Re: [Goanet] Re: Goan 'Kokno'
| Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of | | Mapusa of the 1950s| | | | http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=426 | --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I did provide the official / cultural names for Goan > Hindus and Catholics. So we are NOT "Loosely > speaking we are all Koknos". We are all accurately > speaking "Konkans". I hope someone can clarify > this. > Mario observes: > Gilbert, After making a couple of definitive, closed-end, Ayatollah-like pronouncements, complete with upper-case letters, are you REALLY interested in a "clarification"? > Gilbert writes: > > Should I be apologizing to the existing "College of > ayatollahs"? Do I detect a little discomfort from > the grand ayatollah?:=)) > Mario observes: > No, you should be apologizing for calling Elisabeth a budding Ayatollah instead of rebutting her opinion with some facts and opinions of your own. > _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Goan 'Kokno'
A few enlightenments from Mario (as usual). Thanks for informing me that Afra Dias is a she and that's her real name. Now I can sleep better though her posts often keep me awake. :=)) I did provide the official / cultural names for Goan Hindus and Catholics. So we are NOT "Loosely speaking we are all Koknos". We are all accurately speaking "Konkans". I hope someone can clarify this. Should I be apologizing to the existing "College of ayatollahs"? Do I detect a little discomfort from the grand ayatollah?:=)) In case any poster wonders what's this? "Ayatollizing" is the twenty-first century variation of pontificating undertaken by ayatollahs who are generally self-appointed or & on occasion treated as such by their goanet devotees.:=)) "Ayatollizing" is not necessary the same as "Huttonizing". Remember the phrase, "When EF Hutton talks people listen". Regards, GL >-Mario Goveia Cheap shot, Gilbert. I think YOU need to apologise. What he was complaining about was the derogatory use of the term "Hindu boys" by Afra Dias in her gratuitous and snide references to Fr. Eusebio's associations. > Loosely speaking we are all Koknos. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Kudos Elisabeth, > You are on a fast-track to being an ayatollah. > Kind Regards, GL > > --- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote: > > I hope you are not apologising on my behalf atleast. If you take the word > "Konkno" out of the Konkani vocabulary, I'd be interested to know what you > would replace it by. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Re: Goan 'Kokno' used derogatorily
Santosh Helekar wrote:
> --- Peter D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 1. How reliable is proof when the only person
>> offering such proof has been known to modify quotes
> (in one instance actually inserting a word into quoted
>> text) before posting them in a public forum?
>
> Who is this person? What quoted text and insertion are
> you talking about? Are you who is known to have
> habitually tampered with quoted text, and deliberately
> inserted not one, but several words in it, trying to
> smear this person with garbage? Are you reliable?
It doesn't matter whether I am reliable or not, since I am not accusing
someone of masquerading as someone else--a rather serious allegation.
However, since you have publicly accused Chris Vaz of masquerading as
"Joy Braganza", and since you're the only one who allegedly has "proof"
of this, and if you must--O Bastion of Rectitude--smear someone for any
reason publicly, then the onus is upon you to prove your reliability
100%. I have proven to you on GoenchimXapotam that you inserted text
into a quote. Several GXers, and the archives, will confirm this.
In the present instance the only accusation I make against you
("namecalling", as you like to say) is to call you a bastion of
rectitude. I will attempt to prove it, if you insist. :-)
Peter
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[Goanet] Re: Goan 'Kokno' (Oscar C. Lobo)
Re: Goan 'Kokno' (Oscar C. Lobo) Thank you Elisabeth for peacefully ending the subject. Are you in Goa presently or in Diaspora? I thought one of our true Hindu Goan brothers would take up our cause and approach the Godekar's in Khorlim Mapusa (opposite Mapusa Police station) located at Khorlik bund. I am sure there must be some God fearing Goan Hindus who would like to take up the matter with Godekar's and show those Catholics who mock them derogatoriraly! Our field gave us 12 khandis annually. Liz - you have given birth to a great idea about construction on the land. It is on prime location in Mapusa. I never thought about it that way. How can I pursue this matter before Karma gets our Godekar's! I do not wish anything to happen to them. I am impressed to see that we have a Goan lady standing up to Goan man. Some of our Goan man do not like to be thought by ladies. When they are losing they call names. Poor souls they know very less of Goa and perhaps 'brainwashed' by their partners and the surroundings of their new homes wherever they are. Or they may be thinking they are all like George Bush. Go girl go - Get them all. Oscar C. Lobo Melbourne Victoria Australia. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Re: Goan 'Kokno' used derogatorily
Santosh Helekar wrote: > above poster derogatorily refers to as "defrocked", > has been conclusively shown to have originated from > the above poster's IP address. 1. How reliable is proof when the only person offering such proof has been known to modify quotes (in one instance actually inserting a word into quoted text) before posting them in a public forum? 2. Is the term "defrocked" derogatory? Peter _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
Re: [Goanet] Re: Goan 'Kokno'
Hi Oscar, Nice to meet an Aussie Goan here on Goanet. I don't think we've know each other because I didn't school in Goa. If it makes you feel any better,paddy field in Goa are virtually worthless, unless you are crooked enough to convert them into construction land, which you don't strike me as wanting to do. So rest easy! Besides let's just say Karma will get him. Elisabeth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Re: Goan 'Kokno'
Re: Goan Kokno - *Elizabeth Carvalho* Hello Elizabeth, I have read your interesting comments. I am not sure if you were one of my friends while I was studying in Goa!! We had a lot of friends in the neighbouring Convent schools, however, I cannot recollect your name! Please jog my memory By the way, I was apologising on behalf of my friends who still call Hindus 'Kokno' in a derogatory manner. As a matter of fact we should all be called 'Koknes' and this term should not be restricted to 'Hindus' only. Here is the rationale for saying what I say and this has been backed by one of my learned friends. Let's learn something here. Dictionaries are not always a good example of practical things. 'Konkno' has nothing to do with being a Hindu. A 'Konkno' is a person from the Konkan region of India. Some Goans do use the term in a derogatory sense as they do consider the non Goans who live in the Konkan region inferior to them. Poverty may be one of the factors that influenced this thinking. Other than that, all Goans are 'konknes' [plural]. I know of Goans who even now refer the term Konkno for Hindus particularly to those Hindus who took many of our fields. Soime Goans say "thea Konknianim amchem shehth Kharlem". Personally my relatives and I have lost a big paddy field in Khorlim to a Hindu called 'Godekar' in Khorlim, Mapusa. Many approaches to him and his children to pay us something for the illegal possession of the fields proved futile etc, I am not a happy chappy, yet I do not refer Godekar as 'Konknes' in a derogatory manner!. I hope the Godekar siblings or relatives or one of our Hindu friends in Goa, who read these exchanges will be able to relay this message to Godekar's in Khorlim at Khorlim Bandhar (opposite Mapusa Police station). (Alternatively, it would be great if one of our educated young Hindu brothers in Goa, could reach Godekar to see if they could intervene to settle our fields with conscience). Did you know that some Portuguese people used to refer/some still joke about Kokno's as "Corte o shendi e ponha-o no fogo".Do you know what this means?. Is apology removing a piece of our flesh? You make a mention of "Attitudes". This is a buz word in modern world. Attitudes are planted at home on concrete slabs and not on sand. If attitudes need to be changed then the crab mentality, knee jerk reaction, tall poppy syndrome and spanners at work need to be eradicated from our DNA composition. We need to be like frogs - move forward - and not crabs pull one another down. Intelligence has no time for Barazaranleo Ghozalli! Cheers Oscar C. Lobo Melbourne Victoria Australia. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Re: Goan 'Kokno' used derogatorily
In one of the articles relating to the murder of Father at Macazana posted on the GoaNet,One of the readers had written "What was the father doing with the HINDU BOYS at night". My objection was to the word HINDU used here which i feel is not in the right spirit. Few days back I posted one article about the sufferings myself and my catholic friend Mr Emanuel Carvalho had to suffer at the hands of KONKANI PROTAGONISTS AT AGACAIM AND VELSAO during KONKANI agitation in 1997. I avoided using Catholic word then.The reason for the article was that I do not want similar agitation against ANTI MOPA AIRPORT destructing common man's property. Manoj Raikar _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
Re: [Goanet] Re: Goan 'Kokno' used derogatorily
--- Elisabeth Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I fail to understand how Konkno can be interpreted > as a derogatory word. It means "Hindu" and nothing > more. > > Looking at the word closely, I can assume its > etmology comes from the word Konkan. > Mario observes: > Elisabeth, a) If "Kokno" comes from "Konkan" then are we all Koknos, not just Hindus? b) I'm not sure that "Kokno" is what Manoj found derogatory, or the context in which it was used. I say this because of his statement, "...i am a hindu (goan kokno)and when i read hindu word being used in a derogatory manner,i really feel bad." Maybe Manoj can clarify. > I would support any reasonable request or complaint by a non-Catholic Goanetter - with an emphasis on "reasonable". As far as I'm concerned I'd like to hear a lot more from them. This forum is not just for Catholics. > Elisabeth writes: > > I also don't understand how the word "b b**" was > thought to be derogatory. > Mario observes: > I did not take it as such, even though it was addressed primarily to me, a) because Carmo always followed it with "Do nothing" in parenthesis, and b) the description did not fit. > I think it was Jose who first objected to the term and caused the Goanet moderators to blink. > Elisabeth writes: > > I don't know about you Bardezcars but we Shastikar > use it as a team of total endearment. Ofcourse we > are a gay people. :))) > Mario observes: > As a Bardezcar, I had NO IDEA that Sashticars were "gay":-)) If I were you, I would reconsider the use of that word in it's popular modern usage. > _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
[Goanet] Re: Goan 'Kokno' used derogatorily
I fail to understand how Konkno can be interpreted as a derogatory word. It means "Hindu" and nothing more. Looking at the word closely, I can assume its etmology comes from the word Konkan. I also don't understand how the word "b b**" was thought to be derogatory. I don't know about you Bardezcars but we Shastikar use it as a team of total endearment. Ofcourse we are a gay people. :))) --- Manoj Ganpatrao Raikar wrote: > It lools like GoaNet is only for Catholic > subscibers,i am a hindu (goan kokno) > and when i read hindu word being used in a > derogatory manner,i really feel bad. >
