[Goanet] Of Portuguese passports, migrants OCI status - final
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- --- Mario Goveia mgoveia at sbcglobal.net wrote: Who am I to question your personal experience? However, I don't believe any US Immigration official would pick the Indian passport last - just the opposite, because his physician, friend's or relative's physician, his old professor, childrens's school teacher or professor, children's school or college mate and head of the class, local storekeeper, local hotelier, etc. is highly likely to be an Indian. Gabriel de Figueiredo wrote: That, Mario, is your opinion, not a fact. Personal experiences count. Mario responds: Gabriel, how would you know whether my above opinion is not a fact? I understand from the personal experience of many Goanetters that a Portuguese passport holder does not require visas from several countries, whereas Indian passport holders still require visas which is an inconvenience. I accept that as a fact. What I was talking about was the growing respect for Indians in many countries, especially the US, where Indians have been ranked No.1 by family income per ethnic group since 1980. I gave examples of why. This was not the case when I came here 35 years ago, and is certainly not the case in most other countries, though I understand that Indians are taking over England:-)) On the other hand Portuguese illegals are being deported, even from immigrant-friendly Canada, which gives political asylum to almost anyone, in droves. This is also a fact. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
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-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who am I to question your personal experience? However, I don't believe any US Immigration official would pick the Indian passport last - just the opposite, because his physician, friend's or relative's physician, his old professor, childrens's school teacher or professor, children's school or college mate and head of the class, local storekeeper, local hotelier, etc. is highly likely to be an Indian. That, Mario, is your opinion, not a fact. Personal experiences count. No more from me on this topic. Gabriel de Figueiredo. On Yahoo!7 Messenger - Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas. http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
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-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- --- Araujo Jose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario, Personal experience makes one wise, if you wanna experience try this receipe. Carry two passports one indian and other European or /East African or any other african country check Produce all of them in a jumbled order the immigration authorities at any airport, he's gonna pick Indian Last. Mario observes: Hey, Jose, One of the reasons I love Portugal is that all the Portuguese seem to have Goan Catholic surnames:-)) In Portugal, they even named a village after my family:-)) Who am I to question your personal experience? However, I don't believe any US Immigration official would pick the Indian passport last - just the opposite, because his physician, friend's or relative's physician, his old professor, childrens's school teacher or professor, children's school or college mate and head of the class, local storekeeper, local hotelier, etc. is highly likely to be an Indian. You talk about patriotism but seem to carry a bunch of different passports, which I find curious. Though I have repeatedly said that I love modern Portugal and the Portuguese people, I have long since made my choice of a citizenship, so I will not be applying for a Portuguese passport anytime soon. As soon as my 10 year visa runs out I will also apply for the OIC Passport, simply because it would allow me to stay in India for more than 6 months at a time. For those who qualify for a Portuguese passport and think it will benefit them, by all means apply. I don't know if it will help you, but I don't think it will hurt you. Besides, Portuguese Goanetter Henrique Salles da Fonseca says that Portugal is on it's way to becoming an economic force in Europe, and I told him I would be very pleased if they did. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Of Portuguese passports, migrants OCI status
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Mario, Personal experience makes one wise, if you wanna experience try this receipe. Carry two passports one indian and other European or /East African or any other african country check Produce all of them in a jumbled order the immigration authorities at any airport, he's gonna pick Indian Last. Second objective question, At the Mumbai International airport , carry an indian PP and other European , check it out for yourself. Thirdly there are many Indians accross the globe who are dubious in their moves and behaviour (its sad though) but one has to live with it, if the financial climate suits them in USA then they are USA Indians, and so forth, gone are those days of patriotism. Today its survival of the fittest . In short acquiring a Portuguese Passport for every Goan is must, the argument is why are we moving out of GOA and paving way for outsiders to move in, its a cycle as we move out others move in GOA and we do the same in the rest of the world. Love Goa, Love Goans, Love your motherland Love your country but if Goenkars do get a chance to travel with a Portuguese Passport anywhere in the world, do go but please turn back to help other Goenkars who want to climb the ladder of prosperity with the rest of Goans, turn back by contributing to your motherland Goa. Araujo Jose _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
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From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 03-Apr-2006 15:57 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Of Portuguese passports, migrants OCI status To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Mario asks: Wait a minute. Not so fast. Where did you get the idea that a passport from a second rate European country like Portugal is a superior travel document to that of an acknowledged future superpower like India? Mario, I don't know whether you have ever experienced travel difficulties with Indian v/s Portuguese passport first-hand. I have had, between 1983 through to 1996, in various countries, when I travelled on a Portuguese document and the wife on an Indian one. Not only travelling on international routes, but also (surprise, surprise) on entering India. I never had a problem, but always had to wait for the wife to clear immigration, as often, we were in different queues. I didn't require a visa (except for India); she always did (except for India). Now, we all travel on Australian documents, and we often see queues of Indian passport holders at places like Singapore and Malaysia being queried thoroughly, and we just walk through with a stamp on ths passport allowing us 30 days stay (no visas required). Future super-power or not, Indians require tourist visas for practically every country they visit. Australian (as also Portuguese) passport holders don't need tourist visas for most countries. A Portuguese passport is thus indeed a far superior document than that of your future super-power, disproving your pet theory. And there was absolutely no need for you to refer to Portugal the way you did. Observation: India insists on a tourist visa, even if for a stay of a week. Perhaps if this over-protectionist attitude of India was relaxed, other countries would reciprocate towards India by relaxing their rules. BTW, I don't know how you can call India a future super-power or even the world's «largest democracy», given the abject poverty that still afflicts most of India, the insecurity with which most people live in, and the rampant corruption that has infiltrated every govt department including defence. Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - VIC - Australia. On Yahoo!7 Music: Create your own personalised radio station. http://au.launch.yahoo.com/ _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
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Dear Admin, Once again I have to pull up Mario, his assertion whether true or not is uncalled for : A second rate European country like Portugal.this inflames many lusophiles. He doesn't like anyone criticising his beloved George Bush, whether it is correct or otherwise. Please take the appropriate action. -- Forwarded message -- From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 03-Apr-2006 15:57 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Of Portuguese passports, migrants OCI status To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org --- ralph rau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if considering staying on in India Goans should go ahead and get the Portuguese passport, which is a superior travel document, Mario asks: Wait a minute. Not so fast. Where did you get the idea that a passport from a second rate European country like Portugal is a superior travel document to that of an acknowledged future superpower like India? Can you please explain? Thank you. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s -- TUMCHER AXIRVAD ASSUM; DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
Re: [Goanet] Of Portuguese passports, migrants OCI status
Ralph, I don't think Mario would understand that anyone from India seeking an exit with a Portuguese passport is effectively gaining entry into the expanding EU which is larger than the USA, population wise. Many with Portugueuse passports make a bee-line for the UK where the economy is booming currently and there are jobs aplenty even though the accommodation situation is dire. Secondly, that an EU passport allows easy movement to North America and indeed many other parts of the English speaking world world and indeed back to India if necessary. That India is potentially a major economic power is generally accepted. However, like China, it has a major population problem and the competition currently for higher education, employment etc notwithstanding the corruption, is intense. In India there is probably jam tomorrow but not yet today. If Mario thinks there is so much potential in a future Indian giant, why isn't he returning from the USA as some successful Indians now do, and why did he leave India in the first place? Sadly, there is a tendency among some of those who have gone abroad and established themselves, to remove the ladder for others. Mario does not seem to know that he is indeed doing just this through his daft advice/comment to you. Please don't get fooled by Mario. At most times he seems not to know when he is fooling himself. Cornel - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Of Portuguese passports, migrants OCI status --- ralph rau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if considering staying on in India Goans should go ahead and get the Portuguese passport, which is a superior travel document, Mario asks: Wait a minute. Not so fast. Where did you get the idea that a passport from a second rate European country like Portugal is a superior travel document to that of an acknowledged future superpower like India? Can you please explain? Thank you. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
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--- ralph rau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if considering staying on in India Goans should go ahead and get the Portuguese passport, which is a superior travel document, Mario asks: Wait a minute. Not so fast. Where did you get the idea that a passport from a second rate European country like Portugal is a superior travel document to that of an acknowledged future superpower like India? Can you please explain? Thank you. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Of Portuguese passports, migrants OCI status
Having just returned from Portugal a first hand view from a relative who was born and bred there is Portugal is in a negative frame of mind with a low economic confidence index. The all powerful neighbour Spain threatens to overwhelm tiny Portugal with its 10 million population. Everything in Portugal comes with a Made in Spain label. The Portuguese economy is a prisoner of Spains. Economic migration has been a historical reality for the Portuguese who themselves flocked in large numbers to work in Goa, Mozambique Angola. The grass is often greener on the other side so the migration from Portugal to Canada is a reality.I personally know of a Portuguese qualified doctor who went through the ordeal of her studies again to get Canadian accreditation. Even if considering staying on in India Goans should go ahead and get the Portuguese passport, which is a superior travel document, and request the OCI (Overseas Citizen of India) sticker from India. The OCI sticker provides all the rights of an Indian citizen except electoral rights, government employment and the right to buy (existing ownership is OK) agricultural land. The OCI status provides the right of abode in India for life and no police reporting is required. Should one desire to revert to full citizenship (if needing to particpate in politics as voter or votee!) or buy land one can always re-apply for full citizenship. In conclusion Goans should get the Portuguese passport because it is a better travel document than the Indian passport but for emigrating Goans should consider Australia. If you can bear the cold then, and only then, consider Canada. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
