fifty hectares farm area. The Goa Government has now become proactive and taken up the task of obtaining a Geographical Indication for feni. Individual cashew growers from remote Canacona, with the assistance of a cashew nut exporter, had earlier stolen a march by getting their cashew nuts certified as Organic by a foreign certifying agency. If there is a will almost anything is possible. Collection, grading, cold storage, processing, packaging, transportation and marketing are some of the difficulties faced by farm producers. The capital costs on equipment are rather high. The NHM provides a quarter of the cost on capital goods as subsidy. There is also a Central Sector Scheme for value addition equipment like the Garcinia fruit cutter, pulper, cashew juice extractor and drier. Areca nut is quite extensively grown in some parts of Goa. The leaf bases are ideal material for making plates and bowls. There is a subsidy of Rs.10,000/- available to procure a leaf-plate forming machine. The used plates make excellent cattle feed and is otherwise fully biodegradable. Two outstanding Officers of the Directorate of Agriculture have currently been sent out on deputation to the Goa Horticulture Corporation headed by the irrepressible Congressman, Girish Chodankar. Orlando Rodrigues, the new MD of the Corporation, is already making waves by selecting the Malcurada mango for sales promotion all over India and, perhaps, abroad. Ulhas Kakode, the experienced GM of the
Re: [Goanet] CORPORATIONS SHOULD BE RUN BY PROFESSIONALS
Hi Mario, I am obviously referring to Government owned Corporations. Aires Quoting Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Aires, Are you talking about public or government owned Corporations? How would you legally impose what you are suggesting in any private Corporation? Mario --- airesrod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Politics today is never a losing proposition. Profit or no profit our MPs and MLAs should not be allowed to head Corporations as well and further milk our barren exchequer. This message was sent using NWebmail, BSNL's Webmail Program _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] LET THE MARINE DRIVE RAPE CASE BE A PRECEDENT
The former Mumbai Marine Drive police constable Sunil More's conviction within a year of his raping a young girl goes to show that the Indian Judicial system can deliver. Though Judge K.U. Chandiwal was not presiding over a fast track court, he ensured that the trial was meticulously and speedily completed in less than six months. Trials in serious crimes like rape, dacoity and murder should be expedited like the Sunil More case so that the ends of justice are speedily met. It is always advantageous to have trials expedited while evidence is fresh. The Maharashtra Government had paid Rs three lakhs by way of compensation to the 17 year old victim raped by Sunil More.Will the 12 year sentence imposed on the convicted constable be a deterrent to the perpetrators of such crimes? Will it be enough to restore the public faith in the law enforcement authority whose soldier Sunil More let the police and public down by committing rape while in uniform and within the precincts of a police outpost. Aires Rodrigues ___ Yahoo! Photos NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Poetugues India banknotes
Folks, This link shows bank notes from Portuguese India. Scroll down to the bottom of the page to view them (after the link has been opened.) Mervyn3.0 http://aes.iupui.edu/rwise/countries/india.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Is the term defrocked derogatory?
With all due respects to Peter D'Souza, his explanation to his question is rather lame. Perhaps his question is just exoteric. I am not claiming that Peter made a libelous post; since I do not follow all his or other posters' post. Yet, should the Goanet administration take a stronger stand on libelous post? If the Goanet administration feels it has enough on its plate, for a minimum it can have an Ethics Committee to look at posts in question. This would be a better solution than legal action. Cyberspace is not a free for all (lagao bhathi) to let off steam or make wild allegations against individuals. The administrators may not be able to get away with the opinion expressed on this web site is not necessarily endorsed by the administration . Regards, GL -- Peter D'Souza The dictionary definition doesn't seem to support your basic contention. While it's not a matter of pride for anyone who's been through it (the process of defrocking), it seems like a purely technical description. 1. To strip of priestly privileges and functions. 2. To deprive of the right to practice a profession. 3. To deprive of an honorary position. - Mervyn Lobo wrote: Peter, The short answer is yes. Peter D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Is the term defrocked derogatory? _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] NRI Meet in Dubai - My Take -- Part I
The NRI meet in Dubai -- My Take (Part I) by Eugene Correia The reports on the visit of the three-member team from the NRI Facilitation Centre to the Gulf is not flattering. I have no information about the meeting in Abu Dhabi. The Kuwait meeting report by Rabindra Pimenta and The Emirates Evening Post report show that many Goans did not want to come and those who were present were not happy at the result. In a post before the team's visit I had echoed the same sentiments expressed by Godfrey Gonsalves that the trip is a waste of time and money. What made the Goa government to undertake this mission so early to the next Gomant Vishwa Samellan is beyond my understanding. I can infer that whoever suggested this trip wanted to come to the Gulf at the government's cost before there could be change of scenario with the appointment of Eduardo Faleiro as NRI Commissioner. Since Faleiro is still awaiting Terms of Reference to his appointment, as reported here on goanet, some wise members wanted to jump the gun and enjoy this joy ride. The Emirates story say how the Dubai meeting was conducted. I can go further and say that I was very disapointed with Herculano Dourado's handling of the meeting. Before the meeting I enquired with him about what would be the centre's position vis-a-vis Faleiro and he told me that they had met Faleiro before the trip. He also informed the gathering that the team had two meetings with Faleiro. However, he requested me not to raise questions regarding the issue of relationship between the centre and the Faleiro. I did not raise because at the start of the meeting Dourado specified that he was only seeking to hear problems and suggestions from NRGs. Besides, it was getting late and people were leaving the room because for many the next day (Saturday. I learnt about the meeting just one hour before its scheduled time 7:30 pm and that too from a person I just called to talk about something personal. The person told me that the meeting's annoucement appeared in Gulf News, which I hadn't read that morning. When a person asked Dourado to give background information on the centre, he began by saying that it was formed three or four years ago. I tried to point out that the NRI Facilitation Cell was its forerunner, but he cut me short saying that he will sit down and I can come and tell the people about the centre. His impatience to listen and also the tone of his voice made it clear to me that Dourado was going to conduct the meeting in an authorative manner. It was not something I expected of him when I raised a point of order. As I think of it and begin to understand his behaviour, I feel I shouldn't have been surprised at all. I will later provide examples to show how Dourado has ruled over some organizations to the detriment of the organization's interests. When Pravin, the person who sort of coordinated the meeting, raised an issue and asked the people if what he said was true or not, Dourado admonished him by telling him not to be a populist. Mind you, Pravin, as president of the Goan Sodality Group in the St. Mary's Church, went out of his way to get a church hall and also to get the church to make an announcement of the meeting, but both were denied. He said he called many people to come but few turned up. Dourado said that since no local groups could arrange a hall, the delegation members booked the hotel room from their own money. He said emphatically twice that he wanted to have the meeting at all cost to show that the team really cared for NRGs. But much later he admitted that the team found a benefactor in Nelson Silveira, who is known for his support of Goan football and also as the financier of the football team Vaxim Divar. Nelson paid the room's Dirhams 500 charge. Obviously, the team wanted to have the meeting at all cost or they would have lost face. One of the members told me before the meeting that they contacted the local Goan association, but found that it was defunct. I am not sure if the Goan Cultural Society is defunct but surely the association is not functioning as it should. This raises an important question: Why did the Goa government sent a team without sufficient funds/budget? It looked ambarassing and probably many NRGs felt guilty when Dourado began saying the team had decided to pay from their pockets for the room charge. Perhaps the Emirates Evening Post reporter took away the impression that the Goa government lacks money to provide sufficients funds to its official team. Many Goans in the gathering would have willingly given money to pay towards the cost of the room if Pravin or someone who was connected in organizing the meeting had approached them with a request. Pimenta and the Evening Post's reports inform the nature of problems raised at both meetings. Dourado, himself a lawyer, gave legal interpretations to some of the problems that related to land and house disputes, and provided his understanding of some problems that related to get high
Re: [Goanet] Of Portuguese passports, migrants OCI status
--- ralph rau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if considering staying on in India Goans should go ahead and get the Portuguese passport, which is a superior travel document, Mario asks: Wait a minute. Not so fast. Where did you get the idea that a passport from a second rate European country like Portugal is a superior travel document to that of an acknowledged future superpower like India? Can you please explain? Thank you. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] The articles on the TGF Front Page April 4, 2006
The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net invites all readers of this message to review the articles on the site The articles on the TGF Front Page are as follows: Your views are welcome. Please advise IF TGF should NOT use them thanks jc === A Shocker from Chennai ! - Chetan Chauhan, Hindustan Times. A study in Chennai has found that as many as 42 per cent of school-going children are victims of sexual abuse. And in most of the cases, the perpetrators are either close relatives or family members. For most children, abuse takes place between 11 and 15 years of age. Most cases of abuse against children came from the higher income group. === A tribute to Anjediva's Poristhar - by Anthony Baretto Born on 4 October 1912, Poristhar completed his Segundo Grau and started a career in the military. His next posting was as Commander on Anjediv for 16 years and new the place like the back of his hand. I spent the best years of my life on the Anjediv Island. Life was full of excitement, he would add nostalgically. === Goas appalling road sense-2 by Valmiki Faleiro India with 10 million vehicles has 87,000 accidents a year. Japan with 74 million vehicles has 8,400. Goa, with a fraction of a single million vehicles, has 3,000+ reported accidents per annum! Sadly, thats where we stand. === Driving Skills in Goa: What Driving Skills? by Valmiki Faleiro Bad roads and too many vehicles do not cause accidents. People who drive them do. Abysmal driving skills and an appalling lack of road sense are the conjoined twins primarily responsible for death and misery on Goas roads. [ Why TGF does not agree fully with Valmiki ] === Goas appalling road sense-1 by Valmiki Faleiro Lack of good driving skills is one part of Goas problem. The other is our appalling road sense.Between poor driving skills and lack of road sense the conjoined twins that primarily cause death and misery on Goas roads the latter is far more lethal. Inept driving does cause accidents, but our woeful bliss of road sense and traffic rules is the bulk cause of road tragedy. === Violence is Never the Answer - TGF It is a sad commentary on those in the power-blocs who fomented this atmosphere of communalism, those in the press who should have known better but decided to stick their ostrichoid heads into the sand, the educated who should have anticipated wisely but chose to follow instead of leading, and all those who sold their souls for a few pieces of silver. === Portuguese Nationality 2006 - Livia de Abreu Noronha Best of luck to all the Goans who are anxious to get through this ordeal, which should have really been a smooth one, punn bhaile lokhan piddar konn ghallem. As a Catholic I will say Devan tumkam sogleank adhar dinvum. other lead articles: A Goan Village circa 1961 : Pride, Prejudice, the Truth, or Selective Blindness in 2006? The Goa Mess named Land Survey ROMAN SCRIPT For Konkani A MUST: NOW OR NEVER Science, PseudoScience, Plagiarism or What? What a Monumental Shame ! Chandrakant Keni sez -Expel Portuguese Goans from Goa ! Goa: One man's meat is another man's poison The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
Re: [Goanet] CORPORATIONS SHOULD BE RUN BY PROFESSIONALS
Aires, Are you talking about public or government owned Corporations? How would you legally impose what you are suggesting in any private Corporation? Mario --- airesrod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Politics today is never a losing proposition. Profit or no profit our MPs and MLAs should not be allowed to head Corporations as well and further milk our barren exchequer. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
Re: [Goanet] Factories charged with dumping toxic waste in Goa
Mario, I'm sure that corporations in India, have undertaken some social projects, like TATAs, etc. What I was comparing them to is Corporate America. No doubt, Corporate America is renowned for its unrelenting greed and pursuit of the greenback. But, they are also very actively involved within the communities they operate in. Part of this maybe good public relations but a lot of it, has to do with giving back to the community. Wendy, Target, McDonald's, all have scholarships, soup kitchens, food shelf programmes, youth centers, exhibition halls, museum exhibition sponsorships, etc. Do you really hear of the Dempes, the Menezes, the Salgoancar being involved in Goa's socioeconomic fabric. The Menezes for instance have a chain of pharmacies across Goa and have literally built their empires through Goan patronage. Yet, it is well known that they do their best to underpay their employees and provides one of the worst working conditions known to Goans. I do feel that Corporate India or Goa, has underplayed its rightful role. Instead they have clearly shirked it, deciding to milk the cow but rarely feed it. elisabeth -- --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Elisabeth Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A new kind of mafia operates in India. It is the corporate Mafia, which holds itself unaccountable to the law. Shame on you, Corporate India, shame on you! Mario cautions: Elisabeth, Let's not tar every Indian corporation with the same brush. There are many socially conscious among them. Tatas, Larsen Toubro and Glenmark are some that come to mind. I'm sure there are many others as well. Those who are found to be guilty are the ones who should be not only ashamed, but prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
Re: [Goanet] Re: Is the term defrocked derogatory?
On 02/04/06, Peter D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Mervyn. The dictionary definition doesn't seem to support your basic contention. While it's not a matter of pride for anyone who's been through it (the process of defrocking), it seems like a purely technical description. http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?gwp=13s=defrocked de·frock (dē-frŏk') tr.v., -frocked, -frock·ing, -frocks. 1. To strip of priestly privileges and functions. 2. To deprive of the right to practice a profession. 3. To deprive of an honorary position. Peter Comment: Hello! So you do not see it as a derogatory term? persons/people are usually defrocked for breaking their professional code of conductto accuse someone who has not been defrocked is derogatory...okay mate? -- TUMCHER AXIRVAD ASSUM; DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Disgraceful Smear Job
--- Peter D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It doesn't matter whether I am reliable or not, since I am not accusing someone of masquerading as someone else--a rather serious allegation. Nonsense. It absolutely matters whether you are reliable or not. You are accusing me of being unreliable, and insinuating that I have modified some pertinent quotes. I have proven that in this matter I am 100% reliable. Anybody who has received the copy of Joy Braganza email in the NY/NJ area, whose IP address and text I have provided, can attest to this fact. I have proven to you on GoenchimXapotam that you inserted text into a quote. Several GXers, and the archives, will confirm this. All you have done is pointed out one solitary instance of inadvertent garbling of text in a quote that had nothing to do with this issue. Anyone who does not hold a grudge against me as you do for petty political, ideological and selfish reasons, would confirm the truth of my assertion. I will attempt to prove it, if you insist. :-) I challenge you once again, as I had done on GX, to prove that I have modified the publicly displayed Joy Braganza IP header information. That is exactly what you are trying to insinuate again with this smear job of yours because you can do nothing else. If you cannot prove such modification be man enough to admit it. Cheers, Santosh _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Goa's Cricket Test (V M de Malar)
I bought my tickets the straightforward way, by standing in line outside the Syndicate Bank in Mapuca. The windows opened five minutes late, there were already scores of locals and foreigners queued up. A couple of policemen arrived on the scene, also five minutes late, but there wasn't much for them to do since everyone was acutely aware of who had come first, and no one dared cut ahead. A scant 10 minutes into the selling, and one window closed; only high denominations left. Very soon it was all over, an incident-free distribution of tickets that could bode well for the smooth running of this precious one-day-international awarded to Goa after a long gap. The last time we hosted a match, the shenanigans were so awful that Goa was struck off the list of suitable hosts. This time, other than a fair bit of under-the-counter selling of sponsor passes, it appears that the proceedings might be under control from the beginning. Stakes are high for Goa; this is a kind of test that we're undergoing. One aspect is the question of facilities and planning. Goa appears ready to pass muster since the Sports Authority of India has already spent a whopping 3 crore to get the Nehru Stadium ready. The formerly disgraceful toilets should be ready; 60 lakhs have been spent on them. And there's a smashing new remote- controlled sight screen (Rs. 9 lakh), excellent new dressing rooms, and much more. The other main aspect to this test for Goa is whether our local cricket authorities can be trusted to hold an international event without trying the kind of ridiculous money-making stunts that marred our last experience. Signs are that they have been more prudent this time; they probably realize that this could be just the first of a very regular series of matches. It would be pointless to slaughter this goose just when it's only begun to lay its first golden egg. There is no doubt that everyone wants regular international cricket in Goa, this is a prized stop-over for all the parties involved. If you were a foreign cricketer who had to make a stop in India, where would you rather visit, Goa or Kanpur? The cricket media loves Goa; check out the smiles on David Gower's face when he reports from Fatorda this Monday. The Indian team loves coming here, even though prime Goa enthusiast Sachin Tendulkar is out of the match after undergoing shoulder surgery earlier this week. And the increasing number of cricket tourists (who come just to watch their teams play) are in heaven here; they can combine sunning on the beach and gorging on our peerless seafood along with watching their boys go at it. It's a win-win-win situation, if only we can pull it off. If only we can keep everything under control, and reasonably hassle-free. Because, it isn't just cricket we could reasonably hope to host in the future. In addition to hosting a couple of these ODI's annually, Goa can make a serious case for hosting international-quality concerts, film premieres, arts and culture festivals, and all kinds of other top-quality events to advantage of our peerless, extremely diverse, hospitality infrastructure. It's the right direction to head. Away from scrambling for charter tourist crumbs and towards higher- budget, higher profile, event management. Fittingly, the upcoming match has real Goan flavour despite the fact that cricket hasn't really been our game over the generations. The Goa Cricket Association is felicitating Dilip Sardesai, the richly deserving fighter who is still the only Goan to play for India. Sardesai was a tough, fiery player who scored runs in huge bursts. He was the key man when India first beat the mighty West Indies in 1970-71. First, he saved the Kingston Test with an indomitable 212 runs after his side had collapsed at 75 for 5. And then followed with a superb century that gave India its historic win. And then another match-saving 150 in the next Test after his teammates had again collapsed to 70 for 6. Sardee-man, as the West Indians called him, was a relentlessly focused competitor. At the airport on arrival, he was asked if he had anything to declare. I have come here with runs, stated our Margao lad, and I'll go back with more. (ENDS) http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=423 --- The above article appeared in the March 30, 2006 edition of the Herald, Goa --- ABOUT THE AUTHOR: VM is an early Goanetter, who put his money where his mouth is and returned to settle-down in Goa in late 2004, while in his thirties. VM regularly writes for the Goa and Mumbai media. --- _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:
Re: [Goanet] Pre and Post 1961 Goa
--- Bonefacio Lopes wrote: Better or worse Mr. Afonso should be happy with his SATYAMEVA JAYATE no quarrel with him on this, while I am happy with the Portuguese rule Pre-1961, happy being in GOA being called a Goenkar and happy being called an Indian too,but i will not be a hypocrite, as i till date admire the Portuguese rule in Goa and this portuguese influence has caught up with many many Goans , the admiration towards the portuguese will be till i die. Mario observes: Bonefacio, I'm sure Mr. Correia-Afonse, who I affectionately call Big Tony, appreciates your sermao and lesson on appropriate internet language. I think he has forgotten more about the English language than most of us will ever know. Since we're talking about sermao's, let me remind you of another sermao from you on March 21, only a few days ago: Please, let's stop criticising each other on the net, lets find solutions solutions, solutions to all the Goan problems, solutions of bringing the Goan youth in the right track, drugs, sex, crimes, diseases, prostitution etc are some of these factors where our Goan youth are driving towards, how best we can help these children. Portuguese passport or nationality is not the issue, what lies ahead for our GOAN YOUTH in their own GOA where most of the outsiders have postioned themselves very well. How long we are going to run overseas for employment? Let's think for a while and assist each other for the betterment of every Goan (end of Bonefacio's sermao) For the sake of Goa, which we all love, why don't we all now follow the advice YOU GAVE US in the sermao above? Let's agree to disagree, and you and Bernardo can continue to fantasize, especially since there is no way that your friends, the Portuguese, are ever coming back to Goa, except to visit and learn how to become a superpower. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
Re: [Goanet] TONNY CORREIA AFONSO - PRE AND POST GOA 1961
--- Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing mythical in the current colonial with give away of billions of our resources to the neo colonials. Mario asks: Bernardo, do you have ANY IDEA what you are talking about? _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] A page from the Women's e-book
CHAPTER 6 - GOAN WOMEN HISTORIANS By Dr. Vitor Délio Jacinto de Mendonça FÁTIMA DA SILVA GRACIAS Fátima da Silva Gracias is a Lecturer in the Department of History, Dhempe College, Panjim Goa. She has M.A. and Ph. D. degrees in History. She is the author of three books - Health Hygiene in Colonial Goa 1510-1961 (published in 1994), Kaleidoscope of Women in Goa 1510-1961 (1996) and Beyond The Self, Santa Casa da Misericórdia de Goa (2000). She has also contributed research papers on areas of health, women, social institutions and culture in publications and research seminars in India, Portugal, France, Germany and Brazil. PRATIMA PRABHAKAR KAMAT Pratima Prabhakar Kamat is Reader in the Department of History, Goa Univer-sity. She has been teaching at the University for the last 15 years. After receiving an education in different parts of India and also abroad, she completed her doctorate in History from the University of Bombay. She was Head, Depart-ment of History, Goa University (1999-2002) and served as Teacher-In-Charge, Centre for Women's Studies, Goa University. She is recognized as a Ph.D. guide in History at Goa University. Her field of specialisation is Indo-Portuguese History. She is the author of the book - Farar Far (Crossfire): Local Resistance to Colonial Hegemony in Goa 1510-1912 (published in 1999). Pratima Kamat has participated in and presented research papers at a number of national and inter-national conferences on Indo-Portuguese History and has published extensively in journals and books in India and abroad. She is the recipient of several academic awards and research scholarships. She is a member of a number of professional associations and social organisations CELSA PINTO Celsa Pinto is an Education Administrator, Government of Goa. She was born in Karachi, Pakistan, where she did most of her schooling, preparing for the Senior Cambridge Examination. She was awarded the M.A. degree by the University of Bombay and holds a doctorate in Indo-Portuguese Trade History from Goa University. Apart from research papers published in reputed journals, she is the author of three books - Trade and Finance in Portuguese India: a study of the Portuguese Country Trade, 1770-1840 (published in 1994), Goa: Images and Perceptions, Studies in Goan History (1996), A Commercial Resurgence, 1770 -1830, Situating Indo-Portuguese Trade History (2003). She has published several research papers and has participated in national and international History conferences and seminars. MARIA DE LOURDES BRAVO DA COSTA RODRIGUES Maria de Lourdes Bravo da Costa Rodrigues has a M.A. in History and a degree in Library Science. She is a Senior Librarian at the State Central Library in Panaji. She has devoted much of her time to research work specializing in Indo-Portuguese History. She has participated in several national and international conferences. Local newspapers - the Navhind Times, Herald, Gomantak Times and magazine Goa Today - and academic journals have often published her well-researched articles. She is the author of the book - Tasty Morsels: Goan Food Ingredients Preparation (published 2000). ~ Dr. Vitor Délio Jacinto de Mendonça (b. 1958) is DIrector , Xavier Centre of Historical Research, Alto Porvorim, Goa. After completing his schooling in Beira (Mozambique), he entered the Society of Jesus in Goa in 1979. He did his M.A. in Portuguese Literature, M.A. in History and Ph.D. in History. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] RE: Re: Re: Fred's bluff [III]
I thought it might repay study if we examined the implications of Fred's theme of Navy as Landlord. Let's recap the salient excerpts for this purpose: Fred wrote: As far as the Dabolim airport goes, the Navy -- like any landlord -- is sitting pretty on an asset that few realised the value of till the charter logjam just a few years ago. It's not going to give up its asset and its infrastructure easily, I responded: Recently I heard on a Goa channel that the Navy believes the airport is worth either Rs 70 thousand crores (or Rs 17 thousand crores as the Hindi/Konkani expression escaped me). I later added: Confirmation of the figure Rs 70 thousand crores came on March 31 in the TOI supplement Goa Plus. It is attributed to the Rear Admiral in charge of the Navy's Goa base. Think about it. It converts to the princely sum of U.S.dollars 16 BILLION! What is there at Dabolim that makes it so valuable? Either the Rear Admiral is projecting prime property prices of Delhi and Mumbai (of Rs 1 lakh per sq m!) onto Dabolim or he is projecting earnings from an oil field under the runway. Seriously, this may not be a simple error of extra zeroes. The Navy does seem to be harbouring this strange delusion about Dabolim rupee values. I remember hearing something like Rs 25,000 crores (one third of the present estimate!) a little over a year ago on goanet. I remember comparing it with a figure for Hickam Air Force base a frontline Ameican military base at Honolulu International Airport. The figure given is a relatively piddling $450 MILLION! Thus a major part of the contradictions in Goa society over Dabolim and Mopa Fred observes is due to information inaccuracies and distortions such as the above. So there we have it. What does all this imply? The two main implications in my view briefly are: 1. The Navy is a source of serious disinformation as far as Dabolim is concerned. Any fool should realise that if it had actually pumped in Rs 70,000 crores into the Dabolim facility then it (Dabolim) would not only be the most fantastic one in India but in the whole world! Think about it. This mind boggling sum is the equivalent of pumping in Hickam Air Force Base's current asset value every year for 35 out of the past 45 years! 2. The other implication is that the Navy uses the imaginary investment figure to argue that this simply cant be replicated overnight at Seabird hence ruling out a move of its Dabolim air activities to that more remote and appropriate base. Elements of the disinformation factor are also at work here. Initially there was glib talk of a 6000 foot runway (only) at Seabird (which was of course peanuts compared to 70K crore Dabolim). But this probably would have sufficed for Harrier training since these have eventually to operate from carrier flight decks. Then this suddenly evaporated when calls for a shift from Dabolim became vociferous last year. At that point the tune changed to only helipad. So ... Cheers. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
Re: [Goanet] Re: Re: How much emigration of the well to do took place fromGoa?
--- Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In turn, where we worked and grew up also defined our attitudes towards colonialism, 1961, out-migration, etc, etc. That's why so many East Africander Goans (or Bombay Goans) tend to be less nostalgic about the past, and are more concerned about getting on with life. In contrast, those who saw the Goa they knew change before their very eyes (and not gain much from the process, probably, or even be adversely affected) don't take to the twists of history too kindly. Complex issue this... FN I think that's one of the reasons as to why there are so many disparate views on the 'net re events of 1961 et al. Cheers, Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - VIC - Australia. On Yahoo!7 Messenger - Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas. http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Wenesday
On Wednesday this week, at two minutes and three seconds after 1:00 in the morning, the time and date will be 01:02:03 04/05/06. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Goa news for April 4, 2006
Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** WHEN THE GOA-ING GETS TOUGH FLINTOFF NEEDS TO GET GOING (Sporting Life) The seaside resort of Goa is a favourite destination of globe-trotting newlyweds - but for Andrew Flintoff it is the place where his honeymoon period as stand-in England captain has ended. http://www.sportinglife.com/cricket/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=cricket/06/04/03/CRICKET_England_Comment.html *** England wilting in Goa (Evening Standard) England lost half their side in quick succession to blight their chase of 295 for victory over India in steamy Goa. Defeat would put Andrew Flintoff's men 3-0 behind in the seven-match series, and they made a poor start as left-arm swing bowler Irfan Pathan went through the top order. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/articles/PA_SPOA14483281144058284A?source=PA Feedct=5 *** Heat and humidity comes into play as cricket caravan rolls into Goa (The Star Online) MARGAO, India (AP): Goa's stamina-sapping heat and humidity will play a major part in the game plan of the Indian and English teams ahead of Monday's third limited-overs international at this coastal province. http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/4/2/apworld/20060402183801sec=apworld *** Heat and humidity come into play as cricket caravan rolls into Goa (Daily Times) MARGAO: Goas stamina-sapping heat and humidity will play a major part in the game plan of the Indian and English teams ahead of Mondays third limited-overs international at this coastal province. Going into the match with a 2-0 lead in the seven-match series, India skipper Rahul Dravid said http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\04\03\story_3-4-2006_pg2_11 *** 'Bombay To Goa' to be remade (Deccan Herald) The original film had the entire country in splits and established Amitabh Bachchan as a comic actor as well. Now the classic 'Bombay To Goa' is being remade with the newest stars on comedy scene. http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/apr22006/update64839200642.asp *** Goa's batting beauty awaits batsmen (IBN live) Margao: After two low scoring matches in Delhi and Faridabad, batsmen from both teams would be looking to come to the party in Goa. http://www.ibnlive.com/cricket/cricarticle.php?id=7688section_id=5 *** Magnificent Yuvraj powers Indian victory in Goa (India Express) A scintillating hundred by the flamboyant Yuvraj Singh powered India to a 49-run victory over England in the third match of the series at the Nehru Stadium in Margao, Goa on April 3. http://www.indiaexpress.com/news/sports/cricket/20060403-4.html *** India, France hold joint naval exercises off Goa coast (Islamic Republic News Agency) India - France - Naval Exercises The second phase of the Joint Indo-French naval exercise Varuna VI began on the coast of Goa. http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-235/0604034307124729.htm *** India, France hold naval exercises off Goa coast (Hindustan Times) Adding a new chapter in bilateral ties, aircraft carriers, destroyers and submarines of India and France, supported by their air forces, on Sunday undertook began week-long joint exercises off the Goa coast to tone up inter-operability and make them ready in the event of integrated operations. http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1665033,0005.htm *** Goa ODI: Indian spinners hold key (India Daily) India would be keen to see their frontline batsmen come to party as they seek to widen the 2-0 lead and virtually sew up the seven-match series when they take on England in the third one-day international at this coastal resort city of Goa on Monday. http://www.indiadaily.com/breaking_news/65618.asp Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Goan Association (uk) - 1966 -2006
G.O.A UK - RUBY ANNIVERSARY Thanks to the efforts of Paul de Mendonca , the Legal and Admin Director.of G.O.A. UK , we now have a webiste at www.goauk.com - with details on the Ruby Anniversary events rene 00 The great end of life is not knowledge, but ACTION Thomas Fuller , 1608 -1661 000 Photographs of WORLD GOA DAY Montreal -Canada http://community.webshots.com/album/433425664WgDZuf/1 WORLD GOA DAY PICNIC -LONDON UK - 19.8.2006 www.goaday.com 00 _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] AMAZING GOA!
i am missing it too. = AMAZING GOA! Sun Apr 2 23:07:13 PDT 2006 I enjoy reading the Goa news every day, but what I miss the most is Amazing Goa. Why have you stopped this section? Would love to see it again. Thanks for the wonderful job you do. Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ Yahoo! Photos NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
RE: [Goanet] AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP - Abrilachi 3ri, 2006!
Domnic, That was a v good msg, especially this season of Lent Claude From: domnic fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP - Abrilachi 3ri, 2006! Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 12:07:26 +0300 Magnneantlean, Dev tuvem sanglelea poros vodik aikota; tuvem maglelea poros ani tuje khoxe poros vodik dita; Devak fokot tujea kallzachi goroz. (Through prayers, God hears more than you say; God answers more than you ask, gives you more than you desire, all God needs is your heart.) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s _ realestate.com.au: the biggest address in property http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] NRI meet in Dubai
Here is the full report that appeared in The Emirates Evening Post. I have carried the report as is by Daniel P. George, who is the paper's chief reporter, erred in writing Felicitation instead of Facilitation and misspelled Dourdo instead of Dourado. According to the website, Surlakar is still a member and not ex-member. However, as Dourado explained the website has not been updated. I was quoted in the paper, but I will provide a personal viewpoint of the whole exercise tommorrow. I was waiting for the evening daily to be out and check what was reported. eugene correia Goans demand better treatment Submit list of problems to team send by state govt but expect no redress By Daniel P. George Dubai -- Even as Goans in Dubai met up with a three-member delegation of the NRI Felicitation Centre appointed by the Governot of Goa to pur out their woes at a hotel last evening, they were dismayed over the step-motherly treament meted out to them by their state government. In what turned out to be classroom-like exercise, the Goans were asked to spell out their problems to the committee comprising Brigadier (Retd) Ian D'Costa, member of the centre; Advocate Herculano Dourdo, vice-chairman of the centre; and Mohandas Surlakar, ex-Member of the centre. Dourdo, who took down the points and grievances of the Dubai Goans on paper, said he would convey to the government their problems and seek speedy redress. The Goans who attended the meeting did not seem happpy at the whole exerices even after giving voice to their problems. They were irked by way their issues were taken down on paper without any details, residential address or where they hail from. It was a big farce, said one Goan who did not want to be identified. They were wondering as to how this centre would address their problems without further details and whether this was yet another shopping rip as most Indian ministers and dignitatires resort to when they visit the UAE. There have been visits before by people to the UAE and they have come winded, dined and gone back but this is the first time a delegation reprsenting the Government has come here and we will represent your case to the government for redressal he told those gathered. The range of problems presented by the Goans included land encroachments back home, corruption in goverment departments and a lack of direct flight to Goa from Dubai. According to Eugene Correia, These issues have already been discussed time and again at the Gomanth Samellan held last year. All that the Goans want is a single window to address their problems when they visit their home state on a vacation. The Dubai placed on record the cheating of job seekers by unscrupulous agents, housemaids in jails, poor and jobless Goans facing a bleak future and lack of medical assistance to the poor. Dourdo assured the Goans their problems would be address icnluding a suggestion for a ferry service between Goa and Dubai due to the rising costs of air fare. Another request from a student was to do away with NRI quota in professional colleges and resort to merit system as the fees were too expensive for the average middle class parent. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
Re: [Goanet] Re: Is the term defrocked derogatory?
Peter D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Mervyn. The dictionary definition doesn't seem to support your basic contention. While it's not a matter of pride for anyone who's been through it (the process of defrocking), it seems like a purely technical description. http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?gwp=13s=defrocked de·frock (dÄ-frÅk') tr.v., -frocked, -frock·ing, -frocks. 1. To strip of priestly privileges and functions. 2. To deprive of the right to practice a profession. 3. To deprive of an honorary position. Peter, Your question did not come out of the blue. You brought up the query AFTER Cris Vaz/Joy Braganza described someone as defrocked. The person being labelled a defrocked priest is actually an ex-priest. There is a difference. Everyone who has met the ex-priest, describes him as the perfect gentleman. Chris Vaz/Joy Braganza is perfectly aware that the ex-priest has not been defrocked. To label him defrocked when he is not, is derogatory. Mervyn3.0 The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their right names. - Chinese proverb - __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
Re: [Goanet] Pre and Post 1961 Goa
Dear Mr. Bonefacio Lopes, Thank you for your extended reply to my post on the subject. Believe me when I say that I am equally disgusted with the state of affair regarding law orderin Goa. But we are a full-fedged self-governing State of the Union with our own elected Government. It is up to us to set matters right. We cannot expect our ex-colonial masters to do this for us and hankering after pre-1961 days will not help. I admire the portuguese language and culture and enjoy the fado and corredinha as much as you seem to do, but this does not make me an apologit or Portuguese colonial rule in Goa. ---Tony Correia-Afonso. Quoting Bonefacio Lopes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Firstly Mr. Correia Afonso should refer to the english dictionary for ease of his vocablury on this article.His comment The attitude of those who still hanker for the good old times under Portuguese rule will be well understood by psychiatrists and psychologists as displaying a slave mentalitydoes not go well on the net, just like his Satyameva Jayate does proud for himself , so does one have the right to hanker to the good old times under the Port.rule. He keeps on saying Satyameva Jayate, wonder where Mr. Afonso was when the cross at fontainhas was vandalised and till date we don't know what has happened to this case must be SATYAMEVA JAYATE so also the recent incident in Borda yet again SATYAMEVA JAYATE lots of pending legal cases in the court, people die but the cases are still unresolved, clear cases that can be decided take years, rape cases, rash and negligent cases, corruption cases, murder cases, you name it and Goa has it all but we have to join hands and sing SATYAMEVA JAYATE we should not fight it out, but SATYAMEVA JAYATE If you really believe in Satyameva Jayate, come on the streets and fight out for justice as Fr. Ferrao's soul will never forgive us, fight out and assure jobs for Goans , flush out anti-social elements with the help of Judiciary , do away with criminals , start moulding the youth in order for them to carry the SATYAMEVA JAYATE flag forward, flush out corrupt practices in Unemployment exchange, find out how many names in Employment exchange are registered till date and how many have secured jobs on merit or influence, IF you are so much convinced of SATYAMEVA JAYATE how many rape, murder ,cases are pending and how many are solved, if SATYAMEVA JAYATE is not followed in Fr. Ferrao's case then what next?? How ever much Mr. Afonso gets critical on the Pre and Post 1961 Goa , apart from ventilating his disgust and anger be it with words or otherwise he cannot change it but have to accept it as the Goans love the culture , the language, the Portuguese people the progremmes , the entertainment be it a fado or a corredinho where every school and college loves to perform a corredinho or a vira or a marcha, as it has come to stay forever in the hearts of every Goan. Better or worse Mr. Afonso should be happy with his SATYAMEVA JAYATEno quarrel with him on this, while I am happy with the Portuguese rule Pre-1961, happy being in GOA being called a Goenkar and happy being called an Indian too,but i will not be a hypocrite, as i till date admire the Portuguese rule in Goa and this portuguese influence has caught up with many many Goans , the admiration towards the portuguese will be till i die. Bonefacio Lopes Loutulim _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s This message was sent using NWebmail, BSNL's Webmail Program _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
Re: [Goanet] Name-calling on Goanet...
Frederick, Unfortunately, I am not a silent netter. But allow me to reiterate what I have said before. Please enforce Goanet rules. This is a moderated list. Please name the people who resort to repeated name-calling and personal abuse, and kick them out after an appropriate number of private and public warnings. These people don't deserve access to a public forum. Cheers, Santosh --- Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's so much name-calling on Goanet these days, that one sometimes simply feels embarassed to be part of it. One the one hand, we have a bunch of critics who shout censored whenever a post (relevant or otherwise, even if clearly violative of the rules) is rejected. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
Re: [Goanet] Name-calling on Goanet...
--- Frederick Noronha wrote: There's so much name-calling on Goanet these days, that one sometimes simply feels embarassed to be part of it. Mario opines: Fred, I assume you are referring to epithets. There is more than mere name-calling going on. There are some who are spreading baseless personal calumnies when they cannot rebutt an opposing opinion point-by-point with specific facts and opinions of their own. I think the Goanet moderators should do their best to aggressively nip such personal and abusive attacks in the bud and send them back to the poster for re-consideration. There's only a small handfull of posters you need to watch, INCLUDING ME - though my excuse is that I never initiate such posts, but reserve the right to respond in kind. What I object to is when you allow a scurrilous post on to Goanet, then reject a response to that post. In future, in an attempt to assist the moderators in what is already a daunting job, I will refrain from responding, and will bring any abusive posts that I see to the attention of a moderator so that the errant poster can be warned. To be fair, other Goanetters should keep an eye on my posts and do the same. The deal is that the moderators will take such corrective action. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] All the way from Goa Velha - 'Santa Pursao' of all 30 Saints brought to you live..
As promissed, here it is 'procession of all 30 saints' which was taken on 3rd April 2006, from 6pm onwards. Soglea Santa-Bhoktani tumcher sogleamcher axirvad galum. 'May all the 30 saints bless you all' Pl forward this to your friends too partucularly from Goa Velha, they will love it. for the First 2 Statues/saints http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/sets/72057594097763474/ for last 28 saints/Statues http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk/sets/1747852/ Did you know ? One time, there were in all 60 life size saints and left with just 30. Newest saint was also added about 12 years ago. If you are on broadband, enjoy it with 'slide show' [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Re: Goan makes the mark
Gilbert Please do not keep us waiting. Is Mark closely related to you or not? Your answer should be quite easy for you to transmit. Cornel - Original Message - From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: Re: Goan makes the mark Cornel, In response to my question if Mark was his son-in-law, Glibert wrote Hi George and Santosh, Thank you and I will pass on your good wishes and congratulations to our Supurlo Salgaumcar. Gilbert, see Cornel's query below. Regards, George --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George, Surely Mark can't be Gilbert's son-in -law. Hopefully, Gilbert in the know, will let us know about any family connection. Cornel - Original Message - From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gilbert, is Mark your son-in-law? If he is, please convey Congratulations on his important appointment. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] POLICE MATTERS
- Forwarded message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:05:24 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Forward of moderated message To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote -- Cop shoots self in city school -- The PI said as per the suicide notes he seemed to be a lonely and disturbed man. I really wonder what the police pay-packet is like. Perhaps he was lonely, but more likely I guess, he was owing someone some favours which he could not deliver. Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - VIC - Australia. It is not always money. Most of the lower rung cops are put on bandobust duty whenever a VIP comes to Goa or there is a festival or rioting. The police who cannot bhandh go bust. It is no joke standing in the sun for 5 to 7 hours without food or wateror a kind word at the end of the day. It is true that the cops do not deliver on crime detection. It is also true that their morale is so low that they just do not care. The policeman's duty needs to be defined in a manual. The CMs and Dy.CMs roaming about with 10 policemen in tow do nothing to increase the force. 10 police in 3 shifts means that 30 policemen are overworked . No one takes over their duties in the respective police stations. I know policemen working 14 hours a day 7 days a week without leave or relaxation. there needs to be some games room and a place to have a good shower at every police station. Some days the police stations do not even have enough water to wash the plates during summer. Viva Goa. Miguel _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
Re: [Goanet] Goa's appalling road sense - 2
Gabriel I like your suggestion re the A to Z etc. However, I really would like to see rigorous corruption free driving tests in Goa. Cornel - Original Message - From: Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa's appalling road sense - 2 As I said before, could statistics be published on a daily basis in every newspaper in the Editorial page? Following model for illustration: Traffic deaths: Since Jan this year: This time last year: This will hopefully ensure that no one thinks himself/herself invincible and drive more carefully. Another interesting idea is a sort of AtoZ of safe driving practices published weekly on local newspapers. Such a series of articles are currently being published on Friday issues of Melbourne's Herald Sun newspapers entitled Safe with Skaife, which deals with everything from how to tackle a sharp turn without blocking traffic to checking tyres. Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - VIC - Australia. --- Valmiki Faleiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: == ALL 'n' SUNDRY By Valmiki Faleiro == Goa's appalling road sense - 2 Overtaking is not bad. Bad overtaking is. On yahoo!7 Avatars: Dress up like your Dancing with the Stars favourites! http://au.avatars.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Re: Goan makes the mark
Cornel, In response to my question if Mark was his son-in-law, Glibert wrote Hi George and Santosh, Thank you and I will pass on your good wishes and congratulations to our Supurlo Salgaumcar. Gilbert, see Cornel's query below. Regards, George --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George, Surely Mark can't be Gilbert's son-in -law. Hopefully, Gilbert in the know, will let us know about any family connection. Cornel - Original Message - From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gilbert, is Mark your son-in-law? If he is, please convey Congratulations on his important appointment. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Indian Expat Football League
SIOLIM UNITED , ST MARYS SHINE ON FIRST DAY UAE INDIAN EXPAT FOOTBALL LEAGUE Siolim United and St Marys boys out played their opponents in the opening round of the First UAE Indian Expat Football League played at the Dubai Club for special sports. Organized by Gulf International Promotions the sixteen-team league got off to a promising start with all sixteen teams playing some exciting soccer. The League is sponsored by Gulf Eternit Industries and cosponsored by Future Pipe Industries, Nike, Sun Sand, Pehla, Al Awael, Tiffanys, Lipton, Masafi, Al Rawabi, In the opening game Siolim United led by Shriram Vernekar shocked a strong SFX Old Goa by two goals to nil. John Fernandes scored a classic opening goal after receiving a perfect pass from Gerald Fernandes. SFX Old Goa led by Peter Fernandes tried to equalize but the Siolim defence marshaled by Abdulla Sheikh and Romald stood their ground. Henry and Augustin of Old Goa did try but their shots were off target. John Sequeira of Siolim played a good game and consolidated the lead with a well-taken goal in the dying minutes for Siolim to emerge deserving 2-0 winners. Copy Corner Sporting led by P K Rasheed pulled out all stops to defeat a determined Desert Cubs by 2-0. K Basheer played an excellent game for the Copy Corner lads and scored the opening goal in the 15 minute. Both the teams had equal number of exchanges and changed ends with the score at 1-0 in favour of Copy Corner. The second half began on a brisk note and M Subair took advantage of a defensive lapse to increase the lead for Copy Corner. Desert cubs led by Roger Kottor did their best to get back into the game but failed to penetrate the Sporting defence. Jackson Thomas, Rajiv Jose and Roger Kottor played well for the Desert Cubs while A Manoj, K Basheer and Subair did well for their team. St Marys boys led by Goalkeeper Denzil Austin were in fine form and defeated an experienced St Anthony led by Sandy Fernandes by three goals to nil. Joshua Desa, William Goes and Arthur Fernandes were the scorers for the St Marys team . Sandy Fernandes, Clive Rodrigues and Oswald Fernandes were prominent for the St Anthony team but were unable to prevent the St Marys boys from securing the well-deserved victory. Phoenix Loutolim led by Renato emerged 2-0 victors over Almoe. Captain Renato was the hero for the Loutolim team scoring both goals. Baptist, Lawrie and Amit also played well for the Loutolim team while Sheldon Buthelo, Rejo Disro, and Ashraf did their best for the Almoe team. In a tense game Zyco Dubai locked hors with Varca F C with both teams finishing with equal honours. The game ended 1-1 with Rojath scoring for the Zyco team and Captain Franky Baretto equalizing for the Varca lads. Biju of Zyco had the distinction of being the first player to be given his marching orders by referee Brett Plumridge after elbowing an opponent. Zyco also had the honours of the first Yellow card when Abubaker was cautioned for rough play. Shane Thomas, Clifford DCosta and Frankie Baretto had an outstanding game for the Varca team while Rajath, Babu Job and AbduNasar played well for the Zyco team. Title contenders Vaxim Divar were made to work hard and managed to scrape a 2-1 win over a determined Zuari team led by Savio Cardozo. The Zuari lads played fast soccer and shocked the Divar lads when Avinash Pinheiro scored a gem of a goal to help Zuari take a well deserved lead. The teams changed ends with the score line 1-0. On resumption Randell Pereira of Divar took advantage of a defencive error and equalized. Opportunist Orlando Viega scored in the dying minutes to snatch victory. Julius Noronha, Savio Cardozo and Avinash were in top form for the Zuari Lads while Russell Rodrigues, Orlando Viegas and Randell Pereira did their bit for the Divar lads. Cansaulim Football Club led by Benit Dsouza ran out 4-2 winners over Desert Cubs. Striker Brian Almeida had a good outing scoring two goals while Benit DSouza and Soccorro Miranda completed the tally for the Cansaulim team. Jose Menezes and Jackson Thomas reduced the margin for the Desert Cubs team. A strong and experienced Emirates Flight Catering team showed no mercy on new entrants Dragon All Starz. The Catering team scored three times through Inacio Fernandes, Rexon Quadros and Thomas Dias to emerge well deserving winners. Ganesh Thampi, Melvin Chandy Mohammed Fazdy and Sirajuddin gave a good account of themselves for the Dragon All Starz. Keegan DCosta and Wilton Goes scored two quick goals to give St Marys a second win for the night defeating a helpless SFX Old Goa. The Old Goa team were not themselves and went down to youthful St Marys team. Henry, Peter Fernandes and Caitano did their best for the Old Goa team but it was not their day. St Marys lead the standings with six points from two games while Siolim United second in the standings also won their second game of the night
[Goanet] Re: Re: How much emigration of the well to do took place fromGoa?
Hi Cornel, As usual, you raise interesting and important issues. It's crucial for the Goan community to understand its past and its peculiarities, if it wishes to go ahead in the 21st century, rather than always live looking over its shoulder ... Maybe I oversimplified things by suggesting the affluent in Goa didn't migrate in the past. It might be sustainable to argue that the pressure to migrate was more on the middle-classes, the less-affluent and those hit adverselly by a highly stratified caste-dominated society. It was after all a society which allowed for little growth and upward mobility (both because of the nature of the over-romanticised society, and also because of the stagnant phase of the Portuguese colonial administration by the time the 19th and 20th century had dawned on us. (They Portuguese day-in-the-sun was in the 'sixteenth and 'seventeenth centuries, long before that of the British, French, Dutch, Danes ... and more or less contemporaneous with that of the Spanish. Historians, feel free to correct my understanding.) Then, there were also other peculiarities of migration. For instance, talk to almost anyone in Mumbai or Bangalore or East Africa, and you'll notice that the bulk of Catholic migration out of Goa took place from Bardez. Why Bardez? Diverse theories have been propounded over this, including the relationship between the elites of different regions with the Portuguese. (After the Pinto's Revolt, things might have gone awry, in one sense, for Bardez.) But probably a role was played by the presence of early-in-the-day English-language schools like St Joseph's at Arpora (was it in the French medium earlier?) and Mater Dei Saligao (now a shadow of its past days, but making some headway when parents search despearately for English-medium schools... even senior writers like Victor Rangel-Ribeiro proudly state their links with this school). At the risk of being called too superficial in my analysis, one could also say that there were other factors linked to migration in Goa. Two generations back, ancestors you talk to recall the reality of epidemic and hunger in the region (howsoever much the Lusostagic among us might try to romanticise the past). When I visited the home of my journalist colleague Armenia Fernandes in Socorro years ago, I was intrigued by the photo of three boys -- if one recalls right -- in small coffins, at what was a mass funeral. Apparently, they were family members who died all together of the plague that hit Goa (Bardez?) around 1918, and which one finds references to when there's talk of the (probably overhyped) birdflu epidemic these days. Persons whom I spoke to, inspite of being small/middle land-holders themselves, recall times of poverty, when they had to eat sparrows to survive. Whether this is exaggeration or linked to some actual event around the early20th century, I cannot say. There do seem to have been times, maybe two generations ago, when a whole lot of the middle-peasantry in Catholic Goa got impoverished for reasons I can't quite comprehend fully. Obviously, the elite also migrated to gain access to wider opportunity. We had our Dr Gama Pintos in opthalmology in 20th century Portugual, Europe-educated Francis Luis Gomes, and when I got a scholarship to West Berlin in 1990, I was pleasantly surprised to learn that Goans had been studying in that then-global centre of science in the 1920s! But, the pressures was more on the sub-alterns among us to feel the need to migrate. In turn, where we worked and grew up also defined our attitudes towards colonialism, 1961, out-migration, etc, etc. That's why so many East Africander Goans (or Bombay Goans) tend to be less nostalgic about the past, and are more concerned about getting on with life. In contrast, those who saw the Goa they knew change before their very eyes (and not gain much from the process, probably, or even be adversely affected) don't take to the twists of history too kindly. Complex issue this... FN -- -- Frederick 'FN' Noronha | Yahoomessenger: fredericknoronha http://fn.goa-india.org | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Independent Journalist | +91(832)2409490 Cell 9822122436 -- Photographs from Goa: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/popular-views/ _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP - Abrilachi 4ti, 2006!
Thodde pavtti Dev adar divnk uxir korta amchea bavarthachi porikxea ghevnk ani amchea magnneanchem boll follovnk. (God sometimes delays His help to test our faith and energize our prayers. Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Goan Carnival in Melbourne - Melbourne Lord Mayor abdicates his throne for Goan King Momo
Melbourne, February 25: It was loads of fun when the Goans in Melbourne got together for the great Carnival-a-la-Goa. The first Goan Carnival Dinner Dance night aptly named the 'Red and Black Nite' was celebrated today at the Kingston City Hall with much fanfare. Intense prudence went into making the event an authentic Goan Carnival and a grand success. Organized by 'Melgoans', a Goan events promotion company, it was a night memories of which will reminisce in the minds of all those present. The highlight of the evening was the traditional Goan 'King Momo' played by Johnny Fernandes, which sent the gathered diners into a realm of nostalgia and the younger generation into discerning, of the stories galore of the Goa of their parents. As the arrival of King Momo was anticipated, the organizers requested all patrons to join in to welcome His Highness. A huge twin circle of eager and anxious patrons marched on to the floor overwhelmed in curiosity and excitement. And then His Highness descended on the floor - to please and bless his subjects, he went around meeting them on this auspicious' and festive occasion. A special annoucement was made (in fun) that in view of his Highness having decided to arrive in Melbourne and attend the carnival in person, Lord Mayor Mr. John So had, for one day 'abdicated' his throne. Such was the significance of the occasion - and hence elation amongst the Melbourne Goans! King Momo's edict of fun was voice over by Carolyne D'Sa. The Cultural troupe led by Lidia Martins cut the cake of the day. Beginning with a presentation of the traditional 'Marcha de Fontainhas', their next presentation, Goan Dekhni was staged after intense public demand. The crowd was rapt, and the troupe was called back for a clap and a bow after each of their presentations. This event was a showcase, an opportunity for Goans to show off their culture to the mainstream Australians, besides having a great time dancing away their blues to the dynamic tunes of the band, 'AFTER DARK'. Dinner was catered by 'Silver Platter', with an unbelievable and versatile spread catering to the guests with different palates. Notable among items on the menu was the good old Goan Sorportel and Xacuti that made many a mouth water, and many a mind drift back to the days back in Goa. The buffet, laid out in a special room, had an appetizing ambience as described by Salus Correa, one of the organising members. The organising group was overwhelmed with the crowd and special guest, Honourable Member for Kilsyth, Dympna Beard. Few guests had even flown all the way from Adelaide just to have a good time in the happy company of their Goan friends in Melbourne. Some new Goans in town came out of the wood works and joined in the festivities, noted Salus. Later the dance floor was packed with almost every guest, dancing to the tunes by the band, especially with the nostalgic tunes of Goan Konkani music. In his small address, Mr Oscar Lobo, one of the organisers, stated that while it is important to maintain our culture it is equally important to blend with the mainstream Australians. Mr. Lobo stated that, it is not enough to say that Melbourne is a multicultural society, something has to be done to take the steps to blend ourselves with our fellow Australians and show our love and loyalty to Australia. We need to cement our bridges all the time. Due credit goes to the organisers for ensuring a fun-filled yet traditional and authentic Goan Carnival right here in Melbourne, with all guests leaving saturated with traditional Goan merriment. Mr. Lobo informed Bharat Times that Melgoans would now be preparing for their next major event - celebration of the Annual next major event - celebration of the Annual 'World Goa Day' on 30th September 2006, at the same venue. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Name-calling on Goanet...
There's so much name-calling on Goanet these days, that one sometimes simply feels embarassed to be part of it. One the one hand, we have a bunch of critics who shout censored whenever a post (relevant or otherwise, even if clearly violative of the rules) is rejected. On the other hand, the active nature of the list and its wider readership (specially compared to other lists) tends to make everyone want to get on his (and, less often, her) soapbox here. But is there any point is making an argument by insulting someone else? Aren't we just showing the lack of logic on our side, by trading angry names, irritating arguments of meant-to-provoke sentences targetted at one or the other. When I was still in school, I came across an essay which, if one recalls right, was titled 'Ten Ways To Top An Insult'. One of the last ways is: simply ignore it. As they say, don't argue with an idiot; he simply drags you down to his level... and then beats you with experience! This post is not aimed at anyone in particular. But the name-calling on the list is getting too much, for sure. I do wish some of the silent netters would let us have their views on this (even if you don't agree with my argument above). The irony is that when the insulting starts, the insultee (if one could use the word) then opts to hit back, claiming the right to reply. This sparks off an almost never-ending chain of insults and angry words. The loss is of logic and insight. And quality of postings. Finally, people don't take either the poster or Goanet seriously enough. Guys, you have got a great medium going. Let's work to improve it, to make it a more useful place to Goa and her diaspora. The Goan ego is legendary. Let's keep it aside for a moment and try to achieve something positive with the wonderful world of cybercommunications. --FN -- -- Frederick 'FN' Noronha | Yahoomessenger: fredericknoronha http://fn.goa-india.org | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Independent Journalist | +91(832)2409490 Cell 9822122436 -- Over 1000 copyleft free-to-share photos from Goa: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
Re: [Goanet] Goa's appalling road sense - 1
Besides this the driver has to have good road manners. In Saudi/Gulf the driver will stop the vehicle and let the pedestrian cross the road. One cannot see the same in India, and in Goa if you are slow they pass rude comments as Bhattant pasoiek eilam baie? (have u come for a walk).. Rosto tujea paicho re? ( This road belongs to your father?)..Moronk utla re..etc Edward Verdes From: Valmiki Faleiro Goa's appalling road sense - 1 Lack of good driving skills is one part of Goa's problem. The other is our appalling road sense. How many licenced drivers will *halt and check* both sides before entering a main road? How many will avoid *reversing into* a main road? _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] LET THE MARINE LINES RAPE CASE BE A PRECEDENT
The former Mumbai Marine Lines police constable Sunil More's conviction within a year of his raping a young girl goes to show that the Indian Judicial system can deliver. Though Judge K.U. Chandiwal was not presiding over a fast track court, he ensured that the trial was meticulously and speedily completed in less than six months. Trials in serious crimes like rape, dacoity and murder should be expedited like the Sunil More case so that the ends of justice are speedily met. It is always advantageous to have trials expedited while evidence is fresh. The Maharashtra Government had paid Rs three lakhs by way of compensation to the 17 year old victim raped by Sunil More.Will the 12 year sentence imposed on the convicted constable be a deterrent to the perpetrators of such crimes? Will it be enough to restore the public faith in the law enforcement authority whose soldier Sunil More let the police and public down by committing rape while in uniform and within the precincts of a police outpost. Aires Rodrigues Mumbai ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
Re: [Goanet] Re: Goa's high middle class migratrions (Late 19th-Early20th century)
Tetonio Thanks again. You are absolutely right on the point you make below. I had overlooked those well- to-do folks who left Goa for mainland India because of political persecution. Yes, any information (as framed by Tetonio) from Tony Correia-Afonso on the post 1890 election 'massacre' of 20 in the Margao Church Square would be particularly welcome. Cornel - Original Message - From: Teotonio R. de Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goanet goanet@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: [Goanet] Re: Goa's high middle class migratrions (Late 19th-Early20th century) Responding further to Cornel's question on this matter I must say that several Goan families of «landed aristocracy» migrated to British India to seek refuge against political persecutions in Goa during the «liberal-constitutional» elections and in Bardez also due to alleged support of the Viscount of Bardez, Inácio de Carvalho, to the rebel Ranes. One major exodus of some prominent Salcete families took place soon after the Sept. 1890 elections in Margão, when over 20 were shot dead by the Portuguese police on the Church square. The Correia-Afonso family seems to have moved out on that occasion. Tony Correia-Afonso could confirm. Teotonio http://campussocial.ulusofona.pt/index_ingles.htm _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Air-India Express to start Intl Flights to Manglore
Air India Express Calls Tender for International Flight Handling in Mangalore Civil Aviation Grants Immigration and Customs Facility to Mangalore Airport Mangalore, April 3: A few weeks ago when Air India Express did their ground feasibility study of International flights landing at Mangalore airport, not many people believed this fact. Aftell, the cry for an international airport had fallen on deaf ears over the last so many years. But there were a few persistent ones who did not lose their hopes. They did not give up their struggle and spared no time and effort to put constant pressure to achieve this goal. Read full text at: http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp1.asp?n_id=20049n_tit=Mangalore%3A+ Civil+Aviation+Grants+Immigration+and+Customs+Facility+to+Mangalore+Airport It is not very far off when the dream of every Mangalorean of landing direct at their home territory is going to come true. The expected date mentioned earlier - May 7 - will soon be a Red Letter Day if Air India Express keeps up to its promise. Air India express has announced the last date for filing of tenders for flight handling services at Mangalore airport as April 17, 2006. The company to bag the tender will have sufficient lead time to get itself in place to handle the job well on time. It is noteworthy to mention that the Civil aviation has also granted permission for setting up Immigration and Customs at Mangalore Airport. This has been confirmed by a Mangalore Airport official while speaking to Daijiworld.com. Earlier it was said that the Union Civil Aviation Ministry, which is examining the possibility of introducing a network of chartered flights in the country, is likely to feature Mangalore on the network. According to sources in the Airports Authority of India here, Mangalore airport will have enough facilities for chartered flights to land. The airport will have night landing facilities after expansion. This is expected to boost the traffic of national and international chartered flights in Mangalore and the west coast. At present, only Mumbai, Ahemdabad, Baroda, Goa and Kochi on the west coast get chartered flights. But if Mangalore becomes a chartered flights destination, then the entire west coast will get connected and tourism will get a boost, he said. Comment: Will this be a setback for Goa's proposed Mopa Airport? Edward Verdes _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Fred's Bluff: THE BUZZARD, BAT AND BUMBLEBEE
- Forwarded message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:02:34 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Forward of moderated message To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fred's Bluff drew some interesting responses from both Gabriel and Fred. In 1961 we were free, whether by liberation or by conquest. In reality, many of us are as free as the buzzard, the bat and the bumblebee in Goa. In the absence of take-off space of our habit.we are grounded. THE BUZZARD, BAT AND BUMBLEBEE BUZZARD: If you put a buzzard in a pen that is 6 feet by 8 feet and is entirely open at the top, the bird, in spite of its ability to fly, will be an absolute prisoner. The reason is that a buzzard always begins a flight from the ground with a run of 10 to 12 feet. Without space to run, as is its habit, it will not even attempt to fly, but will remain a prisoner for life in a small jail with no top. BAT: The ordinary bat that flies around at night, a remarkably nimble creature in the air, cannot take off from a level place. If it is placed on the floor or flat ground, all it can do is shuffle about helplessly and, no doubt, painfully, until it reaches some slight elevation from which it can throw itself into the air. Then, at once, it takes off like a flash. BUMBLEBEE: A bumblebee, if dropped into an open tumbler, will be there until it dies, unless it is taken out. It never sees the means of escape at the top, but persists in trying to find some way out through the sides near the bottom. It will seek a way where none exists, until it completely destroys itself. PEOPLE In many ways, we are like the buzzard, the bat and the bumblebee. We struggle about with all our problems and frustrations, never realizing that all we have to do is LOOK UP ! Viva Goa. Miguel _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
Re: [Goanet] COUNTDOWN FOR ODI - FATORDA BEGINS
Fake passes mar Goa ODI http://web.mid-day.com/sports/international/2006/april/134454.htm Margao: The Goa police have busted a fake complementary passes scam for the third India-England one-dayer today. In 2001, the Goa Cricket Association came under scanner after a fake ticket scam was discovered, leading to the arrest of then president Dayanand Narvekar. The GCA tired its best to prevent a repeat. But at the South Gate of Nehru Stadium this morning, police found several fans holding fake complementary passes. They were all detained for questioning. From: godfrey gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] This time the tickets sale was orderly, the designated Syndicate Bank did the honours for ticket sale in the order of Rs.400/- 750/- 1000/- and 2000/- Sale of tickets was brisk. There were volunteer passes distributed by M/s United Breweries of Kingfisher most of the Sports clubs received their quota of tickets for distribution. There were T shirts blue with the Indian logo being sold for Rs.100/- For the Minister for Health Government of Goa Mr Narvekar this ODI is of great importance. The cast of the organising Committee consists of mostly the same that was unsuccessfully accused by the previous BJP led Mr Manohar Parrikar Government in the inconclusively investigated ticket gate scam involving Mr Narvekar and others. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP - Abrilachi 3ri, 2006!
Magnneantlean, Dev tuvem sanglelea poros vodik aikota; tuvem maglelea poros ani tuje khoxe poros vodik dita; Devak fokot tujea kallzachi goroz. (Through prayers, God hears more than you say; God answers more than you ask, gives you more than you desire, all God needs is your heart.) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
