[Goanet]re: Samir Kelekar's disappointing trip to Taleigao
re: Samir's disappointing trip to Taleigao, and his assertion that Taleigao is a la Taleban please read: (1) The question is: Are Goans truly liberated? TGF says: NO! http://www.colaco.net/4/GoaLib1.htm (2) The Big Let Down http://www.colaco.net/1/letdown.htm critical comments welcome TGF Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.com * TGF at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d-list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html
[Goanet]BJP lies and distortions - expose by Tehelka
ll article at Tehelka! Let's say ? Jai Hind Phor That ?? TGF Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.com * TGF at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d-list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet]re: Gilberto on Santoshbab ani Catholic-bashing
Gilbertobaban boroilem: <1. I and many don't care how many people or religions Santosh insults. He is not going to insult ME and MY religion. (Period - End of story!) 2. Please read my original post. I clearly state there that Santosh DOES CHALLENGE Hindu beliefs. But those threads are short and he posts it on the wrong Forum. My prior post: >From the types of subjects (on Hindu beliefs), I would suggest (and I have made this point before) if you seriously want to take on the Right-wing Hindus, you got to take them / post them on their web site and not on Goanet. So who should be apologizing to whom for the misquoting their writings.:=)) response Dear Gilbertbab, The point has been made. Whether one is big enough to cast aside one's prejudices and withdraw an unfortunate remark, is another matter. Thank you for legislating where a Goan like Santosh Helekar should and should not post his views. My submission is as follows: If the Goan d-lists had more Hindu Fundamentalists (at the moment we have about 2 who post now and again), Santosh and Samir would have been debunking those fellas even more than at present. Unfortunately, we have a number of Catholic fundamentalists on the Goan d-lists. Do you believe they do Catholicism any favours? Have the Inquisitioners done any favours to the Catholic Church? Are the child abusers doing any favours to the Catholic Church? Are those who kept silent about the abuse done the Catholic Church any favours? BTW: Gilbertbab, If I may ask you this: WHAT is your position on the Child abuse scandal which hit the Catholic Church and WHAT did you as a Catholic write & do about it? Silence, my dear Gilbert (as George Pinto has rightly said) badly bruised the Church from within. That Silence gave unnecessary credence to those ex-Catholics and RSSites who hate SFX, Mother Teresa and Pope John Paul. Now please do not ask me about "statistics" of the Inquisition in Goa. There are Rt. Wing Hindu nuts who are asking if I have "statistics" of Hindu widows who were also burnt alive in the hundreds of millions by the violent and greedy people who feigned peace - until Afonso de Albuquerque (yes that PORTUGUESE fella), and later the Brits put an end to it via decree. jc ps: I wonder if Mario, Mervyn, et Gabe will watch the discussion of their favourite topic this morning on TV 9:30 EST. Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.com * TGF at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d-list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Goa Going Slumbai Goa should learn some lessons from what is happening to Mumbai. The metropolis which is increasingly being referred to Slumbai. The commercial capital of the country which has the dubious distinction of having the largest slum in Asia if not the world. A stinking cesspool called Dharavi. Over 60 percent if not more of the population of Mumbai now live in slums. And slum colonies keep springing up not by the year or the month but by the day and by the hour. When slums get established it is impossible to remove them. What has happened to Mumbai could well happen to Goa. Goa has seen waves of immigrants. Partly because Goans are averse to manual labour of any type. All the carpenters and plumbers and masons in Goa are from outside the State. All the construction labour are from Karnataka an Maharashtra. All the employees in the steel rolling mills are from Bihar and Uttar Pradesh. All the security guards are from Orissa. We do not know whether the fact that the Governor is from Nagaland has anything to do with it. But there is an increasing number of young people from the North East in the hospitality industry. For the poverty stricken chronically drought affected states like Bihar and Orisssa, Goa is Dubai. One can see the presence and impact of continuous waves of immigration all over Goa. Particularly in villages in and around industrial estates. Just to give one instance villages like Nagoa in Verna has been virtually been taken over by immigrant labour. Then of course there is the notorious Fukat Nagar in Vasco so called because every structure is illegal. Closer to the capital city there is Goas own Dharavi, Chimbel. Slum colonies and illegal structures flourish in Goa as anywhere else because of the patronage extended by politicians. Once a slum colony comes up it is next to impossible to eradicate it. This has been proved time and time again. Whenever there is any attempt to clear a slum colony there is a stiff opposition from politicians. And Goa will hurtle relentlessly towards becoming a Slumbai. courtesy Goan Observer http://www.goanobserver.com/members/ (subscription article) === DARK DEEDS EXPOSED by RAJAN NARAYAN: ALL THE SKELETONS that Manohar Parrikar tried his best to hide and suppress while he was in power are coming tumbling out of his cupboard. The latest and the most shocking instance of the criminal irresponsibility with which the Parrikar regime went about awarding contracts to dubious parties is the exclusive contract entered into for sale of surplus power. Just a few months before the collapse of the Parrikar government and the termination of the Power trading agreement with Harry Dhaul, the state just escaped being taken for a further roller coaster ride by Harry Dhaul. Thanks to Goan Observers (Jan. 10-16, 2004) exposure of the scam, the project was abandoned and the inauguration of the same by the President, Abdul Kalam, was cancelled at the last moment. Harry Dhaul was allegedly very close to BJP leaders both at the centre and in the state and is reported to have contributed to the election war chest of the party Corporation. Harry Dhaul failed to deposit the proceeds of the sale of surplus power belonging to the government of Goa into the treasury of the State government. At the time of writing, in what senior government officials insist on casually referring to as a commercial dispute, Harry Dhaul owes the Goa government over Rs 100 crores. courtesy Goan Observer http://www.goanobserver.com/members/ (subscription article) === Joke of the Month of April (courtesy GoaNet Reader April 30, 2005) Press in Goa By Rajesh Singh The press in Goa has undergone many dramatic changes over the decades since Liberation. From being a propaganda machine of the colonialist Portuguese regime, it is today a powerful medium to convey the views and aspirations of the people of the state. The press has BECOME a WATCHDOG of society, and to a significant extent it has been keeping a watch on the performance of our public figures, not hesitating to pull them up for their lapses. Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.com * TGF at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d-list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Goa: News and Views you may or may not have read
GOA: - world's foremost Paedophile destination (Tehelka) August 14, 2004 http://www.tehelka.com/story_main5.asp?filename=Ne080714Sin_in_Paradise.asp One estimate by Child Relief and You (cry) indicates that over 10,000 paedophiles visit Goa every year. Another assessment by Childrens Rights in Goa (crg) says that at any given point there are at least 100 paedophiles on the prowl in Goa. According to field data collected by national and international child rights organisations, a paedophile in Goa sexually exploits at least 20 children during his or her visit. This exposé is a startling revelation of Chief Minister Manohar Parrikars passive connivance in turning Goa into a sex tourism destination. As paedophiles roam the streets of Goa, the state government has looked the other way in its quest for more tourism revenues. And Parrikar has been sitting tight on an explosive report on child-related sex crimes perpetrated by foreigners since 2001. He has buried the report because he does not want the report to affect the states tourism revenues. The latest government statistics show that 3,21,399 foreign tourists visited Goa between April 2003 to March 2004 and the state earned Rs 3,000 crore in foreign exchange. == GOA: Democratic King-ship for Alibabas (Goan Observer) April 23 - 29, 2005 http://www.goanobserver.com/members/ramblings.htm I have lived through the erstwhile Portuguese regime. If this was then, the missing items would be recovered within hours, and the culprits would be nursing their bones for a month and would have forgotten about robbing altogether. But no. That was dictatorship. Ours is a democracy where the victim has to run from pillar to post and the accused are the kings. Cheers!! Is that all? No! I will probably be, nay, most certainly be branded as the lover of the Portuguese who is longing to have them back in Goa. Why the hell not? If the police, whom we are feeding from our hard-earned tax-payers money are unfit to do a simple investigative task, then we certainly want to at least dream about the almost crime free era during the Portuguese rule where we could soundly sleep with our doors and windows open, even at nights. Today, our much touted-about democracy has brought in the scourge of robberies, dacoities, murders et al, including the insufferable mosquitoes that we had never seen during the Portuguese era, making us shut our doors and windows like shutters of fortresses. And our police, instead of applying themselves to the tasks of preventing and detecting crimes, are become little poodles running behind the politicians from the day they put on the cursed uniform of the police force. == GOA: WHERE HAS ALL THE MONEY GONE? (The Goan Forum) http://www.colaco.net/ Looking Glass 2: Dateline April 30, 2005: The once clean and serene Goa is being royally messed up ever since the Indian troops marched in and captured it on Dec 19, 1961. There are many who get their knots all tied up when reference is made to the December 1961 invasion of Goa. So be it, for facts will always be facts. The fact remains that despite the 'tons' of funds that hard working Goans have repatriated from abroad, Goa has become increasingly dirtied up . What, one must ask, has happened to all the money which has been earned from iron ore export, tourism and the repatriated Goan sweat? The answer remains crystal clear when one realises that in 2005, the average Goan in Goa is catching hell and calling it a good time while the politicians are an epitome of a Rags to Riches story. No prizes for guessing that millions of rupees have basically been stolen by these corrupt politicians, in plain daylight. And what have the watchdogs in the Goan Media done while has occurred ? Oh ! those watch dogs? They have kept barking at the Portuguese who left Goa over 40 years ago. Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.com * TGF at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d-list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet]In the defence of Gilbertian Defence Scams!
According to the affidavit, the ministry has so far been able to scrutinise its files for five transactions carried out on the pretext of the Kargil war. Findings on all but the tgm transaction have been made available to Tehelka. It turns out that three of these four transactions had been cleared DIRECTLY by the then Defence Minister George Fernandes and in all three cases serious procedural lapses were noted. The transactions date to the period after the Kargil conflict began in May 1999. At the time the defence ministry, with Fernandes approval, issued an order envisaging modifications in the procurement procedure applicable for the duration of Operation Vijay for items specifically required for OP Vijay. The contract for ammunition for t-72 tanks was signed in June 1999 at a cost of Rs 116.83 crore. Files relating to this deal revealed that the said ammunition was in production by the Ordnance Factory and hence there was NO NEED to import ammunitions. However, by placing reliance on the Kargil conflict, a proposal was mooted to buy the ammunitions for Kargil. The RM (Raksha Mantri) has approved the purchase for ammunition 02.07.1999 in view of the prevailing circumstances. According to the cag report, t-72 tanks could not have been deployed at high altitudes. The case has been recommended to the cbi. Similarly with regard to the Rs 402.76-crore ammunition contract approved by Fernandes, the pre-delivery inspection was waived. No formal request for proposal was issued, which is contrary to usual practice. Moreover, Kargil and OP Vijay became the reason for import of this ammunition. It is clear that the supplier delivered old ammunition. Further, the files have revealed that the Directorate General of Quality Assurance (dgqa) had approved/certified the ammunitions stating that they had residual shelf life of three years, even though the ammunition was very old and their shelf life and (sic) already expired by that time. The said inspection of dgqa is very suspect one. This case has also been referred to the cbi. Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.com * TGF at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d-list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]The TWO RUPEES Andaman story which makes intriguing reading
Two rupee tsunami aid "THIS WAS DONE AS PER OUR RULES"! Villagers in India's Andamans and Nicobar Islands have denounced 'paltry' tsunami compensation relief they have received from the local government. One woman received a cheque of just TWO RUPEES (less than five US cents) for damage to her coconut crops. The islands' chief administrator has now conceded that "ridiculous" cheques have been sent out to tsunami victims. Thousands of islanders were killed in the 26 December Indian Ocean tsunami and many survivors were made homeless. India's central government promised millions of dollars worth of aid to the Andamans after the tsunami. Scores of villagers in the worst hit Nicobar group of islands say they have been issued with cheques for small amounts of money. The BBC has seen a cheque for two rupees sent to Charity Champion, who lives in the village of Nancowrie, an island in the worst hit Nicobar group. more at BBC "This was done as per our rules fwd sans comment by JC for TGF Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.com * TGF at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d-list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Looking Glass 2 now on TGF
The fact remains that despite the 'tons' of funds that hard working Goans have repatriated from abroad, Goa has become increasingly dirtied up . What, one must ask, has happened to all the money which has been earned from iron ore export, tourism and the repatriated Goan sweat? from Looking Glass 2 (Dateline April 30, 2005 at http://www.colaco.net fwd by jc for TGF Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.com * TGF at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d-list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Dabolcars please note: Mess in the Air Force Mess not too far away
Flying officer Anjali Gupta has been put under custody in Bangalore and slapped with charges of consistent insubordination, delinquency and even fraud. The accused officer has responded with spitfire charges of harassment against her male superiors, and alleges that she's been put in the dock after pointing out corruption in the recruitment of cooks and waiters at an Air Force MESS. A combative Gupta has fired on several fronts to defend herself, slapping an FIR against two of her seniors for harassment at a Bangalore police station, approaching the Karnataka Women's Commission, and even attempting to put her case in court. More about the MESS in the Air Force Mess at this URL http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1331375,0008.htm?headline=First~IAF~woman~to~face~axe Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.com * TGF at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d-list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Dance-Bar Girls and Dabolim - any connection?
Not so rich dance-bar-girls to be evicted from Govt houses in Mumbai. The Maharashtra Govt says that they are not there legally. Apparently some senior officers (illegaly) rented out the accomodation to them. Wonder if ANY such illegally 'farmed out / appropriated' accomodation exists in Dabolim. Jusht asking TGF === Dance bar girls to be evicted from Govt houses http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1328644,000900040001.htm?headline=Mumbai~dance~bar~girls~in~trouble~again Mumbai, April 20, 2005 After the ban on dance bars, Maharashtra is all set to evict dance bar girls from government accommodation that they are illegally staying in. The Maharashtra government has asked its estate department to compile lists of houses allotted to its employees that have been illegally rented out to dance bar girls in different parts of the state. Acting on the orders of Deputy Chief Minister RR Patil, bureaucrats in the state have decided to evict dance bar girls living in government property and prosecute employees who have illegally rented out premises to them. Sources say this illegal renting out of government premises is a major racket made possible by the connivance of senior officers. Employees who rent out premises usually stay in their own houses. Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.com * TGF at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d-list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Dabolim and Squatters' Rights ani our "proxy" bar owners
While we are working on the TGF-Xacuti Bozo Singh interview re: Dabolim and Squatters' Rights, attached herewith sans comment is an article which readers might find interesting. For previous TGF-Xacuti Bozo Singh interviews please access http://www.colaco.net/1/HarderTalk1961a.htm good wishes TGF http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1079463,curpg-1.cms MUMBAI: It's a case of lawkeepers feeling the heat of the law. The closure of dance bars might leave several policemen, from humble inspectors to powerful additional commissioners, in penury. That is if missing out on big bucks can be described as such. Sources say policemen have a benami stake of over Rs 20 crore in bars in Mumbai, Navi Mumbai, Thane, Raigad and Panvel. There are no documents or ownership records, but according to sources, these policemen have clandestinely invested hafta money in dance bars. In some cases, the bar is even owned by a police officer who then gets a PROXY to run it for him. A few days before deputy chief minister R R Patil banned dance bars, a senior crime branch officer in Mumbai struck a deal for over Rs 1 crore to take possession of a dance bar in Andheri (East). This officer already has a benami stake in two other bars in the area. A couple of months ago, an officer with an encounter squad bought a Malad bar from a woman for Rs 75 lakh. After his first installment of Rs 25 lakh, he has defaulted, and the woman is FINDING IT DIFFICULT to recover the balance from him. A former deputy commissioner is reportedly the proprietor of a bar in the Pali area of Bandra. An additional commissioner now posted outside the city also has stakes in several bars, according to sources. Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.com * TGF at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d-list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet]Stuff one is unlikely to find anywhere else
Things which will make Bernado Colaco, of the Ole_Xac de Macau fame, go Uumh! Stuff one is unlikely to find anywhere else Coz: 1. It might not be known 2. It might be known but Hidden in the sand of Goan Beaches 3. It might actually be censored by those who do not wish it to be known 4. other reasons TGF This is probably what LIBERATION is all about! * The top political leadership in Delhi irrespective of which party is in power, have tended to think of Goa only as a holiday destination. Even as scores of prime ministers and presidents and central ministers and senior political leaders of the entire spectrum of parties have DESCENDED on Goa to enjoy the sun, the sea and the sand, they have never spared any time or attention for Goas problems. Successive governments at the Centre have been happy enough to MILK Goa for its foreign exchange potential. Goa is among the largest, if not the single largest contributor to the foreign exchange reserves in the country on the tourism account. While Goa may relatively speaking be rich, Goans are poor. If the per capita income in Goa is high, it is not because of the wealth created in Goa, but because if NRI remittances. courtesy http://www.goanobserver.com/ Subscription required to access online publication * Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net, TGF is at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d- list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
[Goanet]The Mumbai to Manchester scandal - what about Margao and Mapusa ?
>From Mumbai to your supermarket: on the murky trail of Britain's biggest food scandal Randeep Ramesh and Sanjay Jha in Mumbai, Felicity Lawrence and Vikram Dodd The Guardian Wednesday February 23, 2005 The head of an Indian company at the start of the trail leading to Britain's biggest food scare since BSE yesterday admitted that it had been the source of "one or two tonnes of chillis" but denied that it had sent adulterated spices to be processed. Jagdish Advani, senior partner with Gautam Export, a company based in Mumbai, accepted his company played a role in a chain of transactions that ended up with an illegal carcinogenic red dye contaminating over 400 well-known processed foods. The Guardian has established the tortuous chain of supplies which led to last Friday's food alert and products being withdrawn from leading supermarkets including M&S, Sainsbury's, Asda and Tesco. Gautam admits supplying to UK importers EW Spices, who then supplied five tonnes of chilli powder to an Essex-based company called East Anglian Food Ingredients. The chilli was sold on to another company called Unbar Rothon which in turn supplied it to Premier Foods. Premier Foods added the contaminated chilli to Worcester sauce which was used as a flavouring in the manufacture of over 400 supermarket and top brand products. Mr Advani said: "I sold one or two tonnes of chillis to EW Spices but I do not know where they sent it to." His company had its export licence revoked after traces of the dye Sudan 1 were found in products from the UK by the French authorities in spring 2003. Last night Ashok Joshi, of EW Spice, denied the application followed on from the firm's financial troubles. He said he had reached retirement age and was now claiming a state pension. He refused to comment ahead of a meeting today, but when asked whether he had consumed any of the affected products, Mr Joshi replied: "We are vegetarian. No." The trail is unlikely to stop with Gautam, which continues to trade in sesame seeds. "We brought our chillis from another Indian company, Volga," says Mr Advani. Volga can be found less than a hour's drive away along Mumbai's frantically busy roads. In the middle of the city's grimy industrial centre, amid shanty towns and high rises, is a wood panelled office which resounds endlessly to the noise of spices being ground. Inside are the men of the Shaikh family, whose chilli trading empire has been laid low by tiny specks of Sudan 1, a toxin that 18 months ago few people had heard of. Today the Indian spice industry, which accounts for nearly half of the condiments sold across the globe, is reeling from allegations that a shipment of the country's chilli powder was behind Britain's latest food safety scare. The scare was triggered by the discovery of Sudan 1 in a batch of Crosse & Blackwell Worcester sauce which was supplied to all the main food manufacturers. The dye, which is normally used in wax and floor polish, is thought to have been added to chilli powder. rest of the article at The Guardian - UK = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net, TGF is at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d- list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
[Goanet]Re: information on Goa, Goa's liberation, Hindus, Christians etc
--- ariana lopes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear TGF: I am a student in my final year of the International Baccalaureate Program in my high school. As part of this program I write an extended research paper on a subject of my choice. My paper is on the liberation of Goa. Specifically, I want to talk about the impact of colonialism on the way people self-identify and based on this why the Goan Christians did not feel it was a liberation. (why they did not want to become part of India). I chose this topic because my grandfather is Goan and I always found his strong objection to being called Indian interesting, and wanted to find out more about Goa's history. I have been reading the articles on your site and they are very helpful, but I wonder if you could recommend other sources specific to my paper. Also, I sometimes am confused as to the credentials of the authors and the academic validity - that is, whether they were written solely as opinion pieces, or as academic pieces. If you could provide me with some further information I would greatly appreciate it. Specifically, could you help me with a few questions (if possible) Were the religious conversions in Goa under the Portuguese forced? and were they directed toward the upper class Goans, or more appealing to the lower class (as I read once)? Are there figures available on the number of Goan Christians who were involved in an independence campaign, and those who left Goa after 1961? Thank you very much! Ariana Lopes Dear Ariana, The articles on The Goan Forum are personal opinions. Having said that, you will do well to remember that History by Historians is also subject to personal biases, agendae, chips(on shoulders) and axes(to grind). So, all I can advise you to do - is to read widely; and then form an opinion. On a personal note I'd say that we at TGF value ALL shades of opinion. Now - to your questions question 1. answer 1: Not so sure that the above assumption is correct. In any event, we will never know the real answer to the question of IF "what happened post 1961" was what Goans really wanted. The Indian Prime Minister Nehru was NOT really sure. That might probably explain why his Congress Government refused to have a plebiscite at the time. Please refer to the following articles http://www.colaco.net/1/letdown.htm The Big Let Down http://www.colaco.net/1/goa1964a.htm Goa: An African writer's perspective any parallel with the 21st Century? http://www.colaco.net/1/HarderTalk1961a.htm a new article just posted http://www.colaco.net/1/JdAN-Quenim.htm Now...I hope you are NOT of the blanket Opinion that Goan Hindus wanted merger with India & Goan Catholics wanted to be with Portugal. Revision apart, the facts speak for themselves. As far as one can decipher, Most Goans (especially the intellectual ones) were fed up with the dictatorship of Salazar. Incidentaly, so were the Portuguese - as events would further reveal. Besides that - a number of Hindu Goan Freedom Fighters got left Goa for good post 1961 & migrated (of all the places) to Portugal ! The advice one can give you is to NOT look at it as a Hindu-Christian issue. We are ALL Goans. Religion is a tool used by Politicians to divide us. Hopefully, we will not fall into that trap. Question 2: Answer 2: In a great number of instances, the answer is Yes. A good example of the futility of this forced conversion is found in the villages of Carambolim and Mandur (Old Goa or the "Goa" of old). Many Hindus carried Christian names and they have reverted back to Hinduism( or at least Hindu names after 1961). A rapid survey of post 1961 will reveal that there hasn't been any signifiant reversal from Catholicism back to Hinduism. That fact speaks for itself. As far as , it is best to be honest about the whole matter and call it CASTE. Of course, the caste system and Catholicism are incompatiblebut Goan Catholics even today live the lie of the Caste System they learnt from their Hindu ancestors. It is a shame, but one which illustrates that Goans of all classes (castes) exist(were converted) into Catholicism. Hopefully, this post will assist you towards an understanding of the complexity of Politics and Power, as well as the involvement of Religion as a means to an end. It happened in the area we know now as Goa, during the thousands of years of Goa's existence - even the 451 years of Portuguese rule. It is happening TODAY. And like every era - we have ostriches with their heads buried in the sand. Footnote: Hopefully Goan Christians and Hindus will see the writing on the wall and unite. Otherwise, Goa and Goan culture will be wiped out - once again by the wind from the immediate EAST. just like it happened 452 years ago! good wishes jose colaco for TGF = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net, TGF is at http://www.colaco.net The Goan F
[Goanet]Unrevising the actions of the Konkani revisionists - 1
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Further to what the good Goemcar Godfrey Gonsalves has posted about Konkani and the attempt to forcibly Sanskritize it (much like HINDI was), we are placing a provisional list of Konkani words which are being targetted by the Saraswat Revisionists for decapitation. This is a provisional list and we welcome correction of typos or other errors, before it goes on to the website. http://www.colaco.net We are presently double checking the MARATHI translation of the following words. They will help us to anticipate what S-Kokni words to expect replace the normally used Konkani words. Like in the case of Hindi - We will all be advised by alleged researchers and linguists that THIS (s-kokni) is the purest form of Konkani. And . we will believe them becauseLANGUAGE never evolved (did it?) It was delievered to Gomant via the Indradhanush! later jose colaco for The Goan Forum NOT a researcher, nor a linguist - ONLY a Goan who knows Marathi and.. its dialects?! (;-) (please feel free to critique the text) acsidente [K] acidente [P] accidente [E] adeus [K] adeus[P] good bye [E] advogadh [K] advogado/a [P] lawyer[E] aeroporth [K] aeroporto [P] airport [E] almoss [K] almoço [P] lunch [E] assadh [K] assado [P] pot roast [E] alth [K] alto [P] high [E] amig [K] amigo [P] friend [E] armarr [K] armario [P] wardrobe [E] baim [K] bainho [P] bath [E] botato[K] batata[P] potato[E] bebdo[K] bêbedo[P]drunk[E] bileth [K] bilhete [P] ticket [E] biskit [K] biscuitos [P] biscuits [E] bluz[K]a blusa[P] blouse[E] burak [K] buraco [P] hole [E] camra [K] camara [P] municipality [E] * cazar [K] casamento [P] marriage [E] cervej [K] cerveja [P] beer [E] chepem [K] chapéu [P] cap [E] chikri-pireô [K] xícaras e pires [P] cups and saucers [E] conth [K] conto [P] count / total [E] convith [K] convite [P] invitation [E] cop [K] copos [P] glasses [E] cuidadh [K] cuidado [P] careful [E] cuitadh [K] coitada [P] Poor You! [E] culeram [K] colheres [P] spoons [E] cumprimenth [K] cumprimentos [P] regards [E] cuniadh [K] cunhado/a [P] brothrt/sister-in-law [E] currei [K] correio [P] post [E] curth [K] curto [P]short [E] cuzine [K] cozinha [P] kitchen [E] dans [K] dança [P] dance [E] derepenth [K] derepénte [P] suddenly [E] deshpaez [K] despesas [P] expenses [E] espozisaum [K] exposiçao [P] exposition [E] ezam[K] exame[P]exam[E] falth [K] falto [P] shortage [E] fameel [K] familia [P] family [E] fath [K] fato [P] suit [E] felize [K] feliz [P]happy [E] feriadh [K] férias [P] holidays [E] feridh [K] ferido [P] injured [E] figdh [K] figado [P] liver [E] frak [K] fraco [P] weak [E] futbal [K] futebol [P] football [E] garf [K] garfos [P] forks [E] gosthu [K] gosto [P]taste [E] gravath [K] gravata [P]neck tie [E] greep [K] gripe [P] flu [E] Gurgulet [K] gorgoleta [P] pitcher [E] guardanap [K] guardanapos [P] serviettes (or napkins) [E] horr [K] hora [P] hour [E] hotel [K] hotel / restaurante [P] hotel / restaurant [E] igorz [K] igreja [P] church [E] infirmeir [K] enfirmeiro/a [P] nurse [E] iskolam [K] escolas [P] schools [E] inglez [K] inglés [P] english [E] inzneiro [K] engenheiro [P] engineer [E] irmao [K] irmao [P] brother [E] istassaum [K] estaçao [P] station [E] jardin [K] jardim [P] garden [E] jornal[K] jornal[P]newspaper[E] juiz [K] juizo [P] judge [E] Kafi [K] café [P] coffee [E] kalsao[K] calçao[P] a pair trousers[E] Kapitaum [K] capitao [P] captain [E] * Kansad[K] cansado/a[P] tired[E] kantar[K] cantar[P]to sing[E] kass[K]a caça[P]hunt[E] Kristaum [K] cristao[P] christian [E] komess [K] começo [P] commence [E] lath [K] lata [P] tin [E] leitaum [K] leitao [P] suckling pig [E] lenss [K] lenço [P] kerchief [E] limpo[K] limpo/a [P]clean[E] lissens[K] a licença[P] permission[E] limaum[K] limao [P] lemon [E] * lissao[K] a lição[P] lesson[E] livroo [K] livro [P] book [E] lugar [K] lugar [P] place [E] maal [K] malas [P] suitcases [E] mai [K] mae [P] mother [E] * manteigh [K] manteiga [P] butter [E] mez [K] mesa [P] table [E] modher [K] madeira [P] wood [E] natal [K] natal [P] christmas [E] negoss [K] negocio [P] business [E] nervose [K] nervoso [P] nervous [E] obrigadh [K] obrigado/a [P] thank you [E] pai [K] pai [P] father [E] paum [K] pao [P] bread [E] pagamenth [K] pagamento [P] payment [E] passinjeir [K] passageiro [P] passenger [E] perig [K] perigo [P] danger [E] prass [K] praça [P] square [E] pratin [K] pratinhos [P] small plates [E] pronth [K] pronto [P] ready [E] pry [K] praia [P] beach [E] rope [K] roupas [P] clothes [E] relloj [K] relogio [P] watch [E] * quarth [K] quarto [P] room [E] queij [K] queijo [P] cheese [E] razaum [K] razao [P] reason [E] redond
[Goanet]TGF's promised weekly review (#3) of online Goan Observer - Nov 28, 2003
This is Review No 3. This online edition is an improvement on the previous editions: gets a 4.9 out of 10. = 1. [Stray Thoughts] A shameful reminder of the Police State, Goa has become under this RSS regime. This surely must be what they call "Freedom". Good to note that "Agente Karnal Singh Monteiro" has left Goa. 2.[Stray Thoughts] Hijacking is the art perfected by the Revisionists & Thieves. If anything, the Goa Observer has done well by reminding those who care to note WHO was the pioneer of this school 3. [Stray Thoughts] < REVISION IN SAFFRON - the efforts of the Sangh Parivar to saffronise education institutions in the state. The Sangh Parivar obviously does not feel any need any longer to be secretive about its insidious attempts to infuse education in the state with a more nationalistic fervour. Nationalism as in Bharatiya which translates into the Hindutva perspective on nationalism. The Goa Shikshak Parishad, a Sangh Parivar-affiliate, has sent out letters to all the schools in the state announcing a seminar on the quality of education in Goa on Monday, Dec.1, 2003. The seminar has the blessing and the benediction of the state Directorate of Education.> Its coming. Goans will now be taught Mythology instead of History. And, Mythology will be presented as facts. The "useful idiots" will believe. 4. [Media Watch - Eddie D'Sa] Wonder where the writer of the above garbage has been for the past year - in Rip Van Winkle land, perhaps. If anything, The BBC & the Independent have been under severe pressure for trying to maintain their independence. So much so that the US TV audience for the BBC, in recent times, has shown significant growth. 5. [COMMUNAL COMBAT - Indian students and violence in the US] Looks like the Revised Silly Stuff(RSS) is spreading its wings. While TGF is aware that 'volunteers' regularly hit websites sites with programmed sound and word bytes, this act took it to a new level. 6. [ECO-WATCH - Chimbel Jimbell] Chimbel hanh? 7. Recommended Reading: * FOR EVERY CHILD: A CHILDHOOD A comprehensive, critical Beethoven Fonseca analysis of the draft proposals for the School Education Policy for Goa and State Council for Education and * Ben Antao's Review of MAQBOOL 8. Thumbs Down: * JONQUIL SUDHIR's - News Analysis First of all JONQUIL SUDHIR, it is NOT the Post Mortem REPORT that is "conducted", only the post mortem. Secondly, you are slandering Dr. Edmond Rodrigues. Has the named pathologist been found guilty of "messing up the medical examination" you write about? - Even Charged? Is it the intent of this Goa Observer to become a rag sheet which slanders professionals on the basis of GOSSIP MILLS? What if the same GOSSIP MILL stated that JONQUIL SUDHIR may be linguistically challenged?. Would you print that? Interesting if the "Board of Directors" of the Goa Observer will allow the continued spread of GOSSIP under the title of New Analysis. * Tara Narayan's EATING IS FUN TGF waited a week to see if Tara Narayan had heeded the criticism of her awful "Food" column. Lat week, Tara wrote an excellent piece on the Gaudis. This week, it is back to the same old junk - the above quoted plug for TRA Narayanan having been noted. TGF November 29, 2003 ===== Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net, TGF is at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d- list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Subject: Stray Thoughts about the Goan Observer - 2
On TGF, we believe that Goans can be intelligent, and can have opinions. They have a right to express these opinions. Today, the day before we review the latest online edition of the Goa Observer, we had a few Stray Thoughts about some of material in the Goan Observer's "WITHOUT FEAR OR FAVOUR" GO 1.[IN THE CURRENT issue of both the print and online edition we have broken a major taboo or at least a convention in Goan journalism. The national media, particularly the magazines have long since abandoned the conventional wisdom that the private lives of politicians are not relevant to their public performance.] We disagree with the sentiment as stated above. Private lives are private lives & should be so, no matter WHO it is. These private lives of others (politicians included) are NOBODY'S business UNLESS public position is used BY the politician or govt. official to extract private favours from other individuals, OR the events adversely affect the conduct of public policy. Fortunately, Mr. Rajan Narayan comes on track to state BTW: Has anyone thought of WHERE in Goa the document for the Konkan Railway, was signed? and by whom? Did it matter that the person who signed that Konkan Railway document was dethroned, because he got on the throne by not so legal means? GO 2.[The famous case of the kin of a senior minister allegedly running a brothel in Panjim was very quickly and quietly and effectively hushed up] One really doubts that this matter has been finally "dealt with". It is more likely that the issue is kept on the back burner, ready to be brought to the front burner, IF that "FORMER senior minister" (not 'senior minister' as Mr. Narayan alleges) becomes too vocal. GO 3. [I wish to focus only on one more issue. My good friend M.K. Jos, who has always considered himself an avenging angel and the conscience of Goa, has lodged a complaint against me and the Goan Observer Pvt.Ltd. with the Registrar of Companies] Not again! Not this same old battle between Two Malyalis settled in Goa. These were the two star players in the famous Raul Saga. Now they have started this silly stuff again. Hey Guys, have you thought of washing your private laundry and battling your petty quarrels in another place? like Trivandrum for instance! for 2000 battle check this URL out http://www.colaco.net/1/RaulSaga1.htm Thank Goodness, NO Offensive Stuff in Bad Konkani, in this issue! TGF Nov 29, 2003 = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net, TGF is at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d- list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]TGF's promised weekly review (#2) of online Goan Observer - Nov 22, 2003
Subject: TGF's promised weekly review of online Goan Observer - Nov 22, 2003 This is Review No 2. This online edition is an improvement on the first edition: gets a 4.1 out of 10. = 1. [Stray Thoughts] TGF1: an important story which describes typical Goa police ineptitude. Where on earth is this "Madgaon"? Hyper Marathisizing Romi written Konkani!!?! 2.[Stray Thoughts] TGF2: Again, a very important exposé of the CLEAN Corruption which exists within Goa's political circles. 3. [Stray Thoughts] TGF 3: A know technique for disenfranchising legitimate voters & making mockery of the "Alleged One person, One Vote" boast 4. [Crab Xec Xec] [Wily Willy leads the crab pack] TGF 4: Very well written article describing the foibles of ostensibly Intelligent Goans who did NOT realise that they were spiting their proverbisl faces when they cut their own proverbial noses. 5. [Tender Bender] TGF 5: An age old technique of BJP(aka MGP aka Rane Cong) for swiping contracts. An 'excellent' example of CLEAN GOVERNANCE. 6. [Mine Fine] Norma Alvares TGF 6: A very well stated position which would never have found its way into the established Nooj Papers 7. Recommended Reading: An undemocratic approach to education in Goa. TGF 7: A comprehensive, critical analysis of the draft proposals for the School Education Policy for Goa and State Council for Education and Training. By Averthanus L. DSouza. 8. Thumbs Down: JONQUIL SUDHIR's - DIABETES AND THE EYE. TGF 8: An important topic written in language NOT meant for the "masses". The article looked like a plaguarised version of a what Dr. Kaisare had written. If Ulhas Kaisare wrote it, why NOT give credit to Ulhas Kaisare? BTW: The ophthalmologist may say that"The single most important thing you can do to reduce your risk of vision loss is to have regular medical eye examinations" but those who deal specifically with diabetes may say that CONTROL of BLOOD SUGAR is THE single most method of reducing not only risk to vision loss BUT also many other complications of diabetes. = Edition #2 has some of that "Goan" Touch. Hope that TOUCH is more and more evident in the editions that follow TGF Nov 22, 2003 http://www.colaco.net/1/igo.htm a look at Goa Journalists and the pathetic state to which they have been reduced. IGO a possible rainbow? = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net, TGF is at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d- list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]TGF's promised weekly review of online Goan Observer - Nov 15, 2003
Still early days. Even so: gets a 2 out of 10. = * WHO'S AFRAID OF THE BIG BAD WOLF? - a fair rehash of generally known material, and a good reminder for our generally sossegado & short attention span Goans * STRAY THOUGHTS - too stray except for "the new thunderbolt from the Goa Su-Raj party" * EATING IS FUN - A variety food column BY Tara Narayan - A COOKBOOK TITLED 'PRASADAM' el crapo all over again! Please try to get hold of a good Goan writer for this section. Time for some Goan stuff written by a Goan. * SHACKS GO FOR A TOSS says "Shack owners are furious. The Tourism Department has always displayed an outright disregard for the environment, but it is now playing with people's lives" One sided article. On what basis does this author say that "The Tourism Department has always displayed an outright disregard for the environment" ? And what about The Shack Owners and their "regard for the environment?" The writer accuses the Tourism department of "now playing with people's lives" Notice that he makes NO mention about "The Shacks". Does he believe that their state of "Cleanliness" and facilites for "Hand Washing" and "Toilets" can be said to be any better than "playing with people's lives" ? Truly Disappointing OnLine issue Certainly LACKS that "Goan" Touch. TGF http://www.colaco.net/1/igo.htm a look at Goa Journalists and the pathetic state to which they have been reduced. IGO a possible rainbow? = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net, TGF is at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d- list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Previous msg has "wrong sender". TGF coordinator error
Apologies, The previous msg was NOT sent by Aloysius D'Souza but by Dr. Jose Colaco for TGF apologies for the error. Had Aloysius' name in the SENDER option, to FWD his msg - forgot to change it. Apologies again jc = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net, TGF is at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d- list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Goan Observer (Nov 15, 03) talks about Goan Journalistic Cowardice
>From the latest Independent Goan Observer "is committed to the Journalism of Courage, as against the Journalism of Cowardice, which has become the norm in Goa." "The Goan Observer is also committed to liberating Goans in Goa from the all pervasive fear and dread that they live in." ** TGF comment: Need TGF say any more? Read TGF's editorial on the topic http://www.colaco.net/1/igo.htm TGF = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net, TGF is at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d- list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]The Infamous Raul Saga being loaded on TGF
The Infamous Raul Saga Did a cabal of senior Goan Journalists decide to teach an honest Goa Journalist, a lesson Dear all, The above captioned is being loaded on site. It has not been fully edited yet - hopefully by this weekend. Many naive and generally uninformed Goans have asked us why Raul is so important. TGF will let the material speak for itself. 6 parts have been uploaded thus far: http://www.colaco.net/1/raulsaga1.htm The cabal pack-attack the Goa Journalist http://www.colaco.net/1/raulsaga2.htm TGF members' outrage http://www.colaco.net/1/raulsaga3.htm More TGF members' outrage http://www.colaco.net/1/raulsaga4.htm The outrage continues http://www.colaco.net/1/raulsaga5.htm The Heraldo's pathetic response http://www.colaco.net/1/raulsaga6.htm Is this the article which merited the Raul attack? A couple more articles including one by Bosco Eremita on "Crooks & Lies etc"to be linked The information in the above 6 pages is raw data. That data, we believe, speaks for itself. The introductory page is in Goa for vetting, has not yet been received. your critical input welcome TGF posted on TGF and GoaNet (do not know if GoaNet will do the selective censoring of posts again) = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net, TGF is at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d- list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]IGO, I Goan, I Gone! - a TGF editorial ( an updated preview now on website )
IGO, I Goan, I Gone! - a TGF editorial: a look at Goa Journalists and the pathetic state to which they have been reduced, & IGO, a possible rainbow (enter) http://www.colaco.net ENTER Look in NEW section opposing comments welcome TGF = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net, TGF is at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d- list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Raul 2 ..... the continuation of a saga
It was an excellent response (to Valmiki's Sunday Reflections) from Floriano Lobo. He has wisely asked us to evaluate the IGO and its leader Rajan Narayan. * TGF continues its own process of evaluation. The hope is that IF there is room for CHANGE, that room will be utilised. * Change often results from compromise of Ego without the Compromise of Principle here is the second segment of RAUL http://www.colaco.net/1/RaulSaga2.htm TGF offers NO comment yet...but will do at the end. ANY contra comment is welcome TGF = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net, TGF is at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d- list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Here's.............RAUL! segment 1
Dear all, The first article in this Raul saga has just been uploaded on to the website. It has been uploaded sans any written comment (Yet), though some sections have been highlighted. Must say that some of the words make interesting reading.3 years+ from the first "Raul" incident. It is accesible at http://www.colaco.net/1/RaulSaga1.htm TGF's comments will follow at the end. We certainly hope to return to some of those highlighted words at that time. PS: The IGO, I Goan, I Gone TGF editorial is awaiting permission for use of feedback from Goa + vetting (also being done in Goa. jc for TGF = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net, TGF is at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d- list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Coming soon to the TGF website: der RAUL! due Nov 4, 2003 (please stay tuned)
Coming soon to the TGF website at http://www.colaco.net der RAUL! expected date of Web Publication: Nov 4, 2003 please be sure to access itin the NEW section. You critical critique is welcome Opposing views extra welcome. sincerely jc for TGF = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net, TGF is at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d- list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]IGO, I Goan, I Gone! - a TGF editorial ( a preview before website inclusion )
en with the public's collective bad attitude against them, they keep repeating the same lies; and sure enough, someone other than a reporter begins to believe in them.( 1995 Mark Y. Herring ) So what is all this hullabuloo about this IGO? This IGO is set up gluteus maximus forwards! For anything to succeed, the organization must be set up, and individuals placed in position. In the case of the IGO, it appears that the organization has been built up around Rajan Narayan. Building organization around a single individual is recipe for failure! Make no mistake. At this point and time, Rajan Narayan is best suited to be at the helm of the Professional side of IGO. He has the zeal to succeed,he is hard working, and the gusto to take on the racist, bigotted and corrupt Alibabas that inhabit the corridors of power in the allegedly Liberated Goa. However, there are issues such as the ones Valmiki Faleiro alludes to. Valmiki may be too harsh in his criticism, but he has more than a couple of points that need to be properly answered. There is also the "raul" attack on Fred Noronha and the pathetic Rajan Narayan justification of that cowardly attack. TGF still hopes that Rajan Narayan has turned a corner, and has resolved to be different from the Rajan Narayan of the Raul saga era. If he has, TGF suggests that we all support IGO. There is a real need to oppose the present bigoted and casteist tactics of the BJP in Goa. IGO is perhaps the only hope. However, if IGO's editor does not resolve to open up to criticism, and does NOT open up to collaboration with decent Goa Journos, it will only be seen as an attempt to WHIP UP anti-Hindu sentiment among the Christians in Goa, that too for personal Rajan Narayan gain. Whether the 'Rajan Narayan gain' part is true or not, Goans cannot afford a greater Hindu-Christian divide than one that has been developing since 1961. The politicians, right from the MGP to the Congress to the present BJP governments, have used politics to divide Goans. The reason: VOTES! All this while MONEY has been swallowed, LAND swiped, YOUNG LADIES molested, SENIOR CITIZENS neglected, previously clean HOSPITALS turned into shabby urine-odorous death row holding centres with fancy machines, Cities polluted, Walls full of Paan Spit, Water supply contaminated with Hepatitis E, Malaria spreading, Roads converted into death traps and Goan culture and language SUPPRESSED -(Konkani suppressed like in Portuguese times!) Even so, Goa certainly does not need Rajan Narayan or anyone else to add fuel to the fire. Goa will outlive this present BJP attack on freedoms. Newspapers have come and gone, Governments have come and gone, Goans are still there, and despite it all, have enjoyed very good, Hindu-Catholic-Muslim ekta. If IGO commits itself to be a responsible supporter of good Government actions, and a responsible slammer of Government rip-offs, fine. Otherwise, forget it. Let us, Goans, not be like the Lenin's "useful idiots" and allow personal agendae to cloud community priorities. Hopefully, the IGO folks will read this and think about his. Hopefully, Rajan Narayan will disabuse himself of the belief that he is the present "Goemcho Saib". He is not! Hopefully, the IGO will be run by a board which will invite the good Goa Journos to join as equal partners with equal voices. That includes Valmiki Faleiro. They may not accept the invitation, but IGO must be seen to be open to inviting detractors. And hopefully, IGO will relegate that awful Tara Narayan food section to where it belongs - thrash! TGF October 27, 2003 (corrections and opposing comment welcome.) Unless otherwise specified, comments (minus foul language) will be used on TGF website. http://www.thegoanforum.com please NOTE The Pin-Toe files on site under "NEW" = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net, TGF is at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d- list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Der Senhor Shri SaySill Pin-Toe files NOW on site
The Senhor Shri SaySill Pin-toe files are now on site http://www.colaco.net/welcome.htm Please access NEW and look at Der SaySill Pin-Toe Tongue in Cheek series! Demo-Crazy Judge Fudge Your input including a contra view on any of the articles, is welcome. Posts containing abusive language not welcome. TGF = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net, TGF is at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d- list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]The Pin-Toe files #2 being proofed for e-publication....stay tuned
The Pin-Toe files #2 being proofed for e-publication of http://www.thegoanforum.comstay tuned It stars the usual suspects and has brief cameo appearances by two other interesting personalities stay tuned TGF might be of interest to Rajan Narayan (;-) SNIPPET* Senhor Saysill Pintoe is the new and dynamic e-savvy Chief Minister of the Republic of Aldona. He is sharp, jocular, and in total control of the opposition tavernas. His quick wittedness has impressed liars, friars and criers. The world famous distance-journo Shri Jew-Zé is in Goa, and this is his second tete a tete with Shri Senhor Saysill Pintoe. This interview took place at Velim's world famous Bar Herculeano. Many other well known Goan personalities were in attendance; the allegedly crisp Siolim Caju feni was relegated by the brew brought in from Betul. This is a brief record: Jew-Zé: Your Excellency, Thank you for agreeing to see me again. After last time, I thought you were Ragar-Fugar with me. Senhor Saysill: Arre baba, I am like that only. I call that testing the waters. General public is usually sleeping. You have to find out if they are awake or not. If they are awake and they make bobbat, all I have to do is pull back. Jew-Zé: And they will forget, like in the "judges corrupt" case! Senhor Saysill: Yes Yes! Jew-Zé: And the Goa Journos? Do they also forget? continued... (entire script will be on website later tonight EST) stay tuned. Will publish URL once article is fine tuned and linked. TGF = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net, TGF is at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d- list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet] Re: Konkan Railway - Mishap : NO Anti-Collision Device fitted !!!!
The driver of the ill fated Konkan Railway train is naturally distraught after the accident. It appears that the engine COLLIDED with boulders !! According to the Deccan Herald the driver is reported as saying that : "this particular locomotive had not yet been fitted with the KRCs anti-collision device (ACD)" The question is SHOULD THE KONKAN RAILWAY and ALL ITS TOP HANCHOS be sued for Criminal Negligence The Konkan Railway Corporation (KRC) managing director B Rajaram told Deccan Herald after returning from the accident site " Not even the anti-collision device (which have not been fitted on KR trains yet) would have prevented Monday's accident" The question is HOW DOES MR RAJARAM KNOW THIS? Your views are welcome Please REPLY ALL !! TGF Here is what the Deccan Herald reports Rail engine driver upset by tragedy DH News Service PANAJI, June 24 The fact that the engine of train No 904 hit the mouth of the Berle tunnel perhaps saved the lives of engine driver C K Johnson and his assistant R K Gupte. Mr Johnson was in command of the Karawar-Mumbai holiday special which crashed 7 km from Vaibhavwadi following a landslide. Over 50 people lost their lives in Mondays crash, the Konkan Railways worst disaster so far. As fate would have it, Mr Johnsons brother, C K Thomas, also an engine driver, was driving the train right behind, the Konkankanya Express. I heard of the accident when we arrived at Vaibhavwadi station, and we rushed to help out with the rescue operations, he said. Mr Johnson who was brought to the trauma ward of the Goa Medical College on Tuesday evening, has suffered a fractured leg, nose, and dislocated shoulder. Being granted a second chance to life can be an unhappy experience for a locomotive driver, when there have been so many casualties, he says. I would have been happy had I been able to save all the people travelling on the train that night, he says. This is the first time a train he has handled has suffered casualties. It had been raining heavily just a few minutes before the accident, which took place around 9.25 pm. He said he reduced the speed of the train, but a few metres away from the tunnel the engine ran into boulders, brought down by a landslide causing it to derail and hit the mouth of the tunnel. A resident of Trichur, Kerala, the train driver says this particular locomotive had not yet been fitted with the KRCs anti-collision device (ACD). = Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.net, TGF is at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d- list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
