Re: [Goanet] Re:Thailand, tamarind, toffees...
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- HI Fred, These tamarind toffees are available in Delhi and other parts of North India, packed in cellophane paper. They do taste good. Regards, Sonia --- Jen Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Dear Fred, Have you tried also the chocolate-wrapper-style packed dry beef (Chinese). One expects it to be sweet but is mildly shocked! Jen Message: 6 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:50:07 +0530 From: Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Thailand, tamarind, toffees... To: goanet@goanet.org I noticed that the Thais have a nice way of converting the tamarind pulp into a kind of sweet. The end product is some kind of a toffee (packed as one, that is), but with a neat sweet-sourish taste, which quite appeals to the Asian palate. Is this possible because of some kind of sweet tamarind variety available in Thailand? Would it work with tamarind from Goa? FN -- -- Frederick 'FN' Noronha | http://fn.goa-india.org Independent Journalist | +91(832)2409490 Cell 9822122436 AsiaCommons' blog http://www.asia-commons.net/blog/39 *~Jen Birmingham UK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VascokarsUnited/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IEIGLC/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoanStudentsAbroad/ == __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) __ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/ _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] RE: POLICE FUNNYMEN !
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Francis, I agree with you, Kiran Bedi is a person who did a lot of good work, Tihar jail is one of her best examples But KPS Gill although infamous for that one incident, cleaned Punjab of terrorist activities and allowed the people to live in peace. Just a little thought. Sonia do Rosario Gomes --- Francis Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- I wonder if we're not doing our guardians a great disservice here..just a few gadgets and some image processing?? Sounds rather simplistic. Whilst western police forces have advanced considerably in their social standing as a career choice, Third World police jobs have plummeted economically. Western (US, EU, Can, AU) policemen average a monthly take-home pay of $5,000 - on par with a good govt. job or high-school teacher in the west (the 3 coveted job areas). Contrast this with our poor havaldars who earn under $100 monthly, all the Pay Commissions notwithstanding. Actually most Third World (NE Europe, SE Asia, S. America Africa) police forces are corrupt not because they 'want' to, but simply because they have to!! How do cops in these deprived nations (they all average $100 monthly) support a wife and kids, pay school fees, household expenses, etc on $ 3 a day, all the while whole families sharing 'dormitory' style accomodation in slum-like dingy barracks or 'police-lines' separated by no more than a torn curtain?! Do you wonder at their high suicide rates? What I can remark about India is that 'officers' higher up in the echelon are far better off than the ordinary havaldar, profiting themselves from an unprecedented 'hafta' system of unauthorised monthly deductions from their juniors, further worsening their plight. Look at the similarly crippled police forces in S. America and esp. Brazil as they battle the bikers, the vigilantes, the anti-police assasins. All horribly paid. At least Goan police vehicles function. In the Balkans, or even throughout Africa '911' simply doesn't exist as the police refuse to come saying their vehicles 'have no fuel !'. Having said that, there is hope yet for our forces particularly after the advent of Kiran Bedi and Julio Ribeiro (of course wiping out the memory of that infamous KPS Gill!). The fault really, is ours, dog biscuits notwithstanding. The yearly budgetary allocations for the police are the worst in our central state govts. It is the greedy politicians who are stealing from our police and not the police who give us poor service. Join Floriano in kicking out the rotten politicians and giving our police better pay. Then take our havaldars to task. With the prices of essentials doubling and tripling in Goa, raising police pay drastically is the need of the hour. Mind you, elsewhere it could be relative. A couple of years back, in Russia I spoke to the police- chief in Elista (capital of Kalmykia, not far from Chechnya) a gregarious individual sporting a gigantic handle-bar moustache. He was earning the princely sum monthly of 1,500 roubles, and living pretty decently in a depressed economy. But the rouble was exchanging at 30 roubles to the dollar, which meant his monthly pay-check was the equivalent of $ 50 ! Try living on that in the modern India (or Goa) of today ! FR. ... Helga: I if wonder if the officer cops of the IPS cadre do better?Why should our forensics not be at par withthe rest of the world? Its just a few gadgets and some image processing - a piece of cake for our IT dudes. What is not is getting these hawaldars to not put half of the money for equipment in their pockets so they can have a constant supply of batatwadas which I guess is the Indian equivalent of donoughts/donuts? Elisabeth: Come on chaps, get with it. What about sketch artists? What about fingerprints?
Re: [Goanet] Protecting Goa's heritage
Hi Santosh, You mean books, and other material were incinerated for that smelly market and to think I thought such things never happen in Goa ! Have you been to Hampi, that is total destruction but there was some wonderful restoration going on but some groups stopped it, they felt the destruction was part of history, maybe, but I think restoration has begun again. Anyway, the old temple (Goddess Mahalsa) in Verna has been restored, I plan to vist it this time. Regards, Sonia --- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sonia gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question is how do we stop this vandalism which goes by the name of modernisation. It really broke my heart to see those altars torn down, shiny tiles instead of wood and pieces of altars sold,together with Statues, chalices, vestements. Frankly I was horrified when I saw a chalice for sale, a shiver ran down my back. Hi Sonia, I know the feeling. The same thing happened to me when I heard that the antique livros, books and grunths that lined the walls of the Panaji Goa Medical College library and office building were incinerated when the old building was razed to make room for the new fish market. Hope we can find a way to save some things from our past. Cheers, Santosh _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket http://in.sports.yahoo.com/cricket/ _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Protecting Goa's heritage
Hi Santosh, I am sorry I got the gender wrong, my apologies, Prof Sakhardande was brilliant so is it surprising that the sons are brilliant ? My question is how do we stop this vandalism which goes by the name of modernisation. It really broke my heart to see those altars torn down, shiny tiles instead of wood and pieces of altars sold,together with Statues, chalices, vestements. Frankly I was horrified when I saw a chalice for sale, a shiver ran down my back. Regards and thanks Santosh Sonia do Rosario Gomes --- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sonia gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidentally are you Professor Sakhardande's daughter ? I don't know if Prajal reads posts on Goanet regularly or not. But Prajal is one of Professor Sakhardande's brilliant sons. He is also a professor in his own right. Cheers, Santosh _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) __ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://yahoo.shaadi.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Protecting Goa's heritage
Hi Prajal, These things happen all the time, I have seen beautiful Syrian Christian churches having their altars 'modernised' with sparkling tiles and the old wooden structures totally demolished and sold as pieces. But tell me how can I help so that we are not a part of such 'modernisation'. I am based in Bangalore but will be in Goa in May 2006. Incidentally are you Professor Sakhardande's daughter ? Hope I can help you in some way, Regards, Sonia do Rosario Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Prajal, It is indeed a pity that permission was given by the Goa State Archaeology for such a sacrilege to the state's heritage. I hereby join you all in the protest against it. Residing far away in Europe, I am afraid this is all I can do. Jorge - Original Message - From: prajal sakhardande [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 5:35 AM Subject: [Goanet] Protecting Goa's heritage dear friends currently the protected state archaeology listed heritage monument namely the historic mallikarjun temple at sristhal -canacona is being demolished by the temple committee in the name of replicating it by a new one. the goa state archaeology has given the permission. this is a blatant violation of the state archaeology act of 1978. heritage churches, heritage chapels, forts, heritage built ,natural and cultural is under grave threat. heritage is the positive legacy left by history we need to save please raise your voice against the destruction of goa's priceless heritage we need your support and solidarity prajal sakhardande -goa heritage action group lecturer of history -dhempe college _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) __ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner now. Go to http://yahoo.shaadi.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Wedding blessing rites!
Hi Dominic I love your posts, they bring back memories of my childhood. Although I am from Verna (Salcete) my holidays were spent in Aldona ( Bardez) where my mother is from. It was a treat to go to Mapuça, and all those little cold drink houses with patties thrown in, I remember my aunt buying that fish Korli that was full of fish bones, but so very tasty, we never get it in Verna. Festa de Milagres was a TREAT we went to my aunt's friend. I do not know Anjuna, I have been there only once on a picnic and walked from there to a tiny little beach Ozran, that was such a beautiful, beautiful place, I will never go back there again as I want to see it in my mind's eye as an unspoilt place, do you know that we found tiny rock pools, whose edge had salt and we scooped it out for our mother who had not gone for the picnic, there was such a variety of shells. Thanks Dominic, you brought it back for me. Incidentally, you forgot the 'vers' that are sung by all those besanv giving ladies, they were very characteristic of Bardez, I have never heard them in Salcette. They were sung for each member of the family, but there are no vers nowadays, when my cousins, both girls got married and on the way to the Church there were no ladies singing 'vers', it was a beautiful tradition that should not be lost. Dominic, I think you should write these down, I would have, but we do not have these in Xasti. Thanks again, I have saved yourpost of your trip from Anjuna to Mapuca, I can imagine those little hearts, thudding with fear once you reached the Posto, with those sentries, particularly the Negro with the gun. Recad tuka anudev borem korun Sonia do Rosario Gomes --- domnic fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear GoaNetters, I am posting the following personal message on GoaNet with the consent of the party for the benefit of all: Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA Hi Juliet! First of all, please accept my heartiest congratulations in advance on your daughter's wedding in August! Secondly, it is great to know that though in America, you would like to follow Goan custom. Hats off to you Juliet for keeping up Goan culture and traditions in a foreign land! Here is the information you asked for: As soon as the bride is dressed up and before she proceeds to the car to go to church to attend the nuptials, she is made to stand ghorchea altara mukar (in front of home altar) for Bessanv. Please do not forget to light the candles at the altar. In the olden days, until the early 1960's, the only photo that was taken on the auspicious day, was a wedding photo that, too, in a studio. But today, the camera and video man arrive at a bride's place well in advance and begin to click photos and video film right from the time the bride begins to dress up. The clicking and filming continues in the church and ends up in the reception hall. Times have really changed, Juliet! In Goa, besides relatives and friends, neighbors from the ward also come to give Bessanv to the okol because she was a part of the community from her childhood until she grew up. Now that she chose a life time partner, she has to leave the place and shift to her husband's! Therefore, the neighbors feel it is their duty to wish her last good-bye as a spinster; hence, they join in the last farewell wish to the bride along with her parents, relatives and friends. In Goa, it is still a fashion to give a gift to the bride mostly in the form of cash which is placed in bride's hand along with Bessanv. In the olden days, people placed chear annem, att annem or one rupee coins; some old folks still place 50 paise or 1 rupee coins and so do children. Nowadays, it is mostly bills - Rs.50, 100 or 500; seldom, people place a Rs.5 or 10 bill. Relatives and friends from far away places who do not wish to return to the house after the nuptials or will not be present for the reception, hand in their gifts at Bessanv. There are no special prayers at Bessanv before the bride leaves for the church. However, here is the order of blessing as I recall: 1) The parents - father followed by mother 2) The grandparents - grandfather followed by grandmother 3) The eldest brother and his wife, if married, followed by other brothers and their wives 4) The sisters and their husbands 5) Brothers' children - beginning from the oldest to the youngest 6) Sisters' children - beginning from the oldest to the youngest 7) Uncles and aunts - paternal followed by maternal 8) Cousins beginning with the first and followed by the second, third, etc. 9) Bride's relatives - beginning with the eldest and followed by the youngest 10) Elderly neighbors followed by other neighbors 11) Friends in general I hope the above information serves you. Best regards, Domnic Fernandes From : Juliet De Souza [EMAIL
[Goanet] Re: Priests and non-Catholics in Goa
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=416 | -- Basilio, Your post was one of the most balanced I have read. Yes, Goa has changed a lot, particularly the villages, they are no longer the dormant, sleepy places only good as holiday Resorts. There is such vibrancy in my own Village Verna. As a child, the church was swept and cleaned maybe once a month by the much overworked'peddo but now we see the church spruced up, regularly cleaned by people from different wards, there are parish councils, youth groups, and various activities and these are attended by everyone, Catholics, Hindus and Muslims and nobody is bothered by this fact. Priests have played and continue to play a large role in our Villages, there are factions who love them and those that dislike them, depending on various circumstances, for Villages as everyone knows have their own politics, which again differ from village to village, the Verna politics may be different from those of Cansaulim ! But at the end of it, we are all people with dreams, aspirations, needs and weaknesses, loves and hates. Priests are no different, they too are human, and they too need human company as much as any other person, imagine their dilema, and most of all imagine their loneliness, at the end of the day, when we are at the dinner table surrounded by our families, watching TV, eating, squabbling and all those simple, tiny things that make living in a family worthwhile, what does a priest have, a solitary dinner with a little conversation thrown in by the cook and nothing more. Maybe we expect too much from our priests, we expect them to do good, we expect them to finish the Mass as soon as possible !! To preach well, and not to have any wants but most of all we never ever think of how lonely thay are, it must be terrible, so if they stray and do something that we do not think is appropriate,let us forgive them, let us think that they give us much more than we can ever repay and most of all let God be their judge. Warm wishes Sonia do Rosario Gomes
[Goanet]Is it ethical to buy second hand clothes that were sent as aid?
I have not seen the fairs mentioned here in this forum, but have visited many other such fairs here in Bangalore and in other places. As far as I know these clothes are not the clothes intended for the Tsunami victims, these are are rejects or suplus clothing manufactured for export purposes. These clothes are manufactured at a place close to Coimbatore (cannot recall the name)and a large part gets rejected and this rejected clothing is sold in bulk to people who then sell it as retail in the open market. Regards Sonia do Rosario Gomes Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony
