Re: Re: [Goanet] Our Language Saga, Vowel Wars.

2006-06-08 Thread Valmiki Faleiro

Many thanks, Eric, I simply love gifted books!
And don't worry about Cecil.  After his piece in
today's Gomantak Times in Goa, he's gonna be
minced, corned, whatever - before being tinned
in a dhobo.  Just you wait till irmao Alemao
gets a competent English-Konkani interpreter.
Even you will be inspired to write a new chapter
to the captioned title.  A new saga, in a way.
-Valmiki
P.S.: Wonder if Cecil has posted that piece on
Goa's ban on the celluloid version of Dan B.'s
DVC.  Stuff like that deserves a wider audience.

On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 eric pinto wrote :
  Will try and get you a book on language/scripts, dont tell 
Cecil !   Eric.


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Re: [Goanet] Our Language Saga, Vowel Wars.

2006-06-07 Thread Valmiki Faleiro

Since when have eminent cardiologists turned
linguists?  With such depth and humour, I've
noticed over some time?  Or am I mixing Yorrick's
bro. for someone else?  Whichever Eric, this IS
great.  Gimme more!

Two bits on spoken Konkani in Goa (as I hear it.)
It differs from one of Goa's river banks to the other.
In a place like Salcete, from one village boundary
to the other.  In AVC (Assolna-Velim-Cuncolim) from
one house door to another :-)
-Valmiki


On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 eric pinto wrote :
A  Barcelona Jesuit,  Pe. Jorda,  published  a  
Konkanni-English


I noticed a small change,
however - the language has acquired  a  shade of marathi.

they now have a new Goan bishop.  I hope the man is up to his
Devnagiri,  because those expat Goans of many generations live 
and breathe marathi.


  With Roman, we speak alphabetic, as opposed to the  
Amhara-Sanskrit syllabic,


  'Hav arr yoo, Pinta'  is a daily greeting at work from 
Elena, a Russian.  The Slavs use o when they mean to say a,  a 
mix that gets fatal at a late night Kosovo ethnic ambush: 
Muslims say Kosovo, it is Kosova to the Serbs.  We will never 
arrive at that.


eric


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[Goanet] Our Language Saga, Vowel Wars.

2006-06-07 Thread eric pinto
A  Barcelona Jesuit,  Pe. Jorda,  published  a  Konkanni-English in the 40's,  
perhaps a first for the language.  He was transferred to Brazil in the 50's, 
where he served out his teaching career.  I want to believe that he conducted 
Konkanni classes for children there, and he likely did !  Perhaps  Teotonio 
can tell us more.

I dined a few hours ago with a group of Hindu Goans  in New Jersey - 
mostly professionals, inmany different fields: not a word of english was heard 
in the room,  it  really was heart warming.  I noticed a small change,  
however - the language has acquired  a  shade of marathi.  One can attrbute it 
to the lifting of physical barriers with India and the permeation of the 
dominant culture of 200 million people on the other side of a very porous 
border.  I am acquainted that form of the language,  it was spoken by 
Malvan/Ratnagiri Catholic friends.  They are known as 'Bardeshkars' where they 
live,  and they now have a new Goan bishop.  I hope the man is up to his 
Devnagiri,  because those expat Goans of many generations live and breathe 
marathi.  They are loyal,  but insist on sending their children to the two 
Anglican  marathi language schools in Bombay,  The Robert Money, for boys,  
and  St. Columba School for Girls.

  Mannkikar was missing today: his usual jibe in college was let me  here 
you say conn, it's the waywe mispronounce kohn, the word for who; but it is 
true about every other word, for that matter, an inevitable consequence of the 
introduction of an alien script to a language.  With Roman, we speak 
alphabetic, as opposed to the  Amhara-Sanskrit syllabic,  so it rather pleases 
me to hear todays catholic young, raised on devnagiri, ask for chhe-kan when 
they mean chick-in !

  'Hav arr yoo, Pinta'  is a daily greeting at work from Elena, a 
Russian.  The Slavs use o when they mean to say a,  a mix that gets fatal at a 
late night Kosovo ethnic ambush: Muslims say Kosovo, it is Kosova to the 
Serbs.  We will never arrive at that,  but one can expect to be treated 
indifferently, at the least, if one insists on being different, and if i sound 
grotesque to my friend, i fully understand.   

eric.

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