[Goanet] Re: Roman script Konkani
With the turn of the Konkani Romi script debate towards Marathi, I remember that during the agitation for Konkani a noted Marathi writer said that Konknni should be written in Marathi! Didn't know what he meant or if he was misquoted. With so much of Hinglish now in use in India, the day is not far when Konglish will be widely spoken. The trend has set in Goa. All Indian languages with have "lish" as a suffix. I remember couple of English plays where the Parsi characters spoke in mixed Gujarati-English sentences. The RSM may achieve its objectives, but will it give rise to more writers in this script? Those at the forefront of this movement would do well to answer this. Newspapers such a V.Ixtt and even magazines such as Gulab are not seen in too many Goan catholic households. There is a dearth of Konknni writers. Another movement to make RS writers of youngsters would be needed as a follow-up action. Eugene Correia Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet] Re: Roman script Konkani....correction
> copy of Konkani Ord Xastra (maybe my spelling is > incorrect) written by Prof. Antonio Fernandes I think the name of the booklet is Konknni Nad Xastra (definitely NOT Ord). I think it means, Rules of Konknni Grammar. Eugene Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [Goanet] Re: Roman script Konkani
--- Eugene Correia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: With the turn of the Konkani Romi script debate.The trend has set in Goa...The RSM may achieve its objectives, but will it give rise to more writers in this script?... Newspapers such a V.Ixtt and even magazines such as Gulab are not seen in too many Goan catholic households. There is a dearth of Konknni writers... Eugene Correia Comment: This is not a fair assessment of the ground realities.Many of us read V.Ixtt & Gulab,(some even on line). Some others love to criticize, maybe out of habit...To each his own. v.f. __ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
[Goanet] Re: Roman script Konkani.... new form
Eugene Correia wrote on 25.08.2005: > Even the late Prof. Lourdino Rodrigues advocated > devnagiri script, and the TSKK published his work in > that script. Jorge: Is it Prof. Lourdino Rodrigues or Prof. Lucio Rodrigues? Eugene: Prof Lourdino Rodrigues from Santa Cruz. To the best of my knowledge Prof. Lucio didn't write in Konkani. The Dalgado Konkani Academy had published a small booklet on Roman orthography many years ago. It's obvious now that this one is no longer relevant. I don't know how many netters have seen or have a copy of Konkani Ord Xastra (maybe my spelling is incorrect) written by Prof. Antonio Fernandes (not sure if I got the name correctly). He was called "professor" because, I believe, he taught at the Rachol Seminary. I had mentioned this to Tomazinho Cardozo during one few meetings at the NRI Meet at the Kala Academy. He wanted a copy of it. Unfortunately, the copy is at a different location than I am currently at. I think I also talked about the professore's small booklet with Fr. Mathew Almeida, when he came to Toronto, more in passing than its merits and demerits in the context of present-day Konkani. Since the structure of Roman script Konkani has undergone changes over the last decade or so, Konkani Ord Xastra would not meet the present qualifications. It could be dismissed as "old Konkani". The late Prof. George Mark Moraes paid a glowing tribute to Prof. Fernandes in an article in The Examiner under the heading, Konkani Man of Letters. I think I mentioned about Prof. Fernandes before on this forum. I had requested his daughter to get his works published, but she said that her brother was in possession of his papers. It's hard sometimes to convince people that publishing a learned man's material for the common good of the community is better than hanging on to such works for whatever personal reasons. In the context of the new form of Roman script Konkani, I would have loved to hear the views of Prof. Olivinho Gomes. Has any journalist approached him for his views? If not, could some of the journos on this forum get Prof. Gomes to talk. It would be nice to have an all-round debate on the subject that's hot issue now. Eugene Correia Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet] Re: Roman script Konkani... in new form
Since the Dalgado Konkani Academy hasn't said anything regarding the new Roman Konkani script, it's fair to assure the body has accepted the script. Like Fred, I too am totally taken by surprise by TSKK's about turn or rather a change in direction, from first pushing from a devnagiri script to now promoting the new Roman Konkani script. Even the late Prof. Lourdino Rodrigues advocated devnagiri script, and the TSKK published his work in that script. I am not sure if the learned professor's full dictonary has been published. TSKK's earlier thrust for devnagiri was probably because the devnagiri script captured the phonetics well. If the same effect is available through the two added symbols to the Roman script it may be wise to follow this script. Will Goem be written as Gohy? (I tried to put the symbol over the letter "o", but can't in plain text. I copied from Microsoft World, but the result is what I got above). Would this new script make Shenoi Goembab turn in his grave? Or, could his book, The Triumph of Konkani, renamed as The Crimp of Konkani? Eugene Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet] Re: Roman script Konkani... in new form
This new Roman script Konkani is bizarre. It really appears like shooting oneself in the foot. Mere phonetics should not drive one to such absurdities; after all, we read and write English accurately enough in Roman script, even though it is far from phonetic. (George Bernard Shaw once suggested that 'fish' be spelt as 'ghoti', with the 'gh' pronounced as in 'rough', the 'o' pronounced as in 'women' and the 'ti' pronounced as in motion!) If one is serious about popularising Roman script Konkani, such stuff should be avoided. Experience with diacritics and unconventional marks is that these things only cause confusion in the minds of the average reader; as such, they are best reserved for academic journals, etc. Look at the way Hindi is written in Roman script (in newspapers, magazines, etc. there are always a few Hindi words nowadays). Nobody who knows Hindi (and can read Roman script) has the slightest difficulty in understanding them. What is wrong with Roman Konkani as it is currently written? I am not a native Konkani speaker, but with some practice have never had any particular difficulty in reading Roman Konkani (though understanding it is more difficult, but then I have that problem with Devanagari Konkani as well). When getting Roman Konkani accepted is such a big struggle in itself, this really seems to be creating an additional unnecessary handicap, like tying heavy weights round one's legs before starting to scale a mountain. -- Question everything - Karl Marx
Re: [Goanet] Re: Roman script Konkani... in new form
Not to be gofhy please install PT (Portuguese) in your system to get the ortography. B. Colaco , > renamed as The Crimp of Konkani? > > Eugene > > > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Re: Roman script Konkani... in new form
Dear Eugene, TSKK just by introducing two symbols namely ^ (or inverted V) and ~ could achieve more than 90% accuracy in writing Konkani as it is pronounced. Accuracy in Devnagiri or other scripts are less than 70%. As per the new method Goem will be written as Goye~ and Goim will be written as Go~y Goiam will be written as Go~ya~ Goimkar will be written as Go~ykar Note that ~ is used for the nasal sound which is also the symbol in linguistics. This symbol is awailable as the first key below the escape key. ^ (or inverted V) Other symbols introduced by TSKK is for the vowel short A which is represented by 'o' in current roman script. This symbol is awailable at the seventh position after the symbol ~ which is also used for the number 6. Please click here to check out how this character is represented while printing by clicking the link http://www.konkanifoundation.com/konknni.gif Dev Borem Korum, Ancy Ancy Salvadore D'Souza, Paladka Url: http://www.konkanifoundation.com/ancy Photographs: http://ancy.fotopic.net/list_collections.php On 8/25/05, Eugene Correia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since the Dalgado Konkani Academy hasn't said anything > regarding the new Roman Konkani script, it's fair to > assure the body has accepted the script. > Like Fred, I too am totally taken by surprise by > TSKK's about turn or rather a change in direction, > from first pushing from a devnagiri script to now > promoting the new Roman Konkani script. > Even the late Prof. Lourdino Rodrigues advocated > devnagiri script, and the TSKK published his work in > that script. I am not sure if the learned professor's > full dictonary has been published. > TSKK's earlier thrust for devnagiri was probably > because the devnagiri script captured the phonetics > well. If the same effect is available through the two > added symbols to the Roman script it may be wise to > follow this script. > Will Goem be written as Goƒhy? (I tried to put the > symbol over the letter "o", but can't in plain text. I > copied from Microsoft World, but the result is what I > got above). > Would this new script make Shenoi Goembab turn in his > grave? Or, could his book, The Triumph of Konkani, > renamed as The Crimp of Konkani? > > Eugene > > > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > --
Re: [Goanet] Re: Roman script Konkani... in new form
Eugene Correia wrote on 25.08.2005: > Even the late Prof. Lourdino Rodrigues advocated > devnagiri script, and the TSKK published his work in > that script. Jorge: Is it Prof. Lourdino Rodrigues or Prof. Lucio Rodrigues? Eugene: > Will Goem be written as Gofhy? (I tried to put the > symbol over the letter "o", but can't in plain text. I > copied from Microsoft World, but the result is what I > got above). Jorge: I suppose it should be "Goe~" or "Go~y". What do you say, Fred? You seem to have a copy of TSKK's new orthography book, so you should be in a position to elucidate. Eugene: > Would this new script make Shenoi Goembab turn in his > grave? Or, could his book, The Triumph of Konkani, > renamed as The Crimp of Konkani? Jorge: Not necessarily. Goembab himself wrote books in Roman script. Matthew Almeida s.j. tells us in a recent article in Panjim's "Herald": "Shanai Gõibab wrote his first book in Devanagari only in 1910. Before that Gõibab himself wrote 13 books in Roman script, the last two of them were later put into Devanagari". (I hope everybody gets correctly on their monitors the tildes which I have used). Jorge
