Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Passport
--- Bernado Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gabe has provided an interesting link. The following > should be read with concern: > > "Jhaveri would prefer to stay in Hong Kong. It's > the only home she's ever known and she can't imagine > anyone living in Hong Kong for 30 years and then > moving back to India. But 1997 has her worried.' > Mario asks: > Maybe Jhaveri and the others can move to Goa and bring their famous enterprise with them:-)) This will also solve Elisabeth's concern of saving Goa from the Goans! >
Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Passport
Gabe has provided an interesting link. The following should be read with concern: "Jhaveri would prefer to stay in Hong Kong. It's the only home she's ever known and she can't imagine anyone living in Hong Kong for 30 years and then moving back to India. But 1997 has her worried.' BC > > > RESPONSE: Yes that is correct and neither the U.K. > nor India wants > themThe Rich Indians in H.K. like Murjani, will > no doubt get > residence anywhere, it is the working people who > might suffer! > Perhaps Tom D'Souza from H.K. would like to shed > further light on > this? Still 45 years or so away? > > I left H.K. in the mid 80's. Please read the link > below :- > http://www.journalism.sfsu.edu/www/pubs/prism/nov95/03.html > > -- > TUMCHER AXIRVAD ASSUM; > DEV BOREM KORUM. > > Gabe Menezes. > London, England > > ___ Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. http://www.yahoo.co.uk/blackberry
Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Passport
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=416 | -- --- sunil monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm a lay man a social worker, educate me on the > Portuguese History in Goa, not the Good things but > what according to you are their negative footprints > they have left in Goa which is not happening now. I > think we should start from here.(Now please don't > tell me to read it myself) > Mario replies: > Sunil, You are missing the point. I have nothing against the Portuguese people. In fact, I have praised them. This issue has nothing to do with what little good the Portuguese may have done in Goa, or what bad they did not do in comparison with the current batch of scoundrels that govern Goa. > There are some Goans, mostly Catholics, including you obviously, who preferred to be under the thumb of a European country, and can rationalize it, as you have done on the basis of security, or some other excuse. On the other hand, you are willing to overlook the fact that they acquired Goa by force, held it by force for 450 years, used it for their own benefit, underdeveloped it, converted most of our families by force, brutalized some of the population during the Inquisition, and pretended it was an overseas province well after the era of colonialism had been declared over by the rest of the civilized world. > Others like myself, prefer freedom and democracy and self rule, which is the inalienable right of every country. But freedom is never free and watching a democracy is like watching sausage being made. It takes a lot of work because you are now your own bosses, without some white men telling you what's good for everyone. > Beyond the philosophical difference of opinion, let us look at the reality of the situation. The fact is that you cannot have the Portuguese back any more. So, instead of looking forward and seeing what can be done to make Goa better - for example, by electing honest people instead of the raft of self-serving politicians that get re-elected every time - you and your ilk sit back and yearn for the "good old days" when we were ruled by white people and moan and complain about everything. In the meantime, nothing gets done to make Goa better. > I will close by recommending to you and everyone else the positive attitude of Bonefacio Lopes of Loutolim, who said on March 21 as follows: > "Please, let's stop criticising each other on the net, lets find solutions solutions, solutions to all the Goan problems, solutions of bringing the Goan youth in the right track, drugs, sex, crimes, diseases, prostitution etc are some of these factors where our Goan youth are driving towards, how best we can help these children. Portuguese passport or nationality is not the issue, what lies ahead for our GOAN YOUTH in their own GOA where most of the outsiders have postioned themselves very well. > How long we are going to run overseas for employment? Let's think for a while and assist each other for the betterment of every Goan" > To which I said, AMEN! >
Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Passport
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sidA6 | -- On 24/03/06, Bernado Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Another example are the > Indians in HK. Before the hand over in 1997 of that > British colony the Indians there were desperate to lay > a hand on Bridish nationality. Correct me if I am > wrong Gabe. > > BC RESPONSE: Yes that is correct and neither the U.K. nor India wants themThe Rich Indians in H.K. like Murjani, will no doubt get residence anywhere, it is the working people who might suffer! Perhaps Tom D'Souza from H.K. would like to shed further light on this? Still 45 years or so away? I left H.K. in the mid 80's. Please read the link below :- http://www.journalism.sfsu.edu/www/pubs/prism/nov95/03.html -- TUMCHER AXIRVAD ASSUM; DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Passport
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=416 | -- What about those who came with their Morris'es to Goa (India rule)? Are/were they illegal? I met a few if not many ex Uganda hindus in the UK. They call the UK their mutter land. Now they they want to buy homes in Goa because the BNP is hot on their heels. Besides I am told that India was never in the agenda of their return. Another example are the Indians in HK. Before the hand over in 1997 of that British colony the Indians there were desperate to lay a hand on Bridish nationality. Correct me if I am wrong Gabe. BC > > Dominic Says : > > Sorry ! Bernardo , just a slight correction here . > These Indians in Uganda , were holders of British > passports > and British Protectorate Id cards . > Many of them tried to come back to India the home > of their forefathers , > but were denied entry by the Indira Gandhi Govt . > > The UK was forced to accept them either because they > held > British Passports / Protectorate Documents . > > This in now way entitles them to call the UK their > motherland . > > regards > > Dominic > > ___ Yahoo! Photos NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Portuguese Passport
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=416 | -- Mario Just a few questions to Mario, how secured do you feel today in Goa as compared to the Portuguese rule . How secured are today's churches, priests, women, children, in today's Goa? We have been talking about this portuguese passport for a long time, but many have benefited by securing portuguese passport, not only Goans but many indians too, from Gujarat, daman, diu, and other parts of india and they acknowledge it with great respect. Unlike some of us we have been singing the same song that Portuguese damaged this and that , but what is happening now in Goa is worst , mainly because we are not reacting , we are still the peace loving people , fun frolic , easy going laid back, nothing to worry , we are not bothered if my Goan brother or sister needs help , we are not bothered how we can stay united. I'm a lay man a social worker, educate me on the Portuguese History in Goa, not the Good things but what according to you are their negative footprints they have left in Goa which is not happening now. I think we should start from here.(Now please don't tell me to read it myself) Cheers Sunil _ Sexy, sultry, sensuous. - see why Bipasha Basu is all that and more. Try MSN Search http://server1.msn.co.in/Profile/bipashabasu.asp
Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Passport
-- | Read V.M. de Malar's latest Column: | || | Politics of Destruction | || | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=416 | -- Thanks to Dominic for educating Bernardo, who works so hard at making his motherland look bad, and never lets mere facts get in his way. > Indira Gandhi was wrong, as she was in so many economic issues. India lost a number of high achievers and risk takers by her decision, and the UK, US, Canada, Australia and NZ benefited. > For those who are unaware, the hotel industry in the US is dominated by mostly east-African Gujaratis. They started with what were derisively called Patel Motels, and, within one generation, now control over 50% of the hotel industry in the US. > --- Dominic Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bernardo wrote: > > Those in the UK (hindustanis) did not want to come > to > India after Idi booted them out. So they opted for > their motherland the UK. > > Dominic Says : > > Sorry ! Bernardo , just a slight correction here . > These Indians in Uganda , were holders of British > passports > and British Protectorate Id cards . > Many of them tried to come back to India the home > of their forefathers , > but were denied entry by the Indira Gandhi Govt . >
Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Passport
Domnic and Bernardo Indians definitely do not refer to the UK as the motherland and have never done so. Indeed, most are embarrassed and cringe that the West Indians from the Carribean used such terminology when they arrived in the UK. Cornel DaCosta, London, UK. - Original Message - From: "Dominic Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 1:28 PM Subject: [Goanet] Portuguese Passport Bernardo wrote: Those in the UK (hindustanis) did not want to come to India after Idi booted them out. So they opted for their motherland the UK. Dominic Says : Sorry ! Bernardo , just a slight correction here . These Indians in Uganda , were holders of British passports and British Protectorate Id cards . Many of them tried to come back to India the home of their forefathers , but were denied entry by the Indira Gandhi Govt . The UK was forced to accept them either because they held British Passports / Protectorate Documents . This in now way entitles them to call the UK their motherland . regards Dominic
[Goanet] Portuguese Passport
Bernardo wrote: Those in the UK (hindustanis) did not want to come to India after Idi booted them out. So they opted for their motherland the UK. Dominic Says : Sorry ! Bernardo , just a slight correction here . These Indians in Uganda , were holders of British passports and British Protectorate Id cards . Many of them tried to come back to India the home of their forefathers , but were denied entry by the Indira Gandhi Govt . The UK was forced to accept them either because they held British Passports / Protectorate Documents . This in now way entitles them to call the UK their motherland . regards Dominic
Re: [Goanet] PORTUGUESE PASSPORT
Those in the UK (hindustanis) did not want to come to India after Idi booted them out. So they opted for their motherland the UK. BC === > Indians in Britain than Indians in Portugal, for > whatever reason. > > > However, to the rest of what you have written about > focusing on the future rather than the past, and > forging ahead, all I can say is, AMEN! > > > Mario > ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] PORTUGUESE PASSPORT
Bonefacio, If it will make you feel any better, the British, too, exploited India for their own benefit. In addition, they were not as nice as the Portuguese when it came to socializing with the locals. In fact, they were pretty bad and very patronizing. The Portuguese are unique among Europeans in having almost no discrimination based on race or skin color. > I don't know exactly how many British Citizenship applications are pending right now, versus Portuguese, but I'm sure it is safe to say that there are far more Indians in Britain than Indians in Portugal, for whatever reason. > However, to the rest of what you have written about focusing on the future rather than the past, and forging ahead, all I can say is, AMEN! > Mario > --- Bonefacio Lopes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why should there be an argument against portuguese? > Why can't there be an > argument against Britishers, How many applications > are pending in the > portuguese consulate in Goa , how many indians are > seeking British > Citizenship/Passport. > > Let's forget the past history , let's only keep it > as a history and we forge > ahead, training the Goan youth for a better > tommorrow, whoever wants to > migrate to portugal or elsewhere in the world let > them go ahead, let them see > the world too. >
[Goanet] PORTUGUESE PASSPORT
Why should there be an argument against portuguese? Why can't there be an argument against Britishers, How many applications are pending in the portuguese consulate in Goa , how many indians are seeking British Citizenship/Passport. Let's forget the past history , let's only keep it as a history and we forge ahead, training the Goan youth for a better tommorrow, whoever wants to migrate to portugal or elsewhere in the world let them go ahead, let them see the world too. We are not coming up with a solution to the problem but just arguing on views which we read on Goanet on this topic. Come up with solutions , what do we do now , what is the best solution to expedite all those pending applications (must be filled with dust)at the portuguese consulate in GOA . I had raised this issue as i am tired of going to the consulate and i thank Senhor Jose Colaco for his kind gesture in atleast stretching his hand of help in the best possible way. I dont know how far he will succeed but his only one word , asking me to furnish my details touched me . He may not succeed at all but i am not against it, atleast he tried . Please, let's stop criticising each other on the net, lets find solutions solutions solutions to all the Goan problems , solutions of bringing the Goan youth in the right track, drugs, sex, crimes , diseases, prostitution etc are some of these factors where our Goan youth are driving towards, how best we can help these children , Portuguese passport or nationality is not the issue , what lies ahead for our GOAN YOUTH in their own GOA where most of the outsiders have postioned themselves very well. How long we are going to run overseas for employment? Let's think for a while and assist each other for the betterment of every Goan Bonefacio Lopes Loutulim
[Goanet] Portuguese Passport and the Bonefacio Factor
I have to thank Senhor Jose Colaco for his good gesture. I for one never hated portugal nor an anti-portuguese. I am proud that my parents taught me to speak and write portuguese so also am proud to speak and write konkani. All those folks who claim to be allergic with the word PORTUGUESE, believe you in me, should the hassel at the portuguese consulate for securing a nationality be relaxed, wait and see the allergy will vanish and "ANTI" will be "FOR" We have seen how bollywood movies depict the british rule in India, how they mistreated indians, and the success of Divide and rule amongst Indians is very strong, yet indians have migrated and secured UK nationality, the same indians who speak ill about brits, yet they secured an UK citizenship and so forth. So why the fuss about Portugal and Portuguese? When tourists visit Goa and they are sightseeing, their admiration is on the portuguese architecture like churches, old mansion houses in chandor, Raia, loutulim and elsewhere, they are happy to know that Goans speak portuguese, and because our culture is totally different from the rest of India. This is speak from experience. Goans with or without the portuguese influence are well received, its only the few negative mentality who want to stir up the debate of being against Portugal. No one can remove the portuguese influence from GOA not yesterday, today nor tommorrow. It will remain forever , however much one can debate on this ANTI- PORTUGUESE issue its a total waste of time, make use of this time of flushing out those who vandalise the church , crosses and murder priests, those who stir up negative sentiments amongst GOAN CATHOLICS AND OTHER RELIGION. Then Hats off to you all. My last request to Senhor Jose Colaco, being a respectful Gentlemen, and very well read it does not go well with Polished personality like you to make statements of conditionality and time frame. Neither it goes well when you make statements which can degrade someone. Nonetheless i will send it before the time frame. Dev borem korum Bonefacio Loutulim
[Goanet] Portuguese Passport & the Bonefacio factor
Dear all, Just a quick note. Since my responses to Bonefacio, I have received 207 e-requests for assistance with this matter. Please excuse my inability to assist or even personally respond to 206 of those requests. Almost all have requested - that info be found about their application. Must reiterate that the Goa Consulate is the best place to check for those who have applied through Goa. I kow that information is all computerised for some time now. If there is info, you should be able to find out, the inherant problems with the Goa Consulate notwithstanding. The last time we were there, we had this Bostiao Xencor at the gate trying his stuff. I told him that Baksheesh was waiting for him in that big car waiting outside. I meant the dilapidated bus at that filthy thing called Bus Station. But who was waiting to clarify anything to him? That confused him alright and got him out of our faces. Inside, I saw only Gujarati and Hindi speaking fellas. Hm! There are several thousand nationality applications from India (from last reports) which are awaiting the normal civil service traction and the resolution of other issues. I suppose the BOGUS certificate issue hurts Goans. Even the British High Commission in India is reporting receipt of BOGUS certificates. Ah well I suppose we in Goa have to accept the cross to our reputation. My offer to Bonefacio was a singular offer. It was because I believe that something might be amiss there. Good luck to all those who are applying for regaining Portuguese Nationality. Did not realise that there were so many Goans on one Goan Network alone who were interested in regaining/applying for Portuguese nationality. From the tone of the discussions on GoaNet, I thought that folks here were anti-Portuguese, hated Portugal, could not stand the name Portugal etc. I guess I was wrong. I did not see any of the 207 stand up against the BOGUS anti Portugal stories that were circulated here. On the other hand, this "passport" stuff might just be an act of opportunism - to get abroad. I know quite a few who I would class as opportunists. They will use anything, anybody, any country (Portugal in this case) to achieve their personal goals. That is why I asked if it was Nationality or Passport that was being sought. Bonefacio, if you are not able to send that info within the next 14 days, I'll consider that you are not interested. As you probably know (or do not) I have a day job and a night one too. Neither of my jobs involve passport or nationality issues. Anyway ... all the best to all jc _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
[Goanet] PORTUGUESE PASSPORT
Could someone enlighten on the status of Portuguese Passports? I had applied in 1995 now nearing 51 years but till date no news,presume that i will get it and all the others waiting in vain like me either at the time we reach the death bed or should we say passport to the Grave. Such issues should be followed strictly by GOANET and all other writers and readers, we start an issue and if its not gaining enough popularity on the net we forget. Who can help all those Goans waiting in dark to secure the Portuguese Passport which is their right? Any one who can follow from Portugal if we give our file numbers ? Any Goan ready to take this challenge to help all those who could not afford to grease palms at the Portugese Consulate and hence are in a fix till date? Any one who can inform the readers that the consulate has finished issuing the passports ending until which year. Merely speaking portuguese and reading articles on the net in portuguese is not much of use, what could be appreciated is can those affluent and the so called aristocratic Portuguese speaking people help those Goans who do not know their status of their Portuguese Passports? Let's not just talk on this but act fast. Monteiro
[Goanet]Portuguese passport
On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 11:28:21 +0400, Ceazer Gomes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Date 8th March 2004 Dear Sir, I am from GOA, working in Abu Dhabi for the past 8 years as a Sacretary for the Construction Co. I would like to apply for the Portugusee passport and have no idea How to do that. Please give me some details how to obtain the same, for which I shall be greatfull to you. Awaiting reply as soon as possible. Ceazer Gomes Please reply to my hotmail ID [EMAIL PROTECTED] or Yahoo. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
