[Goanet]Australian/Goan Catholic wedding questions
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear Chris, What your Goan fiancee proposes is in order. I presume she is a catholic. One of the spouses has to be for a catholic wedding or nuptial service. It is possible to have a registry marriage[ in Goa it is under the Special Marriage Act] that is valid in Courts of law and follow it with a canonical or church marriage. You will have to go through the process of reading the wedding bands[notices] in the native parish of your fiancee or get a waiver from the Bishop/parish priest in Goa. She will also need to know her catechism[and may be pass a oral test]. Her relatives in Goa could help in moving things like the 'bands'. The Christian marriage is regarded as sacrament, while the non-Christian marriage is not. This point is debatable and some Catholic theologians do not like the distinction, but it is still held. If your fiancee holds the traditional catholic view, preganancy will be a post-nuptial affair. The registry marriage will be for the citizenship, visa and other facilities. Preganancy before nuptials is not common..and is obviously frowned upon by the church, which likes to be seen as pro-active rather than as a 'regularising' body. The option of 'canonical marrige' is available in Goa...after due notice to the civil registrar of marriages, who delegates his powers to the officiating priest to record the marriage and send it to the registry. Chris Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I am an Australian man, happily engaged to a Goan woman, both living in Australia. We plan to marry next year in Goa. My fiancee wants to get married in Australia this year, in a registry office, and then have our proper church wedding in Goa next year. As far as she is concerned, the registry office marriage means nothing, and we won't be married in the eyes of God until our church wedding, but it will simplify the legal aspects of planning a wedding in Goa. My mother has made some enquiries through my local parish, and I believe that her enquiry made it to the bishop of Goa who clearly said that one cannot marry twice, even if the first is in a legal office and not a church. I don't want to do deceive the church or the law. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Do not go by hearsay; contact the Bishop's office [EMAIL PROTECTED] or the relevant parish priest. The Goa church even has a website, but I doubt this info is placed there. Goa is a major wedding destination. If you book a proper wedding venue, they might help you to expedite the process. Viva Goa. Miguel
Re: [Goanet]Australian/Goan Catholic wedding questions
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear Mr Correia, We stand by our views. It could have been a coincidence in your case. Terence Mazarelo PRESIDENT SGPIAG [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mumbai.sancharnet.in/manojnd HELPLINE 24 hrs 9822158584 Tel +91 832 2731373 --- Salus Correia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I beg to differ! The dates on both the church certificate and civil certificate are the same, provided the marriage was a church wedding presided over by a priest, and registered as per the current practice. I have before me both my certificates and they both bear the same date of marriage. Message: 3 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:25:03 +0100 (BST) From: President\(sgpiag\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]Australian/Goan Catholic wedding questions To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lawrence Rodrigues wrote: QUESTION Could somebody who has been married in Goa, please confirm whether the *date of marriage* on the Marriage certificate issued by the Civil Registrar in Goa is the same as recorded in the Church certificate, please? ANSWER The dates do differ. For that matter whether it is the Catholic Hindu or Muslim marriage the dates on the Cil Registry differ from the respective religious records. Terence Mazarelo PRESIDENT SGPIAG [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mumbai.sancharnet.in/manojnd HELPLINE 24 hrs 9822158584 Tel +91 832 2731373 Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony
[Goanet]Australian/Goan Catholic wedding questions
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## I beg to differ! The dates on both the church certificate and civil certificate are the same, provided the marriage was a church wedding presided over by a priest, and registered as per the current practice. I have before me both my certificates and they both bear the same date of marriage. Message: 3 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:25:03 +0100 (BST) From: President\(sgpiag\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]Australian/Goan Catholic wedding questions To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lawrence Rodrigues wrote: QUESTION Could somebody who has been married in Goa, please confirm whether the *date of marriage* on the Marriage certificate issued by the Civil Registrar in Goa is the same as recorded in the Church certificate, please? ANSWER The dates do differ. For that matter whether it is the Catholic Hindu or Muslim marriage the dates on the Cil Registry differ from the respective religious records. Terence Mazarelo PRESIDENT SGPIAG [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mumbai.sancharnet.in/manojnd HELPLINE 24 hrs 9822158584 Tel +91 832 2731373
Re: [Goanet]Australian/Goan Catholic wedding questions
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Lawrence Rodrigues wrote: QUESTION Could somebody who has been married in Goa, please confirm whether the *date of marriage* on the Marriage certificate issued by the Civil Registrar in Goa is the same as recorded in the Church certificate, please? ANSWER The dates do differ. For that matter whether it is the Catholic Hindu or Muslim marriage the dates on the Cil Registry differ from the respective religious records. Terence Mazarelo PRESIDENT SGPIAG [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mumbai.sancharnet.in/manojnd HELPLINE 24 hrs 9822158584 Tel +91 832 2731373 Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony
[Goanet]Australian/Goan Catholic wedding questions
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## (Posting again as the earlier post thru http://news.gmane.org/gmane.culture.region.india.goa seems to have got lost in cyberspace) :-)) Alfred de Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All over the world where Roman canon law, or derivatives thereof, is followed, a marriage to be legally obtaining, has to be civilly registered irrespective of its being blessed in Church, Temple or Mosque. Beg to differ, Alfred. In India (excluding Goa, AFAIK), for Catholic marriages, the Church is also recognised as the *Civil Registrar* There is no need to be *married* at the State Civil Registrar's Office. Whether the civil aspect is carried out in one country and the religious one in another creates noproblem. I was married to my Swedish wife, Eva, in 1973, civilly in Stockholm, 1973 and a couple of years later, in our village church in Loutulim, Goa. What then is your *marriage date*? If you had a child before the *church marriage* would that child be considered legitimate? Do believe that Chris' question: Although the registry office marriage might mean nothing to her, in Australia (and all other places that I know of) the church recognises this marriage, and so in the eyes of God we are already married (and cannot subsequently get married in a church - except for just a renewal of vows). So I don't understand how we could get married again in Goa, and it mean anything. She tells me that she knows many people who have done this, but it doesn't make sense to me. is about having *two* marriage dates. Believe that is the dilemma. Could somebody who has been married in Goa, please confirm whether the *date of marriage* on the Marriage certificate issued by the Civil Registrar in Goa is the same as recorded in the Church certificate, please? Lawrence -
RE: [Goanet]Australian/Goan Catholic wedding questions
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## My dear Chris, I feel your apprehensions about atempting duality in legal marital status are uncalled for. All over the world where Roman canon law, or derivatives thereof, is followed, a marriage to be legally obtaining, has to be civilly registered irrespective of its being blessed in Church, Temple or Mosque. That applies in Australia as well as anywhere else. Whether the civil aspect is carried out in one country and the religious one in another creates noproblem. I was married to my Swedish wife, Eva, in 1973, civilly in Stockholm, 1973 and a couple of years later, in our village church in Loutulim, Goa. Same with my daughter, Maura, in 2000. She married, Francesco, an Italian in Milan, civilly, in summer and the church ceremony was completed, also in Loutulim in December. The procedure, for the religious part, we followed: informed our parish priest in Stockholm,in writing about the intended marriage, The application was forwarded to, by the parish, to the Bishop in Stockholm. Upon Swedish episcopal ratification the documents were forwarded, by the Sotockholm diocese to the bishop's office in Panjim. And we colloected them, duly stamped, in Goa. No hitch ay all. From: Chris Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]Australian/Goan Catholic wedding questions Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:16:23 +0530 Dear folks, I am an Australian man, happily engaged to a Goan woman, both living in Australia. We plan to marry next year in Goa. My fiancee wants to get married in Australia this year, in a registry office, and then have our proper church wedding in Goa next year. As far as she is concerned, the registry office marriage means nothing, and we won't be married in the eyes of God until our church wedding, but it will simplify the legal aspects of planning a wedding in Goa. Although the registry office marriage might mean nothing to her, in Australia (and all other places that I know of) the church recognises this marriage, and so in the eyes of God we are already married (and cannot subsequently get married in a church - except for just a renewal of vows). So I don't understand how we could get married again in Goa, and it mean anything. She tells me that she knows many people who have done this, but it doesn't make sense to me. My mother has made some enquiries through my local parish, and I believe that her enquiry made it to the bishop of Goa who clearly said that one cannot marry twice, even if the first is in a legal office and not a church. I don't want to do deceive the church or the law. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards, C _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: [Goanet]Australian/Goan Catholic wedding questions
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear Mr Hughes May we invite your kind attention to the Goa Government website www.goagovt.nic.in then click on Citizens Charter and go to Registration Department you have the information you require As regards the opinion of the Church in Goa may we suggest you mail your query to Ecclesiastical Tribunal at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a copy marked to archbishop of Goa Daman Archdiocese. Should you still have further queries feel free to write back to us. We assure you the needed guidance to marital bliss For SOUTH GOA PUBLIC INTEREST ACTION GROUP Terence Mazarelo PRESIDENT (SGPIAG) [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit our weblink http://mumbai.sancharnet.in/manojnd +91 832 272 731373 HELPLINE (24 hrs) 9822158584 *** Chris Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear folks, I am an Australian man, happily engaged to a Goan woman, both living in Australia. We plan to marry next year in Goa. My fiancee wants to get married in Australia this year, in a registry office, and then have our proper church wedding in Goa next year. As far as she is concerned, the registry office marriage means nothing, and we won't be married in the eyes of God until our church wedding, but it will simplify the legal aspects of planning a wedding in Goa. Although the registry office marriage might mean nothing to her, in Australia (and all other places that I know of) the church recognises this marriage, and so in the eyes of God we are already married (and cannot subsequently get married in a church - except for just a renewal of vows). So I don't understand how we could get married again in Goa, and it mean anything. She tells me that she knows many people who have done this, but it doesn't make sense to me. My mother has made some enquiries through my local parish, and I believe that her enquiry made it to the bishop of Goa who clearly said that one cannot marry twice, even if the first is in a legal office and not a church. I don't want to do deceive the church or the law. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards, C ** Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://yahoo.shaadi.com/india-matrimony
[Goanet]Australian/Goan Catholic wedding questions
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear folks, I am an Australian man, happily engaged to a Goan woman, both living in Australia. We plan to marry next year in Goa. My fiancee wants to get married in Australia this year, in a registry office, and then have our proper church wedding in Goa next year. As far as she is concerned, the registry office marriage means nothing, and we won't be married in the eyes of God until our church wedding, but it will simplify the legal aspects of planning a wedding in Goa. Although the registry office marriage might mean nothing to her, in Australia (and all other places that I know of) the church recognises this marriage, and so in the eyes of God we are already married (and cannot subsequently get married in a church - except for just a renewal of vows). So I don't understand how we could get married again in Goa, and it mean anything. She tells me that she knows many people who have done this, but it doesn't make sense to me. My mother has made some enquiries through my local parish, and I believe that her enquiry made it to the bishop of Goa who clearly said that one cannot marry twice, even if the first is in a legal office and not a church. I don't want to do deceive the church or the law. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards, C
