Re: [Goanet] Fr. Jorda at Loyola High School
Hi Victor Thanks for being so helpful among others. A clear picture is beginning to appear in my mind about the matriculation exam. I had absolutely no idea about the earlier eight-year phase of schooling. Regards Cornel - Original Message - From: Victor Rangel-Ribeiro To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fr. Jorda at Loyola High School Dear Cornel, After seven years of study at Mater Dei Institution, Saligao, I moved with my family to Bombay and enrolled in St. Mary's High School in Mazagon. I matriculated next year at the age of 15. One of my fellow students (a Parsi named Rustom) was 12, and also successfully passed the exam. In those days, one just had eight years of school before being able to enter college. The schooling requirements were changed to 12 years to slow down the crunch on the job market. Regards, Victor Themistocles _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Fr. Jorda at Loyola High School
Hi Themistocles Many thanks for your kind reply. I am now getting a clearer picture of the Matriculation issue in the 1940s. Asking people around at that time has been my strategy and it has paid off. Regards Cornel - Original Message - From: "Themistocles D'Silva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fr. Jorda at Loyola High School Hi Cornel Loyola H. School started under the Jesuit management from 1944. As you have read from postings on the subject from others, that before before this time it was called Dom Teotonio Union High School, which had failed to attain the necessary university recognition and was faltering. I joined Loyola in 1944, as I indicated before, starting at grade 2 since I had earlier studied at the Portuguese primary schools and had attained the required 2o grau. One graduated at that time after grade 7 (matriculation), and I was 17 years old when I finished. I would say that the average age for completion was around 17-18 years. I am not sure if students appeared for matriculation the very first year, unless they were previously enrolled with Dom Teotonio Union or were transfer students from other schools. Best, Themistocles on 06/12/2006 8:24 AM, cornel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Themistocles Unfortunately, I received no response to my question about the age when students successfully completed the matriculation exam. As the 'historical period' is important for some work I am doing, please can you tell me at roughly what age students passed their matric around 1942 or so? Many thanks Cornel - Original Message - From: "Themistocles D'Silva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fr. Jorda at Loyola High School Fr. Jorda S.J. was my first Principal at Loyola High School, Margão in 1944-1945. He was an admirable individual, a great soul and I have vivid memories of that tim _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Fr. Jorda at Loyola High School
Dear Cornel, After seven years of study at Mater Dei Institution, Saligao, I moved with my family to Bombay and enrolled in St. Mary's High School in Mazagon. I matriculated next year at the age of 15. One of my fellow students (a Parsi named Rustom) was 12, and also successfully passed the exam. In those days, one just had eight years of school before being able to enter college. The schooling requirements were changed to 12 years to slow down the crunch on the job market. Regards, VictorThemistocles D'Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi CornelLoyola H. School started under the Jesuit management from 1944. As you haveread from postings on the subject from others, that before before this timeit was called Dom Teotonio Union High School, which had failed to attain thenecessary university recognition and was faltering. I joined Loyola in1944, as I indicated before, starting at grade 2 since I had earlier studiedat the Portuguese primary schools and had attained the required 2o grau.One graduated at that time after grade 7 (matriculation), and I was 17 yearsold when I finished. I would say that the average age for completion wasaround 17-18 years. I am not sure if students appeared for matriculation thevery first year, unless they were previously enrolled with Dom TeotonioUnion or were transfer students from other schools.Best, Themistocleson 06/12/2006 8:24 AM, cornel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> Hi Themistocles> Unfortunately, I received no response to my question about the age when> students successfully completed the matriculation exam. As the 'historical> period' is important for some work I am doing, please can you tell me at> roughly what age students passed their matric around 1942 or so?> Many thanks> Cornel> - Original Message -> From: "Themistocles D'Silva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 7:21 PM> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fr. Jorda at Loyola High School> > > Fr. Jorda S.J. was my first Principal at Loyola High School, Margão in> 1944-1945. He was an admirable individual, a great soul and I have vivid> memories of that tim> > > > _> Do not post admin requests to the list.> Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)_Do not post admin requests to the list.Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)_ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Fr. Jorda at Loyola High School
Hi Tony Many thanks for your firm info. I had a problem with someone claiming she passed her matric at 11 and that others did so as well. I had felt that this was well nigh impossible! Thanks again Cornel - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 3:05 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fr. Jorda at Loyola High School Hi Cornel! Ref. your query to Themistocles, I passed the Matriculation Examination in 1945 when I was 15 years old (which was the average age at which most students passed the examination at that time.) ---Tony Correia-Afonso. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Fr. Jorda at Loyola High School
Hi Cornel Loyola H. School started under the Jesuit management from 1944. As you have read from postings on the subject from others, that before before this time it was called Dom Teotonio Union High School, which had failed to attain the necessary university recognition and was faltering. I joined Loyola in 1944, as I indicated before, starting at grade 2 since I had earlier studied at the Portuguese primary schools and had attained the required 2o grau. One graduated at that time after grade 7 (matriculation), and I was 17 years old when I finished. I would say that the average age for completion was around 17-18 years. I am not sure if students appeared for matriculation the very first year, unless they were previously enrolled with Dom Teotonio Union or were transfer students from other schools. Best, Themistocles on 06/12/2006 8:24 AM, cornel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi Themistocles > Unfortunately, I received no response to my question about the age when > students successfully completed the matriculation exam. As the 'historical > period' is important for some work I am doing, please can you tell me at > roughly what age students passed their matric around 1942 or so? > Many thanks > Cornel > - Original Message - > From: "Themistocles D'Silva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 7:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fr. Jorda at Loyola High School > > > Fr. Jorda S.J. was my first Principal at Loyola High School, Margão in > 1944-1945. He was an admirable individual, a great soul and I have vivid > memories of that tim > > > > _ > Do not post admin requests to the list. > Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Fr. Jorda at Loyola High School
Hi Cornel! Ref. your query to Themistocles, I passed the Matriculation Examination in 1945 when I was 15 years old (which was the average age at which most students passed the examination at that time.) ---Tony Correia-Afonso. This message was sent using NWebmail, BSNL's Webmail Program _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Fr. Jorda at Loyola High School
Hi Themistocles Unfortunately, I received no response to my question about the age when students successfully completed the matriculation exam. As the 'historical period' is important for some work I am doing, please can you tell me at roughly what age students passed their matric around 1942 or so? Many thanks Cornel - Original Message - From: "Themistocles D'Silva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fr. Jorda at Loyola High School Fr. Jorda S.J. was my first Principal at Loyola High School, Margão in 1944-1945. He was an admirable individual, a great soul and I have vivid memories of that tim _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Fr. Jorda at Loyola High School
Fr. Jorda S.J. was my first Principal at Loyola High School, Margão in 1944-1945. He was an admirable individual, a great soul and I have vivid memories of that time. Yes, he did preach in Konkani once (which amazed a lot of people) at the Chapel of St. Lowrence in Arossim. I am not sure if he read the sermon from a prepared text written by someone else. There may be some records in the archives at Loyola. Themistocles on 06/07/2006 9:07 AM, Teotonio R. de Souza at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > The Jesuits were banned a third time in Portugal from operating from the > Portuguese territories in 1910, when the Portuguese republic was proclaimed. > The Jesuits had to function from elsewhere in Europe or from the British > India! They operated in Goa from their base at St. Paul's, Belgaum. From > 1940 Salazar opened the field for the Jesuits and other Portuguese Padroado > missionaries after signing an «Acordo Missionário» in 1940 with the Vatican. > That is when the Goa archdiocese invited Jesuits from Belgaum to take over > its St. Theotonio High School in Margão. It has lost its recognition from > the Bombay Board of Education for SSC. The Jesuits then invited the Bombay > Province Jesuit Fr. Jorda to be the first principal of St. Theotonio High > School, which was re-named Loyola High School. Fr. Jorda could only stay > there for one year and it was Fr. Claude Saldanha who then took over as > Principal. Within a year the school was recognized once again by the Bombay > University Matric Board. I wonder if Fr. Jorda could have learned any > Konkani during that short span of time, or if its was not some other Goan > Jesuits, including Fr. Claude Saldanha, author of a «Short History of Goa» > who prepared the material! > > > > Teotonio R. de Souza > > > > Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 01:09:08 -0400 > > From: eric pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: [Goanet] Our Language Saga, Vowel Wars. > > To: goanet@goanet.org > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > A Barcelona Jesuit, Pe. Jorda, published a Konkanni-English in the 40's > > > Perhaps a first for the language. He was transferred to Brazil in the 50's, > > Where he served out his teaching career. I want to believe that he > conducted > > Konkanni classes for children there, and he likely did ! Perhaps Teotonio > > Can tell US more. > > _ > Do not post admin requests to the list. > Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Fr. Jorda at Loyola High School
I studied for one year in the 5th.Std. at the St.Theotonio Union High School in 1943 when Fr.Pinto (brother of the well-known Prof.C.D.Pinto of the St.Xavier's College, Bombay) was the Principal. To the best of my knowledge, Fr. Jorda,S.J., who took over as Principal when the school was handed over to the Jesuits and re-named Lotola High School, acquired a great degree of proficiency in Konkani during his brief stay in Goa and even preached in our mother-tongue! ---Tony Correia-Afonso This message was sent using NWebmail, BSNL's Webmail Program _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Fr. Jorda at Loyola High School
Teotonio Thank you very much for the revelation that, the former name of Loyola High School was St Thetonio High School in Margao. This info was absolutely new to me. My father had attended Loyola High School and would have got his matric there but I do not know when. However, quite unrelated to my dad (born much earlier), I wonder if you can specifically tell me at what age the youngest students would have made the matric in Goa in the early 1940s and also if some continued until 18 or 19 as I was informed by someone, in Goa, last month. Thanks in advance, Cornel - Original Message - From: "Teotonio R. de Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 2:07 PM Subject: [Goanet] Fr. Jorda at Loyola High School _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Fr. Jorda at Loyola High School
The Jesuits were banned a third time in Portugal from operating from the Portuguese territories in 1910, when the Portuguese republic was proclaimed. The Jesuits had to function from elsewhere in Europe or from the British India! They operated in Goa from their base at St. Paul's, Belgaum. From 1940 Salazar opened the field for the Jesuits and other Portuguese Padroado missionaries after signing an «Acordo Missionário» in 1940 with the Vatican. That is when the Goa archdiocese invited Jesuits from Belgaum to take over its St. Theotonio High School in Margão. It has lost its recognition from the Bombay Board of Education for SSC. The Jesuits then invited the Bombay Province Jesuit Fr. Jorda to be the first principal of St. Theotonio High School, which was re-named Loyola High School. Fr. Jorda could only stay there for one year and it was Fr. Claude Saldanha who then took over as Principal. Within a year the school was recognized once again by the Bombay University Matric Board. I wonder if Fr. Jorda could have learned any Konkani during that short span of time, or if its was not some other Goan Jesuits, including Fr. Claude Saldanha, author of a «Short History of Goa» who prepared the material! Teotonio R. de Souza Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 01:09:08 -0400 From: eric pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Our Language Saga, Vowel Wars. To: goanet@goanet.org Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A Barcelona Jesuit, Pe. Jorda, published a Konkanni-English in the 40's Perhaps a first for the language. He was transferred to Brazil in the 50's, Where he served out his teaching career. I want to believe that he conducted Konkanni classes for children there, and he likely did ! Perhaps Teotonio Can tell US more. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
