[Goanet] Will the political scene change with NRIs being given voting rights?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Please see this poll on The Navhind Times http://www.navhindtimes.com/mainpage.php Visitors' Parliament Will political scene change with NRIs being given voting rights? Yes No Can't Say 55% are currently (Tuesday, 1 pm) saying yes! FN -- -- Frederick 'FN' Noronha | Yahoomessenger: fredericknoronha http://fn.goa-india.org| [EMAIL PROTECTED] Independent Journalist | +91(832)2409490 Cell 9822122436 _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] John C Rodrigues, PhD. Wine-maker.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Please visit this photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/169462602/ John C Rodrigues, PhD. Wine-maker. Just look at the wide range of products he's been experimenting with. Dr Rodrigues is based at Casa Lourdes, 2nd Palvem, Chinchinim Goa 403715 Email johncdrr at sancharnet.in _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP - Junachi 20vi, 2006!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Patok vostunim nam punn vostuncho chukin upeog kelelean. (Sin is not in things but in the wrong use of things.) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Ban buying Property in Goa. Goa is Goan Future
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- PROPERTY prices in the metropolitan cities of Mumbai, Delhi, Chennai, Bangalore and Hyderabad have reached towering heights. A survey by Businessworld recently revealed that built up property prices in upmarket areas of Mumbai and Delhi had touched Rs. 2.35 lakhs and Rs. 2.10 lakhs per square meter respectively. In Bangalore and Chennai property prices have risen to Rs. 60,000 per square meter. In Hyderabad, it has soared to Rs. 40,000 per square meter. Ironically, in Pune, which is the new cyber hub, property costs more than in Hyderabad at Rs. 52,000 per square meter. Goa's attraction lies in the fact that comparatively, property in Goa is a steal. Even though prices in Goa have been rising for the past two years, they are still very reasonable in comparison to the metros. One can still buy property in Goa even at upmarket locations like Dona Paula and Miramar at around Rs. 25,000-30,000 per square meter. Prices in Porvorim, which is an emerging satellite city to Panjim, is even more affordable at Rs. 15,000 - 20,000 per square meter. For those who want to relocate and buy property in Margao and Mapusa, the prices are even more attractive at Rs. 14,000 - 15,000 per square meter and Rs. 12,000 to Rs. 13,000 per square meter in Mapusa. Compared to prime beach side locations in Mumbai and Chennai, which would cost you a whopping Rs. 2.5 lakhs per square meter, you can still get a sea facing flat in the North Goa beach belt comprising Calangute, Candolim, Baga for Rs. 30,000 per square meter and along the southern beach belt comprising Benaulim, Colva, Majorda for as little as Rs. 20,000 per square meter. Which means that property in Goa costs just a tenth of the prices in metros. It makes sense for professionals who have property in upmarket areas in the metro cities to retire to Goa. To cite an example, a senior executive sold his 900 square feet flat in upmarket Warden Road in Mumbai for Rs. 1.2 crores and he was able to secure a 1,200 square-foot flat next to the Goa Marriott Resort in Panjim for as little as Rs. 18 lakhs two years ago. This meant he could live on the interest very comfortably without working. Given the differentiation in prices, those living in the metros can buy themselves a beach side villa for one tenth the price of their property in Mumbai and Delhi and still have a large amount to spare to live comfortably after retirement. FOREIGN BUYERS GOA is also attracting a large number of foreigners who find property in Goa irresistibly inexpensive compared to their home countries in the United Kingdom, Germany or France. A beach side 500 square meter luxury villa which costs US$ 4,75,000 in Goa, costs as much as ten times more in Cannes at a whopping US$ 48,70,800. Goa is also a convenient option for foreigners as under the Foreign Exchange Management Act of 1999, any foreign resident who has lived in India for 182 days in the previous financial year is eligible to buy built up property in the state. Though this law has several restrictions, Rajendra Talak of Talak Constructions says that many builders bend laws in the state making buying property in Goa even simpler for foreigners, "The Foreign Exchange Act has many requirements that need to be fulfilled by foreigners before they are allowed to buy property in India, such as a written permission from the Reserve Bank of India. But there are a lot of builders in the state who help foreigners to by-pass laws to sell property." Says builder Joe Mathias, of Mathias Developers, on what attracts buyers to Goa. "People prefer Goa as it is a popular tourist destination. It is a hot holiday destination, not as expensive as metros like Mumbai or Delhi. It is peaceful. The food and culture is uniquely different from the rest of the country. There is easy accessibility. And of course you can buy property even in posh localities like Dona Paula for one fourth of the price in metros." But outsiders who have chosen to make Goa their home insist that it is not the affordable property prices, but the peaceful environment, friendly people and the slow pace of life that make Goa the perfect place to live in. Says Vivek Arora, a hotelier, "It is not the property prices, but our work that brought us here. And eventually we decided to settle down as we loved it here. Goa is a much better option than metros on any given day, being much cleaner and safer to live in. We also like the lifestyle here as against in North Ind
[Goanet] An insult to India
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- 19 June 2006 An insult to India M V KAMATH It is shocking, to say the least, to learn that the Pope has a poor opinion of Indian secularism. This is one country where all religions are tolerated and respected. For the Pope, therefore, to tell the Indian Envoy to the Vatican that he has been seeing 'disturbing signs of religious intolerance' in India 'including the reprehensible attempt to legislate clearly discriminatory right of religious freedom' is an open insult to India and the Pope must be told so. There is nothing reprehensible and unconstitutional in passing laws banning conversion; for years India has been too liberal and allowed conversion to be carried out. Conversion is not about human rights. It is an assault on the dignity and self-respect of an ancient civilisation that cannot be tolerated. It is India's tolerance that has been its undoing in the past and created all sorts of troubles. Christians have been living peacefully with their Hindu neighbours despite an inglorious missionary past and the Pope's uncalled for interference with India's cultural traditions will only add salt to ancient wounds. It is true that many Hindus in years gone have accepted Christianity, on their own. But the despicable manner in which Christianity - especially the Roman variety - was imposed on Hindus in Goa needs to be retold for the Pope's information and guidance. In 1541, the Roman Catholic Church adopted a policy called, incongruously 'Rigour of Mercy' under whose auspices Hindu temples - hundreds of them - were destroyed, land was seized and monies forcibly raised to finance the building of churches and missions. There was widespread destruction of Hindu shrines. Temples were defiled with the entrails of the sacred cow, Hindu images were smashed and golden idols melted down to make candlesticks for local churches. The priest who brought the Inquisition to India was Francis Xavier. The Inquisition was the blunt instrument of Christian fundamentalism and an institution of terror that has left scars imprinted on Goan society to this day. An edict of the Goa Inquisition was issued for new converts and it included the following: (a) a ban on Hindu musical instruments at weddings (b) a ban on sending the bride and groom 'any gift of flowers, betal leaves, areca nuts or fried cakes (c) Relatives should not strew flowers or sprinkle scented water on the married couples... It is a long list. Any convert who slipped into ancient Hindu ways was brutally assaulted. No one was allowed even to grow a tulsi plant in a Christian house. As Edna Fernandes notes in her book Holy Warriors, 'the Inquisition aimed to destroy that part of Goan identify, stripping out the Hindu ways... it was a brutal process'. The manner in which Hindus and especially converted Hindus revering their ancient traditions were burnt to death at the stake. Various orders were issued to entrench Christianity in Goa and bolster the power of the Church. Edna Fernandes recalls how, on 2 April, 1560 the then Portuguese Viceroy D Constantino de Braganza ordered a large number of Brahmins into exile. Many of them lost all their property and this led to a mass migration of Hindus. Torture was used extensively to make sure that the Inquisition was obeyed. Typical Inquisition methods of torture included use of pulleys, the rack, thumbscrews, Spanish boots or leg-crushers. Spiked wheels were drawn over then victim's body with weights placed on the feet. Boiling oil was poured on the legs, lighted candles held under the victims' armpits and burning sulphur to eat into bare flesh. All these tortures were carried out in a complex comprising a chapel, a House of Penitence, the Perpetual prison and the House of Torture - described in M V Abroo's Navacao de Inquisicao de Goa. The Inquisition finally ended in 1812 and between 1828 and 1830 the government of Goa ordered the torture house to be destroyed. In 1878, J N Fonseca said in An Historical and Archaeological Sketch of the City of Goa that the demolition uncovered several chilling secrets. As he noted: 'The labourers who were employed in its removal discovered a subterranean staircase and human bones buried under a thick piece of lead of the shape of a whale or a boat'. The Pope owes an apology to Hindus and to India on bended knees. Even more importantly, he
[Goanet] Re: the Missing "Lies" post : OSS: Opinion, Statement et Spin about 1961
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- From: "colaco1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on [GoenchimXapotam] June 15, 2006 This is NOT the first time that GoaNet has allowed a LIE to go through. On a previous occasion, my answer to that LIE was censored. Let's see what happens to the LIE in Cornel's post -- "Frederick Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: on [GoenchimXapotam] June 16, 2006 Unless I'm missing something, this post hasn't yet come up for approving on Goanet. May I ask JC to repost it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- so that we don't have further allegations hurled in the future? Interesting to see how a DISCUSSION on Portugal's environment in turning into a debate on "censorship" on Goanet. --FN --- JC's response on Jun 19, 2006: 1. First of ALL, besides Fred Noronha's posting of what I thought was an excellent article by Mario de Queiroz re Portugal's environment, I do not see any DISCUSSION on GoaNet about the said article. If Mr. Fred Noronha sees any "DISCUSSION" on Portugal's environment on GoaNet, he is free to point me in that direction. Unless of course, Mr. Noronha finds the following to be the "DISCUSSION" he refers to: http://www.goanet.org/post.php?name=News&list=goanet&info=2006-June/date&post_id=043713 2. In any event, the following is the post that Fred has suggested I send to the correct address for GoaNet. I do so for the record. sincerely jose colaco June 19, 2006 = For the Record = OSS: Opinion,Statement et Spin about 1961 and alleged theories Wed May 31 03:48:49 PDT 2006 re: 1. Fred Noronha may wish to publicly identify the GUYS who HE says " propound this colonialism-started-in-1961 theory" Fred Noronha wrote: Bernardo, Paulo and Jose, for instance. > == June 2, 2006 jose colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Now that Fred has stated the above, He will surely provide us PROOF that Paulo and Jose (atleast) have propounded "this colonialism-started-in-1961 theory" IF he does not, he is Lying. Mario Goveia observed: With all due respect, I think you are out-of-line in your ill-advised, demeaning and intemperate comments above accusing Fred Noronha of "Lying" if he doesn't provide adequate "PROOF" satisfactory to YOU about an OPINION he has formed about you, Bernardo and Paulo. = Dear Mr. Gouveia, Anyone is entitled to his or her opinion - that includes Mr. Fred Noronha, You and Me. Fred Noronha has stated that "mainly those Colaco types. Bernardo, Paulo and Jose" as GUYS he (Fred) says " propound this colonialism-started-in-1961 theory" According to you, Mario ..That is Fred's opinion. Now here is mine: Until Fred provides us PROOF that Paulo and Jose (atleast) have propounded "this colonialism-started-in-1961 theory", he is Lying. It is as simple as that. Fred Noronha does not have to provide ANY "adequate "PROOF" satisfactory to" Jose. All he has to do is to provide PROOF. Until that time, It is MY opinion that Fred Noronha has LIED. jc please visit "NEW" on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Goa History: Destruction of Temples/In defense of Marlon
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Dear Mario, I don't know how well you know Marlon but I've known Marlon Menezes for 7 years and counting, and yes he does support numerous causes, especially in Goa. While we constantly take liberties at belittling another people's points of view or arguments, please let us stop short of belittling other people's character, reputation and achievements. In all the years that I've know Marlon, he's never treated me with disrespect and that is as Christian as one gets. Elisabeth - > > > The one thing we can be sure about based on > extensive > evidence in the archives is that his spin will be > consistently anti-Christian on the grounds that he > is > really doing Christians a favor by "exposing their > insecurities". This is accompanied by the sophistry > > that he is really not anti-Christian because he > supports freedom of religion and that he has > contributed to Christian causes, which I'm sure he > has > the receipts and cancelled checks to prove:-)) > > > > > > _ > Do not post admin requests to the list. > Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re:Boycott "Inox multiplex Cinema Hall" for Showing the Film, despite Ban in Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- --- Joe Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joes Response: > Who are these minority extremists? What is your > source and proof that I > have chosen the side of extremists (majority or > minority)? --- Come on Joe. You have sided with the goons who threated violence to ensure that the owners of the INOX pulled the movie out and then attributed this as being a democratic! > What good is a religious following, if we cannot > respect, have compassion > and tolerance for one anothers religion? If I had a > Hindu neighbor to my > right and a muslim neighbor to my left it wouldnt > make a difference to me, > for as long as we all lived in harmony with mutual > respect for one another. -- It is good that you state this. However, you seem to contradict the above, with your support for the use of threats and violence to impose a ban on the movie. Totally inconsistent. > Joe Vaz: > Isnt it ridiculous that you dont even know who > owns (or is founder of) > www.catholic-goan-network.net? Yet you somehow > support it? Strange! > I think you need to be clear-headed Marlon, when you > write. Check the facts > first, before making nonsensical allegations and > spurious statements. First > of, who tells you that I own Goan Catholic Network > or am the founder of it? > In that, what do you mean by YOUR goan catholic > network? ---> Duh, I do know who founded the network and I have even met him. You are one of the core founding members of the group who was involved in its setup. > Joe responds: > You avoided my direct question regarding casualties. > Wonder if you have an > answer to defend your specious statements. ---> The casualty was freedom of expression. The only reason why there were no physical casualties was because the owners of Inox withdrew the movie. Again, it is a real pity that you backed the potential use of violence to support your religious cause. > Politicians always make threats, are you from Mars? > How about the US? Do > you have anything to learn from the US politics, in > terms of threats and > war? Or are you deep in the Valley, not to know > whats going on in your own > backyard? --> Political loud talk and manouvering is quite different from the treat of use of physical violence against specific individuals. Can we say Mob rule? Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote: >[Marlon: The server/mailing list should have no problems handling a list >that is much larger.] > Joe: Good! Then this issue is NOT a (technical) > problem. > In a related message: Marlon Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> made a final admission: The server/mailing list should have no problems handling a list that is much larger. I guess it is a question of posting repititious messages .. My statements above are quite consistent. There was no issue with load on the server handling the volume. The real issue what that, we previously had dozens of posts from goanetters wishing each other on a particular festive occassion, thus causing major problems for the users in Goa. We were simply being diligent to ensure that this be avoided again. In every public forum, there will always be some give and take. Furthermore, with improvements and lower costs of connectivity in Goa, this issue would no longer be valid today. >Joe responds: >Check it out yourself, Marlon! There were a few >congratulatory >messages >posted by Goanetters among these were messages on >your wedding. I, >however, wish you well. The others were >congratulatory posts >felicitating >your organization (at least one of these >congratulatory messages was >from >me,) to which I most certainly take no objection, -- >and were posted in >or >around the same time you raised objections regarding >the two Dussehra >greetings posting. --- It is very unlikely that I would have been administering goanet and be getting married at the same time! Furthermore, let me make it clear that I DID NOT appreciate my personal life being made public on goanet via those greetings that were made to me. These posts were not initated by me, nor was I admin at that time. Your claims that I approved posts touting my personal life on goanet is again fraudulant, just as your claim about yahoo groups. Marlon _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] [JudeSundayReflections] Sunday Reflections: Twelfth Sunday of the Year
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- 20-Jun-2006 Dear Friend, Although we have learned to harness and control some of the forces of nature in a limited way with modern science and technology, there will always be some forces beyond our control and subject only to the control of God. We like to be in charge and control our destinies but often in life we lose control and are at a loss to direct our lives the way we want. In these moments our vulnerabilities are exposed and we question God or cry out to him. Scripture reminds us that He is Lord and master at all times, even when we doubt him. Have a 'holding-on-in-faith' weekend! Fr. Jude Sunday Reflections: Twelfth Sunday of the Year In the eye of the storm the Lord's there. 26-Jun-2006 Readings: Job 3: 1, 8-11; Corinthians 5:35-41; Mk 4:35-41; The first reading from the book of Job projects not the patient Job but the angry Job, full of questions at what he perceives are the injustices that God allows in his world. "Why doesn't God do something?" "Why can't he put things straight?" "Why does he let the innocent suffer?" Why does not God answer? In return, God questions Job. Does Job understand the many simple mysteries of nature: Who sets the limits for the seas? Who shut the sea with doors? Who is in command? How does it happen? If Job cannot answer the simple questions of nature, how can he question God about the complexities of life? In the bible the sea is seen as the refuge of evil powers; human suffering, consequently, can be described as a storm. But has not God created and mastered the sea? So too he can say to suffering: "Come thus far, and no further." Do we put God to the test when we are in difficulty? Do we have the right to demand answers? "I say my prayers when it's calm." There is a story of about a sea captain who in his retirement skippered a boat taking day-trippers to Shetland Islands. On one trip the boat was full of young people. They laughed at the old captain when they saw him saying a prayer before sailing out, because the day was fine and the sea was calm. However they weren't long at sea when a storm suddenly blew up, and the boat began to pitch violently. The terrified passengers came to the captain and asked him to join them in prayer. But he replied, "I say my prayers when it's calm. When it's rough I attend to my ship." -There is here a lesson for us. If we cannot and will not seek God in quiet moments of our lives, we are not likely to find him when trouble strikes. We are more likely to panic. But if we have learnt to seek him and trust him in quiet moments, then most certainly we will find him when the going gets rough. Flor McCarthy, in 'New Sunday & Holy Day Liturgies' The second reading from Paul to the Corinthians reflects of the call to live new lives. The apostles knew Jesus in human fashion but they had to approach Jesus in faith to understand him. Jesus died so that all men might be saved and might live no longer for themselves but for him. To grasp Jesus in this sense is to live as new men, no longer centered on oneselves but on the Lord, the fountain of life. God is like a life belt? One day while on a journey across the country, a man came to a river. While attempting to cross the river, the current swept him off his feet, and to his horror he found himself being carried down river. Unable to swim all he could do was cry out for help. Luckily an alert passer-by heard his cries and threw a lifebelt to him. He grabbed the lifebelt and held on for dear life with both hands until he was pulled ashore. There he quickly recovered from the shock. Then he put the lifebelt back in its place on the riverbank and resumed his journey. -Pretty well everyone turns to God in times of danger. We see this example in today's Gospel. In their grave need the apostles cry out to Jesus for help: "Lord save us. We are going down." There are some who turn to God only then. For such people God is their lifebelt -useful in crisis but otherwise useless. But for people of faith God is the air they breathe, the bread they eat, the path they walk, everything. Flor McCarthy, in 'New Sunday & Holy Day Liturgies' In today's gospel Mark tells us that Jesus was right there with his disciples, in the boat, in the middle of the storm, sleeping. It was he who took the initiative of crossing the lake. After the fatigue of the day, he fell asleep. He slept even when it began
Re: [Goanet] Goa History: Destruction of Temples
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- The date quoted by me regarding the Inqusition was made from memory. I stated there was a 100 year gap between the original Portuguese conquest of Ilhas versus your statement below of it being 50 years. What is clear is that your own dates verify my statements and contradict your claims that the temples were destroyed as part of general military action that was not connected with religion. Your statements below clearly show that the inquisition took place a couple of decades after the Portuguese took over the coastal regions. Thank you. Marlon --- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Re: The destruction of Hindu Temples to build > Churches > This post should be called: Revision class on Goa's > history! > > Hi Marlon, > > In your last post you claimed some historical facts. > You did so with much confidence (to prove me > wrong!). Obviously as a smart individual, you would > not be making a fool of yourself. So, I can only > blame the authors of the books and web pages that > you read (as obviously you, like me, were not there > in the 16th century). > > Yet the more you and others write THE FACTS, the > Albuquerque achieves his Goa victory on November 25, > 1510. > The Portuguese acquire Bardez and Salcette in 1543. > > The inquisition was introduced to Goa in 1560. > Now please read what you have written below in your > own handwriting. > Then compare your dates to the remainder of the > history posted after your post. > Kind Regards, GL _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] ENGLISH TO DENY OFFICIAL STATUS TO KONKANI ROMI LIPI?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- On 19/06/06, godfrey gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is shocking to learn from the Honorable Minister for Education, Mr Luizinho Faleiro M.Com, LL.B that the reason for introducing English at the primary level from this academic year 2006-2007 is owing to the fact that there was a 40% rate of drop outs at the Primary school level as the students studying in Konkani (in Devanagari script the official language NOT Roman script) and Marathi were unable to come to terms with English at the V Standard onwards. RESPONSE: It is good that you are exposing the Hon MLA. Could you please confirm that the Hon MLA is a certified holder of M.Com and LLB by examination, or has he been bestowed the titles as an honorary? -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Will the political scene change with NRIs being given voting rights?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- On 20/06/06, Frederick Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please see this poll on The Navhind Times http://www.navhindtimes.com/mainpage.php Visitors' Parliament Will political scene change with NRIs being given voting rights? Yes No Can't Say 55% are currently (Tuesday, 1 pm) saying yes! FN -- RESPONSE: What is the basis of this Poll? The NRIs will constitute just a very small percentage of the Voters! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re: DEAR AUNTY - No. 9: WEEKLY HUMOR :-))
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Hi Francis I'd like to echo George's sentiments about your humour. I haven't stopped laughing at times. Please keep it up. You have an eager audience amongst some of us. Regards Cornel - Original Message - From: "George Pinto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:00 AM Subject: [Goanet] Re: DEAR AUNTY - No. 9: WEEKLY HUmour --- Francis Rodrigues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DEAR AUNTY - No. 9: WEEKLY TOP 12: __ 1. DEAR AUNTY, The U.S. drew Italy with only 9 of 11 men at the World Cup. How?Osama ... Dear Osama:Isn't it obvious ? They're experts at 9/11 ! Hi Francis Although corny at times, your weekly humour is a delightful addition to Goan cyberspace. More significant, is your great talent at word play and connecting seemingly unrelated dots to generate humour. Like Dominic's attempt, can we expect a book soon with these compilations? Keep it up. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] 1700 hrs and it's pouring in Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- 1700 hours on Tuesday, and it's really pouring in Goa. After a longish monsoon break (following an early start to the rains), we're having torrential rains once again. In recent years, amidst talk of climate change (aka global warming), we are seeing a lot of extremities in weather condition. When it rains, it really rains heavily. When it doesn't, it's dry for days. And, has anyone studied the earlier-believed (and apparently true) corelation between phases of the moon and the weather? Farmers and agriculturists in Goa generally calculate a good planting season by looking at the 'omas' and 'punov' (full and new moon) on the local almanacs. FN -- -- Frederick 'FN' Noronha | Yahoomessenger: fredericknoronha http://fn.goa-india.org | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Independent Journalist | +91(832)2409490 Cell 9822122436 _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Attention Paulo Colaco: Goanet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Hi Paulo Every discussion list needs to take stock periodically of its role, purpose, etc. and change with the times. Some are able to reinvent themselves and survive. I am curious in reading your comment yesterday, what changes you would make to Goanet. I am open-minded about this topic and eager to hear your view. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Laterite quarries of Goa...
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Some time back, I came across this very interesting two part study from BASIN (Building Advisory Service and Information Network), which looked in close at the laterite quarries in Goa. Part 1 deals with 'Observation on techniques, wages and finances', while the Part 2 looks at 'Observations on regulation and environmental issues'. BASIN was set up in 1988 to "provide information and services on appropriate building technology and to create links with know-how resources in the world for all those in need of relevant information". You could probably get more information from the German Appropriate Technology Exchange at Eschborn in Germany [EMAIL PROTECTED] QUOTE: The TERI (then, still the Tate Energy Research Institute) team went out looking for some clear benchmarks present or evolving in Goa's laterite stone quarries. Laterite is the most popular building stone in Goa as it is available locally and is cheap and quite reliable Nearly two-thirds of Goa is covered with laterites ranging from a couple of metres thickness to 25 metres. The laterites are thickest in the western and thinnest in the eastern parts of the state. The laterites in Goa are relatively young in age and are close to the surface. The rocks not only provide the Goans with building stone but also serve as good water bearing formations" BUT ALSO NOTE: "Women workers are in great demand at the quarries. Not only do they come cheaper, but they also create less trouble for the quarry operators as they tend to be more disciplined and do not miss work because of drinking. Let alone the practice, even the concepts of worker safety and health care are alien at the quarries. Allownace for using makeshift masks to avoid dust getting into the mouth is the ultimate kindness afforded. Illness among the workers and their children is common." AND: "The laterite quarries in Goa are predominantly working in a governance vacuum. The quarry operators and labour contractors do, more or less, as they please and the government officials ignore this." Other interesting issues, including the laws and rule that govern the extraction of laterite stones -- the Goa Daman and Diu Minor Mineral Concession Rules (MCR) of 1985, environmental issues relevant to the field, leases for mining laterite in Goa Interesting, on the photos in these brief studies shows the home of a former politician, built in costly exposed laterite. At the time, the talk was that this stone (probably from outside Goa's borders, with stone increasingly becoming costly in Goa due to the building boom here) had been 'presented' by a plush client whose home the politician in question had approved while heading some planning body. And what's interesting is that if one looks at the stone between these two homes, it's almost exactly the same! So here's something for research in the field of public accountability and misuse of office too, for researchers in the field of political science. FN -- -- Frederick 'FN' Noronha | Yahoomessenger: fredericknoronha http://fn.goa-india.org| [EMAIL PROTECTED] Independent Journalist | +91(832)2409490 Cell 9822122436 -- AsiaCommons' blog http://www.asia-commons.net/blog/39 _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] 1700 hrs and it's pouring in Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Dear Fred, If you haven't already watched the Al Gore movie, An Inconvenient Truth, do watch it. You'll enjoy it and find it of interest. Elisabeth --- > In recent years, amidst talk of climate change (aka > global warming), we > are seeing a lot of extremities in weather > condition. When it rains, it > really rains heavily. When it doesn't, it's dry for > days. > > And, has anyone studied the earlier-believed (and > apparently true) > corelation between phases of the moon and the > weather? Farmers and > agriculturists in Goa generally calculate a good > planting season by > looking at the 'omas' and 'punov' (full and new > moon) on the local > almanacs. FN __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Goanet Reader: Puzzle wrapped in an enigma, understanding Konkani in Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- PUZZLE WRAPPED IN AN ENIGMA: UNDERSTANDING KONKANI IN GOA By Pratap Naik, S.J. Pre-liberation Goa: During Goa's pre-liberation period, members of the majority community and common folks of the minority community, for their oral communication, used Konknni. The majority community used Marathi for primary education, for popular religion, accounts, written communication, theatre and other spheres of their lives. The elite of the minority community used Portuguese at home and for education. They used Konknni to converse with the majority community and common folks of the minority community who did not know Portuguese language. Portuguese was considered the language of the cultured. The elite of the minority community looked down on Konknni as a language of the servants and the socio-economically backward commonfolk. Konknni in the Roman script was used for popular religious practices and by the mass media. Konknni written in the Devanagari script hardly existed during this period. It had practically no influence over the members of the majority community too. Marathi also enjoyed a privileged position among the majority community, which identified Marathi as their intellectual and cultural language. However there was no animosity or rivalry among the users of these three languages. These three languages co-existed with unity and harmony. In the post-liberation period: After 1965, in keeping with the teaching of the Second Vatican Council, the Catholic Church all over the world replaced Latin by local languages for the religious domain. Due to this, in Goa too, the Church actively promoted religious services in Konknni. The Church contributed to standardize Konknni in the Roman script, which had its roots in sixteenth century. Let us call this dialect as Roman Script Standard Konknni (RSSK). After the liberation of Goa, Konknni language suffered a number of setbacks. This happened due to partly lack of vision and leadership on the part of the minority community, and partly due to the manipulative tactics used by self-proclaimed protectors of Konknni. *** After the liberation of Goa, Catholic schools introduced Konknni in the Devanagari script as a third language in their schools. The Devanagari proponents succeeded to convince a few leaders of the minority community that the Devanagari script is the "natural script" of Konknni and it is related to our nationalism and patriotism! Majority of the students were from the Catholic community. They were familiar with the Roman script and the RSSK dialect due to religious literature and mass media. But the RSSK dialect was not taught in schools. A different dialect was thrust upon them in the name of Konknni and nationalism. According to Ulhas Buyanv, one of the stalwarts of Opinion Poll in Goa and veteran Konknni singer, "a Konknni dialect of three per cent of a minuscule section of the majority community was forced upon 30% minority community." Students of the minority community who had opted for Konknni had no real option. They were not familiar with Marathi. Besides they never identified with Marathi as their language. Between Marathi and Konknni, they were pushed to take Konknni in Devanagari script. Students learnt Konknni not out of conviction or love of Konknni, but out of sheer compulsion. Therefore, they never took interest in keeping up the language they learnt. Once they finished their education, they simply gave up reading and writing Konknni in the Devanagari script. This situation created a strong feeling of dislike towards Konknni in the Devanagari script among the minority community. If the textbooks had included the Konknni dialect of the majority community and the RSSK dialect of the minority community, this unhealthy tension could have been avoided and a healthy blending of two dialects would have helped to promote a new standard dialect of Konknni in Goa. Dialects and scripts are emotional issues. In a democracy, one group cannot impose their preferences on the others. Language is far more important than its scripts. Unfortunately, among a section of Konknnis (or, Konknni speakers) the Konknni language was identified with the Devanagari script. *** Schools run by the majority community promote more of Marathi compared to Konknni. As on September 30, 2004, there were 137 Konknni medium primary schools ru
[Goanet] RE: CORRECTION: Boiling Temp: Equation:
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Cornel, I've received a number of requests to reprint our sage's eminent proof - it seems that not only are there many mathematically curious souls on Goanet, but that the math symbols turned gibberish on some computers. I have to confess I pasted our sage's proof directly from the 'Toledo Observer's' pdf files, hence the carry-over of code for the symbols. I'm re-typing his proof, trust you will take note of his vast knowledge: Given:a + b = c. Reverse: c = a + b. This can also be written as: (4c - 3c) = (4a - 3a) + (4b - 3b). After reorganizing: 3a + 3b - 3c = 4a + 4b - 4c. Taking the constants out of the brackets: 3(a + b - c) = 4(a + b - c). Remove the same term left and right: Thus 3 = 4. With regards, FR. .. Cornel to Mario: Also, please stop kidding us about your science knowledge and nonsense... ...provisionally constructed knowledge, as a heuristic device to make sense of chaos in the world including that 2+2=4. Mario to Cornel: Your pictures are excellent, so we'll allow you a little vanity. But, remember, like the sum of 2 + 2, this, too, is "provisional", and we will not hesitate to puncture your vanity if conditions change :-)) . _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] ENGLISH TO DENY OFFICIAL STATUS TO KONKANI ROMI LIPI?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- About Mr Luizinho Faleiro M.Com, LLB... Yes he is holding the M.Com and LLB Certificates by examination. He used to work for Zuari Agro Chemicals that time and he use to come to work by his old "Rajdoot" motorbike. And after he got elected as MLA & Now Minister... He own a Banglow, many cars, Keserval Motel, land at many places & etc etc >From Zero to Hero?? "May peace prevail on earth" Borge. - --- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * > F * I * E * D * S * > > Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA > from November to May > There is no better, value for money, guest > house. > Confirm your bookings early or > miss-out > > Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for > details/booking/confirmation. > --- > On 19/06/06, godfrey gonsalves > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It is shocking to learn from the Honorable > Minister > > for Education, Mr Luizinho Faleiro M.Com, LL.B > that > > the reason for introducing English at the primary > > level from this academic year 2006-2007 is owing > to > > the fact that there was a 40% rate of drop outs at > the > > Primary school level as the students studying in > > Konkani (in Devanagari script the official > language > > NOT Roman script) and Marathi were unable to come > to > > terms with English at the V Standard onwards. > > RESPONSE: It is good that you are exposing the Hon > MLA. Could you > please confirm that the Hon MLA is a certified > holder of M.Com and LLB > by examination, or has he been bestowed the titles > as an honorary? > > -- > DEV BOREM KORUM. > > Gabe Menezes. > London, England > > _ > Do not post admin requests to the list. > Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Flexible code - response to Dr. Helekar
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Dear Santosh: I couldnt agree with ou more! In my opinion the ten commandments can be abstracted into two basic ones. The first four are of the "My way or the highway" kind and are reflective of the intolerant nature of the semitic religions and their presumed monopoly over the "truth" The next six can be summed up into : "Do unto others what you would want others to do unto you". I sincerely believe that no religious foundation is required for good moral conduct and if everyone sincerley believed in "do unto others what others." then the world would have been a lot peaceful place wihout satis,witch burning, untouchability, apartheid,inquisitions and genocides. Just my humble two cents. vivek __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] TIATRISTS SOUND A WARNING BELL -"KONKANI ROMI LIPI ATA ZAI"
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Ar a meeting held at the Our Lady of Grace Church hall this evening at 1700 hrs organised by the Thomas Stephen Konkani Kendr over thirty tiatrists and few other lovers of Konkani in Roman sript, chalked out the future course of action, keeping in mind the forthcoming month long monsoon session of the Goa Legislative Assembly beginning 10th July, 2006. At the outset Fr Pratap Naik sj Director of TSKK explained "de novo" to the tiatrists that the Official language Act of 1987 had through section 2(c) Konkani language means Konkani language in Devnagari script. divided the Goans and that there is every possibility that both the Konkani language will be extinct and the Goans will be nowhere. He explained that the battle for Konkani as a language began in 1975 when the Sahitya Akademi recognised Konkani as an independent language --- but emphasised that there was no mention of script and that recognition of any language as an independent language does not demand that a language has a script On 21st November, 1981 the Advisory Council for Konkani at the Sahitya Akademi New Delhi (there are such councils for different languages) which constituted a majority of persons from Goa who were only for Konkani in Devanagari script, decided UNANIMOUSLY THAT DEVANAGARI was the natural script for KONKANI with this one decision Roman and other scripts like Kannada Urdu or Malayalam script were discarded by a few persons who had cunning motives. On 4th February, 1987 the Official language Act made a cunning mention of Konkani only in Devanagri script, but at that juncture the most important thing in the minds of Goa was a fear of merger as "we were still an Union Territory "and therefore most of the votaries of both scripts for Konkani ignored this then. On 20th August, 1992 Konkani was included in the VIII schedule of the Constitution (this is a schedule which lists all the languages granted official languages )here too the script was not mentioned. Why then demand for Konkani in Roman script now? The demand for Konkani in Roman script has been there from times immemorial with the people of Goa. It is the Roman script that kept the language alive when it was condemned by many. The Church fully supports it and knowing this has come out with the "Povitr Pustok" the Bible in Roman script Konkani. The fact that nearly 40,000 have booked copies and demand for more is already there signifies that the Roman script is alive and kicking notwithstanding the mischief played by a small cunning section. Today day when the Government wants to give grants NOT ASSISTANCE (IZMOLL) they give it only to Konkani Devanagari script because of the definition in the Official Language Act. If only the word Konkani was mentioned without insisting on only devanagari script then every script would get a share in the Government treasury for the language irrespective of the script. Also note that when Govt spends money it has to be budgetted and accounted under a specific head and this is available for Konkani only in Devanagari script. Thus if any of the undermentioned quasi government offies or the government bodies viz; Kala Academy Goa Konkani Academy Goa Marathi Academy Directorate of Offical Languages Directorate of Culture give grants or have schemes it is only meant for Konkani in Devanagari script and NOT FOR Roman script So what happens a) tiatrists to do not get financial assistance or subsidy for promoting "teatrs" b) they cannot use Government halls of the Ravindra Bhavans, Kala Academy free of cost or at concessional costs or at subsidised costs to perform c) there are no funds provided for the Goan cultural troupes -- by Goan cultural troupes one means those promoting pre colonial culture before 1510 and the colonial cultural troupes upto 1961 which includes dalo fugdi mando dulpods tiatrs etc; d) jobs in the Government go only to those who speak and write Konkani in Devanagari script e) Goa Mando festival is not given grants but "izmoll" assistance depending on which Minister comes to grace the ocassion f)the Goa Konkani Academy has a full fledged office an official car, perquisites for its President equivalent to Class I Gazetted officer, he can travel by air ist class Railway wine and dine at Government Hotels Circuit House in Goa and live in the Goa Sadan at Juhu or Delhi g) literary books are published in Konkani Devanagari script because they get subsidy and no one reads the
[Goanet] Journalism in Portuguese India 1821-1961
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- "He could have given me a simple answer and I would have been more than happy. However, I got a 'mouthful' instead before I could even duck! So, where was my misunderstanding in the first instance? I did not even have the time nor opportunity to misunderstand Constantino!" Dear Prof. Cornel, in regard to what you say above, to Paulo, it seems there is some misunderstanding and that you felt offended by my first reply to your "continental Portugal" query. http://goanet.org/post.php?name=News&list=goanet&info=2006-June/author&post_id=043286 Let me assure you that I never intended to give you a 'mouthful' and never intended to disrespect you in that e-mail. And me being a post-gradute student, I did not mean by any means to be sarcastic or ironic in addressing you with "Prof.". This is the way I also address Prof. Teotonio de Souza, whom I know for a long time and I am quite close to. It's an academic sign of respect. I hope you understand and accept my apologies in case you feel hurt by any remark I could have possibly made against you. Regards, Constantino _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Goa History: Destruction of Temples/In defense of Marlon
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- > Dear Mario, > I don't know how well you know Marlon but I've known > Marlon Menezes for 7 years and counting, and yes he > does support numerous causes, especially in Goa. > While > we constantly take liberties at belittling another > people's points of view or arguments, please let us > stop short of belittling other people's character, > reputation and achievements. In all the years that > I've know Marlon, he's never treated me with > disrespect and that is as Christian as one gets. > Elisabeth I second this... Auri __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] The Dangers of certain topics (relating to Churches)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- --- Elisabeth Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't mean to be Chicken Little here, but in a > moment I will seem to be. I haven't followed the > discussion about Catholic Churches being built atop > Hindu temples in its entirety, just in bits and > pieces. While I certainly don't want to advise > anyone on what to discuss, I think in the political > climate that we live in today. Christians have to > show some responsibility in the assertions that > they make. > Mario adds: > Elisabeth, > Very well said indeed, with one small correction. It is not practicing Christians who are making the assertions but former Christians who are well known on Goanet for Christian-bashing. > Mario. > _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Goan discussion on degrees of affiliation to different faiths
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Hi Cornel, Thanks for your post and eliciting my views. To begin with, I do not want to confuse with the Jewish issue and your reaction to other religions. I know little of your thought processes on these subjects. For the important issue at hand, that is a mere digression. If you don't think your writings and opinions are anti-Catholic, think again and take a closer look at yourself. When last did you write a positive post / story on the Catholic faith or Church? In the USA, I meet and work with a lot of non-practicing Christians / Catholics. They don’t care about religion. And that is perfectly fine with me. To repeat! That is perfectly fine with me! Yet, Goan atheists / agnostics and non-practicing Catholics are positively anti-Catholics in their attitudes. This is well seen in the recent discussions on Goanet. It is almost they need an anti-Catholic crutch to rationalize their non-practice of their faith. I have said often that religion is like the field of medicine. They both cover a vast territory and have a long history. Both have had and continue to have major faults and are constantly striving to improve themselves. Yet society needs both. Do you despise and harangue the physicians in your family due to past and present mistakes in the theory and practice of medicine? What would be the logic and rationale for a Church to be built on a temple when there was so much land available in Goa? Could not the Portuguese build a church in Goa wherever they wanted? Do Hindus (today) have to displace a church in USA or UK to build their temple? The choice of words of "arrogant displacement" is yours. Did your professorial curiosity ask for any specific factual details from Marlon or the other authors of anti-Catholic propaganda? With your "English sophistication", and your "deep questioning" you and others have a knack to exacerbate a situation. All this while you claim you are trying to understand the problem and be helpful. The above choice of words have not been the exception. For a similar reason on another thread I asked you if you were a practicing Catholic. I do not want to sound harsh and I apologize in advance if it does come across as such. Your "loaded phraseology" may tickle-pink the Goan-anti-Catholics across the Atlantic. Yet, the diatribe by the few of you-all does not help the Catholics in Goa and India. They have to live with the results of those snide remarks. I am sure you followed the politics of the ban on the Da Vinci Code movie - notwithstanding the various "editorials" in the press or in cyber Goa. That's how much native Goans think of the "smart Goans." I do not have to WASTE MY TIME countering the cheap shots by Catholics who are not even practicing-Catholics, even though their name sounds Goan Catholic. I am sorry to be so blunt. Yet, this is especially irking when you write (piously) that you are wasting your time trying to make Goanet educational. I am not asking you (or others) to refrain from pursuing the evaluation of your religion. Yet do you think washing our dirty religious laundry on Goanet advances your contribution to your faith? Instead of merely criticizing the past, now it is your turn to contribute to your religion. Yet, all that I see from you and others are your "rationale" for not practicing your faith. I am not a holy or fundamentalist person. But I hope at least I have good judgement and that is what I am annoyed about you-all. As I said previously, I work with non-practicing Christians / Catholics all the time and some are our good social friends. Yet they have good judgement not to show-off any anti-Christian attitudes (which they don't have) on their sleeve. The odds are, after all is said and done, you and other Goan-anti-Catholics will realize your positive contribution to the Catholic faith has been ziltz. That's because all of you elect to dwell only on the historical negatives both real and imaginary. In many respects I feel some of the Goan-anti-Catholics are like alcoholics who create their anti-Catholicism as a good excuse not to go for Sunday mass. This instead of blaming it on their self-indulgent hangovers. Kind Regards, GL cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: = Gilbert Firstly, I am at a loss to understand your current talk of anti-Catholic views. How can you possibly arrive at such a view when, as in my case, all
Re: [Goanet] From CNN / Time Magazine: India's influence soars
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- --- Goanet News Service wrote: > > India's influence soars > > The 'un-China' could be world's next economic > superpower > > You may not be aware of it, living in the United > States, but your world is increasingly being shaped > by India. > Mario responds: > Where did this author, obviously "uneducated" according to Cornel as is apparently everyone who shares Chidambaram's optimism of India's progress, get this quaint idea about those living in the United States? Aux contraire, mon ami. > Living in the United States as I have for 35 years I can confirm that every American today is made pleasantly aware of India every time they go to school, college, university, medical facility, many hotels, and certainly if they have anything to do with the computer industry. Many products found in stores also carry a "Made in India" label, but Americans are quite used to seeing stuff made all over the world. > On Goanet the only pessimist of India's development and influence is our intrepid friend, Cornel, safely ensconced in the UK, but who cites "educated" people in India as his source, but, let's be fair, his knowledge is provisional and he has said that he will wait and see. I hope he doesn't wait as long as the followers of Malthus, who have been patiently waiting for HIS pessimism to be be proven right for some 300 hundred years now :-)) > > _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re: Dubai & Terrorism/response to Mario
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- On 18/06/06, Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mario responds: ... You keep repeating left-wing propaganda ad nauseum and ignoring all the actual facts. You cite "world opinion" which Bush cares little about in his support for democracy, while you support about 20,000 murderous anti-freedom insurgents while callously ignoring the democratic desires of 25 million Iraqis... RESPONSE: Let us cut out the balderdash; get up to speed with the latest, okay? This is the reality of the ill conceived intervention, from the horses mouth, so to speak : The ugly truth about everyday life in Baghdad (by the US ambassador) http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article1090904.ece -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] The Big Let Down - December 19, 1961 & Freedom Fighters and tin medal (tamra patra)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- December 19, 1961 December 19, 1961 is celebrated in Goa as Liberation Day. On December 19 of every year, flowery speeches are made by politicians, a parade is held and many celebratory functions are held all over the State. The question is: Are Goans truly liberated? TGF says: NO! Let us examine what we know. 1. In the early 16th century, Goa was ruled by the Muslim Kings from Golconda. It was a particularly violent era in the history of the subcontinent. Hindus & Muslims butchered each other, ravaged each others' places of worship and confiscated their women. 2. At that very time, the Portuguese were trying to get a foot into the lucrative spice empire hitherto controlled by their archenemies, the Muslims (Arabs). The Arabs controlled the seas (Arabian Sea) and the tolls for the spices (black pepper) necessary for the preservation of meats. Refrigeration was not yet available. 3. The spice capital of the world was Calicut, on the West Coast of the Indian subcontinent (Malabar, Kerala). Any spot on the West Coast was better than having to fight for spice from anchored ships. 4. The devastated Hindus of Goa approached the Portuguese for help against the Muslim King, Adil Shah. After initial suspicion, the Portuguese agreed to help. The Adil Shah forces were defeated. Goa was gifted to the Portuguese. 5. After a period of relative calm and good relations( especially during the tenure of Afonso da Albuquerque ), the Portuguese rulers displayed their own brand of intolerance. This surprised the Goan Hindus. Turmoil followed with the political use of the Inquisition. Many Goans lost their lives and loved ones to the Horrible Inquisition. 6. Towards the beginning of the 19th Century, Portuguese strength, influence and arrogance waned. Goa went through a period of relative calm. Life was simple & peaceful. Little development took place. 7. In the 1940s, the world was in turmoil with the Second World War. Portugal was neutral. Portugal was also under the iron grip of Antonio Oliveira Salazar. Dr. Salazar initially set about putting order to the absolutely chaotic Portuguese economy and was immensely popular with the populace. Power went to his head and turned him into a stubborn and ruthless dictator. 8. Goa suffered during the Salazar era. The same ruthlessness which the Portuguese felt in Portugal, was felt in Goa. The vast majority of Goa's colonial police were Goans. In fact, the "white Portuguese" ie the "pakhle" took a lot of rap for the high handed actions of Goan policemen. [Of note, many of these very same Goan policemen were invited to join the new Goa Police (Indian), the day after the December 1961 action!] 9. May educated and thinking Goans began whispering opposition to the Portuguese. They felt that it was time for the Portuguese to go. 10. Among the more vocal opponents of Salazar, were Jose Inacio Francisco Candido (Fanchu) de Loyola, Dr Ramakrishna Hegde, Tristao de Braganza Cunha, Laxmikant Bhembre, Purshottam Kakodkar, Dr Pundalik Gaitonde and eminent Goan physician Dr. Froilano de Mello. Fanchu de Loyola was one of the leading intellectuals and a political activist of his day in Goa. Dr Ramakrishna Hegde, Laxmikant Bhembre, Purshottam Kakodkar and Dr Pundalik Gaitonde were vocal opponents of the Dictatorship of Salazar and made intellectual contributions to Goan political thought. De Braganza Cunha demanded that civil liberties be restored in Goa while Froilano, the only Independent member of the Portuguese Legislative Assembly openly demanded that Portugal give Goa, independence. Dr. de Mello was successful in obtaining the revocation of the discriminatory Acto Colonial. Sadly neither Froilano nor de Braganza Cunha survived to see December 19, 1961 and the departure from Goa of Salazar. Fanchu de Loyola returned to Portugal where he passed away in 1973 alone and away from his beloved family and beloved Goa. Sadly too, Dr. Froilano passed away in 1955 in faraway Brazil, quite disappointed and let down by his fellow Goans 11. During their struggle against Salazar, not many Goans supported the Goan Nationalists. Among the Salazar supporters, was Big Business. 12. Big Business was quite happily making fortunes while Portugal was getting the false rap for striping Goa of its resources. A retrospective analysis will show that Portugal remained poor while Big Business grew astronomically. 13. Many Goans went into exile in Bombay and de
[Goanet] Asha Bhavan at Bastora...
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Any idea why this Goa-related institution features on this list? FN http://socialjustice.nic.in/grants/welcome.htm LIST OF NGOs FOR WHOM GRANT HAS BEEN SUSPENDED/ BLACKLISTED 33 Asha Bhavan, Boa Vista,, Bastora, Goa - 403507. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Progressive Episcopalians: Episcopal Church elects female leader
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Will the Catholic Church recognize women's equality and have women priests and a woman Pope someday or will it continue to deny women equality while other denominations progress? George *** In historic vote, Episcopal Church elects female leader Episcopal Church leaders chose Nevada Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori as their leader Sunday, making her the first woman to head any denomination in the Anglican Communion worldwide .The full article will be available on the Web for a limited time: http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/living/religion/14852316.htm (c) 2006 MercuryNews.com and wire service sources. All Rights Reserved. In historic vote, Episcopal Church elects female leader By Juliet Eilperin, Washington Post Episcopal Church leaders chose Nevada Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori as their leader Sunday, making her the first woman to head any denomination in the Anglican Communion worldwide. The decision to choose a female presiding bishop for the 2.3 million-member denomination, 30 years after the church first allowed women to become priests, might exacerbate tensions between Episcopalians and other branches of the Anglican church. Three years ago, Episcopalians angered many conservatives in the United States and abroad by electing an openly gay man from New Hampshire, Gene Robinson, as a bishop. Jefferts Schori, 52, a graduate of Stanford University and a former oceanographer, backed Robinson's election. The runner-up for presiding bishop, Alabama Bishop Henry Parsley, opposed consecrating Robinson. Before Robinson's consecration in 2003, no openly gay priest had become a bishop in the Anglican church, which extends back more than 450 years. Only the United States, Canada and New Zealand have female bishops, although some other provinces allow women to qualify for the position. The Church of England does not allow female bishops. With outgoing Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold by her side, Jefferts Schori told delegates to the Episcopal General Convention in Columbus, Ohio, on Sunday that she was ``awed and honored and deeply privileged to be elected.'' Jefferts Schori held out hope of mending any breaks that her election may cause. ``Alienation is often a function of not knowing another human being,'' she said at a press conference after her election. ``I have good relations with almost all the other bishops, those who agree and those who don't agree with me. I will bend over backward to build good relations with those who don't agree with me.'' Episcopal bishops elected Jefferts Schori on the fifth ballot. She collected 95 votes, with 93 others split between the rest of the field -- six candidates, all men. Delegates shocked The historic vote shocked many delegates at the convention, where they also were debating whether to temporarily halt the appointment of gay bishops to make amends with other Anglican leaders. The Rev. Jennifer Adams, who presides at Grace Episcopal Church, which is deemed ``gay friendly'' by the Grand Rapids, Mich., branch of Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays, described Jefferts Schori at the convention as ``a woman of integrity, consistency and faith. I have no doubt her election as presiding bishop will be a gift to our church.'' The Rev. Ian Montgomery, minister at Palo Alto's All Saints Episcopal Church, said he was surprised at the selection of Jefferts Schori because she had not been considered a front-runner for the position. Montgomery said the choice of a woman is likely to be accepted in the U.S. church and within his Peninsula congregation, but he worries about the implications internationally. ``My fear is our voice will not be heard because she will not be welcomed at the table internationally,'' Montgomery said. ``My fear is she won't have a place at the table because she's a woman.'' Some church delegates, including the Rev. Eddie Blue of Maryland, questioned why Episcopalian leaders chose Jefferts Schori. He said the issue of female bishops is ``not settled'' within the Anglican church. ``I thought because of the other problems we were having with the rest of the communion, this would damage our relationship,'' Blue said. But Blue's wife, Lucy Brady, a pastor in the United Church of Christ, said the move reminded her of 30 years ago when, as a divinity student in Rochester, N.Y., she
Re: [Goanet] Ban buying Property in Goa (?) Goa is Goan Future
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- --- Stephen Fernandes wrote: > > Goa's attraction lies in the fact that > comparatively, property in Goa is a steal. Even > though prices in Goa have been rising for the past > two years, they are still very reasonable in > comparison to the metros. One can still buy > property in Goa even at upmarket locations like > Dona Paula and Miramar at around Rs. 25,000-30,000 > per square meter. Prices in Porvorim, which is an > emerging satellite city to Panjim, is even more > affordable at Rs. 15,000 - 20,000 per square > meter. > > For those who want to relocate and buy property in > Margao and Mapusa, the prices are even more > attractive at Rs. 14,000 - 15,000 per square meter > and Rs. 12,000 to Rs. 13,000 per square meter in > Mapusa. Compared to prime beach side locations in > Mumbai and Chennai, which would cost you a whopping > Rs. 2.5 lakhs per square meter, you can still get a > sea facing flat in the North Goa beach belt > comprising Calangute, Candolim, Baga for Rs. 30,000 > per square meter and along the southern beach belt > comprising Benaulim, Colva, Majorda for as little > as Rs. 20,000 per square meter. Which means that > property in Goa costs just a tenth of the prices in > metros. > > It makes sense for professionals who have property > in upmarket areas in the metro cities to retire to > Goa. > Mario adds: > I'm wish Stephen had chosen a better Subject line for this post, but thanks to him for this otherwise excellent essay on the wisdom of buying property in Goa, complete with rational estimates of the values. >From local Goans to Goans across India to diaspora Goans, all should take heed and seriously think of buying property in Goa, not only to keep as much of it as possible in Goan hands, but also because it is a fantastic long term investment. > Please don't be hampered by what the prices used to be in your youth, or even what they were 5 years ago. Those day are long gone. > Why would anyone in their right mind think of retiring in Mumbai, or New Delhi or Chennai, all approaching gridlock, when they can get so much more for their money in Goa, which is still relatively pristine but getting less so with every passing month? > If you are lucky enough to still have ancestral property in Goa - mine was mostly lost through our own fault to shrewd relatives and mundkars - this is not the time to sell, unless you desperately need the money. You will get far more for it down the road, believe me. Your heirs will thank you. > While banning non-Goans from buying property in Goa is just not going to happen, Goans buying property in Goa is the only possible way to keep GOA FOR GOANS, because not only the rest of India, but people around the world, have discovered Goa and are already buying like crazy whatever property they can. > _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Goa news for June 21, 2006
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Report: (NDTV) Portugese culture is today so imbibed in the lives of Goans that it's difficult to imagine Goa without its Portugese connection. But when it comes to football, Brazil is a clear favourite. http://www.ndtv.com/sports/showsports.asp?sportname=Report&story=Goa roots for Brazil&id=28781 *** Cong supports govt over English in primary schools (Navhind Times) Panaji, June 19: The Goa pradesh Congress committee, at its meeting held at the Goa Chamber of Commerce and Industry hall, today fully supported the government and the Education Minister, Mr Luizinho Faleiro for introducing English language subject in Marathi and Konkani medium schools and further recommended setting up of a panel for drafting state education policy. http://www.navhindtimes.com/stories.php?part=news&Story_ID=062017 *** PLIVA sets up group's fourth R&D centre in Goa (PharmaBiz) PLIVA, the 85 year old generics company based in East Europe, set up its new Research and Development facility PLIVA Research (India) Private Ltd, in Goa on Wednesday. This is the fourth R&D center within the Group. http://www.pharmabiz.com/article/detnews.asp?articleid=33809 *** Claims of Goa Liberation struggle heroes to be settled: Rane (New Kerala) Panaji: Goa Chief Minister Pratapsingh Rane today said pending claims of the state's liberation struggle heroes would be settled soon. "All the claims have been discussed at the meetings, attended by representatives of freedom fighters... http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=10861 *** Goa has failed to enforce smoking ban: NOTE (New Kerala) Panaji: The National Organisation for Tobacco Eradication (NOTE)-India has pointed out that Goa governement had failed to enforce the ban on smoking and spitting at public places in the state. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=11432 *** Goa govt to find out foreigners illegally owning properties (New Kerala) Panaji: With the violation of the Foreign Exchange Management Act (FEMA), 1999 by foreigners brought to the notice by police, Goa government has activated its concerned departments to find out foreigners illegally owning properties in the state. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=11224 *** Jamir lauds Goa's overall development (New Kerala) Panaji: Lauding the "overall development" of the state in the past few years, Goa Governor S C Jamir today urged the people to work for transforming the state into a more "harmonious and progressive" one. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=10833 *** Goa to celebrate Revolution Day on June 18 (New Kerala) Panaji: Several functions would be held by the government and educational institutions all over the state to mark the Goa Revolution day tomorrow. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=10541 *** [GOAA] Greek Orthodox Archdiocese E-Bulletin June 16, 2006 (Worldwide Faith News) This is the weekly edition of the GOA E-Bulletin. For more information justclick on the links below to go to the topics of interest to you.If the link does not work from your email, copy the link and paste it intothe address bar of your web browser.CLERGY-LAITY REGISTRATION ONLINE:The 38th Biennial Clergy-Laity Congresswill be held in Nashville, July 16-21.Registration, general http://www.wfn.org/2006/06/msg00393.html *** Amiantit's Indian joint venture wins USD22.5 million in contracts (AME Info) Amiantit Fiberglass Industries India Limited (AFIIL), Saudi Arabian Amiantit Company's joint venture in partnership with the Salgaocar Group of Goa, is forecasting a record 90 percent growth in sales for 2006 as the manufacturing facility steps up production to meet increasing demand from India's booming industrial sector. http://www.ameinfo.com/89355.html Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
RE: [Goanet] Attention Goanet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- George, We either have a censorship function which is completely * neutral * and exists mainly to prevent junk mail or else if neutrality cannot be guaranteed, we should not have censorship at all. Those of us who want to make fouls of ourselves by writing nonsense should be able to do so. Perhaps those of us who write nonsense are already considered fouls and, therefore, other members can automatically press the delete key when they recognise the originator of the posts. As it stands, I would dare to say that it appears that there is a sort of black list of members who are constantly being targeted for censorship simply because they have a different point of view from the king censor himself. I particularly have a serious problem with one member of the admin team who is far from neutral and who is not shy in revealing unsubstantiated claims and accusations. I have complained several times to Herman in the past but my complaints have been ignored. We surely got rid of censorship of pre-1961 Salazar but it is very clear to me that censorship exists in this forum and is a very active function, which is a shame. So, you ask what I would change? I would remove censorship because it is clear that neutrality cannot be guaranteed. There you go, I said it. How does that sound for a reply to your question? Best, Paulo. PS: I changed the original subject of this thread because I do not think it is polite to have names of individuals in the subject. I hope you do not mind. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of George Pinto > Sent: 20 June 2006 15:26 > To: Goanet > Subject: [Goanet] Attention Paulo Colaco: Goanet > > Hi Paulo > > Every discussion list needs to take stock periodically of its role, > purpose, etc. and change with > the times. Some are able to reinvent themselves and survive. I am curious > in reading your comment > yesterday, what changes you would make to Goanet. I am open-minded about > this topic and eager to > hear your view. > > Regards, > George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Journalism in Portuguese India 1821-1961
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- There are few young Portuguese of Goan parentage who love Goa as much as Constantino does and who are so integrated not only with Goa but with the rest of India too. In fact I have met several who actually dislike India with a vengeance. Be it Constantino's parents, his highly respected grandparents or the rest of his family in Goa who may have inoculated in him this deep attachment for our country but even as a newbie to Goanet I thought he was special and valuable to Goanet. Cornel as someone who is equally valuable to this forum I think a great deal of misunderstanding between the two of you can be attributed to Lost in Translation. You should settle it with a glass of fine Porto. Helga http://goanet.org/post.php?name=News&list=goanet&info=2006-June/author&post_id=043286 Let me assure you that I never intended to give you a 'mouthful' and never intended to disrespect you in that e-mail. And me being a post-gradute student, I did not mean by any means to be sarcastic or ironic in addressing you with "Prof.". This is the way I also address Prof. Teotonio de Souza, whom I know for a long time and I am quite close to. It's an academic sign of respect. I hope you understand and accept my apologies in case you feel hurt by any remark I could have possibly made against you. Regards, Constantino _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [Goanet] Goanet as a learning instrument
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 Mario Goveia wrote : > Kofi needs to be tried for derelection of duty for all the atrocities and massacres he has allowed on his watch not only in the old Yogoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq, but in Rwanda, Burundi, Sudan, Liberia and Sierral Leone. Hundreds of thousands died while Kofi and the UN, which was formed to maintain world peace, diddled and fiddled, and aided and abetted Saddam in looting and pillaging Iraq through the oil-for-food program. Mario, Would you say the same thing if Kofi appointed you the UN Peace Ambassador to the Middle East? And shall both of us kindly restrict ourselves to help keep Goanet "an instrument of learning" ... not about Palestine, the old Yogoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Rwanda, Burundi, Sudan, Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Iraq? Unless you are of the considered opinion that Goanet has a substantial subscriber base of serious students interested in world political and military history? ;-) Valmiki _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] The Dangers of certain topics (relating to Churches)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Elisabeth I do agree with you that we cant be removing scabs off healing wounds and let them bleed again (and make a mess!) but has it been established that temples were razed to the ground to make room for churches? If the answer is yes then has this destruction been documented and included in our school history books? Like you I haven't been following this discussion. Helga > > Perhaps Hindu temples were destroyed. Perhaps > churches > were built atop temples. All of that happened in the > social and political context of that era. We as > Christians today, cannot bear responsibility for it. > Communal tolerance in Goa today is tenuous to say > the > least. The air is thick with tension, especially in > certain parts of Goa. Two years back even a benign > feast like the Bonderan feast was politicised and > religious tension stoked. > > It didn't take long for the Babri Mosque to fall. It > won't take long before the legitimacy of our > churches > is called into question. Yes, it is nice to sit in > our > NRI lounge chairs and debate about issues, but in > our > zeal to debate our point of view, let us also show > some restraint and responsibility. > > Elisabeth > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _ > Do not post admin requests to the list. > Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Infosys chief on Reservations
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[Goanet] A chaotic government, Goa style!
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A chaotic government, Goa style!
By Valmiki Faleiro
I salute the people who blocked the Zuari Bridge, Friday morning. A chaotic
government understands no other language. Six ferryboats were to be in place
by 6.00 a.m., June 16. Newspapers had cautioned that ferry ramps were slippery.
The administration announced the bridge's partial closure on Tuesday. There
was abundant time to get the act together - organize KTC four-wheelers, the
ferries, even to scrub the ramps clean (or, as a wag said, the option to post
ambulances on either side!)
Looks like we still live in an age where one department of the same government
does not know what the other is doing. How else does one explain dropping
people by lonely riverbanks, with no conceivable means to get to the other
side?
Ferry service is run by the River Navigation Department, headed by the Captain
of Ports. The present incumbent, ex facie, is an irresponsible officer. Rane
ought to have ordered his suspension much before some ferries eventually
arrived at 11 a.m. and ferry crew began cleaning the ramps. (Suspension, it
may be recalled, is nothing new to Capt. Mascarenhas. He was suspended for the
dubious purchase of a winch. I learn there are enough charges at the Vigilance
Dept. to warrant not just suspension, but an eventual discharge from service.)
Goa is famous for unequalled parallels ... except for a parallel government;
we have parallel bridges over the Mandovi, parallel water pipelines from
Selaulim and the parallel Zuari Bridge long hanging fire.
The Opposition Leader's charge: the file pertaining to a parallel Zuari bridge
has been suppressed for extraneous reasons since 2003. By the selfsame man who
held, and holds, the PWD portfolio. Will Government or the Congress party, or
the MGP, to which the minister belongs, come clean on an allegation as
Himalayan as this?
And pray, why should a bridge with the width of the Zuari, take three years to
build? Reminds me of an anecdote. As Staff Reporter of an erstwhile daily
owned by a mining house, I was asked to interview the visiting President of
the biggest Japanese buyer of Goan ore. At Dabolim, the President invited me
into his car, so I could interview him en route to Panjim.
The Zuari bridge was then under construction. In the ferry, the President
said, "Let's get a breath of fresh air" and alighted from the car. He saw work
on the bridge and asked, "When's this bridge getting ready?" In about two
years if all goes well, I told him. Transparently incredulous, he said "Two
YEARS? When did it start?" I told him, about nine years before.
The man just shook his head, sideways. "Young man," he said, "in Japan we
built a five kms. undersea railway tube between two islands, in three years."
It's not that Goa lacks Rs.220 crore to get a Norwegian or Japanese firm build
a bridge in three months. The truth reflects off an adage of our wise
ancestors. We'll think of a bridge not when we come to a river, like we will
think of digging a well only when we feel the thirst ("Tan lagtori, baim
marpachi!") (ENDS)
The Valmiki Faleiro weekly column at:
http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=330
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The above article appeared in the June 18, 2006 edition of the Herald, Goa
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[Goanet] UNTRACED CLAIMANTS - UNITED NATIONS COMPENSATION COMMISSION - GENEVA (UNCC)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- In response to one of the request/appeal made from time to time to NRI Facilitation Center (now disolved) / The Commissioner for NRI Affairs - Adv. Eduardo Faleiro on behalf of Goan Community, pleased to draw the attention of those concerned that a list of names appeared on the Navhind Times of June 17, 2006 as per the press release from the Office of The Commissioner for NRI Affairs - Government of Goa. All those whose names are listed should immediately write to:- "UNTRACED CLAIMANTS" SHRI A.K. PANDYA, DIRECTOR, SPECIAL KUWAIT CELL, MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS, II ND FLOOR, ISIL BUILDING, 9 BHAGWANDAS ROAD, NEW DELHI-110001 mentioning present address and enclosing photocopy of the first four pages of the passport. The deadline for locating and paying these claimants, as decided by UNCC is September 2006. IT should be noted that persistent efforts and regular follow up never ever goes in vain. Thanks to the efforts of Hon'ble Commissioner for NRI Affairs - Adv. Eduardo Faleiro. Wilson Coelho _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Goans set to celebrate WORLD GOA DAY in Melbourne, AUS
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- GOANS SET TO CELEBRATE WORLD GOA DAY IN MELBOURNE Goans in Melbourne will be celebrating the now regular Annual World Goa Day event with their family and friends on Saturday the 30th of September 2006. In order to accommodate the larger numbers attending this year, the event will be held at the Kingston City Hall, Moorabbin. Many Goans throughout the world will join Melbournians to commemorate this event which is earmarked to celebrate recognition of Konkani as their 'mai bhas' [mother tongue]. On this day, Goans take pride in their culture and hospitality and in order to keep in line with the latter, they invite their friends and mainstream Australians to share in the jubilant celebrations as was done in the last four years. The World Goa Day function is also a gathering to socialise, catch up with old friends and make new friends. It is a venue to taste Goan hospitality, share and witness a special culture, enjoy cuisine and listen to some nostalgic music. In the words of Mahatma Gandhi "No culture can live, if it attempts to be exclusive". In the true spirit of multi-culturism, Goans take the opportunity to meet Australians of other cultures, and enjoy the diverse nature of different people. The evening featuring a dinner dance, will have 'live music' by one of the well known local bands 'Replay 6 with Sandra', besides a spectacular Goan folk dance, and a delicious buffet provided by Silver Platter, which will encompass some special Goan dishes including a wide variety of vegetarian items. There will be lots of surprises and prizes on the night. Enquiries about the evening can be made to any one of the four names mentioned in the flyer published in this newspaper or by contacting Oscar Lobo, Telephone: 03 9563 9918 or Mobile: 0404 848 345. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re: The destruction of Hindu temples to build Churches- response to Mario
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- --- Vivek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In my opinion and in the opinion of many historians > there is no "perhaps" or "maybe" as far as > atrocities on the local population including > destruction of hindu temples is concerned.It is > well documented by independent historians and the > writings of people like Francis xavier too reflect > that barbarity. > Mario responds: > Vivek, Any opinion needs to be backed up by supporting evidence. Please refer to the posts of Gilbert Lawrence on the subject of the evidence you so glibly cite, without presenting any, and debate that part with him if you choose to. Such details are his forte. > Vivek writes: > > I also belive that such wanton acts of religious > extremism in the past should not be used to justify > and encourage more such acts in our present times. > > At the same times such incidents should not be > brushed under the carpet under the pretense of > maintaining "communal harmony" or by refering to > other issues like sati manusmriti and aryan > invasion or hindutva. > Mario replies: > I agree. However, we should not brush one part of ancient history under the carpet while obsessing on some other part. Mentioning that every conquering group did something does not absolve any of them. Mentioning one and objecting to any mention of others indicates some bias. > Vivek writes: > > I belive it would be a good start for all of us if > accept that what the portuguese and other colonial > missionaries of bygone era incuding francis xavier > did was an extreme example of religious bigotry and > intolerance. > Mario replies: > I hope that you have noted that while I am a practicing Catholic who focuses on the precepts of the religion as opposed to the institution and the personalities that may have besmirched it over the years, I have called the Portuguese of the Inquisition period Christian-fascists. What more do you want from me? > Vivek writes: > > I also do not agree with your assertion that > criticising such acts by christian zealots in the > past is in any way related to "christianity > bashing". > Mario replies: > Again, I agree with you in principle. However, why would we give any special credibility on this issue to those like Marlon who gleefully bash Christians and Christianity as a general part of their modus operandi, while denying they do so? If you don't believe me, click on the following URL and see what he thinks for yourself, in his own words: http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2006-April/041649.html > _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Jazz Goa launches new website
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[Goanet] SBI Life announces 9% on Lifelong Pensions scheme
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- SBI Life announces 9% on Lifelong Pensions schemes NT Business Desk Panaji, June 20: SBI Life Insurance Company Ltd announced a total of 9 per cent return on Lifelong Pensions scheme, a simple annual bonus of 5 per cent in addition to the guaranteed return of 4 per cent per annum for all policies in force as on March 31. The company declared reversionary bonuses, including a special one-time bonus, on its participating policies such as Sudarshan, Sanjeevan Supreme, Sanjeevan, Young Sanjeevan, Scholar, Money Back, and Scholar II. All bonuses declared here are a percentage of the effective Sum Assured and not linked to the premium component. Commenting on this occasion, Mr S Krishnamurthy, MD & CEO said, SBI Life is all set to achieve new heights of success in the coming years and our customers are our biggest brand ambassadors. As all our products have delivered good results, we are, therefore, pleased to share the benefits with our customers through a bonus increased by 25 per cent as compared to last year. Bonus declared on endowment policies: For Sanjeevan Supreme, 1.25 per cent of Sum Assured and for Sudarshan depending on the plan option: 2.25 per cent on the basic Sum Assured for Plan A and 1.5 per cent bonus for Plan B on increased Sum Assured. Bonus declared on the childrens policies: 2.75 per cent (inclusive of guaranteed return) for Scholar and 1.5 per cent for Scholar II. On Money Back policies, the company has declared a bonus of 1.5 per cent. On Sanjeevan and Young Sanjeevan, the bonus declared is 1.25 per cent of the Sum Assured. http://www.navhindtimes.com/stories.php?part=news&Story_ID=06218 - Forwarded by www.goa-world.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
