[Goanet] SQCA
AMAZING! AMAZING! or may be not ... The Inquisition, a spurious Portuguese regulatory agency in charge of soul quality control centuries ago (good souls to riches and heavens, bad souls to the pyre right away) is being pathetically rekindled by a bunch of true believers still surviving after the Hindu tsunami of the early sixties (a scheduled tribe of cannibals living in a tiny formalin flask). How far away are we from the PINTO's spirit who had clean minds and believed in LEF. The crap on daVinci in Goanet brings to my mind the hysteria of Abecassis (the convert Mayor of Lisbon) some twenty years ago against Godards Je vous salue Marie. Zealot bigotry looms all the time everywhere. I didnt read the book and I dont plan to see the movie. Best regards Arjun _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] WE ARE ALL NRAs ( non resident ALIENS)
Dear Cornel, I noticed your last polite withdrawal. Many thanks for bowing out nicely. But you really are a man of science and wisdom, with a non-resident mind-set, and I cannot resist coming back for another thread. North America is inhabited by a few hundred thousand pacific NRMs (non resident Mongolians) who managed to survive the brutal invasion of a swarm of greedy NREs (non resident Europeans) who brought in boat loads of NRAs (non resident Africans) to work for them since the NRMs seemed to be totally uncooperative and had to be thrown into concentration camps. And now, last but not the least, millions of NRIs (non resident Indians) fed up with progress at home are pouring in to straighten that "white" man's nightmare. In your considerate view, who is going to pay for the honor and pleasure of being there and who is going to apologize for making it happen? Don't worry, NRIs are special and will collect both the tickets and the apologies. Best regards Arjun _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] OR NOT TO BE
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Bhai Sahab Cornel, Who am I? Yours is a very good question. Five or six hundred years ago, some of my forbears were islamicized North African Berbers (al Gharb, al Andalus), some were western Jews (Sefarad), some were christian Barbarians, and so on and so forth. Than the melting pot set sail east and west to make the planet one (oneness, you may recognize the concept) and become global. Global, period. I am the free sibling of that global tribe, where ethnic bias, hard feelings or hatred have no abode. I can play with and enjoy as many aliases as I feel like. I am at home. You, yourself, I guess, before being a mixed up Cornel, were probably, in a row, over the last few thousand years, a devious Cornélio de Jesus, a faithful Abu Khan, a devout Krishna, a holy Siddhartha, a pure Mahavir. Unfortunately you do not consider it to be a stream of enrichment and enlightment but rather an embarrassing source of unease and soul searching conflict. Bhai NRI cum aspiring Goenkar if you can't encompass them all go back to just one of your forsaken selves and be happy. You can, if you just want. It is not forbidden. This time the going Brits will not rough you. 'To thine own self be true'. Atmavan. Arjun Warrior at Kurukshetra _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] DRIVEL
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- We in Portugal are decent Goans with a measure of self government that others do not enjoy since one of our boys has a top political job. Arjun _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] RE: Cornel's contention with .... WE ARE ALL GOANS
Dear Cornel, I did not say ³all Goans would have been of Turkish/Muslim provenance², if we all know the meaning of provenance. I did say that if it were not for the Portuguese, India would now be a Muslim nation, the biggest Muslim nation on earth, inhabited by people of Indian provenance and Islamic religion, there would be no India, just Pakistan all over the entire subcontinent (no Hindutva pride to celebrate). I am sure you understood my point but it serves your racial hatred purpose to mislead your fellow readers. Best regards Arjun _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] WE ARE ALL GOANS
On 22/05/06, Michael Ali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nelly Furtado's third album 'Loose' will be released on June 20, 2006. The follow up to 2003's 'Folklore', 'Loose' includes the single 'Man-eaters as well as a duet with Latin pop superstar Juanes, and the song 'All Good Things' which features Coldplay's frontman, Chris Martin. Nelly Furtado, a Bombay Goan left India to settle in Canada when she was three years old. Mike Ali Comment : It's not yet April 1st 2007! Nelly Furtado is a Canadian, born to Azorean parents ( Portuguese) YOU ARE WRONG GABE, ALL PORTUGUESE CAME FROM GOA, HENCE THEIR DISTINCTIVELY GOAN CRISTIAN NAMES, HENCE THEIR APPRECIATION FOR THEIR GOAN VICE PRIME MINISTER COSTA. REGARDS ARJUN _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] BROWN UNDERLINGS
Gabriel, The stamp "brown" is a Manu red iron self inflicted wound that Mario carries deep inside his soul. As I said earlier, "brown" is brown sugar or brown bread. How could we help him out of such a disgraceful trauma? And the other million self inflicted "brown underling" stamps? Ricardo Nunes Message: 5 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:19:29 + From: "Gabe Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Re: Portuguese Passport & the Bonefacio factor To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 19/03/06, Gabriel de Figueiredo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wow! 207 Goans are interested in getting Portuguese > > passports. This would be considered a trickle, not > > a > > flood. That means there are 1,399,793 who are not > > interested. Perhaps Goa is not quite as bad as the > > brown Portuguese make it out to be. > > That trickle ... depends which way you look at > statistics. BTW, where did you get that number of > non-interested people? Counting tea-leaves? > > I do take offence to your reference to "brown > Portuguese". Would such a description be legal in your > country, eg calling you a "brown American"? > > Gabriel.
[Goanet] Re: Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 196
I knew of brown sugar and brown bread, never heard of brown Portuguese. Since Mario seems to be very knowledgeable in colors and shades and care about, would he, please, explain the difference between a black Kunbi and a white Brahmin and which of which is a true Indian. Why should a loving charitable Christian subject of a great world superpower feel the Freudian compulsion of mentioning derisively the poor folks of a small small second rate European country now better known for friendly dispensing EU valid passports? Mesquinhez? Mau caracter? Complexions (whatever it means) acquired by force? Who sent millions of innocent beheaded Buddhists to their graves? Who saved millions of peaceful Hindus from turning fanatic Mohammedans? Ricardo Nunes Ricardo Nunes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is very interesting to notice how popular it is the topic of "ethnic" Indians eager to acquire and be proud of their Portuguese nationality. Is there any affirmative action program to help minority "ethnic" Portuguese acquire and be proud of their Indian nationality? Why not? Mario observes: Louis Armstrong, when asked to explain jazz said, "Man, if you have to ask, you'll never know!" Likewise, if these brown Portuguese need an affirmative action program to be proud of their Indian heritage, they may never succeed. What is ironic is that Portugal and Portuguese, by virtue of their European complexions and colonial status, which they acquired by force, were once considered somehow "superior" to India and Indians. How things have changed. Today, Portugal is still a second rate European country, whereas India is well on its way to superpower status. Why anyone would want Portuguese citizenship in this day and age is beyond me, though I would respect their desire on general principles of free choice, if that's what they want.
[Goanet] Portuguese Passports
It is very interesting to notice how popular it is the topic of "ethnic" Indians eager to acquire and be proud of their Portuguese nationality. Is there any affirmative action program to help minority "ethnic" Portuguese acquire and be proud of their Indian nationality? Why not? Regards Ricardo Nunes
[Goanet] Dr. Ismael Gracias
Dear Goanetters, I am ready to pay up to GBP 100 for a copy in good condition of Uma dona Portugueza na côrte do Grão- Mogol: Documentos de 1710 a 1719 precedidos d'um esboço historico das relações politicas e diplomaticas entre o Estado da India e o Grão- Mogol nos seculos XVI, XVII, by Dr J. A. Ismael Gracias, Nova Goa, Imprensa Nacional, 1907. Please help me finding it. Thanks and regards Ricardo Nunes
[Goanet]EASTINDIAND DRIFT
Message: 12
From: "Alfred de Tavares" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: goanet@goanet.org
Subject: RE: [Goanet]East Indian
Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 13:10:26 +0200
Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org
>From: Tony Barros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>The White Anglo-Saxon protestants (Wasps) meted out various labels to
>other minorities including Chinese ("Chinkies")and Jews ("Hymies").
>Even white catholics were not spared . Italians were called
>"guineas". I believe, they also had a label for the Irish.
>
Not "paddys" Tony?
MIKE (from Michael)
The opposite of a wasp (white anglo saxon protestant) is a wog (western
oriental gentleman)
Why are East Indians from the West coast of India?
Arjun
[Goanet]AFRA'S AFRO
Meu Caro Afra: I fully agree with you. A quarter of a million years ago Africa was the only civilized continent. In the beginning we were all Afros and our great-granny was a black girl. Later on (uns dias mais tarde) a few became Afras. To be politically correct we should be using an array of expressions like Chinese Afros, American Afros, Indian Afros, etc. B*llsh*t (merda) is indeed an appropriate word to describe the relationship between the "American'Indian' thread and 'modern DNA testing'. Please read 'The Seven Daughters of Eve' by Prof. Bryan Sykes. Best regards Arjun Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 09:25:52 -0400 From: afra dias Subject: [Goanet]Re: american indians Arjun wrote: They migrated to America from Asia but they are of Sino-Mongolian stock not of Aryan-Malay stock. To follow the pattern I would call them American Chinese rather than American Indians ... How about that? Arjun Afra says: B*llsh*t. MODERN people migrated along the coastal lines from Africa. Modern DNA testing has proved that. Afra Dias (London)
[Goanet]EARLY AMERICANS
They migrated to America from Asia but they are of Sino-Mongolian stock not of Aryan-Malay stock. To follow the pattern I would call them American Chinese rather than American Indians ... How about that? Arjun > Message: 16 > Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 22:18:40 -0400 > From: afra dias > To: goanet@goanet.org > Subject: [Goanet]American Indians > Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org > > Hi All, > > Santosh wrote: > > else the Red Indians? > > The politically correct term is American Indians. They migrated to America > from Asia. You are now dealing with entirely separate continents. > > Cheers, > Santosh > > Afra Adds: > Before any one disagrees with Santosh, I must add that he is correct. > Afra Dias (London)
[Goanet]WOMB'AFRICA
Aren't we all, tribals, non tribals, arians, malays, brahmins and dalits of African monkey descent? Shall we pool our common blood in a global world or have a few of us stored in human zoos as tourist relics? Arjun
[Goanet]Homosexuality in the human population
To have a deviation you need a norm; to have a norm you need to have a human concern. God is pure freedom, He fatherly loves all His creatures the same and knows not sin from virtue, microbe from dying child, sun light from typhoon. So norms are what they are, and are ours. Lots of famous Greeks (and Brits) were gay, certain Amerindian tribes may indulge in gay frolic, under stress entire mice colonies go gay. If there is no norm against homosexuality, should there be norms against born pedophiles, born burglars, born arsonists and so forth (within a reasonable percent cap)? Species survival is an essential concern wherefrom we concoct rules on eating, resting and fornicating. Am I saying that we should discriminate gays or suttee roast our gay relatives? Not at all, but the utmost care should be exercised to prevent contagion beyond the original 5% divine purpose, before the norm turns otherwise. Arjun
[Goanet]Eating potatos
The continental blockade in the early days of the 19th. century forced the Europeans to start eating potatos previously considered as just animal fodder and, for the same reason, to produce sugar from beetroot. Arjun
[Goanet]VARNA
Jorge, For as long as you put the blame on colour instead of culture you will not be able to figure out why certain tribes live more comfortably than other. The colour of mourning in the east is white instead of black, so what? In China whites are western devils (saikwai). Everywhere the other gets a slightly less than kind caption (gipsy/payo, euskaldun/maketo, roman/barbarian, bharati/farangi); that's human nature (innate software). Do you know the meaning of 'vigarice' or 'judiaria'? Are we supposed to limit our everyday talk to politically correct utterances to please the mullahs? You know, I know, that "white" Europe is not the continent where the plight of dark/wheatish skinned people is worst, quite the contrary to be honest. The racial connotation exists mainly in your mind as part of your own varna mind set. Why can't you be just a human being? Cumprimentos Arjun From: George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- samir_kelekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The concept of black smoke, white smoke to indicate the election of the Pope is quite funny. Samir, There is a language and race element being overlooked. One can ask why is black smoke chosen to signal failure (non-election of the Pope) and white smoke to signal success. Why not the other way around? One finds racial connotations in the use of language, as in "black death" to describe the plague. On the other hand to soften, even forgive a falsehood, is called a "little white lie". To commit certain crimes is considered a "black mark" on one's record. Why not "white mark"? This is to associate black people with crime. There are many other examples. It is unfortunate we do not pay attention to language, especially its hidden racial, sexist, aegist overtones. Yes, black smoke to denote failure is not outside our racial prejudices, including the Vatican's bias for reserving its highest honors of Popes, saints for Europeans (whites). Regards, George
[Goanet]FATIMA
Lucia's Aljustrel is in the parish of Fatima, nearly a hundred miles north of Barreto's mining village of Aljustrel. Arjun
[Goanet]THE SWASTIKA
Cornel, Yes. There is a tortuous link though between the two versions of the slanted cross: the preachings of Madam Blavatsky and the initiation of Hitler in the Thule Society. Arjun
[Goanet]Yahoo! India News - UK Hindus fight to reclaim swastika from Nazis
By Paul Majendie LONDON (Reuters) - Hindus have launched a campaign in Britain to "reclaim" the swastika from its Nazi past and reinstate the 5,000-year-old emblem as a symbol of good luck. They were stung into action when European parliamentarians called for a Europe-wide ban on Nazi insignia after Britain's Prince Harry provoked international outrage by wearing a swastika armband and Nazi costume at a party. "What we have decided to do is to reclaim the swastika," said Ramesh Kallidai, secretary-general of the Hindu Forum representing 700,000 Hindus in multi-cultural Britain. He said of the Hindu religious symbol purloined by Adolf Hitler for his National Socialist Party: "It has been used for 5,000 years to promote life. It brings good luck and wards off evil." Ever sensitive to the concerns of millions of Jews who suffered the horrors of the Nazi Holocaust, he told Reuters: "For Hindus, the misuse of the swastika is as repulsive as it is to everyone else. "It's like saying the Ku Klux Klan is burning crosses so let's ban the use of crosses worldwide." Pictures beamed worldwide of Queen Elizabeth's grandson wearing the Nazi uniform at a costume party prompted deputies in the European parliament to call for a ban on Nazi insignia, an idea that the European Commission said was worth considering. "The Hindu Forum was inundated with calls over the proposed ban," said Kallidai. "If it came into force, that would mean if Hindus use the swastika for religious purposes as they have done for 5,000 years, they risk breaking the law." First came a media campaign to put their case. Then Hindus pressed parliament to debate the issue and lobbied deputies both in London and Strasbourg to support them. Next comes a major conference in London and public awareness workshops across Britain. "We have already spoken to the Board of Deputies of British Jews and want to have a dialogue with them. Everyone must understand that the swastika has nothing to do with hatred and is purely for worship." A spokesman for the Jewish Board told Reuters: "We respect the Hindu Forum's desire to take back the Swastika but our line of caution is that Neo-Nazis and racists continue to use the Swastika as a potent symbol of hatred." To the millions who suffered in World War Two, the swastika is a loathed emblem of hatred, racism and xenophobia. But to Hindus, it is a revered symbol, derived from the Sanskrit "svastika" and meaning "Good to be." "In Gujarat, when a baby has its first haircut, a swastika is painted on the top of its head to ward off evil. You find it on the door of the house as a good luck charm. It appears on wedding cards and holy paintings," Kallidai said. But he fears it will be a tough battle eradicating the swastika's nightmare image. "It is a very uphill climb because a 5,000-year-old symbol became associated 65 years ago with hatred, destruction and xenophobia," said Kallidai. "This could take a number of years."
[Goanet]MANGO
Mango in Cantonnese is MONG (KWOCK). Where did the Portuguese pick up the name?
[Goanet]UNGARIAN
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Gabe, A smart guy able to spot 'ungarian' by the looks of it is not uncultured, quite the contrary. Or is there any particular freudian explanation for the slant? Arjun
[Goanet]CELINA FERNANDEZ
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Celina Fernandez graduated from the Nazareth School of Addis Ababa in 1969. If you know her whereabouts please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (clipped from Expresso/Lisbon of today November 13). Regards Arjun
[Goanet]PORTUGUESE EMBRACE
Yes Alfred, what I tried to say was that (1) the whole Subcontinent would probably be entirely muslim by now if the muslim invader chieftains went unopposed (2) credible opposition came with the European 'visitors'. The mughal empire was an episode, the conversion of millions of hindus to islam was (is) a fact, the word visitors means that it is a ludicrous idea to fancy that tiny medieval Portugal could have invaded big India. It is not part of my argument to consider the above mentioned facts good or bad. Regards Alu ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]PIG TALK
" I find this from Alu difficult to take even with a large pinch of salt! Are you serious Alu or is this an early April Fools' joke? To suggest that the people of Goa would have been Pakistanis but for the Portuguese embrace is questionable on many counts. If I had the time, I would have spelt this out but I think it would be like casting pearls to swine. However, I say this more in in sorrow than anger. Cornel" Thank you Cornel for so benevolently spelling out you elegant and clear argument. I'm glad I didn't anger you. Best regards from your swine'walla reader, Alu ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]PORTUGUESE EMBRACE
Cornel, The very small Portuguese tribe traveled east by sea to reach the backyard of the infidel empire - to alleviate the military pressure in the western border of Islam and master the trade routes controlled by the Italians and the Egyptians. After the Portuguese came the other West European tribes, the might of Islam collapsed, the grip of the Turkish ruling dynasty on their Hindu subjects floundered and the process of conversion to the faith of Muhammad stopped. Otherwise, the whole subcontinent, instead of Indonesia, would now be the most populous Islamic nation of the world (not just a few hundred million in Pakistan and Bangladesh, and in India too, I know). Us, the Portuguese, and you the Southern Indians, were then the agents of change from ancient to modern times, because after we met in Calicut the world 'nunca mais foi o mesmo'. We together started today's globalization. The fact that the Emperor of China had sent his boats to the Cape route a few years before but did not realize that the world could be one big show place highlights my tribe's merit, it is not our fault. Modern times are 'broad every body' but could very well have been 'narrow yellow' here 'burka something' there. Regards Alu ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]PORTUGUESE EMBRACE
If it weren't for the Portuguese embrace 500 hundred years ago, wouldn't all Indians be Pakistanis today? Alu ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
