Re: [Goanet] TIATRO SORO!

2005-09-20 Thread Bernado Colaco
Tumchem ghor safi kor poilem. Are you going to blame
the bamons and Portuguese for your mob culture? I have
come across cases where even liberation and education
has not helped.

B. Colaço 



 Undrachea ragan ghorak uzo lainakat!
 
 Moi-mogan,
 Domnic Fernandes
 Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA
 



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RE: [Goanet] TIATRO SORO!

2005-09-19 Thread Alfred de Tavares

Moi mogal Doming-ban,

Tuen ekdom borem 'respost' dil'lam.

Foreponin, soro nastanam tiatr khosoch fullonam.

Maka ugddas ha, supurlo astana, manadic Minguel Rod,
stagi-pattlean mujea hatan feniecho copito diun maka
sangtana: Babba, ek gott geun matvan guelear chodd boro
anstoloi.

I did while he belted out: Amcho Goencho soro...khotai
maka boro...

Aodanch Tumcho,
Alfred


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Subject: [Goanet] TIATRO  SORO!
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:39:53 -0400

Undrachea ragan ghorak uzo lainakat!

Moi-mogan,
Domnic Fernandes
Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA

Lino Bab,
Kestanvam will be more
how about a Kuwaiti Police at the gate?
Announce on the ads in advance..

Regards
Edward Verdes

From: lino dourado
It is high time the organizers of tiatr/dances and other shows check the
audience/guest at the entry point with breathaliser (a device which tests 
the

amount of alcohol in a person's breath) to avoid the kestanvam

Lino Dourado

A. Veronica Fernandes wrote:

Even in Kuwait we have too much of “Bebdepon” amongst the members of 
audience.
These bebdes are creating nuisance and because of this type of nuisance 
Kuwait

Church Hall was stopped for tiatros when one Bebdo under the influence
of “soro” hit somebody in the hall.







[Goanet] TIATRO SORO!

2005-09-19 Thread domnic fernandes
Undrachea ragan ghorak uzo lainakat!

Moi-mogan,
Domnic Fernandes
Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA

Lino Bab,
Kestanvam will be more
how about a Kuwaiti Police at the gate?
Announce on the ads in advance..

Regards
Edward Verdes

From: lino dourado
It is high time the organizers of tiatr/dances and other shows check the 
audience/guest at the entry point with breathaliser (a device which tests the
amount of alcohol in a person's breath) to avoid the kestanvam

Lino Dourado

A. Veronica Fernandes wrote:

Even in Kuwait we have too much of “Bebdepon” amongst the members of audience. 
These bebdes are creating nuisance and because of this type of nuisance Kuwait
Church Hall was stopped for tiatros when one Bebdo under the influence 
of “soro” hit somebody in the hall.



Re: [Goanet] TIATRO SORO.

2005-09-19 Thread Bernado Colaco
Is this problem (drink and watch teatro)because of the
bamon hold on other Goans. Or the fault of the
Portuguese? 

B. Colaço


 Lino Bab,
 Kestanvam will be more
  Regards
 Edward Verdes
 
 From: lino dourado
in a person's breath) to avoid the
 kestanvam
 
 Lino Dourado
 
 




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Re: [Goanet] TIATRO SORO.

2005-09-19 Thread Edward Verdes
Lino Bab,
Kestanvam will be more
how about a Kuwaiti Police at the gate?
Announce on the ads in advance..

Regards
Edward Verdes

From: lino dourado
It is high time the organizers of tiatr/dances and
other shows check the audience/guest at the entry
point with breathaliser (a device which tests the
amount of alcohol in a person's breath) to avoid the
kestanvam

Lino Dourado




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Re: [Goanet] TIATRO SORO.

2005-09-19 Thread lino dourado
 A. Veronica Fernandes wrote:

Even in Kuwait we have too much of “Bebdepon” amongst
the members of audience. These bebdes are creating
nuisance and because of this type of nuisance Kuwait
Church Hall was stopped for tiatros when one Bebdo 
under the influence of “soro” hit somebody in the
hall.
  ***

It is high time the organizers of tiatr/dances and
other shows check the audience/guest at the entry
point with breathaliser (a device which tests the
amount of alcohol in a person's breath) to avoid the
kestanvam 

Lino Dourado  




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[Goanet] TIATRO SORO.

2005-09-17 Thread A. Veronica Fernandes

TIATRO  SORO.

When the first Tiatro “Italian Bhurgo” was staged in Bombay on 17th April 
1892 by the founder of Tiatro, Mr. Lucasinho Ribeiro from Assagao, Bardez, 
Goa, his dream was to make this art as a great weapon for the benefit of 
Goan community in particular and Konkani in general.  During those early 
days this art was not patronized by “hoi polloi” audience.  Even the 
artistes were of higher grade in their social and otherwise standings.  I 
had an opportunity to meet and talk to one of the descendants of Lucashinho 
Ribeiro who freely expressed that Lucasinho was very proud after the success 
of creating Konkani Tiatro and had great hope that this beautiful art would 
be handled by the artistes of calibre and also attended by the audience of 
calibre.  But gradually this art went into the hands of some disgraceful 
artistes whom once at “Khursachea Moidanar” in Bombay, Joao Agostinho 
Fernandes whom we call “Pai Tiatristancho” called as “Rostad” because Mr. 
Fernandes agonizingly lamented the dirtiness and ugliness these few 
tiatrists promoted from the stage.  The word Rostad is not mine but it came 
from the mouth of Joao Agostinho Fernandes. In fact for many years tiatro 
not only remained into the hands of bad people but even the audience was 
bad.  Precisely because of this, the elite, decent and people of character 
refused to patronize this beautiful art.  I have seen with my own eyes as a 
small boy in our village and elsewhere while interacting with tiatrists of 
yesteryears how filthy and dirty and drunkards some of them were.  The 
“soro” they were drinking before and during the tiatro was worst besides in 
their day to day life “soro” was their tonic and womanizing was their forte. 
Concubinage was the hallmark of some of them. Forgetfulness and neglect of 
their wives and children was their routine. If it was not for their 
excessive “soro”, great tiatrist Minguel Rod would have been writing so much 
and so beautiful.  Oh! What a tragedy that this man died at so early age due 
to excessive “soro” and thereby denied us Goans and Konkani lovers so much 
of beautiful on Konkani stage.  Where else and when we can get another 
Minguel Rod?  Since his death, no tiatrist can pen down as beautiful tiatros 
as he used to with most sorrowful “cantos” like “Motets”.  One day I was 
told by Anjuna Church Choir Master (Mistir) the late Mr. Pedrinho, while I 
was learning Violin from him in early sixties that once during Lent he 
played instead of Motet the tune of Minguel Rod’s “Canto” from his most 
memorable tiatro “Ghorib Sezari”. What a masterpiece it was.  As a small boy 
even I cried along with elders while Miss Julie rendered this canto.  Soro 
has destroyed best of Goan Konkani talent.  What about Champion Peter?  Was 
it not excessive “Soro” that killed him?  Can anyone after him play the role 
of traditional Goan Hindu Goldsmith?  It was a pity that no saner Goan not 
even from Church circle guided these giants into decency.  I think our 
elders of those days and society as a whole failed in their mission of 
guiding people of talent in right direction.


During those days regretfully Tiatro was patronized by lower and middle 
class of Goans, upper strata of Goans was rarely attending this beautiful 
art.  One of the reasons was because of the disgracefulness displayed in 
action and in expressions by the artistes from the stage and secondly 
because of the rubbish Goans among the audience.  Who are these rubbish 
Goans?  They are all “Bebdes”, drunk to the brim and in readiness to create 
fights in the hall.  Many times during those days “Bebde” audience used to 
fight and disturb the atmosphere in the hall or “mattou”.  I saw in 1960 for 
one tiatro at Mapusa during the feast of Milagres Saibinn, how the then 
terror Policeman,  “Cabo” Sukddo at the entrance inside the hall holding his 
Revolver and threatening the rowdies mostly the Bebdes that he will shoot 
them if they don’t maintain discipline inside. But Bebdo is a Bebdo.  When 
he is drunk he is animal or worst than animal.  These type of animals are 
bringing bad name to Tiatro which is a beautiful art but unfortunately 
because of such Bebdes many time Tiatros are interrupted and stopped. 
Unfortunately, when this topic of Bebde audience is raised many of the other 
Bebdes identify themselves with their bebde brothers and hurl accusations on 
me for raising this issue openly.  Ultimately a bebdo will support another 
bebdo.  This is the tragedy.  In late sixties Kid Boxer was staging Minguel 
Rod's tiatro Lemddo Santan at Panjim.  Suddenly due to delay in starting 
the tiatro, some misunderstanding occurred between a section of the audience 
and organisers and there was uproar in the hall.  Most of the rowdies fully 
drunk, in this commotion, got up and walked away with the Chairs on which 
they were seated. In this situation the director was forced to stop the 
staging of that tiatro and the organisers suffered heavy