[Goanet] Re: Our Language Saga, Vowel Wars.
Thank you, Valmiki, have enjoyed your writing too ! I have much regard for Yorrick and irmao, but am not kin. Cardiology for me involves one's that have alas stopped beating - a registry of diseased specimens in jars, of special infection interest. Will try and get you a book on language/scripts, dont tell Cecil ! Eric. Valmiki Faleiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since when have eminent cardiologists turned linguists? With such depth and humour, I've noticed over some time? Or am I mixing Yorrick's bro. for someone else? Whichever Eric, this IS great. Gimme more! _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Fr. Jorda and Loyola High School
Thank you, Teo, much appreciate. 'Last link' Rev. Apolinario Pinto was my father's first cousin, and he may be linked to the School's loss of it's accreditation: all 7000 of us will keep that a secret ! He was a Rachol aluno, but had acquired english at some stage, unlike other priests in the family. You have now resolved the Fr. Jorda mystery for me, i did wonder about the dictionary, things did not fit, but fall into place now - Fr. Claude was the likely 'ghost-writer ! Fr. Jorda was Sodality Director at St. Xaviers' in Bombay in the 20's and my father remembered as a kindly soul. Thank you, again.Eric. Teotonio R. de Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Eric Here follow some more details to add to my earlier posting on Fr. Jorda as the first principal of Loyola High School, Margco. Its earlier name St. Theotonio Union High School was derived from its founder4s patron saint, namely of Patriarch-Archbishop of Goa, D. Theotonio Vieira de Castro. St. Theotonio is my patron saint as well, celebrated in the Portuguese liturgical calendar on 18th Feb. The school was earlier known as Union High School, and was founded by Roque Santana Gracias in 1899. He was a landlord from Loutolim, and was educated in Bombay. He was held in high esteem by his teachers and students. He died in 1923. The school was acquired by the archdiocese in 1932, and was renamed St. Theotonio Union High School. It was affiliated to Bombay University in 1933. The foundation-stone of its present building was laid in 1935. The patriarch D. Jose da Costa Nunes, called the Jesuits to take over the school in 1944. Goa Mission of the Jesuits had then been functioning under Fr. Joco Augusto de Miranda, as its superior. The last non-Jesuit link of that school was Fr. Apolinario da Cruz Pinto. The Goa Jesuits did not have any experienced principal to take up the responsibility for the new venture and obtained Fr. Andrew Jorda S.J. on loan from the Bombay Province of the Jesuits. He was loaned for 1 year, but was requested to stay on for another half year. He was then recalled by the Bombay Province. Goanetters may recall how the Goa Archdiocese invited more recently three Jesuits to start St. Xavier's College (Fr. Edward from Bombay, Fr. Carl from Gujerat, and Fr. Pallitanam from Kerala) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: The Indian who revived Catholicism in Sri Lanka
June 23rd is the anniversary of the first Mass said by Goan Blessed Joseph Vaz on Sri Lankan soil in 1687 and the 6th anniversary of the Joseph Naik Vaz Institute's Mass on June 23, 2000 in Rome at the Oratorian church, Chiesa Nuova, presided by Cardinal Emeritus of Mumbai, Cardinal Simon Pimenta. Cardinal Pimenta personally handed the Joseph Naik petition for the 2000 Jubilee canonization of Blessed Joseph Vaz to Pope John Paul II. The article below which appeared on this forum a few days ago, is a good reminder for Goans to honor their Goan heritage. And it is a good time to ask: does your Goan organization/association and church/priests remember and celebrate native Goan saints like Blessed Vaz and Venerable Agnelo or does the colonial mindset of celebrating European saints only continue? Be true to your true Goan heritage and pass Goan history to your children and grandchildren, not just European history. Regards, George * The Indian who revived Catholicism in Sri Lanka COLOMBO DIARY | PK Balachandran June 5, 2006 (PK Balachandran is Special Correspondent of Hindustan Times in Sri Lanka) http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7752_1713353,004100180006.htm In the second half of the 17th century, two important developments took place in Ceylon as Sri Lanka was then called. In 1658, the Dutch replaced the Portuguese as the European military, political and economic power; and Calvinism or Protestantism, displaced Roman Catholicism as the religion of the Christians in the island. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
RE: [Goanet] Goan Taliban?
Actually Kevin, it's fair play. Afterall, that's what a democracy is. That's the reason, so many stalwart Goans risked their life and limb, so we can could be freed from the shackles of colonialism and become a democratic state. Felly/Francis/Frankie?Hankie/Pankie, is free to say what he wants. I hope he would also allow the Elisabeths and Dan Browns of this world to say what they want. Being ashamed to be Goan in this instance does not make me any less Goan. I know many Germans who were thoroughly ashamed of Hitler. That didn't make them any less German. Democracy usually bestows rights, privileges and powers, it does not take them away. Elisabeth -- --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Felly/Frankie, This admonition is totally uncalled for on a public Goan forum. Elisabeth eloquently states what many of us only have the courage to think (ie. those of us who do THINK). I have publicly renounced the trappings of faith in a supernatural being and have attracted my fair share of fundamentalist cursing. I hope I will not be the next target of your 'moderation' of this Goan forum. Kevin Saldanha, Mississauga, ON. -- Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:03:06 +0800 From: Felicio Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Lisa, If you truly ashamed of being a Goan in that case please stay out of Goans public forum. Seja uma senhora boa Thanks, Francis mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Goan Taliban?
Why? I am ashamed too. This is not a 'I Look at Goa through UV glasses' forum. Here is a list du jour of I Am Ashamed Items and I am Proud Items. I am Ashamed of: 1) The mindless sheep who flocked to the Inox theater not to view a mere Hollywood movie and then critique it but to stop it from being screened. Maybe that way no one can ask them for their opinion and thus expose their ignorance to the Bible, Christianity and Tom Hanks' hair. 2) The people who did nothing about protecting the safety of children of the Nerul School so a boulder nearly crushed them. 3) The carnage on the streets - 3 bikes accidents today I am proud of: 1) The stellar performance of Ralph Silva at the IIT entrance examinations 2) The young man who bagged the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation scholarship to study the environment. 3) The efforts of the people of the city of Vasco to Go Green. Helga Elisabeth --- Dear Lisa, If you truly ashamed of being a Goan in that case please stay out of Goans public forum. Seja uma senhora boa Thanks, Francis _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] The Gandhi Nobody Knows
The Gandhi Nobody Knows Richard Grenier [From the magazine, Commentary, March 1983, published monthly by the American Jewish Committee, New York, NY.] I HAD the singular honor of attending an early private screening of Gandhi with an audience of invited guests from the National Council of Churches. At the end of the three-hour movie there was hardly, as they say, a dry eye in the house. When the lights came up I fell into conversation with a young woman who observed, reverently, that Gandhi's last words were Oh, God, causing me to remark regretfully that the real Gandhi had not spoken in English, but had cried, Hai Rama! (Oh, Rama). Well, Rama was just Indian for God, she replied, at which I felt compelled to explain that, alas, Rama, collectively with his three half-brothers, represented the seventh reincarnation of Vishnu. The young woman, who seemed to have been under the impression that Hinduism was Christianity under another name, sensed somehow that she had fallen on an uncongenial spirit, and the conversation ended. At a dinner party shortly afterward, a friend of mine, who had visited India many times and even gone to the trouble of learning Hindi, objected strenuously that the picture of Gandhi that emerges in the movie is grossly inaccurate, omitting, as one of many examples, that when Gandhi's wife lay dying of pneumonia and British doctors insisted that a shot of penicillin would save her, Gandhi refused to have this alien medicine injected in her body and simply let her die. (It must be noted that when Gandhi contracted malaria shortly afterward he accepted for himself the alien medicine quinine, and that when he had appendicitis he allowed British doctors to perform on him the alien outrage of an appendectomy.) All of this produced a wistful mooing from an editor of a major newspaper and a recalcitrant, But still I would prefer to explicate things more substantial than a wistful mooing, but there is little doubt it meant the editor in question felt that even if the real Mohandas K. Gandhi had been different from the Gandhi of the movie it would have been nice if he had been like the movie-Gandhi, and that presenting him in this admittedly false manner was beautiful, stirring, and perhaps socially beneficial. ... Came across the above in my nowadays rare rambles on the 'net. If you wish to read more about it, please visit http://history.eserver.org/ghandi-nobody-knows.txt May I warn you, it is a long one, and may not make for pleasant reading either. Cheers, Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - Australia. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Fr. Jorda at Loyola High School
I studied for one year in the 5th.Std. at the St.Theotonio Union High School in 1943 when Fr.Pinto (brother of the well-known Prof.C.D.Pinto of the St.Xavier's College, Bombay) was the Principal. To the best of my knowledge, Fr. Jorda,S.J., who took over as Principal when the school was handed over to the Jesuits and re-named Lotola High School, acquired a great degree of proficiency in Konkani during his brief stay in Goa and even preached in our mother-tongue! ---Tony Correia-Afonso This message was sent using NWebmail, BSNL's Webmail Program _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re:Boycott Inox multiplex Cinema Hall for Showing the Film, despite Ban in Goa
I find it interesting that people from the extremist religious right have no issue with enforcing their hard line religious views, with no regard to the rule of law. Contrary to the false subject line, there was no legal ban on the movie as it had already passed the requirements of the government censors (should censorship even exist?!). The playing of the movie was halted because of threats made by a pseudo politician thug against a private business entitity. There is nothing democratic or legal in this, but hey, I guess violence is justifiable if it means protecting the name of god. Welcome to the dark ages, Goa and Praaaiissse the lord! Marlon --- Joe Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do some people enjoy propagating fictitious (and/or imaginary) accounts of happenings in Goa, while taking potshots from far away places? Dont Goans in Goa know whats good or bad for them, and dont they have the right to decide whats good in their interest? Let people (in Goa) stand up for what they feel is right, w _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] World Cup Goan sweepstakes to benefit Goan charity
Dear all: Many thanks to Gabe for initiating this World Cup Goan sweepstakes to benefit a Goan charity for seniors in Goa. This is Gabe's personal initiative; it is not an official project of Goa Sudharop although Gabe has kindly determined to donate the proceeds to Goa Sudharop (www.goasudharop.org) for a Goan charity for seniors in Goa. Here is a summary of the sweepstakes and related information: 1. 32 tickets will be sold for the 32 teams playing in the World Cup. 2. Each ticket costs UK 10 pounds or US $20. Please send your money order or checks/cheques in **US $$** and make payable to GOA SUDHAROP and mail to: GOA SUDHAROP, 67 KINGSTON ROAD, KENSIGNTON, CALIFORNIA, 94707, USA. 3. Please send an email to Gabe Menezes at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to inform him you are entering so he can maintain the list of entrants. He will later have a drawing to determine which team you are assigned (each ticket is assigned one team). 4. The last date to enter and inform Gabe is June 15, 2006. 5. To date about 10 people have entered. First come, first serve basis. Only 32 tickets will be sold, so rush your entry before it is too late. 6. On July 9, the winner will be annouced based on the team which wins the World Cup. 7. The winner will receive US$200, the remaining amount collected (approximately US $400) will benefit a Goan charity for seniors in Goa through Goa Sudharop. 8. A full public accounting will be made after the contest is over. Thank you for your support. George Pinto _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Goa news for June 8, 2006
Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** GOA to publish Warhammer Online in Europe (Warcry) The Press Release says:Mythic Entertainment, a leading developer and publisher of massively-multiplayer online role-playing games (MMORPG's), today announced Warhammer(R) Online: Age of Reckoning(TM) (WAR) will be published and operated across Europe by GOA, the France Telecom-owned publisher of online games. GOA has successfully operated Dark Age of Camelot in Europe with Mythic since http://www.warcry.com/scripts/news/view_news.phtml?site=15id=54786 *** Slick alarm for Goa coast (The Telegraph) Mumbai, June 6 (Reuters): An oil slick from a cargo ship that sank off Indias coast is threatening popular tourist beaches in Goa, environmentalists warned today. http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060607/asp/nation/story_6320224.asp *** 'Goa to go in for smaller SEZs' (The Economic Times) PANAJI: Goa Chief Minister Pratapsingh Rane has said the state will go in for smaller special economic zones (SEZs). We have become the first state in the country to approve the SEZ policy which is as per Central government directives, Rane, said here. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1628192.cms *** Goa to go in for smaller SEZs: Rane (New Kerala) Panaji: Goa Chief Minister Pratapsingh Rane has said the state will go in for smaller special economic zones (SEZs). We have become the first state in the country to approve the SEZ policy which is as per Central government directives, Rane, told reporters here. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnewsid=6175 *** BJP workers protest fuel price hike in Goa (The Times of India) The BJP workers in Goa adopted an unique way of protesting the hike in fuel prices as they moved through the city in a bullock cart. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1628100.cms *** Plant to generate power from solid waste in Goa (New Kerala) Panaji: Goa government is setting up a non-polluting power generation plant, which will use solid waste, in the state in cooperation with a Malaysian company. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnewsid=6085 *** INDIA: 'Da Vinci Code' banned in Goa (AsiaMedia) Panaji --- Bowing to public pressure and Christian organisations who have been up in arms against the controversial film The Da Vinci Code, Goa government on Monday decided to ban the screening of the movie in the state. http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=47228 *** GOA secures Warhammer Online publishing rights (gamesindustry.biz) GOA, the videogames publishing division of France Telecom, has secured the exclusive European publishing and online operational rights for Mythic Entertainment's Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning. http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=17539 *** Demand for atleast 20 pc tickets for women in Goa (Hindustan Times) The All India Mahila Congress on Tuesday said it would demand that atleast 20 per cent of tickets for the state legislative assembly elections in Goa next year be given to women. http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1714292,0009.htm *** Oil Slick Threatens Tourist Beaches in India's Goa (Environmental News Network) An oil slick from a cargo ship that sank off India's coast is threatening popular tourist beaches in the southern resort state of Goa, environmentalists said on Tuesday. http://www.enn.com/today.html?id=10618ref=rss Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
RE: [Goanet] Goan Taliban?
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This admonition is totally uncalled for on a public Goan forum. Elisabeth eloquently states what many of us only have the courage to think (ie. those of us who do THINK). Mario observes: Kevin, Another one of your classic atheist/agnostic pretenses. THINKING by itself is no substitute for COMMON SENSE and the combined WISDOM of the ages :-)) However, I, too, disagree that the admonition. Opinions need to be debated, not abolished. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Woman priest says Mass
--- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not a practising Catholic but I do respect those who sincerely believe in their Catholic faith. Mario observes: Shown below is an example of the utmost respect that Cornel has for Catholics who sincerely believe in their Catholic faith, whom he refers to below as simpletons, in this case commenting on the rock solid Christian moral compass embodied in the Golden Rule and the equally rock solid Ten Commandments, Mario's rock solid moral compass is based on a simpleton's religious oriented commonsense. And again, Higher education is basically about debunking commonsense... Regular Goanetters would know that Cornel thinks of himself as highly educated and frequently refers to those whom he disagrees with as uneducated. We have no explanation as to why higher education would not be neutral in it's search for the truth, and basically also reinforce common sense instead of just be basically about debunking it. The rock solid Christian and other religious moral codes are under furious attack by humanists/atheists like Cornel and Santosh, who has gone as far as to say, That many moral teachings in religious texts are now regarded as immoral is a well-known fact. A rock solid moral compass cannot have such gaping immoral holes in it. The gaping immoral hole is only a well known fact to Santosh based on his specious and cynical concoction that ...many moral teachings in religious texts are now regarded as immoral... In the meantime, there is no explanation from these or any other atheist as to what is not rock solid about the Christian Golden Rule and Ten Commandments. These are the same people who claim that individual unorganized atheists and agnostics must be believed when they say that they have a rock solid moral code, when we have only their own word for it and no checks and balances or consquences other than the law. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Goa importing poverty
The Goa importing poverty thread evolved in a very enlightening and civil manner into market economies. I thank both Elizabeth and Mario for keeping it intellectual. Yet both (and the rest of us) would agree that anything good (policies, regulations, laws) left to itself and taken to its extreme by vested interest is bad. The issue is how does society prevent the abuse of a good thing? And how do we (society or govt.) address important issues rather that create short-term and short-sighted solutions to more fundamental problems. Here are some thoughts: 1. Should Social Security for Seniors relieve the children from being primarily responsible for the well-being of their parents? It should not. But yet is does all too often. This includes the Senior Citizens not wanting to be dependent on their children. 2. The issue of Dubai Ports Deal was a security issue. Yet security is the responsibility of the Govt. / Coast Guard and not of a private company - American or foreign. The intellectual issue here is: Why are there no American companies competing for the tender to manage and operate the ports? 3. The illegal immigration discussion is also miss-directed. Why are the world economists (who were in favor of WTO and NAFTA) not stepping forward to come up with innovative plans to create jobs in Mexico to keep the indigenous workforce in their native land? It is my understanding that the major cause for sharply rising unemployment in Mexico is the undermining of their agriculture with import of cheap corn and other agricultural products. It is like the USA on manufactured products! Its good if it is cheap, but bad if it creates unemployment. Unfortunately neither the academics nor the major and multi-national corporations have stepped to the plate to develop innovative solutions to these worldwide problems. 4. In economic terms, is not human labor and talent (including brain power) to some extent a resource - and thus an exportable / renewable commodity? So in a free trade system, why / how would one restrict human movement across boundaries be it in Goa or USA, EU, Canada or Australia? Population migration is a NATURAL PHENOMENON and has occurred since the time Man first migrated out of Africa 100,000 years ago. Kind Regards, GL _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re: Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 565 Message 6
Livia/Jorge, No big issue was made about continental Portugal. I had very briefly, and very politely asked, what it meant as I was genuinely quite unfamiliar with the term as used in the post. Unfortunately, I received (addressed to me as professor), an irate 'mini-lecture' instead, including an English dictionary definition which was really quite unnecessary about the word continent. Further, its usage in the dictionary context, which was provided, in the reply, proved to be incorrect! Clearly, errors and misunderstandings will arise in translations. Anyway, I am glad the little matter has been cleared up. Among others, I found your explanation for the term continental Portugal helpful. Cornel - Original Message - From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Re: Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 565 Message 6 On 06/06/06, Livia/Jorge de Abreu Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really do not see why such big issue is being made on the term Continental Portugal. Our Madeira and Azores brothers/sisters refer to us, living on the mainland as Continentais. And they themselves have a special statute and benesses because of their Insularidade. It appears as though to the usual lusophobians Portugal is just landscape with Lisbon for capital. RESPONSE: I read this pretty good write up on Portugal, I have posted only the beginning of it as it is rather long. Please read. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/main.jhtml?xml=/global/mentors/lisbon.xmlDCMP=EMC-exp_05062006 Mentor for Lisbon Sue Leite Monteiro says Portugal's history has had a lasting impact on Lisbon culture with Moorish and Oriental influences in architecture and the arts. (Filed: 08/09/2005) Introduction to Portugal Lisbon Geography and Climate History Culture Economy and Taxation Property Healthcare Ask questions and read the answers on the Mentor Noticeboard. Our mentors are volunteers and any information they provide is for information only and is not intended to be a substitute for professional advice. Click here to access the message boards terms and condition _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] ROAD TO SAFETY
--- N Chandrasekharan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HELLO, This is to remind on the ROAD TO SAFETY ( ROAD SAFETY) Even to-day I saw an accident at Miramar near the Campal Inn. Accidents are more due to negligence on the part of the two wheelers. Are we aware of this evil? This is as bad as Davinci Code. Why there is no response to this? Are we really not interested in protecting the lives? Are we determined to have bloodbath? PROTECT THE GOAN BLOOD and then GOA. Mario observes: Chandra, keep blowing this horn. What have I been saying all along? No one seems to care enough to DO anything, even though Valmiki and Melinda are trying their best to wake people up to the tragedy. BTW, is the negligence on the part of the two-wheelers, or the two-wheeler drivers? _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Hi Goanetters !
--- Kaza Moyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Goanetters ! Just to say how much I enjoy this forum ! I'm originally from Goa, but practised for quite a while in the UK. I notice quite a few old friends colleagues here. Hi Jose, hello Gilbert, viva Santosh ! I've been away on holiday for a while at the Aguada, but am back now - feel free to drop me a line anytime or post any Goacentric psychiatric query online ! Mario writes: Dr. Moyo, Welcome. Your surname is one I have not heard before as coming from Goa, but one lives and learns. Having grown up an Indian, and now a US citizen of Goan ancestry, I will leave any Goacentric psychiatric queries to others, but, as a wild guess, some of our friends may qualify for some Portuguese-centric counseling, not having gotten over, after 45 long years, the demise of Portugal's prized Overseas Province :-)) You should see the endless weeping and gnashing of teeth about how Goa was invaded by those dastardly Indians in 1961, and is being messed up by a booming economy and the chaos and trauma of Goans having to deal with all those nasty Indians streaming in to buy property and do work that Goans will not do for the same price. Oh, for the good old days! GOA FOR GOANS!! is one recent King-Canute-like rallying cry. I have tried to tell them that the Portuguese - whom I love and admire for being affectionate and truly racially neutral people - are not coming back, and they should get on with their lives, but do you think they will listen to me? Perhaps you may have more luck in getting them to calm down with a trenchant essay on the subject :-)) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] COALITION ANIVERSARY in GOA
What use is development (referring to tremendous speedy development during the BJP coalition rule from 24.10.2000 to 2nd February, 2005 ) if a Hindu Catholic and Muslim cannot walk hand in? --- this was the view of Mr. Adolf Fernandes, a 65 year old toddy tapper originally from Betul in Salcete who now works in Ponda, when this writer had a tete a tete - with him at the Ponda Bus stand this morning, in view of the first anniversary of the Congress led coalition in the State. They only speak of the language of loot and threats to destabilise the Government --- they have no shame (referring to the Congress-I and the NCP MLAs' (who were deprived of power from 24.10.2000 to 2.2.2005) atleast -they- were stable says Ms Asha Parab a fisherwomen from Banastarimreferring to the BJP coalition. But both are useless ---BJP (Bhajap) used our votes but only they benefitted -- and then she points to the sacred thread referring apparently to the Brahmin Hindus. They are all the same she chided Bajap BJP Konge Congress Godial NCP kai shiv MGP anik konn ha? In the bus enroute Old Goa (to collect my complementary copy gifted by Fr Mariano Gomes of the Povitr Pustok) I sit near Mr V Dalvi a septugenarian landowner from Priol. He says that BJP rule was a party with a mission -- look at the development works Banastarim bridge etc in such short span Goa got a face lift -- and these? -- they are all wolves in sheep clothes --- just amass wealth -- look at that porr referring to the Cumbarjua MLA he has become a realtor -- kuimche poixe?-- and points out to the apartments and chunks of land at Madkai and Old Goa he believes belongs to Mr Pandurang Madkaikar---MLA. Look at that war intra party- Mr Churchill and Mr Jeetendra anik Luisinho Mr Babush peto ani Mummy then to Redo-- Micky Pacheco anik Doutor Mr Ravi Naik barwalo /motorcycol pilot ani amcho Bhata Mr Sudin Dhavlikar --- they are all fighting with each other -- anik rajkaran choloitole?? fotting lok -- they have spoiled the name of Goa --- anik bhaile faido ghetat-Amcho Parrikar ietolo polloi tumi -- On the Curchorem riots he says te moir Bhatkal ani Kashmiri -Goenchem raj kortole poloi? he mentions the influx of Moslems in Ponda the Masjids that are sprouting up-- I mention the numerous saffron ghumties on the road side and the temples -- he agrees it is a racket and says ALL crosses ghumtis must be demolished. On the welfare schemes -- yes he says it is Parrikar who showed the way --- the Congress had to follow and improve upon it and they did it now with bicycles OK but to die on narrow roads? -- and text books free -- why should the rich be given free books? to allow our children see the photograph of Mr Subhash Shirodkar MLA Shiroda on them --- to konn? dev? soglem, chorancho raj. See all development work has stopped ??? and nothing coming out --- garbage all over traffic chaos land grab influx of migrants -- khuim pavlam Goem? This was vox populi on the first aniversary 7.6.2005 to 7.6.2006) of the Congress led coalition in the State. But a look at the months ---not, year ahead -- its election time, any time, post monsoons -- true -- but can the Mr Ravi Sitaram Naik MLA Ponda GPCC President and CM Pratapsing Raoji Rane lead the party to victory in the forthcoming elections? Take a look at the political scenario as of date. The United Progressive Alliance stepped into its third year in office since 24 May 2006, the BJP has suffered and is suffering its the worst downfall in its popularity graph, and will remain at that for some more time thanks to the notoriety and misdeeds of Rahul Mahajan the progeny (son) of late Mr Pramod Mahajan the GENext PM in waiting of the BJP. While the other Baba Rahul Gandhi M Phil MP Amethi won Mama Sonia Gandhi her bye-election from Rae Bareily in UP registering an impressive win. Now there is a birthday gift coming on 19th June 2006 when Baba Rahul completes his 36th birthday, which means simply by May 2009 if not earlier he will be next PM. But such nightmares have been haunting Mr Sharad Pawar NCP chief too and he knows too well that with Baba Rahul inching to Prime Ministerial seat his life long ambition to be PM from MP will be shattered --- so will the NCP not go in for a hard bargain of more seats to improve their numbers? Thats what the coalition partners in Goa believe. Dr Willie is keen to increase his tally of two seats in power to more ---on the other with the BJP in the State at its lowest -- Mr Parrikar's ( Monday press briefings have stopped ) and the new incoming BJP chief is due. The MGP believes it can go alone and contest and win all seats --- how will they make it in Catholic dominant Salcete ? is unclear -- Tenancy and Mundkar rights were their gift to even Cristaos in Velhas Conquistas but will that turn a vote for them now ??? it is sheer wishful thinking in Salcete Bardez Tiswadi constituencies. With veteran Congressmen hardly talking of making way for GenNext the
[Goanet] RE.: Angry Man Go Whistle !
Mario, Appeasement? I think you need to go whistle :-) The Indian saying ...a mind closed like a steel-trap encased in a wooden head reminds one of all the whistles the 'cabal' has given you, and you refuse to blow ! To wit: We gave him a wooden whistle, But he just wooden whistle, We gave him a steel whistle, But he steel wooden whistle ! Now we give him a goan whistle, Friend.. just goan whistle ! Howzzat ! I think I'll leave you to the likes of Dr. Kaza Moyo FR. that patina of eternal youth :-)) You need to be spry now you also have to worry about home grown ..appeasement going on up there :-)) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Fr. Jorda and Loyola High School
Dear Eric Here follow some more details to add to my earlier posting on Fr. Jorda as the first principal of Loyola High School, Margão. Its earlier name St. Theotonio Union High School was derived from its founder´s patron saint, namely of Patriarch-Archbishop of Goa, D. Theotonio Vieira de Castro. St. Theotonio is my patron saint as well, celebrated in the Portuguese liturgical calendar on 18th Feb. The school was earlier known as Union High School, and was founded by Roque Santana Gracias in 1899. He was a landlord from Loutolim, and was educated in Bombay. He was held in high esteem by his teachers and students. He died in 1923. The school was acquired by the archdiocese in 1932, and was renamed St. Theotonio Union High School. It was affiliated to Bombay University in 1933. The foundation-stone of its present building was laid in 1935. The patriarch D. Jose da Costa Nunes, called the Jesuits to take over the school in 1944. Goa Mission of the Jesuits had then been functioning under Fr. João Augusto de Miranda, as its superior. The last non-Jesuit link of that school was Fr. Apolinario da Cruz Pinto. The Goa Jesuits did not have any experienced principal to take up the responsibility for the new venture and obtained Fr. Andrew Jorda S.J. on loan from the Bombay Province of the Jesuits. He was loaned for 1 year, but was requested to stay on for another half year. He was then recalled by the Bombay Province. Goanetters may recall how the Goa Archdiocese invited more recently three Jesuits to start St. Xavier's College (Fr. Edward from Bombay, Fr. Carl from Gujerat, and Fr. Pallitanam from Kerala) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
RE: [Goanet] Re: *** Goanet Reader: Wanted: an Asian perspective
Jayant, Do you have any recommendations on an Asian perspective on the freedom FROM religion as it pertains to Goa? There is a SecularGoa Yahoogroup which is concerned with interference of politics into religion and vice versa but I was wondering if any of the encouragingly successful humanist/atheist Indian organizations had made any head way into the Konkan region. http://www.positiveatheism.org/tocindia.htm#SOUVENIR http://hinduwebsite.com/history/athiesm.htm -- Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 01:07:06 -0400 From: Jayant Vaidya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Re: *** Goanet Reader: Wanted: an Asian perspective on the freedom of religion (Eduardo Faleiro) On this matter- I would highly recommend Amartya Sen's book The Argumentative Indian that gives an excellent account of how India is steeped in a tradition of tolerence and heterodoxy (as opposed to orthodoxy). Jayant S Vaidya mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Woman priest says Mass
I have already posted my response in my reply to Mario with the necessary archived links as well as specfic quotes by Gilbert. It clearly shows Gilbert's refusal to accept the crimes committed by the church against the hindu majority during the inquisition - which included the destruction of hindu temples and their replacement with catholic churches. I am not anti catholic. I will not however tolerate attempts by people such as Gilbert to whitewash the crimes of the past. If Gilbert has since changed his mind and now accepts the truth, he should clearly say so! Marlon --- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Cornel, Thanks for coming to the source since you have not read what I have written. Yes, you and others have misconstrued me. Please repeat my request to Marlon to post the specific quote and the entire context of the quote if any. As now the virulent anti-Catholic Goans are grasping for straws and getting personal, it would suggest it is time to quit. Your silence and that of others during this intellectual discussion speaks volumes about your stand.:=)) Yet, given you past writing on this subject, can I ask you if you are a practicing Catholic? And are you part of any ministry in your Church? Kind Regards, GL --cornel Gilbert Are you seriously saying that Hindu temples were not destroyed by the Portuguese so as to build churches atop the destroyed buildings? Please clarify this point in case I have misunderstood you. Cornel _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
RE: [Goanet] Goan Taliban?
Dear Felly/Frankie, This admonition is totally uncalled for on a public Goan forum. Elisabeth eloquently states what many of us only have the courage to think (ie. those of us who do THINK). I have publicly renounced the trappings of faith in a supernatural being and have attracted my fair share of fundamentalist cursing. I hope I will not be the next target of your 'moderation' of this Goan forum. Kevin Saldanha, Mississauga, ON. -- Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:03:06 +0800 From: Felicio Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Lisa, If you truly ashamed of being a Goan in that case please stay out of Goans public forum. Seja uma senhora boa Thanks, Francis mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Woman priest says Mass
I vaguely remember this thread back in March - April 2004. I think this is the post Marlon was referring to? Marlon, please confirm The post is titled Church built on temple? http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2004-March/011273.html Here is one of Marlon's replies: http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2004-March/011298.html Here is another one of Gilbert's replies: http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2004-March/011287.html You can follow the thread on March 2004's archive page. Auri __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Goan Taliban?
Elisabeth, Welcome back :-)) I guess you can take the Goan out of Goa, but you cannot take Goa out of the Goan :-)) Now about that white picket fence...hurts me to even think about it :-)) Mario --- Elisabeth Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Francis, Thank you for the advice. I maybe ashamed to be Goan on account of the Da Vinci Code debacle but I am still a Goan and there are still Goans in Goa and in diaspora, that make me proud to call myself a Goan. No doubt, the Da Vinci episode will soon be forgotten but something very precious will have been lost. Our reputation as being progressive, tolerant and democratic. Elisabeth _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: Re: [Goanet] Theist v/s atheist?
Cornel, I regard what you say with a some deal of respect. But pray, why do you think that Mario is not one such insightful individual (see below.) Me, a simpleton for sure. On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 cornel wrote : But there are insightful individuals who have not been near any higher education and yet developed much depth of understanding of the human condition. Cornel _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] India gobbling the world
Hi Gilbert, As you know, I have felt some scepticism about India's rapid growth to super economic status in the imminent future but I dearly hope it is true and that we will not be disappointed. Cornel - Original Message - From: Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:20 AM Subject: [Goanet] India gobbling the world Yesterday's US national TV program the Nightly Business Report had a news program about Indian companies buying companies abroad. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Theist v/s atheist?
--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote: Morality does not need the compass of religion to guide it. It is inherent. Frazer in the Golden Bough, wonderfully details how societies living in isolation of each other invariably reach the same conclusion. Pyramids for example are to be found from Central America (Aztec and Mayan) to the Middle East (Egypt), without there being any trade link between these civilisations. Mario observes: Elisabeth, you are once again confusing what an organized society, even an isolated one, may cooperatively believe and impose on it's members, with individual unorganized atheists, for whom morality is what they claim it to be, and the only consequence is the law. I have repeatedly said that their personal moral code may be as good as any mainstream religion's. Or it may not be. In his staunch promotion of Godlessness, Santosh has correctly pointed out that Buddhists and Jains are technically atheists, but have high moral standards. I agree with that. Elisabeth writes: Whether this inherent morality is to be defined as God's invisible hand guiding us or whether it is just the evolutionary progression of man's intelligence is a matter of debate. Mario observes: The matter of group wisdom accumulated over millenia, voluntary acceptance of a code through membership, and the corresponding social consequences are what distinguishes a group's moral code from that of an individual unorganized person, deciding for himself or herself what to believe and when to vary. Elisabeth writes: But certainly whether one is a theist or an atheist, we have long past the point where we need a codified book to provide us with checks and balances. Mario asks: How would you even know what an individual unorganized atheist needs in terms of an acceptable moral code in comparison with a recognized mainstream religion? BTW, are you still sitting atop that pointy white picket fence?:-)) Doesn't it hurt?:-)) I thought you may have jumped off when no one was looking, since we recently caught you being ashamed of being a Catholic, which suggests public acceptance of a pretty rock solid moral code - no matter how often Santosh tries to patronize and obfuscate it. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Woman priest says Mass
Hi Gilbert In my asking you a simple question (about Catholic churches built on sites where the Portugueuse destroyed Hindu temples), I couldn't possibly misconstrue anything you might have said earlier and was not read by me. I merely joined a discussion in mid-stream and therefore still await your answer to my specific query. Yes you may ask me your question (even though you have avoiding answering at least one of my questions about your info on a highly successful Goan!). I am not a practising Catholic but I do respect those who sincerely believe in their Catholic faith. I can only hope that this will be reciprocated by some. I am definitelyu not a virulent anti-Catholic I tend to be a critic of the Church when appropriate as in the case of Catholicism co-existing with the evil of caste in Goa. I am not sure what you refer to when you say I have been silent on some matters on Goanet. I don't respond to everything for lack of time. I am sure that this must also be what you and all of us do but for one well-known exception. Regards Cornel - Original Message - From: Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:21 AM Subject: [Goanet] Woman priest says Mass Hi Cornel, Thanks for coming to the source since you have not read what I have written. Yes, you and others have misconstrued me. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] re: article on immigrant, and book on south asian women
This is for those who like to read on immigration crisis in US and related issues http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=E1_GRRNGQS Brains and borders Here's a book on immigrant women Dreams, Questions, Struggles: South Asian Women in Britain. Amrit Wilson. Pluto Press, $37.95 From schoolgirls to matriarchs, single mothers to extended families, and businesswomen to factory workers, the experience of Asian women in Britain today is polarised by class and religion. This book explores the lives and struggles of two generations of British Asian women to present a political account of their experiences: personal and public, individual and collective, their struggles take on power structures within the family, the community and, on occasion, the British state. -- I am not sure if this is a new book or a new edition. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] World Highest Railway Bridge in India Soon.
World Highest Railway Bridge in India Soon. Indian Railways is undertaking construction of the worlds highest railway bridge over the Chenab River between Katra and Laol in Jammu and Kashmir. - to be built at a hight of 359 metres over the river - 35 metres higher than the Effel Tower of Paris - Currently the world tallest bridge is on FrancesTorn river. The tallest pillar has a height of 340 metres while the actual height at which the train runs on the bridge is 300 metres. - The bridge over Chenab river will have trains running at a height of 359 metres above the river. - Constructed by Konkan Railway at a cost of Rs.512 crore. - The railway bridge between Salal and Laol railway stations near Riyasim, will be one of its kind not only in India but also in the world. - It will consist of two decks resting on an arc made of steel. The arc on which the bridge will rest will also be the largest in the world with a length of 1315 metres. - The construction work on the bridge is in full swing and if all goes well, it will be completed in 30 months time, by 2009. - Design of the bridge was drawn up with help from Leonard and Partners of Germany and Koters of Finland, the Afcons Company (India) and Koters (Finland) are assisting in the construction. JoeSays: After completion of the world highest bridge say in 2009, guess what would be the easy and hot target of kashmiri militants/terrorists ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] THE STIRRING SAGA OF NEARBY MANGALORE AIRPORT
http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=22369n_tit=Mangalore+Airp ort+Status%3A+Who's+Playing+with+our+Sentiments%3F' When the Mangalore airport started its flight operations in 1951, it was one of the historic moments for the land of Dakshina Kannada and around. During that time, not many people might have thought that it would take another fifty years for an international flight to land here ! The progress of Mangalore airport was at a snail's pace until recently. The campaign for international status to the airport was started sometime in 1971, as many people recall. Many people did their best but had to give up out of sheer despair. Now the million-dollar question. The airport is ready, the customs facility is ready, the immigration is ready...but where is the flight? Daijiworld.com played a major role in mobilizing and promoting appeals to the higher level through its reports from time to time. In Mangalore, a few local dailies have taken special interest in this issue and have been reporting regularly to highlight the need of the hour. ... ... A large number of articles, news, interviews and pictures published on this portal over the last three years are an example of efforts and interest taken by our team, whether in Mangalore, Mumbai, Dubai or elsewhere. Now hundreds of emails are flooding our mailboxes about the status of the international flight. Our team in Dubai gets calls from everywhere. Our Mangalore office is flooded with calls from aborad..'When is the first flight?' We deliver whatever news we receive from reliable sources. And we will keep updating our readers and it is our commitment than every single information received will be shared through this flatform. All we need is a little patience. We are very hopeful that the first flight will surely land very soon. Any suggestions and further efforts on the part of NRI's are most welcome. Please write to us and let us know what you, as individuals or collectively, can do towards realizing this dream. Amen and godspeed, Mangalore! _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] The Govt. Hospitals, the Nurses, th e Patients and the Patients Attendants
The Govt. Hospitals, the Nurses, the Patients and the Patients Attendants Government Hospitals such as Hospicio Magao, GMC Bambolim etc Hospicio is a world class hospital yet our Ministers, MPs MLAs will never use it. They and their family would use other private hospitals like Appolo, Viantage, NUSI etc So, who cares ?? Such a World class Hospicio (Margao) hospital that few days ago the Doctors there had to take very important decision (putting the patients life at risk)- Suspend all life saving operations as the operation theatre was declared contaminated due to a leak in the roof of OT due to rain water. Hospicio is presently an all-in-one hospital. -Dumping place for old broken hospital furniture/electrical fitting like tube lights etc, - - Dumping place for used or discarded dripping bottles etc etc. - Shelter for Stray dogs. Dogs are seen in the corridors of the Hospicio. The Nurses: The nurses are so dedicated that they will pass their duties on to the Patients attendant who according to them is a must i.e. every patient should have one. When you admit a patient and just before you leave the hospital ward, they will ask you tumcho Konn astlolo hangsor ravonk tichia or tachia borobor ? Who will be there to stay with the patient (day night)? Nurses dont clean or dress the patient (particularly the bed ridden) they will make the patient attendant to do this job. The Nurses will also tell the attendant to give tablets or medicines at so and so time. So, what is the job of our nurses ? Our nurses are well paid with other perks yet they are well known for their rudeness, laziness, carelessness etc. The Patients: You or I or our family member could be a patient one day. Most NRIs whose parents or family in Goa may say This is not for me, I would rather admit my people to pvt hospitals Will you be able to achieve this ? only the time will tell. Look at my case: My fit and healthy mother was in Goa with all her 5 children being abroad (Europe). One day, all of a sudden she had a stroke and my neighbours not knowing what to do, admitted her in GMC, Bambolim. She was accompanied by two other ladies and a man. Just before they were leaving, the nurse asked them Ticho Konn astolo hangasor ravonk? Who will be there to stay with her? The two ladies said We cannot as we have small- small children at home The man, as a last resort, said to the nurse If there is no one, then I will after trying his best to find some one (lady) within the premises of GMC who then used to charge Rs.150 per night (about 6 years ago). Finally, my friends sister who arrived there as soon as they got the news, offered to stay with my Mom day and night. Next questions you may like to ask me What about the other family ? Well, my mothers two brothers and a Sister were the first to notified but none turned up but seen shedding crocodile tears at the time of funeral typical Goans. Note: My mother was to join me in UK in July but sadly, she had the stroke in May. In the month of March I took her to Bombay for her Visa (she got family permit instead and that too free of cost. Family permit is also like a Visa but it allows you to stay in UK as long as I/son etc can legally stay in UK, and holder of such permits can come and go as many times without needing to apply for visa each time, where as Tourist visa allows only 6 month and is not extendable in UK). The Patient's Attendant: PA This person could be any one (usually a family member or neighbour) but there are many available (I Suppose) outside GMC (non-Goans) who would do the job for money. They dont have to know anything medically, not even the knowledge of patients language. Our nurses can speak Hindi any way. Their main duties are cleaning, dressing, feeding the patient, giving medicine like tablets/syrup at right time which the nurses hand over to them. So, if one dose is to be given say in the middle of the night the nurses will not wake up from their sleep at that time, they will instruct the patients attendant to do the job just before they go to bed ? I had a privilage of being one PA once (about 15 years ago old GMC). My best friend had an operation 'Piles' or 'bik' luckily I had spent only one night on the floor with full of mosquitos and other crawling creatures, he was discharged next day. Where does the patients' Attendant sleep at night ? Does he/she get a separate bed ? No. He/She sleeps on the floor by the patients side, imagine in a general ward with 10 patients with 10 patients attendants. What a safe heaven!!! You, Mr. Minister, Mr. MP and Mr. MLA, are you reading this ??? What is most important here ? or what should be our top priority here ? Mopa airport ? Da Vinci Code ? or Public Health Services ? Can you sort out your priorities now at least ? A request to all: Pl forward this to your respective MLA or MP [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related
Re: [Goanet] Theist v/s atheist?
Elizabeth Mario's rock solid moral compass is based on a simpleton's religious oriented commonsense. What would be better for him is to have rock-solid reading and engagment with theoretical ideas about how and why men/women developed morality from earliest times--well before organised religion. Seminal books by Emile Durkheim, and especially on the (moral conscience/consciousness), spell out this issue rather well among so many other thinkers/authors. Higher education is basically about debunking commonsense and being touched by thought and awareness. Some however, do go through higher education without being touched by it. But there are insightful individuals who have not been near any higher education and yet developed much depth of understanding of the human condition. Cornel - Original Message - From: Elisabeth Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Theist v/s atheist? Dear Mario, Morality does not need the compass of religion to guide it. It is inherent. Frazer in the Golden Bough, wonderfully details how societies living in isolation of each other invariably reach the same conclusion. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] GOA INITIATIVES: THEN AND NOW.......
Jean Marcos Catao, Thank you for an interesting view of education and its uses. But first, I think your explanation for lack of business drive among the Catholic Goans is pretty accurate. There have been posts on Goanet about this issue before. However, while it is probably true that most Catholic Goans do not go into business, this has been true when they have lived in fairly stable societies. When the situation became more fluid as in Kenya, after independence, it is of some interest to note how many went into business enterprises and created new jobs for themselves, and others, when businesses expanded. Some have done pretty well and the uncertainty there regarding their stay prompts them to amass as much money as possible in many cases and to have fluid money for a possible urgent getaway. However, your take on education echoed views so often heard about the utilitarian aspect of education. This is creeping in the UK strongly, when previously, education for its own sake was more significant. But then this was also because higher education was mainly a middleclass activity and as so few did go to university, graduates were guaranteed good jobs for life in virtually any subject from Latin to philosophy. In contrast, many courses or programs which were provide in American universities were scoffed at but are now well established, especially in the newer universities. I could go on re this theme but won't do so for now. I want to refer to the relative social status for different occupational groups and do a bit of contrasting between India and the UK. In India, as in the UK, the occupation and study for medicine and law generally generated high status. Historically, the arts in India did not feature highly. Yet, in the UK, after medicine and law, the arts, humanities and social sciences have attracted among the brightest of the students. Subjects like English (literature) and History competitively drawn in very large numbers of students, especially in the elite institutions. Here they read English and History rather than study it! In contrast, engineering which enjoys high status in India enjoys much lower status in the UK and many universities are closing their engineering courses for lack of students or they manage to keep some courses open by getting overseas students to fill places. The same is true for the natural sciences. Part of the reason is that, in bourgeois Britain, despite the outstanding achievements of scientists and engineers in the making of industrial Britain, the nation has sadly turned its back on such people. Consequently, their earnings are relatively low and their status even lower. I was brought up in Kenya and lived there until taking up study in London. I therefore came here with the baggage of values as in India. These were largely transferred to Kenya among the Asian population. I saw science and engineering quite positively, only to discover that the opposite tended to be true here. One of my earliest memories as a student was when a fellow student accidentally blurted that her boyfriend was an engineer but she was adamant that I should not disclose this to anyone else! She informed me that only the thickies did engineering. Of course this perception is suspect but a bit like in India, where the view is often expressed that only duffers do the arts. One explanation for this is that the UK is a post-industrial society and service industries have superseded industrial production especially where volume production mattered before. Specialised engineering does go on of course, and there tends to be work for engineers and scientists in niche areas including the production of sophisticated weaponry. However, the incomes for scientists and engineers tend to be low and rapidly changing technology makes them vulnuerable to changing work needs/demands, especially in IT. Even retraining can't keep up with changing needs and fresh younger people are looked for instead of those who are more experienced. In many non manual production fields, one is too old at 35 or 40. Finally, we have a society where it is almost proudly stated that, I can't do maths i.e even fairly elementary maths. The computer has come to the aid of such people in super-markets etc.and most other fields. I hope we can continue with this kind of discussion which is close to my heart. Perhaps you could tell me what you do and where, as I have not encountered your name on Goanet before. Cornel DaCosta, London, UK. - Original Message - From: Jean Marcos Catao To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 5:47 PM Subject: [Goanet] GOA INITIATIVES: THEN AND NOW... I wanted to make a few comments on two pertinent points/questions raised by HELGA do ROSARIO GOMES on the matter Her first question refers to the relative paucity of Goans taking initiatives in the industrial/commercial sectors. For a long time now, people have
Re: [Goanet] Re:Boycott Inox multiplex Cinema Hall for Showing theFilm, despite Ban in Goa
Hi Joe I agree with you entirely. I should very much like the Goans in Goa to show what stuff they are made of by fighting and overcoming corruption on their doorsteps. If the events relating to the Da Vinci Code in Goa are indicative that there is resistance in the Goan backbone, then hopefully, a determined effort against corruption may be next to be addressed. I will keep my fingers crossed re such a hopeful endeavour and would support it strongly. Cornel - Original Message - From: Joe Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GOANET@GOANET.ORG Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 7:14 AM Subject: [Goanet] Re:Boycott Inox multiplex Cinema Hall for Showing theFilm, despite Ban in Goa Why do some people enjoy propagating fictitious (and/or imaginary) accounts of happenings in Goa, while taking potshots from far away places? Don't Goans in Goa know what's good or bad for them, and don't they have the right to decide what's good in their interest? Let people (in Goa) stand up for what they feel is right, while those sitting on the fence can continue to be bewildered ad infinitum. :-) This is one such time that Goans in Goa have come together under one banner -- and protested en masse, irrespective of what the issue maybe facing the people. It is high time that people demonstrate to the politicians where the real power lies, and this serves as an example. Joe Vaz _ Who will win Bollywood's most coveted IIFA awards? You decide! Cast your vote! http://server1.msn.co.in/sp06/IIFA2006/static/weekend.asp _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Masses in Konkani - June 2006
Fellow netters, The dates of the Masses in Konkani celebrated by Fr Oliver Antao, Goan Chaplain, this month will be as follows : Sunday June 11th - 3.30pm, at The Holy Rood Church, Swindon Sunday June 18th - 3pm, at St Thomas Canterbury School Hall, Mitcham (also a good chance to see our new premises) Sunday June 25th - 5pm at Our Lady St Christopher's Church, Cranford Please pass on this information to anyone who you think might be interested. Further details and a schedule of forthcoming masses may be obtained by calling The Chaplaincy on 0208 665 2176 or by sending an e-mail directly to me. Fr Oliver would also like to take this opportunity to thank all who attended the first Goan Chaplaincy Day recently and made it such a resounding success. warm regards Ciril de Quadros (for Fr Oliver Antao, Goan Chaplain) 'no one is so poor that he cannot give, and no one is so rich that he cannot receive' Fr Tony Lopes Visit our website at http://www.halcrow.com The contents of this email are confidential, for the sole use of the intended recipient at the email address to which it has been addressed and do not give rise to any binding legal obligation upon Halcrow companies unless subsequently confirmed on headed business notepaper sent by fax, letter or as an email attachment. Whilst reasonable care has been taken to avoid virus transmission, no responsibility for viruses is taken and it is your responsibility to carry out such checks as you feel appropriate. Emails supplied are as found and there's no guarantee that the messages contained within the body of the email have not been edited after receipt. If you receive this email in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the message from your system. Thank you. - _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Goan Taliban?
Dear Francis, Thank you for the advice. I maybe ashamed to be Goan on account of the Da Vinci Code debacle but I am still a Goan and there are still Goans in Goa and in diaspora, that make me proud to call myself a Goan. No doubt, the Da Vinci episode will soon be forgotten but something very precious will have been lost. Our reputation as being progressive, tolerant and democratic. Elisabeth --- --- Felicio Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today, I hang my head in shame as we have proved to the rest of India that we are as intolerant as the RSS and that we are as capable of stoking religious sentiment for political gain as the BJP. I am truly ashamed of being a Goan. I am ashamed of belonging to that last bastion of the Congress stronghold known as Salcette, Goa and most of all I am ashamed of being known as a Catholic. Elisabeth --- Dear Lisa, If you truly ashamed of being a Goan in that case please stay out of Goans public forum. Seja uma senhora boa Thanks, Francis -- India.com free e-mail - www.india.com. Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for mail storage, POP3, e-mail forwarding, and ads-free mailboxes! _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Theist v/s atheist?
--- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most people know that mere assertions can never trump documented facts. That many moral teachings in religious texts are now regarded as immoral is a well-known fact. A rock solid moral compass cannot have such gaping immoral holes in it. Mario asks: Is there any way to document what an individual unorganized atheist REALLY believes? The claim above that moral teachings in religious texts are now regarded as immoral is a specious allegation, hardly well known, and is probably considered a fact only by committed atheists. I would like to see Santosh's documentation on what is immoral about the Christian Golden Rule and the Ten Commandments. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] 06.06.06 today (and 07.07.07 tomorrow....)
Re-sent 06.06.06 today (and 07.07.07 tomorrow) Tomorrow, next month, next year it would be .. 070707 or 070707070707 (read as hours/minutes/seconds/day/month/year) I gues every year we will have the abv pattern , next year being 0808080808, followed by 090909090909, 101010101010, and 121212121212 Home work: (1) And the 12 year cycle repeats all over again starting 010101010101.. after how many years ??? Any one ??? Hint: You and I wont be there for next cycle === 01 01 01 could also mean (A) 1st of January year 01 (i.e. first year after the death of Jusus Christ) (B) 1st of January year 101 (101 AD) (C) 1st of January year 201, 301, 401...901 (D) 1st of January year 1001 (E) 1st of January year 1101, 1201, 1301.1901 (F) 1st of January year 2001 Home work (2) Can it occur in the year ending in 00 e.g. year 2100, 2200 etc ? Can it occure in the year ending in 13 e.g. year 2013, 2113 etc ? If your ans is 'YES' or 'No' pl explain why ? Home work (3) How would you interpret these dates ? Give only one right ans per date which you think is correct. 1.1.1 1.1.11 1.1.111 1.1. 12.12.1212 == My neighbour was born on 10/10/10 i.e. 10th Oct 1910, don't know the hours/minutes/seconds [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ All new Yahoo! Mail The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use. - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Fr. Jorda at Loyola High School
The Jesuits were banned a third time in Portugal from operating from the Portuguese territories in 1910, when the Portuguese republic was proclaimed. The Jesuits had to function from elsewhere in Europe or from the British India! They operated in Goa from their base at St. Paul's, Belgaum. From 1940 Salazar opened the field for the Jesuits and other Portuguese Padroado missionaries after signing an «Acordo Missionário» in 1940 with the Vatican. That is when the Goa archdiocese invited Jesuits from Belgaum to take over its St. Theotonio High School in Margão. It has lost its recognition from the Bombay Board of Education for SSC. The Jesuits then invited the Bombay Province Jesuit Fr. Jorda to be the first principal of St. Theotonio High School, which was re-named Loyola High School. Fr. Jorda could only stay there for one year and it was Fr. Claude Saldanha who then took over as Principal. Within a year the school was recognized once again by the Bombay University Matric Board. I wonder if Fr. Jorda could have learned any Konkani during that short span of time, or if its was not some other Goan Jesuits, including Fr. Claude Saldanha, author of a «Short History of Goa» who prepared the material! Teotonio R. de Souza Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 01:09:08 -0400 From: eric pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Our Language Saga, Vowel Wars. To: goanet@goanet.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A Barcelona Jesuit, Pe. Jorda, published a Konkanni-English in the 40's Perhaps a first for the language. He was transferred to Brazil in the 50's, Where he served out his teaching career. I want to believe that he conducted Konkanni classes for children there, and he likely did ! Perhaps Teotonio Can tell US more. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Our Language Saga, Vowel Wars.
Since when have eminent cardiologists turned linguists? With such depth and humour, I've noticed over some time? Or am I mixing Yorrick's bro. for someone else? Whichever Eric, this IS great. Gimme more! Two bits on spoken Konkani in Goa (as I hear it.) It differs from one of Goa's river banks to the other. In a place like Salcete, from one village boundary to the other. In AVC (Assolna-Velim-Cuncolim) from one house door to another :-) -Valmiki On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 eric pinto wrote : A Barcelona Jesuit, Pe. Jorda, published a Konkanni-English I noticed a small change, however - the language has acquired a shade of marathi. they now have a new Goan bishop. I hope the man is up to his Devnagiri, because those expat Goans of many generations live and breathe marathi. With Roman, we speak alphabetic, as opposed to the Amhara-Sanskrit syllabic, 'Hav arr yoo, Pinta' is a daily greeting at work from Elena, a Russian. The Slavs use o when they mean to say a, a mix that gets fatal at a late night Kosovo ethnic ambush: Muslims say Kosovo, it is Kosova to the Serbs. We will never arrive at that. eric _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] ADC - June 7
Konkani Proverbs consisting of only two words but with a lot of meaning... Ujeant tel.Putting oil into the fire. Adding insult to injury. Kallukant pettBlows received in the dark. Purtugalacho khapurlo ..Portugese Negroes. In order to annoy the Portugese who are fair in complexion they are called Portugese Negroes. An insulting expression. Baintulo bebo... A frog living in a well. One who has no experience of the outside world. Aidonantlo Divo.The light inside a pot...refers to persons who does not share or does not make use of his learing to teach others..just as the light inside a pot which does not give its light outside the pot. Ekadashigher ShivratriEkadashi and Shivratri are both Hindu religious days of observing fast. When Shivratri is the guest of Ekadashi there is nothing but complete starvation. A beggar cannot expect anything from another begger. Moddeak boddovop...To beat a dead body. To do a thing which is productive of no good whatsoever. Kaan boroche...To fill the ears. Kumvalem katropTo cut large cucumber/pumkin...(boasting) Pintoll / Coloi geli...(Pintoll = Silver coating on brass pots/pans is gone.) One's true nature became evident. Udkantlo Kobu (Kobu = Sugar-cane) The sugar-cane standing in water. Sugar that grows in water is stout, long and looks beautiful; but it does not have the natural sweetness and juice which one finds in a sugar-cane grown elsewhere. Means grand outwardly and nasty inside. Edward Verdes Chinchinim/Mumbai/KSA _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] World Cup sweep stake.
So far we have 7 people, there are 32 teams, so need more people to come in on this one, although it has already been underwritten by one more than generous soul from Canada! The teams can be found at :- http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/t/team/qualified.html The charity has been chosen and the address to send the cheques to is on another email sent in by George Pinto. All the 32 teams names will be put into a hat and drawn one at time against the names of the the entrants, which will also be drawn but from another hat. Thanks in advance and hope to have some more of you coming in on this please! -- DIE DULCI FREURE, DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] On the banning of the Da Vinci code movie in Goa.
I believe there is more than meets the eye, in this instance. The flexing of muscles and making a point to the Right Wing Hindus, Fundamentalist Muslims, Believers and what have you, played a part. I believe Churchill could not allow himself to be shown as being gutless! Had the Catholic Goans quietly acquiesced by rolling over, maybe tomorrow they would find themselves being the brunt of, who knows?? The point being made, is that we are not ready to be taken as lambs to the slaughtering house. -- DIE DULCI FREURE, DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Journalism in Portuguese India 1821-1961
Dear Jorge / Constantino, My error, and I apologise to Constantino. What I meant to state was that Constantino was Portuguese-educated. Constantino 'Tino' Xavier is the son of a Goan as you say, hailing from Fontainhas in Panjim, if I am not mistaken. The last I heard, he was pursuing a PhD at a University in Delhi. Thanks for correcting me - I did not realise that the term continental was still in current use wrt Portugal. PS. For the information of those not in the know, Constantino is a young man who started supergoa.com website whilst still in his teens, years ago. He was also instrumental in organising various Goa-related gatherings in Lisbon, like World Goa Day and the like (contrary to the Anglicised WGD which mostly meant dances, the Lusitanian version had competitions, tours and cultural programmes). Cheers, Gabriel. --- Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Gabriel! Why do you say that Constantino is of Portuguese extraction? His father is Goan and his mother is German. Maybe (I'm not sure) he was born in Portugal. Secondly, nowadays the expression Continental Portugal is used to signify the small rectangle of the Portuguese Republic that adjoins Spain, in the Iberian peninsula; whereas the archipelagos (autonomous regions) of Madeira and the Azores constitute Insular Portugal. Jorge Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re:Boycott Inox multiplex Cinema Hall for Showing the Film, despite Ban in Goa
Why do some people enjoy propagating fictitious (and/or imaginary) accounts of happenings in Goa, while taking potshots from far away places? Dont Goans in Goa know whats good or bad for them, and dont they have the right to decide whats good in their interest? Let people (in Goa) stand up for what they feel is right, while those sitting on the fence can continue to be bewildered ad infinitum. :-) This is one such time that Goans in Goa have come together under one banner -- and protested en masse, irrespective of what the issue maybe facing the people. It is high time that people demonstrate to the politicians where the real power lies, and this serves as an example. Joe Vaz _ Who will win Bollywoods most coveted IIFA awards? You decide! Cast your vote! http://server1.msn.co.in/sp06/IIFA2006/static/weekend.asp _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] re: BBC past programmes on Goa
Mario, I know it does not matter whether Portugual recognizes the liberation of Goa or not. The post was to clarify the situation. Portuguese leaders who have visited India and everything is fine and dandy now between the two countries. See how Portugal send Aby Salem back to India to face trial? Like all colonial powers, Portugal too has been the victim of the march of democracy. Goa was a beacon for many African nations to demand independence. This in itself is a major contribution of India's take over of Goa. Eugene __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Fr Joseph Vaz: The Indian who revived Catholicism in Sri Lanka
The Indian who revived Catholicism in Sri Lanka COLOMBO DIARY | PK Balachandran June 5, 2006 In the second half of the 17th century, two important developments took place in Ceylon as Sri Lanka was then called. In 1658, the Dutch replaced the Portuguese as the European military, political and economic power; and Calvinism or Protestantism, displaced Roman Catholicism as the religion of the Christians in the island. Catholicism, which was a force to reckon with during the 150 years of Catholic Portuguese rule, almost completely disappeared. The Protestant Dutch, who saw the Catholics as a Portuguese political fifth column, persecuted them in such a way that practicing Catholicism was impossible. In the areas controlled by the Dutch, those found practicing Catholicism were fined or flogged. Their marriages and births would not be registered unless they joined the Reformed church. At any rate, they would not get any government posts or favours, though a few were tolerated for practical reasons. For decades after the exit of the Portuguese, the Catholics in the island had no priests to minister to them, no catechists to teach them, and no churches to congregate in. This had resulted in many Catholics lapsing into their traditional Buddhist or Hindu faiths. Some joined the Dutch Reformed Church for safety as well as social and economic advancement. Some remained Catholics, but they were Catholics only in name, having adopted pagan customs. Some did practice Catholicism tenaciously and secretly. But what they knew of it was precious little. But Dutch persecution was not the only reason for this pathetic condition. The way the Portuguese had gone about converting Ceylonese and the attitude of their priests were also responsible for the collapse. Many had converted to Catholicism because it brought liberation or because they were inspired by outstanding missionaries. The fishermen along the Mannar coastline, for example, were ardent Catholics because they were converted by St Francis Xavier. Over 600 of them were killed by a zealous Hindu monarch of Jaffna, and yet they did not give up. But others were converted by the use of brute state power. Prof Tikiri Abeyasinghe in his book Jaffna under the Portuguese (Stamford Lake, Pannipitya, Sri Lanka, 2005) says the predominant mode of conversion in Jaffna at least, was by official diktat and show of force. A Portuguese priest would come to a village with government officials and command the rejection of false gods and the acceptance of one true God. Fear of a fine or corporal punishment with cane and stock would ensure their (the converts') regular attendance at church on Sundays and on feast days, Abeyasinghe says. The priests exacted money from the members of their parish so harshly, that Jaffna at one stage was getting de-populated. According to Father Simon Gregory Perera, an outstanding historian of the Catholic church in Ceylon, the Portuguese had made the mistake of treating the Catholic church as an arm of the state. They saw the church and the priesthood as representatives of the political and economic interests of the Kingdom of Portugal. As a result of these political and security considerations, as well as racial prejudice, the priests were Portuguese. No Ceylonese was allowed to become a priest. And because of this, the Catholic priesthood was very small. The pastors of Ceylon were in consequence complete foreigners from the beginning to the end, apt to misunderstand the people and take little notice of their customs or the past or of the future, Fr SG Perera writes in his book Life of Blessed Joseph Vaz, Apostle of Sri Lanka (first published in 1942). Therefore, when the Dutch came, all that they had to do to break the back of the Catholic community, was to expel the few Portuguese priests who were around. Causes concern in Goa The condition of the Catholic community in Sri Lanka was causing concern in Catholic circles Goa, which was the seat of Portuguese and Catholic power in India and the Far East. But Goa was helpless. The fear of the Dutch was deep rooted and pervasive, because the Dutch were outdoing the Portuguese in ruthlessness. While Portuguese priests could be easily detected, Indian priests could infiltrate Ceylon unnoticed. But according to Fr SG Perera, Indian missionaries could not be sent to Ceylon because missionary work outside India was the monopoly of the religious orders, and these orders had closed their doors to Indians. Enter Joseph Vaz But there was one person who was determined to go to Ceylon, no matter what the danger. He was prepared to go on his own, without the aid or backing of any of the established religious orders. He was Fr Joseph Vaz, a young priest belonging to a family of Konkan Brahmin converts of Sancoale in Goa. In the words of the Belgian historian R Bowdens, Fr Joseph Vaz was a meek brown man from Goa with a cloth about his waist, begging his way and racked by fever, seeking
[Goanet] Hi Goanetters !
Hi Goanetters ! Just to say how much I enjoy this forum ! I'm originally from Goa, but practised for quite a while in the UK. I notice quite a few old friends colleagues here. Hi Jose, hello Gilbert, viva Santosh ! I've been away on holiday for a while at the Aguada, but am back now - feel free to drop me a line anytime or post any Goacentric psychiatric query online ! Viva ! Dr. Kaza Moyo. [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Goa-Mumbai bus bursts into flames; two dead
Goa-Mumbai bus bursts into flames; two dead BY HERALD REPORTER MARGAO, JUNE 5 - Tragedy struck a Mumbai-bound Goa bus late Sunday night when it hit a tree and minutes later burst into flames near Kankavali-Maharashtra leaving two dead and some injured. The accident occurred at around 10.10 pm, within 10-15 minutes after the bus (GA 09 T 4040) - carrying about 40 passengers - continued its onward journey after a halt at Kankavali for dinner. The names of the deceased were provided as Rolly Cardozo (Assolna) and Samson Fernandes (Chinchinim). Three of the injured are convalescing at GMC hospital, Bambolim for leg fracture, sources said. Incidentally, the deceased Rolly was proceeding to Mumbai following a call received from his shipping company. A passenger from Assolna, Anderson Dias (21), who escaped with a wound on his knee, told Herald that some of the passengers seated on the front and rear side of the bus sustained injuries adding some others came out of the ill-fated bus by breaking open the window panes. As soon as the news of the tragic accident reached home, relatives of the injured and the deceased rushed to Kankavali late past midnight. http://oheraldo.in/node/14795 ~(^^)~ Avelino _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] ROAD TO SAFETY
HELLO, This is to remind on the ROAD TO SAFETY ( ROAD SAFETY) Even to-day I saw an accident at Miramar near the Campal Inn. Accidents are more due to negligence on the part of the two wheelers. Are we aware of this evil? This is as bad as Davinci Code. Why there is no response to this? Are we really not interested in protecting the lives? Are we determined to have bloodbath? PROTECT THE GOAN BLOOD and then GOA. with regards, NC _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: World Cup sweepstake.
Dear Gabe, Merwyn, Jose, Aurelius, Tony and others: Thank you for using a fun event like the World Cup to raise money for a worthy Goan cause. The money donated to Goa Sudharop will be sent to one or two Goan charities in Goa who work with Seniors. It is most kind and generous of you. Donations (checks/cheques) can be made to GOA SUDHAROP and mailed to 67 KINGSTON ROAD, KENSIGNTON, CALIFORNIA, USA, 94707. I will co-ordinate with Gabe and give a full public acounting when complete. Thank you again. George Pinto --- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Goenkars! The sweep stake is on - I really would love more people to participate, although this has already been underwritten. Goa Sudharop will choose the charity to which the money will go to! The winner picks £100 or equivalent to keep the excitement. £220 or equivalent will go to charity. I shall pull the names of the teams from a hat and allocate it according to who comes in. This will be done fairly - so really don't know who will end up with the favourites! It will be fun and it is for Charity. Hopefully George will provide an address for the cheques to be sent to ? The first game starts this Saturday so please try and cough up early! -- DIE DULCI FREURE, DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Why stray dogs always will be a problem in Goa !!
-- Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members, relatives, neighbours and friends. Help others be BETTER INFORMED, The time is come for the people of Goa to ORGANISE not AGONISE !! -- Why stray dogs always will be a problem by C M Corcoran, Colva, Goa Now that the party's over and the tourists have returned home, we are faced with the problems of starving stray dogs roaming the beaches. Culling them has the charm of simplicity, but such measures have proved completely ineffective in controlling either rabies or the dog population in the past, because as long as we deliberately choose not to have our pets sterilised, whether for moral or lifestyle reasons, or just plain laziness, we will always have stray dogs. Here is a good example why. My friend called me about six months ago. 'Come and see' she cried, 'Tootsie has had puppies and they are just adorable'. Tootsie is just one year old now, and this is her second litter. Well, I went off to admire them. Two males and three females. 'We've already got homes for the two males' my friend announced proudly. 'What about the others' I asked. 'We'll see' she murmured, and I feared the worst. Later I called and asked whether she had found homes for the female puppies. She hadn't, but it didn't matter, she assured me, she had left them in Gandhi Market in Margao where local traders would look after them. She had abandoned her female puppies when they had ceased to be cute and adorable. Margao had gained another three fertile strays, capable of having up to ten puppies each year of their own. And each of those ten puppies will have at least two litters in each of the following years. In all, this one act of supreme stupidity will mean that we have around 700 new stray dogs in the next two years. My friend is one of the most vociferous voices when the subject of stray dogs comes up in conversation. They should be culled, shot, poisoned, whatever, but something must be done about the problem. I want to tell her that her actions have a consequence. I try to be positive. 'Will you have Tootsie sterilised now?' I ask. But no! they all love having her puppies around. The shocking fact is that all the stray dogs in Margoa's Gandhi Market have been collected and taken to the Goa Animal Welfare Shelter at least five times in the last 6 years for treatment. But if you visit the market today you will nevertheless see many hungry, sick, hopeless dogs and young puppies, abandoned because they are past their cuteness and probably female, and now condemned to die a slow death from starvation and illness. So the problem of stray dogs goes round in circles. Every action has a consequence. Let's make the effort to have our pet dogs and puppies sterilised and given an anti-rabies vaccine. Encourage everyone you know who owns a dog to do the same. Rather than dump unwanted puppies, call the local animal welfare organisation and ask if they could arrange adoption. Or put up a notice in your local veterinary clinic about them. The dog population will start to become stable, non-breeding, non-aggressive and rabies-free. I think the one thing everyone agrees on is that Goa has more than enough dogs, and you know it makes sense. Here is a candle to light the darkness. On 23rd March last Goa Animal Welfare Trust sterilised its 1,500th stray dog this year. This means that they have already prevented the births of something like 75,000 unwanted pups over the next 2 years. They're doing their bit. How about the rest of us? --- HERALD 22/05/06 page 10 --- - GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK -- promoting civic and consumer rights in Goa - GOACAN Post Box 187 Margao, Goa 403 601 GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Our Language Saga, Vowel Wars.
A Barcelona Jesuit, Pe. Jorda, published a Konkanni-English in the 40's, perhaps a first for the language. He was transferred to Brazil in the 50's, where he served out his teaching career. I want to believe that he conducted Konkanni classes for children there, and he likely did ! Perhaps Teotonio can tell us more. I dined a few hours ago with a group of Hindu Goans in New Jersey - mostly professionals, inmany different fields: not a word of english was heard in the room, it really was heart warming. I noticed a small change, however - the language has acquired a shade of marathi. One can attrbute it to the lifting of physical barriers with India and the permeation of the dominant culture of 200 million people on the other side of a very porous border. I am acquainted that form of the language, it was spoken by Malvan/Ratnagiri Catholic friends. They are known as 'Bardeshkars' where they live, and they now have a new Goan bishop. I hope the man is up to his Devnagiri, because those expat Goans of many generations live and breathe marathi. They are loyal, but insist on sending their children to the two Anglican marathi language schools in Bombay, The Robert Money, for boys, and St. Columba School for Girls. Mannkikar was missing today: his usual jibe in college was let me here you say conn, it's the waywe mispronounce kohn, the word for who; but it is true about every other word, for that matter, an inevitable consequence of the introduction of an alien script to a language. With Roman, we speak alphabetic, as opposed to the Amhara-Sanskrit syllabic, so it rather pleases me to hear todays catholic young, raised on devnagiri, ask for chhe-kan when they mean chick-in ! 'Hav arr yoo, Pinta' is a daily greeting at work from Elena, a Russian. The Slavs use o when they mean to say a, a mix that gets fatal at a late night Kosovo ethnic ambush: Muslims say Kosovo, it is Kosova to the Serbs. We will never arrive at that, but one can expect to be treated indifferently, at the least, if one insists on being different, and if i sound grotesque to my friend, i fully understand. eric. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: *** Goanet Reader: Wanted: an Asian perspective on the freedom of religion (Eduardo Faleiro)
On this matter- I would highly recommend Amartya Sen's book The Argumentative Indian that gives an excellent account of how India is steeped in a tradition of tolerence and heterodoxy (as opposed to orthodoxy). Jayant S Vaidya On 04/06/06, Goanet Reader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WANTED: AN ASIAN PERSPECTIVE ON THE FREEDOM OF RELIGION And stop organised drives towards conversion, reconversion By Eduardo Faleiro -- Read all Goanet messages @ : http://www.goanet.org/archive.php?name=Newslist=goanet _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Goan Taliban?
Today, I hang my head in shame as we have proved to the rest of India that we are as intolerant as the RSS and that we are as capable of stoking religious sentiment for political gain as the BJP. I am truly ashamed of being a Goan. I am ashamed of belonging to that last bastion of the Congress stronghold known as Salcette, Goa and most of all I am ashamed of being known as a Catholic. Elisabeth --- Dear Lisa, If you truly ashamed of being a Goan in that case please stay out of Goans public forum. Seja uma senhora boa Thanks, Francis -- India.com free e-mail - www.india.com. Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for mail storage, POP3, e-mail forwarding, and ads-free mailboxes! _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: DON'T FEAR DAN BROWN OR DA VINCI. BE AFRAID OF OUR OWN IGNORANCE
Chhotebhai Noronha, How do you expect us to believe you are saying truth everyone can cook up a soup very easily but digesting it is difficult. On 6/5/06, thomas azaredo wrote: DON'T FEAR DAN BROWN OR DA VINCI. BE AFRAID OF OUR OWN IGNORANCE By Chhotebhai Noronha Dan Brown's fictional work, The Da Vinci Code has sold millions of copies worldwide. The movie is now due for release. Wonder how much money Brown made out of the book, and how much more he will get out of the movie? _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Construction in Goa
HI this is anne from england , have read your report on goa , we have been coming to goa for six years as tourists we enjoy goa very much . we all have to progress building new homes lots of building going on in england for people to have houses , but please do not spoil goa with large complexes for tourists we enjoy goa as it is . some of the local people are concerned to many people who come from other parts of the world are buying houses and apartments in goa and it is putting the price up so local people cannot afford to buy. i love goa and hope to return but i sincerely hope the local people will still be able to rent or buy houses, -- Read all Goanet messages at: http://www.goanet.org/archive.php?name=Newslist=goanet _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Goa wants expats to leave
I for one beg to differ with Pushpa Mam' when she mentions that Foreigners who helped make Goa what it is today are no longer welcome to stay It's not a one sided traffic, but who ever and whereever an expat . invests in any part of the world he pumps in finance for his investments and if the business booms he would be transfering his foreign exchange to where he belongs. So a person invests and gets returns too. Goa is not what it is today because foreigners have invested in Bakeries or restaurants , why not see it the otherway round since Goa is a hot tourist destination , its portuguese culture, temples churches mosques, beaches and its beautiful landscape it becomes conducive for an investor to invest in Goa. Its a common law if i am not mistaken (throughout the world )a tourist visa is purely for tourist purposes otherwise many tourists will open up business on tourist visas and then you have problems. This even applies to Indians on tourist visas be it UK/ITALY etc. Mam'Pushpa i don't know if you have travelled around or across the globe , no matter how wealthy or rich you are opening up businesses on tourist visa is illegal that's why they have business visas, work permits , resident permits be it 5 years /6 months it varies from country to country. There is a big difference on foreigners who want to invest in Goa if its Bill Gates/Macdonald/or any big chain then it would add yet another feather on Goa. I think foreigners on tourist visas should get their legal status legalised and not hop around on tourist visas and making a mess for themselves. Bonefacio _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] The Shame on us Goans
Would not like to Postmortem the above title. In short Let Positive minded , vibrant , aggressive, honest , trustworthy , hardworking , God fearing young blood take the entire administration of Goa and then we watch the developments. I have read a lot , written a lot (including myself) on the current situation in Goa and the attitude of Goans but nothing has changed while writers write readers read but end of the day the word ACTION is missing. The title shame on us Goans should merely not be due to their inefficiency to act positively in protecting Goa and Goans at large but , its a total shame that since we keep on electing the old guards who have run out of ideas while the Goan youngsters/youth will only participate in morchas , demos, break religious structures, etc but we as youth are not ready to take the reins of the Goan admin. we do not want to be leaders but die as followers but use a shield of a third person to pull a successfull Goan who is getting successful due to his/her hard work. That's Shame on us Goenkars _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
