RE: [Goanet] Reminder on morality and social conscience
> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 11:29:34 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The difference in my opinion is one of checks and > balances. For example, Christians have a rock-solid > "Golden Rule" > --- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: > > The Golden Rule or the ethic of reciprocity is > found in the scriptures of nearly every religion. > It is often regarded as the most concise and general > principle of ethics. It is a condensation in one > principle of all longer lists of ordinances such as > the Decalogue. > http://origin.org/ucs/ws/theme015.cfm > Mario observes: > Kevin, you are absolutely right. What you missed, however, in my comment above, was that I was using Christians as AN EXAMPLE. Where did I suggest that other religions did not have perfectly adequate Golden Rules? > Kevin writes: > > Actually, only six of the ten commandments dea1 with > an individual's moral conduct, which comes as a > surprise to most Christians. Essentially, the > first four commandments say: > Mario responds: > By golly, I was wondering when one of the intrepid atheists and/or agnostics would pick up on this :-)) > The Holy Joe's did not either :-)) > Kevin, my man, there is hope for you after all. This shows your familiarity with the Ten Commandments, which I know you used as the basis in formulating your very own, "unorganized atheist" version of the Seven, ...er, Six Suggestions :-)) > _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Past BBC programmes on Goa
--- Nasci Caldeira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> When there was this invasion by the Indian armed
> forces, into Goa, ('de jure' Goa was the 'Overseas
> Province of Portugal' even before the 'Union of
> India' the present entity, was born on the 15th
> August 1947.)the Potuguese Govt, abandoned Goa and
> fled. The act of surender was not signed. So India
> was in 'de facto' control and in government of Goa.
> Only a few years after, things stabilised; the
> Govts of India and Portugal started talking again,
> and then after many 'talks' an agreement was
> reached and a 'de jure' transfer of Goa was
> performed. It was a good ten years I think. Does
> the date matter? It's a 'fait accompli'.
>
Mario observes:
>
Nasci, thanks for clearing this all up, especially the
'de facto' and 'fait accompli' part, which is what I
have been imploring the Portophiles/Lusophiles among
us to recognize for months now.
>
BTW, don't you just love the Machiavellian concept of
the 'Overseas Province of Portugal'? Problem solved.
No such thing as a colony. Voila, the nationalists
become insurgents and the liberators become the
"invaders". I'll bet the other European colonialists
wish they had thought of this idea :-))
>
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RE: [Goanet] Dev Borem Korum, Adieu, Adios.
--- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: > > Next you will probably be telling us that > "Good-Morning" and "Good-night" are some derivative > of "May GOD give you a pleasant morning/night" and > "Hullo" is related to an angelic cranial adornment > :-)) > Mario responds: > Dear Kevin, Wrong AGAIN, my friend. That is not what I am telling you next :-)) You need to be careful when anticipating what I am likely to say next :-)) > The greeting "Good-morning" stands for "Have a good morning", and "Good-night" stands for "Have a good night". > Of course, the word "Good" is synonymous with God, who is ultimately the one who decides whether most of us have a good morning or night - except for you atheists and agnostics of course, because for you "Good" is whatever you say it is :-)) > _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Tomorrow is 666
To those who are superstitious and belive in the End-Times, the number 666 is ominous. Tomorrow is that date on the calendar. Kind Regards, GL _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Woman priest says Mass
Hi Marlon, Can you provide me a copy of my post where I an "denying that Hindu temples were destroyed during Portuguese rule in Goa"? Thanks in anticipation. Kind Regards, GL -- From: Marlon Menezes Gilbert for his part believes that the Catholic Church can do no wrong to the point of denying that Hindu temples were destroyed during Portuguese rule in Goa. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Past BBC programmes on Goa
Marlon said that USA back Portugual during the Indian army's march into Goa. USA played a double role. In his memoirs, GK Galbraith has explained it all. Nehru had Kennedy's backing. However, Portuguese call on US to help them as NATO ally fell on deaf ears. Subsequent crying by Portugal was ignored by Washington. As far as I know Portugal has not offically recognized Goa's liberation. Portugal only restored diplomatic relations which were cut off after 1961. Eugene __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Start a World Cup sweepstake for Goan charity?
There are 32 teams, If George Pinto is willing we should start a sweepstake, £10 or equivalent each. All teams go into a hat and each one is pulled out and given to a pre-determined list. The total collected would be £320. The person who gets the winning team get £100 the balance £220 to Goa Sudharop. If there are more people willing to come in on this then we do the same exercise all over again? How about it, let's enjoy ourselves and at the same time raise money for a worthy Goan cause? If this is acceptable put me down as the first entrant and the first team drawn will be against my name and we continue the process. -- DIE DULCI FREURE, DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] RE: An angry man, unleashed
Mario, I'm sorry my intellectual superiority and physical presence bother you. Perhaps you should seek consolation elsewhere. FR . Mario complains: I have no idea what an "un-goan" thing is, but just to relieve "Francis" and his complex personality of his intellectual superiority, I really didn'twant to know Mario asks: Are you threatening me, now ? .. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Goa importing poverty/response to Mario
Dear Mervyn, I do not create disparities, I just report on them. To liken situations and drawn analogies to Nazi Germany is simplistic. Elisabeth - > Elisabeth, > While you have some great points in the above, I > find > it troubling that you feel any immigrant has > "cultural > poverty." That sounds positively Hitlerish. > > > If we don't address these issues now, what we will > > have is a sort of social apartheid. Two societies > > living in parallel worlds. And Goa is not immune > to > > becoming just another Soweto. > > There will always be parallel societies in any > community. In Toronto for example where a child has > to > attend the school nearest his/her residence, some > kids > arrive at school hungry and have nothing to eat the > entire day. Other kids in the same class are grossly > obese. > > Lastly, Soweto did not evolve into a "black > township." > It was created just to keep black Africans from > living/mixing with others. > > Mervyn3.0 > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _ > Do not post admin requests to the list. > Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Goa-Mumbai bus accident
Just heard from Goa that Chinchinim-Mumbai bus met with an accident this morning. No reports in the news, hever ustand that bus caught fire and many are injured. Does anyone know if there are any casualties? Edward Verdes Chinchinim/Mumbai/Jeddah _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Goan Taliban?
http://sachingoa.blogspot.com/ Sunday, June 04, 2006 Da Vinci controversy Navhind Times Dt. 21st May Now that our secular state has achieved the dubious distinction of being the first state in the world attempting to ban The Da Vinci Code (film, not the book), on the grounds that it is 'blasphemous', I would be interested to know if those who want it banned have even read the book since there is no question of seeing the film. But perhaps that is beside the point; this is India where logic and reason are illusory. After all, we were the first country to ban Salman Rushdie's 'Satanic Verses', we also banned the musical 'Jesus Christ Superstar', banned Oscar-winner Martin Scorsese's 'The Last Temptation of Christ'. Why? Because they 'hurt the sentiments of certain sections of society'. Of course we are a secular country, and going by the developments of the last couple of days, our secularism is only growing stronger. So does the ban reflect a somewhat immature and overtly touchy Christian community in India? Right now, not many alternative explanations are forthcoming. The Da Vinci Code offers a point of view which can certainly be opposed, but not banned. Coming to the book, it was published three years ago, sold well in India in hardcover and paperback (and even better in pirated prints), but all of a sudden some have found the book 'blasphemous', 'a pack of lies' and otherwise reprehensible. Whether these worthies were in deep slumber during the last three years, when the book sold 60 million copies and outsold practically every other book in Christendom, is a matter for conjecture. Incidentally no country, Christian or otherwise, has banned the film at the point of writing this. Lebanon banned the book last year; Goa is almost on a par with it by being the first state to ask for a ban on the film. Since Lebanon is not exactly a poster-nation for democracy and free speech, this meeting-of-true-minds is probably not something we should be proud of. The Taliban would approve, though. As a general democratic principle, if you don't like to hear, see or read somebody else's opinion, then by all means don't go to the theatre and refuse to buy the book. If sufficiently outraged, you may even - since Article 19 applies equally to all - even condemn the author by bell, book and candle, and call for a boycott. But knee-jerk demands for bans and proscriptions - like the Shiv Sena's passion for ransacking libraries and the Uttar Pradesh minister's offer of Rs.51 crores for the head of a Danish cartoonist - are signs of a growing intolerance which should be cause for deep concern. One likes to think that the Christian community is less rabid, but one would be mistaken. Joining the Coalition of the Willing to lynch is Nicholas Almeida, a former corporator of Mumbai who has offered Rs.11 lakhs to anyone who brings him Dan Brown, 'dead or alive'. Later live on television, he increased the bounty to Rs.22 lakhs. "God may forgive Dan Brown but Almeida will not," he was quoted as saying. So much for learning from the life of Jesus. Dan Brown is a lucky man. In another day and age, he would have been roasted alive for lesser sins. And if Nicolas Almeida is a sign of things to come, the auto da fe - long forgotten in Goa - could well see a revival. Now consider this: the Vatican has asked Christians to boycott the film. Fair enough. Admirably, as befits a modern and progressive church, it did not call for an outright ban. But in India, the film will be screened before the Catholic Churches' Association of India (CCAI), who will then decide its fate. The Censor Board (Central Board of Film Certification), a professional body meant for the purpose, has already passed the film, but now we have a new set of ecclesiastical censors - a new Congregation of the Index - who (along with the I&B Minister) will lay down the Tridentine law. If the film is banned, should the book be proscribed too? And likewise, other blasphemous works like Holy Blood, Holy Grail and various Da Vinci clones that are circulating in the market? Where will it all end? Surely the Government is aware that VCDs and DVDs of the film will be available within no time and, fuelled by the ban, pirated versions will flood the market. All that the ban will achieve is the loss of large amounts of money to the exchequer, in the form of entertainment tax which would have been earned had the film been shown in theatres. But then, secularism - not to mention vote bank politics - outweighs all other consideration. Just for the record, the book is written by a Christian, almost the entire cast and crew of the film is Christian and it was shot in Paris and Westminster Abbey (to which the Church didn't object). Why, then, is such a hue and cry being made in India? Is there something special about the Christian community and leadership in our country that we need to be enlightened about? Al
[Goanet] Re: Journalism in Portuguese India 1821-1961
Dear Jorge, my statement was mostly directed at the 20th century freedom struggle, and I wanted to point out that the current favouring an independent Goa was small and insignificant (though some of its member very influential), when compared to the mainstream activists favouring integration within India. Now, in regard to the "Conjuracao dos Pintos", I agree with you: it could potentially be seen as a first freedom movement/action seeking to establish a modern independent Goan republic. Yet, I believe further study should be made, and you, and other historians, could and should do so much better than me. But the question you raise is interesting in context of my previous comments, for the following reasons. For too long, the debate about the "Conjuracao dos Pintos" (Or Pinto Revolt) has been understood under a biased political light, namely, as a revolt against the oppressive colonial power and an " Indian nationalist freedom struggle" (!). This appropriation is ridiculous and mirrors the uses and abuses political powers and mainstream political ideologies and academic currents have made of Goan and Indian history. For the Pinto's, as well as for many of the Indian freedom fighters up to the 20th century, there was no concrete and common view about an "independent Republic of India". Few, like you do, rightly point out to this local character of the revolt. Untill there are concrete proofs that the revolt was essentially political and motivated by either subcontinental Indian independence (integration not possible by then, because there was only "British India" on the "other side") or Goan republican independence, we should be forced to conclude in a microcosmic way: it was a local/regional revolt due to socio-economic reasons, punctuated or even masked by political objectives. Still, I would be very interested if someone could explore and prove the objectives you attribute to the 1787 revolt. It would force us to conclude that there was a particular "Goan political consciousness", different from the pro-Indian or pro-Portuguese one. And it would certainly force many of us to rethink the past and contest certain established mainstream myths. Constantino Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 20:33:47 +0200 From: "Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Constantino, Do you really maintain that the last part of your following sentence is correct: «Goa has never been independent, nor has there been any relevant movement aspiring to that status»? If so, how would you classify the "Conjuracao dos Pintos" (The Pinto Revolt) of 1787 which aimed at making of Goa a republic based on the lofty principles (later proclaimed by the French) of liberty, equality and fraternity? Jorge _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Journalism in Portuguese India 1821-1961
Dear Cornel, Doutor Colaço has already given his opinion about this. I just want to calrify that I obviously do not consider Portugal a continent, nor assume it has ever been a continent. I have also never said or implied so. What I meant by "continental Portugal", was "mainland Portugal". During the colonial empire, Portugal consisted of its mainland, situated on the Iberian Peninsula, and several other territories spread over other continents. I guess the same is used regarding Europe, when we oppose "continental Europe" to the United Kingdom, for example in regard to political differences about the future of the European Union. If I am wrong, I am sorry about that. I must have it from the Portuguese language, where we use this concept "continental" with this meaning. Anyway, I hope you have understood by now what I meant by "continental Europe" and satisfied your query, and allowed you to better understand my ideas in my text. That was your objective, wasn't it? I am sure there are good chances that you know some places in Portugal better than me. That happens often, that people from abroad know your place better than yourself. That's what people tell me when I am in Goa, for example. And North Africa is still a grey spot on my own travelling map. Yes, I wrote a weakly and fortnightly column called "Global Goan" for over two years in the Goan Observer, for free. Does that imply that I have no right to have my opinion about that newspaper or about the media in Goa? I don't think so. I hope you trust my impartiality and good faith. Thank you Constantino Original Message Follows From: jose colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: goanet@goanet.org CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], jose colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Journalism in Portuguese India 1821-1961 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 03:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Cornel wrote to Constantino: 1: Thank you very much for your explanation for your contemporary, repeat, contemporary use of "continental Portugal" 2: I very much regret to say that your use of "continental Portugal" is quite misleading. It is also totally inappropriate and incorrect. Portugal is not a continent. 3: Did you once say on Goanet that you were a regular writer for the weekly Observer in Goa? The mind simply boggles, but I wish you well Dear Cornel, Please allow me to disagree with you. The term "continental Portugal" does not imply that Portugal is a 'continent'; neither does the term "continental USA". It only indicates (as with the US) areas which are not on the mainland i.e. Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Virgin Islands, Guam etc. The term "mainland" would have (to some) been a 'more appropriate' word, but I submit a less 'politically correct' word. It would mean that the 50 contiguous states in the US are kind of "Brahmin" vaddos ...while the others are "Sokoilo" or "Sudra" vaddos. Accordingly..In some archipelagic countries, the islands formerly known as "Out" Islands are now called "Family" Islands. Never mind Tino and his part time contribution to the Goa Observer. He is still a young student. You and I claim to have passed that stage, though I remain a student. Even so, we should have known that - should we not have? sincerely jc __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Reminder on morality and social conscience
As usual, Gilbert misrepresents my position and my answer to his question. He has no substantive or meaningful argument, and no rational answer to his own poorly framed question - "What's the Purpose to life?; and What happens after death". Moreover, his post has no connection with what I stated earlier under this thread. As far as morality or social conscience are concerned, as I have stated earlier, neither depend on the presence or absence of religious belief. Briefly, this is so because of the following: 1. Moral human behavior predates theistic and atheistic religious belief by several thousand years. 2. Rudiments of morality are present in several species of higher mammals. 3. Religious texts have prescribed many types of immoral activities. 4. Religious authorities and bodies have committed many types of immoral activities. 5. Religious justification continues to be used for the commission of various crimes and atrocities in the world to this day. 6. Theistic and atheistic belief has provided a cloak of immunity for thousands of criminals. 7. Theistic and atheistic ideologues are responsible for most of the genocides committed in recorded history. No religion, ideology or faith of any kind provides a rock-solid moral compass. Religious texts are full of immoral advice, which if taken literally, could wreak havoc in the modern world governed by humaritarian ethics and rational morality. The proposal that religions requiring compliance with some multiply revised list of ten commandments, provide a better or more rock-solid moral compass than beliefs following a prescription of seven moral suggestions, is entirely unconvincing. No genuine knowledge-based rational argument has been provided for any such contention. Cheers, Santosh --- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Santosh's post makes interesting reading and in some > ways is thought provoking. His response as an > atheist / agnostic to my post about: What's the > Purpose to life?; and What happens after death", was > interesting. It was short and what one would expect > from an atheist / agnostic - Nothing, Nyet, De nada, > and Kaput. > _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] DIARY OF A GOAN TEEN - 2 :-)) HUMOR
If you came in late: Miguel (16), Bertie (10) & Anisha (22), live with parents, Dr. G.A. & Marilia De Souza, in Mangor, Vasco. Miguel's daily attempts at sanity are dominated by his rambunctious family, friends, neighbours, pet, father's patients and the endlessly bubbling ingredients that make up the chaotic, modern Goa of today. Hitler, the mongrel family pet and Kazi Rizvi, Anisha's boyfriend, make technical appearances. Miguel proudly insists "This is a di-ary, not a bo-llog (blog). It's reel !" DIARY OF A GOAN TEEN - 2: Holidays are over. Miguel's been away a fortnight & school starts tomorrow. SUN. 28 MAY: Dear diary, oh how I have missed thee, flesh of my flesh. I have not seen your face for a whole fortnight. This week started so full of promise. And mysterious phone-callsevery two hours my cell would buzz:"You think you're india shining ? #&[EMAIL PROTECTED] want polish ?!!" When I refused the polish offer, another expletive. Some nut probably. Great news. First, Dr. Kaza Moyo, the deranged psychopath is to be paroled ! Then, no mass today, as Mum & Dad fly to Shimla, and Anisha & Kazi go with them upto Mumbai. Bertie is being sent to an orphanage ! Wishful thinking... MON. 29 MAY: The mystery of the phone-calls is solved. I am alone. At 5 pm, my cell buzzes again: "Vasco Polish ! Saiba wants to see you !" Ah, sweet mystery of life. I reply " Which ? Polish cyber ?!" Big mistake. Within 30 min. a Black Maria races up outside our modest dwelling on Mangor, and two mismatched constables haul me down to their tatty vehicle.The driver leers at me wolfishly. Mental note to have him sent to Dr. Kaza Moyo. At new Vasco police stn., constables Mutt & Jeff drag me in. Mutt yells "Do you know who we are ?" (What am I,Google?!). Quoting common knowledge I venture "Sakharam Havaldar?" Second mistake. I'm summarily thrown in the cells. It is 6.28 pm. TUE. 30 MAY: Have you ever been inside police-cells in Goa? First they book you in the occurrence book, rap you smartly with a knobby ruler, then divest you of belt, shoes, mobile & money. As you never get these back, one assumes there's a thriving black-market in these items. The cells are one large partitioned, grimy, windowless slum, with no furniture and basic bucket sanitation. No guesses why the floor is wet. Meals are a crapper - as no one cooks, meals are supplied by a near-by café. I've no doubt they are customer leftovers, they taste like bilge. Nobody knows I'm in, the Saib is away, and apparently 'habeas corpus' now allows you to be held 24 hours without trial. WED. 31 MAY: At 10am, the Saib is 'in' and I am hauled before him."Where have you been this past fortnight?" "Gao". "Shut up! Gao, who?" ( is this a knock, knock joke?)"Say, Gao, Saiba!!" "Oh, cyber-gao!" A clip on the ear. These cops have no sense of humor, they're mostly from Galgibaga. "You have been disrupting communal harmony,passing derogatory comments against hindus, muslims & christians!" "Where?" "On GoaNet!" "GoaNet? What's that, a fishing daily from Kharewaddo?" Another blow. "Where is your father?" (What am I, Darth Vader?)"We're not afraid of him !"(Unfortunately, father has often put them down). "Back to the cells with you ! One more night will do you good !" THU. 01 JUNE: Constable Jeff is agitated. All Goa cops are on tenter-hooks as Dr. Kaza Moyo is to be released on Saturday at Aguada, police-bandobasts are to be mounted,all kinds of sections from '0' to '144' to be promulgated, the international press will be there, so CRPF reinforcements are being flown in from Delhi, and here they have their hands half-full with a half-wit college kid. I think the real problem is Dad has finally been got hold of in Shimla by Bella, and is flying back tomorrow. His fury can be all consuming. In the meantime, I cannot be released on bail, as I am officially in the occurrence book and the earliest judge only resumes duty tomorrow. FRI. 02 JUNE: My day in court ! What a farce. Justice Pinga is as witless as police saiba."What is the charge?" "Saib, he wrote all communities are chors and many other bad things" "Are there any witnesses?" "Saib, they're all in Boston, Amrika". "Then you cannot hold him without bail - release him on Rs. 20,000 bond!" My turn. "Saib, I'm not guilty - the BJP made me do it!" "Keep quiet! Do you have the money or not?" "Not!" "Don't you know anybody?" I see Bella in court and wink at her. I whisper to the constable. He blurts out aloud "Saib, he says he knows a judge!" "Which judge??" "Saib, Judge-ill !" The court is horror-struck,I am instantly released. Churchill strikes again. SAT. 03 JUNE: Hell hath no fury like Darth Vader. Father is back & Churchill has promised to gherao Vasco police station as soon as Dr. Kaza Moyo has watched the Da Vinci Code. I am showered and rested and join the whole nation in watching
[Goanet] DEAR AUNTY - No. 7: WEEKLY HUMOR :-))
DEAR AUNTY - No. 7: WEEKLY TOP 12: __ 1. DEAR AUNTY, Shocking news of the lady being bitten by a stray dog at the GMC ! What's the first thing you advise to do in rabies case like this ? Rabi. .. Dear Rabi:Quickly make a list of all the people you'd like to bite ! 2. DEAR AUNTY, Konkani is the language of angels. But what if you go to hell ?Bakru. ... Dear Bakru: Do not worry. I am fluent in Marathi too. 3. DEAR AUNTY, I'm heart-broken. A Swedish girl lived in my beach-shack. We had such a great time. Now she's gone back home and forgotten me. What to do ? Shacky. Dear Shacky:Oh, just live on your 'swede' memories.. 4. DEAR AUNTY, Do you like your chicken cafreal rare, or nice and spicy ? Succorina. ... Dear Succorina:Oh, it does nutmeg any difference ! 5. DEAR AUNTY, Thunderstorms hit Goa, massive downpours and flooding everywhere. How come our politicians can't do anything about these rains? Rani. .. Dear Rani: Oh, our govt. is powerless now - this time the monsoon 'reigns'! 6. DEAR AUNTY, What's your opinion on the current looting in East Timor ?Paulo. ... Dear Paulo: When the West has less, they rush East To-more ! 7. DEAR AUNTY, Driving in Goa is absolutely horrifying. Worse, my driver's even more dangerous, he almost killed me three times today. Shall I sack him? Shy. . Dear Shy: Please don't be hasty. Give him one more chance ! 8. DEAR AUNTY, Maruti-Suzukis always have radiator problems. Why they always leak ? Hema. .. Dear Hema:Don't you get it ?? Maruti Susu-ki ! 9. DEAR AUNTY, Our Konkani is such a beautiful language, it seems every word has a double meaning. True ? Can you give an example, say a word like "kalliz" ? Biba. .. Dear Biba: Sure ! kalliz, yesterday; and, kalliz, the mormugao MLA ! 10. DEAR AUNTY, We love your Konkani "Knock, Knock" jokes! Please find one for me! JoeGoaUK . Dear Joe: "Knock, knock!""Konn?""Joe !!"..."Joe konn ??" "Arre. Joe-pak yo re, beshto ved korunaka !" 11. DEAR AUNTY, The World Cup starts this week. Now that his team Fransa Pax are out, will our Sports chief Miccky Pacheco be going to Germany for the Finals? Bruno. ... Dear Bruno: Definitely. Fransa one of the top countries in the finals! 12. DEAR AUNTY, Dr. Willy D'Souza, M.D., Deputy CM, is now threatening to get rid of all foreign property owners from Goa ! What do you think of this gimmick? Kate. .. Dear Kate: Oh don't worry, it's nothing but M.D. promises ?! _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] WE ARE ALL GOANS
--- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mario > It is always a matter of judgement when having > judged a point or piece as > drivel whether it is worth wasting time on it or > not. A perfect illustration > of drivel is when someone persists on saying that > the Portuguese took their > surnames from Goans rather than the other way > around. Why would any sensible > person want to waste time on a daft assertion like > that? > > The ball is now in your court re the specific point > I make above and I await your reply. > Mario replies: > Your comments above sadly lack an understanding of a couple of facts of modern life. > a) Failure to understand the modern use of the smiley face in internet communications, which leads you to your embarrassing and persistent challenge to the notion that the Portuguese did not in fact get their names from Goan Catholics :-)) > b) Failure to understand the meanings of the words "intemperate" and "drivel" when challenging me to show you where you had used "intemperate" language in your response to Arjun. Id showed you in great detail. You will have to re-read my previous post to learn why you were being "intemperate" in calling Arjun's comments "drivel", while omitting to explain specifically why you disagreed with him. > _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re: *** Goa wants expats to leave (Pushpa Iyengar in DNA)
Linda, > I think the difference is between being on a TOURIST visa and being a resident. > The article was Pushpa Iyengar's personal spin on a bogus issue. She refers to foreigners who are on TOURIST visas. Why is someone who is on a TOURIST visa, which is a short stay visa by definition, wanting to buy property, which is a longer term investment? > If the foreigners change their visa status to reflect their real interest in Goa, I'm sure they will be able to buy whatever they like. > Mario. > --- Linda Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yes , and send all the Goans & all the Indians that > have taken residence in the UK back to India ! > > > Lynda > > > From: Goanet News > > >http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1033200 > > > > > >PANAJI: They helped build brand Goa, fell in love > with it and > >decided to stay on forever. But it seems that they > have worn > >out their welcome. > > -- > Read all Goanet messages @ > http://www.goanet.org/archive.php?name=News&list=goanet > > _ > Do not post admin requests to the list. > Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) > _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Kiss which cheek first?
--- afra dias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Goanetters, > > 'Left cheek first'. Its not only because we British > drive on the left, it is also because we write from > left to right. > Mario observes: > Afra, I'm surprised that you are disagreeing with your "British" buddy, Gabe Menezes, who wants everyone to kiss the right cheek of the kissee first which would require the kisser going to the left. Apparently some Portuguese guy said so, and Gabe wants to be like the Portuguese guy. You, on the other hand, want everyone to kiss the kissee's left cheek first, which would require the kisser to go to the right. I hope I am not confusing you :-)) > Afra writes: > > Also if we give someone a back-hander we swing our > right hand from left to right. > Mario responds: > Afra, if you start kissing from the left, you will be kissing the right cheek first! I thought you said above "Left cheek first". Please make up your mind. BTW, remind me to stay away from your backhander :-)) > Afra writes: > > It all adds up that the French and the Belgiums have > got it all wrong and the British have got it right - > we always do. > Mario observes: > I don't know about the British, but it looks like you are all confused as we can see above :-)) > Afra writes: > > As for the Number of kisses it depends on how > intimately you know the person - > 10 times if you have been emailing them and have > seen them for the first time. > (Gabe - don't count on it). > Mario asks: > Afra, if you know the kissee "intimately" you should not be still kissing him or her just on the cheeks? :-)) You'll be lucky to go beyond two times for someone you are meeting for the first time :-)) > _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Foreigners on tourist visas banned from buying land ( Open Reply)
--- Stephen Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Foreigners on tourist visas banned from buying land > They cant run businesses in Goa either One part of that is not quite fair. The other part is. I am sure Indians on tourist visa can buy land in Australia (or in any part of the world) if they have the finance. Which means that a foreign tourist, in reciprocation, would be free to obtain property in India. But they cannot work, unless they obtain the proper business / work visa. Therefore, in reciprocation, unless a foreigner in India has the proper visa authorising him / her to work in India, they cannot run a business in India. Cheers, Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - Australia. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Journalism in Portuguese India 1821-1961
--- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Constantino > Thank you very much for your explanation for your > contemporary, repeat, > contemporary use of "continental Portugal" Cornel, Pardon me for intruding, but Constantino, being of Portuguese extraction, is probably talking in terms he is accustomed to: "continental" Portugal (or "Europa", as was another termed used then) to distinguish it from the "overseas" Portugal. I am sure these terms came from pre-1970s description of the Portuguese scene. Cheers, Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - Australia. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Woman priest says Mass
Gilbert Are you seriously saying that Hindu temples were not destroyed by the Portuguese so as to build churches atop the destroyed buildings? Please clarify this point in case I have misunderstood you. Cornel - Original Message - From: "Marlon Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Woman priest says Mass * G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- The answer to the Mario's question is pretty simple: It is called a welfare state. If in case Gilbert and Mario are not aware, secular, democratic rule has superseded the closed, theocratic institutions they talk so highly about. If anything one could argue that the reach and cradle to grave scope of the secular welfare state has become overly excessive. As for a consistent moral compass that religion apparently provides, one has to wonder which religion or even brand of Christianity they are referring to. I do agree that Christianity has been so successful -there are so many versions of them, covering the gamut from rationalizing slavery and apartheid to the selfless charity of Mother Theresa. Christian? Yes. Consistent? Hmm. The dichotomy of views and lack of consistency is also apparent in the beliefs of these two individuals. Mario for example stated that the late Pope John Paul aligned the Catholic Church with the Islamic fundamentalists by opposing the US led attack on Iraq. Gilbert for his part believes that the Catholic Church can do no wrong to the point of denying that Hindu temples were destroyed during Portuguese rule in Goa. Will the true defender of the Christian faith please stand up! Marlon --- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Mario, I am sure you would not mind / want to "discriminate" / prevent other card carrying atheists / agnostics from answering the second paragraph of your well written post (see below). In my communications with this group, they are great in articulating the limitations of other's beliefs. Yet when it comes to explaining their own beliefs and actions they appear tongue-tied. I'd welcome / encourage them to have a "Progressive Igroz" with a woman pope. They even have a good candidate for the job. And very articulate members on this forum (donâ?Tt have to go far) who could hold other high offices. Their religion could expound on multiple spouses, lax moral, social and legal codes etc etc. So what is holding them back? Their joy of torturing the rest of us perhaps.:=)) The next demographic study of Goans can even have a category of Goan atheists/agnostics. This in addition to the current Hindus, Catholics and Muslims. I am sure the ever-generous Khoro Niz Goenkars will make room for these "bhaile". Kind Regards, GL From: Mario Goveia As an atheist convert and evangelist with the typical hubris and "what can I get away with today" moral compass, it does not surprise me at all that you are deliberately misconstruing my posts, because I have done anything but blindly follow the shephard. > I will have far more respect when you can show me long-standing and world-wide atheist-supported schools, hospitals, nursing homes, homes for the aged, orphanages and other charitable organizations, as well as a rock solid moral compass going back thousands of years that no one with even half a brain can misunderstand. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Enviornment and Destruction Minister
Enviornment and Destruction Minister, we ought to have one in every state. While nothing is being done during the summer or winter season to have the gutters repaired or take precautionary steps should there be a heavy down pour , what's going to happen to the citizens of the state and country at large, floods causing heavy damages to life and property . We as a Govt. of the state should have had our brains on shoulders by taking concrete steps to protect the lives and property and the state at large from such incidents, what were we doing during the summer (eating mangoes,fish and fruits and holidaying with our family at the cost of the taxpayer) what was i as a citizen of the state and a human being who exercises my right to vote and gets and MLA elected doing during summer , having fun too and when problem arose its me who should suffer, in the flooded streets of Goa, where lives have been lost. We cannot and ought not to blame anyone of what is happening in Goa, the blame lies on all of us, who are irresponsible , very forgetful, fun loving relaxing dancing dreaming and just not affected of what negative happens in Goa. Take the Minister to task, take the Govt to task, the muncipal council where we pay taxes and who knows where the money is going in whose account and pocket , we are all happy when we see a few visible places in panjim painted and lit and we think "Oh yes development is taking place" and that's why we have never progressed in our own state due to our sheer negligence. Learn to exercise your right Goenkars,by questioning the departments and Ministries and Ministers/Chief Minister/Prime Minister etc. just don't sleep and wait for dances if we are not CAREFUL AND HANDICAPPED OF HANDLING OF SUCH FLOODS , GOD FORBID WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO GOA IF WE EXPERIENCE A TSUNAMI??? Avertano _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: *** Goanet Reader: Wanted: an Asian perspective on the freedomofreligion (Eduardo Faleiro)
Congratulation to Eduardo Faleiro for his comprehensive statement on conversions. Please Inform him Archbishop Henry D;Souza _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
